Travel › Re: Give Birth In USA: Cost And Procedures Part 5 by MPhil: 1:35pm On Dec 11, 2016 |
Greetings to everyone. I should have come back earlier to share but somehow I did not. Anyway I am doing that now. For those who can’t remember or perhaps do not know at all, this moniker had earlier dropped an album which you can reference on page 299 of Part 4. I think every track was a hit back to back. DW and I have successfully completed our missionary journey to the Glory of God. We got back few weeks now and it’s time to share. I will post thus: Introduction: Port Health, Part 1 - ‘POE Experience’, Part 2 - ‘Others’ (which include stories on Flights- local and international, Accommodation, Documentation – US passport, baby visa and Bills).
Introduction: Port Health
We were flying at 35weeks 3days and got Doctor’s Fit to Fly stating the same gestation age. At the counter, Lufthansa asked us to go to Port Health to get clearance from them. We did. Official cost is 1500 naira.
PART 1 – POE EXPERIENCE
We traveled to the US without holding any dollars in cash. We didn’t want to buy dollars at the cut throat cost at black market. This was exactly what I was going to tell them at POE. If you check my previous post, you will see how we intended to get dollars for our bills. At the time we traveled, we were going to depend solely on 4 ATM naira debit cards between DW and I and across 3 banks. The rate was higher than official rate but much less than black market. This was not to be as we eventually used the services of Moneygram, a 4th Nigerian bank, and requested domiciliary account transfers in the course of our stay in the US. I didn’t take my dollar card and as is typical with uncertainties in Nigeria, soon after we traveled, ATM withdrawals from naira debit cards were capped at $100 per month and POS transactions capped at $300 per month down from $1000 a month. Eventually, ATM withdrawals were suspended as you know. In between, Form A had not been processed by the bank at the time we left. It therefore meant we also did not have receipts to prove to the CBP Officer that since we did not have any cash on us, at least we had prepaid our medical bills. I called the US to try to pay over the phone at the airport on day of travel but it kept on declining. I later learnt CBN issued that directive to prevent debit/credit card fraud. I don’t know if it was also applicable to dollar denominated cards. At the stopover in Frankfurt, we were scared silly because of the possible consequences of not holding cash or having receipts at POE. I called Nigeria via whatsapp with free wifi in Frankfurt and someone close to me after telling her the risk we were taking said ‘maybe you guys should just come back to Nigeria. You can sell your ticket from Frankfurt to New York and come back’. That’s how high the tension was.
Fastforward. Landed in JFK in the evening. I requested that DW bring out from her handbag our bottles of anointing oil and put a little on her head. She did and I did exactly same. At this point, I had put myself together and was somewhat confident. We were directed to a CBP Officer. Oh, i forgot to mention that I did not even print a recent account statement before travel to show at POE. So our situation was: no cash; no receipts; and no bank statement. Our only strategy was to log into our accounts and show them our live account balances. After doing self-help at the kiosk, we were directed to a CBP Officer and the following ensued:
We- Goodevening
CBP – Goodevening
We – (without him asking, I pass 2 passports to him)
CBP – (Looks at DW and says) Are you together?
We- Yes
CBP – What are you here for?
Me – Childbirth and vacation
CBP – Why the US?
Me – Because of the better medical care and the educational opportunities that come with giving birth here in the US.
CBP – How much cash do you have?
Me – No cash. Just debit cards
CBP – How much is in your cards?
We - Told him without any specifics... ‘About....thousand dollars’
CBP – How long are you staying?
We – 8 weeks
CBP – (He had brought out his stamp to stamp us in when he heard 8 weeks)..Hmm...You said childbirth?
We – Yes Sir
CBP – Hold on a second ( he walks in to speak with whom I assume was his supervisor. The supervisor was looking at us through the glass window while responding to whatever question the CBP officer that attended to us asked him. This took about a minute. Then here came the CBP officer)
CBP – Did you tell them at the embassy that you are coming here to give birth?
We – Yes we did
CBP – Really?
We – Sure
CBP – (smiling...) So you went to the embassy and told them you are coming here to give birth and acquire citizenship for your child and they gave you the visa?
We – Yes Sir
CBP – ‘Meeehhhnnn.... I love my country’ (& he started laughing)
CBP – (By this time he was stamping us in and wrote B2 in our passports) Okay guys! Welcome to America!!! I wish you all the best. Have lots of fun. (He said these with a funny excitement. DW and I giggled with the way he said it.)
We – Thank you. We will ( Off we went)
Time taken was about 5 minutes including time he took with his supervisor. We were stamped in for 6 months till March 2017.
As we were walking to get baggage, DW kept asking me ‘is that all? I can’t believe this ’. At a point, I said ‘Please let’s leave this place before CBP calls us back and say they forgot something’. Lol
After getting our luggage, at the final exit, all passengers were asked to show passport and tickets. DW and I got to our turn and the following ensued:
Officer – Hello...Passports...(looks at quantity of luggage with us and asks...) Sir, are you based in the United States?
Me – No
Officer – Okay Sir...(writes ‘A’ on a form and says) Sir, can you take this there? (pointing to Agriculture)...it is written Agriculture, they’ll tell you what to do.
Got to Agriculture in a few short steps with our luggage.
We – Goodevening
Agric Officer – Goodevening. Are you carrying fruits, vegetables, meat?
We – No
Agric Officer – What country are you coming from?
We – Nigeria
Agric Officer – oh Nigeria! What do you have?
Me – grinded egusi, grinded ogbono, dried fish, rice (I turned to DW to continue since she did most of the packing... (wife continues...) Agric Officer – (cuts her...) Okay. Put these 3 bags in the scanner (he pointed and selected 3 randomly)
I put the first two and it went through without any problems.
Agric Officer – Don’t worry about the third one
Agric officer 2– Let me get you your bags and get you out of here quickly (gave them to us and said ) Enjoy your stay!
Part 2 – Others
Flew South West airlines, had 2 stops from New York i.e Dallas and San Antonio before touching down. Then this woman walks up to DW and I at baggage claim and tried to strike a conversation. Are you guys Nigerians? We answered in the affirmative. ‘I saw you guys in Dallas when you walked pass but i wasn’t able to talk to you’. ‘i saw your wife’s dress and suspected that you are from Nigeria’ (DW wore a Nigerian attire to travel). ‘I also saw you guys walking in the plane to take your seats’. Quite frankly, DW and I were more interested in taking our bags and zooming off to our hotel (which by the way some prepayment was made) for a bath and some rest after travelling for so long than we were in engaging in a discussion. We were tired. This woman kept on asking us at baggage claim if she could do anything for us and we kept on saying ‘No, thanks’. The offer we acceded to was to drop us off at our hotel if she was very sure it was no inconvenience. She had her husband come pick her up at the airport. In the course of the trip to our hotel, they (her and her husband) said ‘why don’t you guys come take a shower at our house and eat before going?’ DW and I in our usual characteristic turned it down but after a bit of convincing, we obliged. As soon as we got to this large beautiful home in a beautiful neighbourhood, they said ‘If you don’t mind, you can stay at our home, you don’t need to go to a hotel. We would drive you to the hotel when you have eaten and are well rested to get a refund.’ We were stunned to say the least at the offer because we didn’t know them from anywhere neither did they know us from anywhere. We were excited but they seemed even more excited to have us stay than we were of being given free accommodation for as long as were to stay in the United States. It wasn’t a decision to regret. What started out as a casual discussion has blossomed into one of the closest relationships DW & I have had with any family including our own immediate family. Today, these persons whom I have referred to above as ‘this woman’, ‘she’ and ‘her husband’ are now ‘blood’. If I were to recount the whole experience, I would type a very long time but what I typed above is a tip of the iceberg. We were welcomed to the world of freebies. Feeding (even though we came with some foodstuff), Transportation, shopping? Free. They organised a very elaborate surprise baby shower after baby was born with lots of friends in attendance. LO was given cash and gifts in thousands of dollars. For the clothes alone, if LO were to wear a clothe a day, she will not use all of them in one year. One weekend, they took us on a road trip to another state outside Texas for site seeing. Every weekend, they took us out to eat in one cafe or the other. On another weekend, Cinema...etc. Our hosts are a truly great and extraordinary family. When our beautiful daughter was born, host (wife) was kind enough to bath her throughout –Morning and Night till the day we left. When it was time to go, they asked us to shift our flight and stay 2 extra months or 1 month at the least. I think they have forgiven me for not shifting the flight. Lol.
DOCUMENTATION Did expedited and picked US passport in 2 days. Went to Passport Office without SSN. I put in 0000. They said they have a new policy that SSN must be filled in to get passport. They advised I should go to Social Security Administration Office few blocks away and they will give me the number. Took LO’s birth certificate and US Passport Application form to SSA. On sighting them, they gave me her SSN. Processed it and as I said earlier, collected it in two days. Host took us to the passport office and Vital Records Office for birth certificate and waited all the while. Got back home, checked in the mail only to realise SSN card was in the mail a day earlier but did not check.
FLIGHT We made a call to Lufthansa to add baby ticket and got a quote for $86.40. We paid over the phone on the spot. All through the legs of the journey back to Nigeria, we were given bassinet. The hostesses were always telling us what we already knew...how beautiful my princess was.lol. Lufthansa gave her some gifts. On SouthWest, after looking for a long time one white woman asked DW if she could carry LO a bit. DW said ‘yes’. Next thing, the woman began taking selfie with LO. She turned to DW and said ‘hope you don’t mind’. Similar events happened in Dallas and New York. In Germany, they were doing like a celeb landed. People that were supposed to be scanning our bags were gathering around baby stroller smiling and looking at my daughter sleeping. I wanted to take a picture of the scene but my phone was acting up. They will take turns even from the other line. It was at this point I told DW that we have to increase the bride price of my princess when she grows up and we would open a nice boutique where we can be selling her hair as Brazilian hair or Peruvian hair since everywhere we go admirers keep saying she has long hair. It will help a bit to recoup our cost of investment on this missionary journey
VISA ON ARRIVAL Requested my people in Nigeria to go to the airport and get visa on Arrival approval for LO. They got it same day in a couple of minutes. All that was required from us was to send scanned copy of baby’s international passport, mother’s international passport, father’s international passport and date of intended arrival. My own passport was asked for since I was travelling with them. They said the Visa on Arrival will cost $198 and will be paid the day we arrive. Got to the airport – when asked for baby visa , we told them visa on arrival and showed them visa on arrival approval reference letter. They signed something on the letter and told us to go. I asked ‘what of the visa?’ They said ‘Oga, don’t bother. See this fine baby – get her a Nigerian international passport and present both US and Nigerian passport anytime she is leaving Nigeria. When she is entering Nigeria, present only Nigerian passport. Anytime you are ready to do her international passport, call us and we would get it done same day.’ We exchanged numbers at their office there. They told me the cost of it. Gave them something little for their kindness and left. Got home and noticed my own passport was not stamped. DW was stamped. Called them and they told me to come to their office at the international airport. I went there in the afternoon the next day and gave them my ticket with DW and LO. They did all they needed to do and backdated my stamp to the day before – our arrival day. It took about 45 minutes. I understand the delay had to do with them inputing it in the system.
BILLS Doctor - $2800, Hospital - $3325, Epidural - $500, Scan- $135, Paediatrician (including first visit)- $500, ear piercing - $40. Collected zero balance from hospital, doctor and paediatrician.
We are home now bonding with our precious little gift. We can’t seem to stop famzing her. After going on this journey, I personally have come to appreciate DW more. It is not easy. I also understand only a bit now of what mums that travel alone experience. For those that have twins there and are alone, I remove my cap for you. Travelling as a first time mum or returnee without help whether single or multiple pregnancy is not easy especially if you have no one in the US. These women are the real MVP’s. To those who have this dream and are yet to go for this journey very especially those who are yet to go for visa interviews, by all means keep the dream alive. If it is your dream, just keep at it. Don’t let anybody talk you out of it. Dreams are personal. It is not the responsibility of another person who by the way has his or her own dream to tell you how yours does not make sense. What appeals to one may not appeal to another. Giving up is an easy convenience too cheap to buy. Don’t fall for it. US Birthright Citizenship as we have it now may not be around forever, things may change. Nobody knows. Let the future not catch you telling your child ‘If I had known, I should have pushed harder’. Your one sentence reply to these critics of your desire for your kids should be ‘It is better to have it (US citizenship), keep it and not use it than to need it and you don’t have it.’ Notwithstanding, God knows the future of everyone of us including our kids regardless of citizenship, and by the Grace of God we shall all prosper.
A friend of mine heard our story from POE to Arrival and told me ‘I don’t want anything from you. I Just want you to lay your hands on me’. Even though I laughed, I became immediately reminded that DW and I have experienced God’s favour in this journey. I said to him what I wrote in my previous post and I will reiterate here, ‘Promotion comes neither from the East nor from the West but from the Lord’ and ‘It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that showeth mercy’. Romans 9:16.
I wish everyone the best.
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Travel › Re: Give Birth In USA: Cost And Procedures Part 4 by MPhil: 7:41am On Aug 26, 2016 |
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Travel › Re: Give Birth In USA: Cost And Procedures Part 4 by MPhil: 4:58pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
Part 3
Please never go with any forged documents. At our first interview, one guy who interviewed alongside a woman (probably his wife) carrying a little baby was told the worst, ‘You have been banned from entering the United States’ and gave him a paper. I no know when i shout ‘mogbe’ for line. Life ban is real oh!!! It’s better to be denied honourably oh! Still at the first interview, i don’t know what this woman came for but i know she had a US visa. The visa officer kept asking “ Ma’am, did you give birth in the United States?” . He left his seat, came back and asked her same question twice . She said ‘No’. He was visibly angry. The VO said you said you were going for a wedding for a week and you stayed 3 months. She said she was helping her aunty who needed help after the wedding (something like that sha). The VO said ‘you left your job here for 3 months to help your aunty?’. The summary is that he told her ‘your visa is revoked’. We took our turn after her to same VO who denied us. My wife said he transferred the aggression from that woman to us. I thank all who have contributed to this thread. You have helped my wife and I in making our dream come true( knowing fully we would give birth successfully in October). I will not mention names as i run the risk of omitting some. I will feel bad about it. They are too many to mention but you know yourselves. God bless you. Again, sorry for the long post but why am I doing this? Because I drank to my fill from this spring of knowledge; and to ensure that this spring does not run dry so that others can drink too, I am contributing in my own little way or ‘giving back’. To those coming behind me and are probably in ghost mode like I was since December 2014, you probably stumbled on this thread like i did. I just googled to find out any information i could get on giving birth in the US and i came across this wonderful forum. I ‘jacked’ from Page 1 of part 1 to date like i had another professional exam to write (even after we got our visas). I started reading before i got married and took lots of notes. I remember reading the thread in the hotel during our honeymoon sef, lol. My point is, try your best, if you can, to read as much as you can from here. I know it’s not easy but the information is priceless. I’ve never had the cause to PM anyone. You may open a book at the middle page and get some information but not as much as the one who reads from the beginning or the one who at least reads some previous chapters to find the authors context. To those who have been delayed one way or the other; whether delay in fruit of the womb, miscarriage, visa delays etc don’t lose hope. Keep the dream alive. Our dream was delayed in early 2015 when my wife had a miscarriage. It was delayed again when she the next pregnancy didn’t come quickly. It was delayed again in June when our visas were denied but God is still on the throne and no more delay by God’s grace. In all these, I kept on reading and today we are here. I no wan do 2mins for POE na why i dey do Form A on Monday to pay all our medical bills plus i am now a legitimate PTA hussler to hold some good cash. Next will be our successful POE story by God’s grace. Knowledge is Power and Prayer with Persistence is the key! God Bless!!! |
Travel › Re: Give Birth In USA: Cost And Procedures Part 4 by MPhil: 4:54pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
Part 2
Visa Interview conducted by a female officer. Time: 7:55am (thereabout). Verdict – APPROVED We: Good morning Vo: Good morning...(she then tells my wife)...that’s a beautiful dress you have on. Wife: Thank you Vo: So you were here recently? Me: Yes. We were here in June Vo: Why were you denied? Me: We were denied on the grounds of insufficient funds. Vo: So, have you got the money now to travel? Me: Yes. Actually, we always had the money. At our previous interview, i stated only my basic salary. What has changed or what we did differently was to compute the sum of our basic salary, allowances and other income i receive from managing my Family Estate and stated this as one figure in the DS 160. (In the DS 160, this was my second message in space provided after the question, have you been denied a US visa before?) Vo: Can i see your bank statement? Me: Sure (handed it over to her) Vo: (flips through like first 2 pages and says) the problem is that your account rises and drops. At this instance, it dropped to ... Me: this was before we transferred into this account the money my wife and I had saved and kept aside for the purpose of our childbirth. Vo: (flips through the last few pages of my account probably to see if there was any major deposit before interview and probably to confirm what i said. There was no major deposit or major withdrawal since our denial in June. She passed the statement back to me) Vo: Did you have it in a savings somewhere in liquid cash or you combined accounts? Me: We combined the accounts. Vo: Okay. How much do you have specifically saved for this trip? Me: N...million (Told her in naira not dollars). Vo: (Types and Types...) Vo: Is it only one baby? (My wife looks like she is carrying twins ) Wife: Yes Vo: Is this your first baby? Wife: Yes Vo: How far along are you? Wife: 31 weeks Vo: When are you due? Wife: October Vo: (types a while and turns to me) why do you want to have your baby ‘so desperately’ in the US? (My wife says she suspects the first VO might have written ‘desperate’ at our first interview. According to her, i was behaving like ‘i have done my part, you must give me this visa today’.lol) Me: (shrugged off that part of ‘so desperate’ and answered). For 2 reasons: 1. Because of the better healthcare- the us ranks top in obstetric care. 2. Secondly, because of the educational opportunities that come with giving birth in the US... Vo: (cuts me there as i was trying to explain and says). How? Me: (so i just continued my prepared speech.lol) . we wish for our children before they attain the age of 18 to attend American schools in Nigera... Vo: (Cuts me again and says) your children don’t have to be born in the US to attend American schools in Nigeria. (she said this looking at me straight in my eyes) Me: Yeah, but they have a higher chance of getting admitted if they are. Vo: (Types into her system briefly and says) How long have you been saving for this? My wife and I: 2 years. Since 2014. Vo: (Types for a while.. and says) Are you staying in a hotel? Me: Yes. Intown Suites. Vo: Will you be needing any help? Me: No. Just the two of us. Vo: Are you using a birthing center? Me: No. We’re using a hospital Vo: What hospital? Me: Sierra Providence hospital (at this point, I brought out from my envelope Dr’s letter, hospital letter and budget sheet which were all stapled together. I opened to hospital letter and put my index finger on the name of the hospital for her to see). Vo: (Typed into her system. She then looked at me and saw what i was holding and said) Can i take a look at that? Me: (passed them to her) She flips through reading doctor and hospital letter then saw our coloured budget sheet ‘well classified into sections’. I think (and my wife agrees with me because of the Vo’s facial expression and body language) that at the point of seeing that budget sheet as it was and then cumulative Total, she had reached a decision. Vo: Okay. (Types a while...then the magic words). ‘Congratulations, your visas are approved’. We: Thank you (when i heard those words...in fact i cannot explain the joy or the feeling. It was like a mountain was suddenly made flat. With a dangerously wide smile, i looked at my wife. My wife refused to look back at me and hit me codedly with her elbow to couple myself). Vo: You’re welcome. Just a minute, let me give you some information about medical care in the United States (she stands up and is back in 20seconds or less then hands us visa approval paper and another white paper containing generic info on medical care in the US - it can be downloaded from their website though) Vo: Please when you get to the US, do not take any form of Medicaid even if offered. If you find that you cannot pay all your bills, just go into a payment plan so you don’t have any issues when renewing your visas, okay? We: Okay. Thank you Vo: You’re welcome. Have a great day Me: you too. Na so i reach outside come dey dance old school dance come dey greet everybody wey i see for road.lol . Even people wen dey on their own wen nothing concern them i dey greet them. Some dey laugh.lol From this interview transcript, it looks long but i tell you, it took just about 4 to 5 mins. It happened so fast and i was the first she interviewed to start her day. Above all, it was God Almighty who did it. Promotion comes neither from the East nor from the West but from the Lord and ‘it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that showeth Mercy’. Romans 9:16. Those were the scriptures my wife and I held on to and prayed the morning before going for our interview. We thanked God with same scriptures after the interview. |
Travel › Re: Give Birth In USA: Cost And Procedures Part 4 by MPhil: 4:52pm On Aug 21, 2016 |
To God be the glory!!! My wife and I had our visas approved on Wednesday 17th August at about 8:00 am. It was a reapplication. Before I write about the end, let’s start from the beginning. I will post in three parts: Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3. This is my first time ever posting on nairaland, so pardon the long posts and let it compensate for the years I have not posted. As I see it posted here, ‘In the spirit of giving back’ this is my testimony (lol):
Part 1
Visa Interview conducted by a Male Officer. Time: 9:00 am (thereabout). Verdict – DENIED VO: Your passports please We: (passed them to him) Goodmorning VO: Goodmorning. What is your relationship? Me: We are married. VO: How long have you been married? Me: Since December 2014. This December will make it 2 years. VO: What are you going to do in New York? Me: New York is our POE. Our final destination is El Paso Texas. We are going for Childbirth and Vacation. VO: Oh Okay. What is your combined income? Me: ( I didn’t anticipate this question- So i just answered my own income for myself) My basic salary is ... but i earn an average of ...monthly in salary and allowances. There was no space to fill & explain this in the DS 160 and that’s why i left it like that. However, i have my bank statement here to support this. VO: Where do you work? Me: Bleep VO: what do you do? Me: Bleep Asked my wife the same questions. She answered. VO: Have you travelled out before? Me: Yes VO: To where? Me: South Africa and Ghana Vo: How many times? Me: Once together and Once alone. Vo: Have you been in contact with a doctor and hospital? Me: Yes Vo: Can I see the correspondence? Do you have them with you? Me: Yes ( Brought out budget sheet, doctors letter & hospital letter & showed him) Vo: Ok. Why do you want to have your baby in the US? Me: Essentially, for 3 reasons: i. Because of the better healthcare – the US ranks top in obstetric care. ii. Because of the educational opportunities that come with birthing in America. iii. Because we can afford the cost to give birth in the USA. Vo: Can you pass me your bank statements? Me: (passed them to him. Passed payslip as well...VO scrutinizing them) VO: Why is there this sudden inflow into the account? Me: (explained to him and tried to give him the papers relating to the transactions as proof. He was disenchanted and didn’t look at them) VO: I am not convinced (types and types for a while...then says...) ‘Ok. It’s obvious you guys have done your homework. The thing is that i am not convinced you have sufficient funds for this trip’. I tried to talk but the VO refused to be interrupted . VO: I can’t approve your visas at this time (gave us a yellow paper that had the section 214b) and said ‘All the best’. I think this interview took about 12 to 15 mins (my wife thinks it took about 20 mins). |
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