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 Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:26pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Shame it so sad and insulting to intelligent people if muslims claim there quran was preserved by memory. Lets look how this claim falls on its back when we look at their own scripture. Even the so called prophet of islam failed to memorise his quran and had lapses in his recitation. Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such a Surah." (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 556, Khan) Narrated Hisham: (The same Hadith, adding): which I missed (modifying the Verses). (Bukhari: volume 6, book 61, number 557, Khan) 'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) heard a person reciting the Qur'an at night. Upon this he said: May Allah show mercy to him; he has reminded me of such and such a verse which I had missed in such and such a surah. (Muslim: book 4, number 1720, Siddique) 'A'isha reported that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) listened to the recitation of the Qur'an by a man in the mosque. Thereupon he said: May Allah have mercy upon him; be reminded me of the verse which I had been made to forget. (Muslim: book 4, number 1721, Siddique) Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Khudayj: One day the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prayed and gave the salutation while a rak'ah of the prayer remained to be offered. A man went to him and said: You forgot to offer one rak'ah of prayer. ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1018, Hasan) Narrated Imran ibn Husayn: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) led them in prayer and forgot something, so he made prostrations and uttered the tashahhud, then gave the salutation. (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1034, Hasan) Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: ... (Muhammad said) I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me, ... (Abu Dawud: book 3, number 1015, Hasan) Narrated 'Abdullah: ... (Muhammad said) I am a human being like you and liable to forget like you. So if I forget remind me ... (Bukhari: volume 1, book 8, number 394, Khan) So sad for these poor muslims to scramble and try validate their cult. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:15pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Binb:Muslim by spamming the forum it does jot mean that youve addressed the points Ive made against islam. You havent even address the narration, Ibn Ishaq, Aisha, the sheep eating your quran. All you do us cut and paste claims that Im actually questioning. Will you answer |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:10pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
IbnIslam:Muslim so often claim a false victory without having all the facts or simply cut and paste things they have not researched or even grasp. Any way the muslims think they have a case by accusing the bible as altered because theres a difference between the amount of books between catholics and protestants. Let explain to the muslims why these Seven books also known as the Apocrypha is not valid and therefore not found in the protestant bible. These books are so absurd that even muslims wouldnt want them in their quran.... The apocrypha (απόκρυφα means "hidden"  is a set of books written between approximately 400 B.C. and the time of Christ that is rejected by Protestants and officially accepted by the Roman Catholic Church in 1546 as being inspired. These books are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch.But if the Apocrypha is a Scripture , then it should not have any errors. But since it does have errors, as will be demonstrated below, this puts into question whether or not the Roman Catholic Church has properly used its self-proclaimed position as the teaching authority of the Christian Church. If it can error in such an important manner as what is Scripture, can it be trusted to properly teach the Christian Church? Problems in the Apocrypha When we look into the apocrypha itself, we find numerous problems. For example, we see it advocating magic where the smoke of a fish heart on a fire drives away devils. Condones the use of magic Tobit 6:5-7 , "Then the angel said to him: Take out the entrails of this fish, and lay up his heart, and his gall, and his liver for thee: for these are necessary for useful medicines. 6 And when he had done so, he roasted the flesh thereof, and they took it with them in the way: the rest they salted as much as might serve them, till they came to Rages the city of the Medes. 7 Then Tobias asked the angel, and said to him: I beseech thee, brother Azarias, tell me what remedies are these things good for, which thou hast bid me keep of the fish? 8 And the angel, answering, said to him: If thou put a little piece of its heart upon coals, the smoke thereof driveth away all kind of devils, either from man or from woman, so that they come no more to them." Is it true that the smoke from a fish's heart, when burned, drives away evil spirits? Of course not. Such a superstitious teaching has no place in the word of God that Teaches that forgiveness of sins is by human effort. Salvation by works : Tobit 4:11 , "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness." Tobit 12:9 , "For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting." We know from Scripture that alms (money or food given to the poor or needy as charity) does not purge our sins. The blood of Christ is what cleanses us - not money or food given to poor people. "But if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7 ). Money as an offering for the sins of the dead : 2 Maccabbees 12:43, "And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection." Can anyone truly accept that money isn't offering for the sins of dead people? Such a superstitious and unbiblical concept has no place in Scripture. Historical Errors Wrong historical facts : Judith 1:5 , "Now in the twelfth year of his reign, Nabuchodonosor, king of the Assyrians, who reigned in Ninive the great city, fought against Arphaxad and overcame him." Baruch 6:2 , "And when you are come into Babylon, you shall be there many years, and for a long time, even to seven generations: and after that I will bring you away from thence with peace." The book of Judith incorrectly says that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of the Assyrians when he was the king of the Babylonians. 1 Baruch 6:2 says the Jews would serve in Babylon for seven generations where Jer. 25:11 says it was for 70 years. "And this whole land shall be a desolation and a horror, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years." Conclusion Obviously the apocrypha has serious problems. From magic, to salvation by works, to money as an offering for the sins of the dead, and blatant incorrect historical facts--it is full of false and unbiblical teachings. It isn't inspired of God. Likewise, neither is the Roman Catholic Church, which has stated the Apocrypha is inspired. This shows the Roman Catholic Church is not the means by which God is communicating his truth to his people, that the Magisterium has erred greatly, and that it is infested with man's false tradition rather than God's absolute truth |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:33pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
IbnIslam:Wow you cut and paste a whole lot of babble and hope that supposedly clear up the cough that your quran was indeed eaten and crapped out by a sheep. I dont think you even understand what youve posted. Anyway its not so uncommon for muslims to deny and even hide the embarrassment of islam. First of all, Sunaan ibn majah is regarded as one of your authenticated kitaabs and suddenly its re - authenticated because it doesnt suit islam. Then why are you still using Ibn majah if hes so questionable. Secondly you wanna suddenly attack the character of Ibn Ishaaq with such a feeble claim. Ibn Ishaaq in islamic circles is still regarded as credible as he brought you the Sirat Rasull allah which is widespread in islam. He even brought you al- maghazi. Its because of Ibn Ishaaq that you muslims have a comprehensive view of muhammad's life. Now suddenly you wanna throw ibn ishaaq under the bus but you still widely use his works. Only a muslim can deny their own cukt so easily. Secondly, if. You wanna challenge the chain iof arrators on Sunaan ibn majah 3:9:1944 but Aisha can be regarded as a high authority as muhammad's wife. Secondly you claim Aisha was present during the compilatuon and wouldve mention the verses of stoning and suckling. Why didnt she? We can see from the under mentioned that Umar did make mention of it but was not considered due to the failure of having witnesses. Why would they consider Aisha's, a female witness. So you have failed to prove anything with your cut and paste answer, infact youve opened up a whole can of worms how cunning and sly muslims are.. The Perversion of Qur’an and the Loss of Many Parts of It On page 131 of his book, "El-Sheaa and Correction", the contemporary Muslim scholar, Dr. Mosa-El-Mosawy, makes this frank confession, "Those who adopt the notion of the perversion of the Qur’an are present among all different Islamic groups, but the majority of them come from the El-Sheaa scholars." Perversion of Qur’an is an unimaginable notion to the lay Muslim because the Scholars of Islam are hiding this truth from being published or becoming known. Of course, we weren’t just satisfied with what Dr. El-Mosawy has already mentioned, but we went back to the most popular ancient scholars and to Muhammad’s relatives and companions to investigate this notion concerning the perversion and loss of several parts of the Qur’an because those are the trustworthy people regarding the history and development of Islam. Upon examining the testimonies of these great companions, the answer was positive. They clearly stated that perversion and loss of large fragments of the Qur’an did occur. Let us scrutinize their testimony in order to present to deluded Muslims the truth as it is proclaimed by their trusted spiritual leaders and scholars. The deceptive veil must be removed so people can see the true face of the Qur’an. ’Ibn Umar al–Khattab explicitly admits, "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’ (Suyuti: Itqan, part 3, page 72). A’isha (also page 72) adds to the story of ibn Umar and says, "During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current (verses) were recorded" (73 verses). The same statement is made by Ubay ibn Ka’b, one of the great companions. On page 72, part 3, the Suyuti says, "This famous companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties?’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning.’ The man asked, ‘What is the verse of the stoning?’ He said, ‘If an old man or woman committed adultery, stone them to death."’ This same story and same dialogue which took place between the companion and one of the Muslims is recorded by Ibn Hazm (volume 8, part 11, pages 234 and 235). Then Ibn Hazm said, "’Ali Ibn Abi Talib said this has a reliable chain of authority (The Sweetest [Al Mohalla] vol. 8.)." The Zamakh-shari also cited it in his book, "al-Kash-Shaf’ (part 3, page 518). These are unquestionable statements made by the pillars of the Islamic religion who transmitted Muhammad’s sayings and biography, "The Tradition", and who interpreted the Qur’an— among them Ibn ’Umar, A’isha, Ubay Ibn Ka’b and ’Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Ibn ’Umar states that a large part of the Qur’an was missed. A’isha and Ubay Ibn Ka’b assert that dozens of verses from the "Chapter of the Parties" have been lost. ’Ali confirms that, too. In regard to this particular verse, the following incident is recorded in "The Itqan" by Suyuti (part 1, page 168), "During the collection of the Qur’an, people used to come to Zayd Ibn Thabit (with the verses they memorized). He shunned recording any verse unless two witnesses attested to it. The last verse of chapter of Repentance was found only with Khuzayma Ibn Thabit. Zayd said, ‘Record it because the apostle of God made the testimony of Khuzayma equal to the testimony of two men.’ ’Umar came with the verse of the stoning but it was not recorded because he was the only witness to it." One can only wonder and ask, "Does ’Umar need another witness to agree with him? Would he lie to God and the Qur’an? Because of that, ’Umar said after that, "If it were not that people would say, "Umar has added to the book of God’, I would have recorded the verse of the stoning" (part 3, page 75 of the Itqan). Refer also to skiek Kishk’s book (part 3, page 64). Another confession by A’isha: "Among the (verses) which were sent down, (the verse) of the ten breast feedings was abrogated by (a verse which calls for five breast feedings. The apostle of God died and this verse was still read as part of the Qur’an. This was related by Abu Bakr and ’Umar" (refer to Suyuti’s qan, part 3, pages 62 and 63). Events Which Led To The Loss Of Some Verses A Domesticated Animal Eats Qur’anic Verses In his book (volume 8, part II, pages 235 and 236), Ibn Hazm says plainly, "The verses of stoning and breast feeding were in the possession of A’isha in a (Qur’anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it." A’isha herself declared that and she knew exactly what she possessed. Also, Mustafa Husayn, who edited and reorganized the book, "al-Kash-shaf" by the Zamakh-Shari, asserts this fact in page 518 of part 3. He says that the ones who related this incident and said that a domesticated animal ate the verses were reliable persons among them ’Abdulla Ibn Abi Bakr and A’isha herself. This same story has been mentioned also by Dar-al-Qutni, al-Bazzar and al Tabarani, on the authority of Muhammad Ibn Ishaq who heard it from ’Abdulla who himself heard it from A’isha. Professor Mustafa indicates that this does not negate that the abrogation of these verses may have occurred before the domesticated animal ate them. Why then did ’Umar want to record the verse of the stoning in the Qur’an if its recitation was abrogated? And why did people used to read the verses of the breast-feeding? And, if Muhammad died while these verses were still recited who abrogated them? Did the domesticated animal abrogate them? It is evident that this really did occur according to the witness of the companions, Muslim scholars, and A’isha herself. Other Matters Which Were Lost, Not Recorded And Altered In part 3, page 73, the Suyuti said, "Hamida, the daughter of Abi Yunis, said, ‘When my father was eighty years old, he read in the copy of A’isha, "God and His angels bless (literally pray for) the prophet Oh ye who believe, bless him and those who pray in the first rows." Then she said, "That was before ’Uthman changed the Qur’anic copies.""’ On page 74, we read, "Umar said to ’Abdul-Rahman Ibn ’Oaf, ‘Didn’t you find among the verses that we received one saying, "Strive as you strove at the first?" We do not locate it (any more).’ ’Abdul-Rahman Ibn ’Oaf told him, ‘This verse has been removed among those others which were removed from the Qur’an."’ It is well known that ’Abdul-Rahman Ibn ’Oaf was one of the great companions and was among those who were nominated for the caliphate. Also, on the same page (74, of part 3) of "The Itqan", we read, "Maslama al-Ansar said to the companions of Muhammad, ‘Tell me about two verses which have not been recorded in the Qur’an which ’Uthman collected.’ They failed to do so. Maslama said, ‘Oh, ye who believed and immigrated and fought for the cause of God by (sacrificing) your properties and yourselves, you received the glad tidings, for you are prosperous. Also, those who sheltered them, aided them and defended them, against whom God (revealed) His wrath, no soul knows what is awaiting them as a reward for what they did."’ Throughout pages 73 and 74 of part 3, the Suyuti records for us all the remarks made by Muhammad’s companions in regard to the unpreserved Qur’anic verses which the readers failed to find in the Qur’an which ’Uthman collected and which is currently in vogue. It is worthwhile to notice that we only quote the testimonies of the most reliable authorities whose witness is highly regarded and cited by all the scholars and students of the Qur’an such as ’Ali, ’Uthman, Abu Bakr, A’isha (Muhammad’s wife), Ibn Mas’ud, and Ibn ’Abbas. In the context of expounding the Qur’an, these scholars are always quoted to shed light on the events which took place during the time of Muhammad. No one could interpret the tenets of Islam better than these scholars could. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 10:08am On Apr 11, 2017 |
IbnIslam:Poor muslim. So ssd when you have selected reading and understanding. Heres absolute prove that these these scholars and commentators in fact did altwr the quran. Notice how one verse ckearly says allah prays and then its corrected by suddenky saying it means blessings and or help.. Read my reply to your fellow muslim a few pages ago... Prove me wrong or are you in denial muslim. Heres the proof muslim. As you can muslim your multiple versions of the quran does contradict itself. The one says allah prays then suddenly its correct as sending blessing or help. Now what muslim. Do you want more surahs! Palmer: [033:056] Verily, God and His angels pray for the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him and salute him with a salutation! Yusuf Ali: [033:056] God and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect. Khalifa: [033:056] GOD and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded. Islam is a joke |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 4:18am On Apr 11, 2017 |
Bakrabas:You can claim all you want that islam is the only religion with allah. I have proven that islam is a blatant lie and you didnt even attempt a defence. Islam is a lie. I have proven that allah couldnt even defend and protect his quran from corruption and destruction. A simple sheep came and eat your quran hence the verses of stoning and breastfeeding us not in the quran today. Your own prophet confessed that he fabricated things in the quran. No dear muslim you can claim all you want but its a false claim. Islam is solely reliant on muhammad who was proven to be a liar with no credibility at all. This is the same prophet that also approved lying in islam. How can you trust a person with such low character reference. Muhammad approved and accepted that his companions may lie. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."...Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369 And no muslim we as christians do not worship the same God as muslims. I will give my proof when someone requests that information. Its also very funny that you muslims love to refer to our bible to try and give veracity to your religion yet you claim our bible has been tampered with. Muslims use your own scriptures. Our bible is complete. Islam is a lie and a fallacy based on the convenient revelations of one man with dubious character. Wake up muslims. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:48pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
Bakrabas:Do you agree that all the english qurans that simply state "christian" or "christians" is not a correct translation according to your understanding muslim? Thanks for showing us that your quran was mistranslated. Iskam is a joke. Wakakak wakakaka |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:44pm On Apr 10, 2017 |
Bakrabas:Oh my goodness muslim. You speak but still say nothing. Again I ask where does your allah get the word christian in the quran? Did allah consult the tafsir muslim. Your allah says "christian" or " christians". He does not say "those who call themselves christians" Your allah makes a definitive statement by saying christians, period. Now why dont you give us the tafsir lets see if it agrees with your allahs quran. Keep kicking your own allah's words in the you know where. Shame, so sad when the slave of allah wants to correct allahs quran |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 10:57am On Apr 10, 2017 |
Maximus85:Just as expected. Again nothing of intelligence. In what sense are muslims better. You cant just make claims little man. Oh by the way still wanna know what you are if not muslim. Let me guess youre not gonna answer. Lmao |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 9:36am On Apr 10, 2017 |
[quote author=Maximus85 post=55434298]Lol, When your head is empty..... You won't even know who is who. But since insult is what you know how to do best, let me help you. First, I'm not a Muslim. And I will tell you that Muslims are far better in sense and reasoning than most of you stupid, foolish and gullible so called fake ars Christians. Your pastors are criminals. [/quote Oh please. Just as I thought, again assumptions with absolutely nothing to back yourself up. All your posts are empty and has no value or contribution at all. In what sense are muslims better? In killing people for islam or raping slaves and underage girls?. I dont expect an answer from you as youve proven how empty your mind is. Ok heres the challenge, tell us something intelligent. If pastors are criminals how does christianity approve or condone that in any way empty head. If you're not a muslim what are you then? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 7:11am On Apr 10, 2017 |
Maximus85:Oh poor baby did I take your dummy, dummy. Your whining and crying makes no difference baby. Proof me wrong on your pagan cult. By the way islam is a cult of death and sex not a religion. If you have a case make it and quit your whining. You pagans had a big mouth all along until I proved you wrong now you wanna cry. Islam is a joke just like you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:56am On Apr 10, 2017*. Modified: 5:09am On Apr 10, 2017 |
[quote author=Eldee54321 post=55427236]Another attention seeker[/quote So true |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:54am On Apr 10, 2017 |
Bakrabas:Wow muslim then youve just hit the last nail in your false quran. Ive proven that the word christian does in fact appear in all your english translations, so by your own admission theyre are all incorrectly translated. Thanks muslim for confirming your quran is indeed crap. So what do you make of the word christian in your english quran muslim. Im rolling on the floor laughing my ass of. Idris do you agree with your fellow blackstoner? Wakakakak wakakakaka |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 4:54pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:Let me see where I got the interpretation that surah 5:32 refers only to the children of Israel. Oh you talk with references but all I see is incorrect references muslim. You quoted an incomplete verse muslim. Stop defending your error. You were exposed for giving a truncated verse thats not even in your quran. This is the correct verse and I also got this verse from your qurans. Yusuf Ali: [005:032] On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them Dr. Munir Munshey [005:032] For that reason, We decreed for the children of Israel, “If someone kills a human being _ unless as a penalty for murder, or unless it is to prevent the spread of corruption in the world _ it is as if he has killed the entire humanity. And if someone saves a life, it is as if he has saved the entire humanity. Certainly, (all) Our messengers had brought to them the clear (irrefutable) proofs. Despite that, most people in the world continue to commit (outrageous) excesses. Sher Ali: [ 005:032 ] On account of this, WE prescribed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killed a person - unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land - it shall be as if he killed all mankind; and whoso saved a life, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. And our Messengers came to them with clear Signs, Yet even after that, many of them commit excesses in the land. Shakir: [005:032] For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our apostles came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land. Pickthall: [005:032] For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth. Sale: [005:032] Wherefore we commanded the children of Israel, that he who slayeth a soul, without adding thereto the murder of another soul, or without committing wickedness in the earth, shall be as if he had slain all mankind: But he who saveth a soul alive, shall be as if he had saved the lives of all mankind. Our Apostles formerly came unto them, with evident miracles; then were many of them, after this, transgressors on the earth. See muslim this is where I got it from that surah 5:32 only applies to the people of Israel and not muslim. So muslim next time dont use this verse to claim morals that allah ordained for Israel, youre only embarrassing yourself muslim 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:52pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Islam is a sick pagan cult that places no value on human life at all. The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling . It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam. Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter No. 163 Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it. Sahih Muslim 26:5389 , See Also Sahih Muslim 26:5390 , Sunan Abu Dawud 41:5186 Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ' If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260 So much for islam being a religion of peace with no compulsion. Islam is a joke |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:44pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Qur'an 9:29 If theres no compulsion in religion why must you fight with unbelievers until allah comes. Why must we be subdued and pay jizyah tax if theres no compulsion in religion. Muslim stop lying for allah. Your own scripture is against you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:38pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:No muslim youre sadly mistaken. Again the islamic lie was repeated so many times that the ignorant muslims believe it. You will never get a proper account of muslims leaving islam because you are commanded to kill apostates, hence muslim will never broadcast their apostasy as this will be suicide. So no muslim islam is draining by the hour. Why then do you kill apostates and non muslims if theres no compulsion in religion. Think again muslim you keep making false claims 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:33pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:When a muslim keeps asking, where does Jesus say "I'm God or where does he say I have two natures". This is the answer to them. Not that they will understand this parable (no pun intended) ...MUSLIM CSI: A muslim man (allah worshipper) commits a heinous crime. The detective finds lots of witnesses, fingerprints, DNA on the crime scene linking him to the crime. When this muslim is arrested the murder weapon is found in his possession. The accused (muslim) appears before a judge along with his lawyer (Another muslim). The accused pleads not guilty. After the case is heard the judge gives the muslim 25 years. The lawyer (another muslim) claims his client is innocent. He ( the muslim lawyer) says to the judge, "can you show me in the docket where my client, says "I'm guilty, I committed the murder". Up to this day the lawyer claims that the court can't give him proof where his client said, "I'm guilty, I committed the crime". Moral of the story: Always follow the evidence. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:32pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:You see muslim again you make a feeble claim. Notice how life is supposedly sacred yet theres provision to kill by way of justice amd law. So in all essence you can kill apostates and unbelievers because its against islamic jurisprudence. So all non muslims can die by virtue of this verse. See muslim we are commanded not to kill at all or stone adulterers. Islam makes provision for killing no matter how you look at it muslim. Again a big failure Yusuf Ali: [006:151] Say: "Come, I will rehearse what God hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 3:24pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:Yes muslim you didnt NOT quote children of Israel to mislead people. You cant even quote your quran properly because the correct verse in your quran says " children if Israel". Your quote used an altered version and not even the correct verse muslim. Yet you wanna defend your error. Ive quoted the correct verse in full and exposed your error and cunning muslim |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 2:43pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:I notice that you didnt even try to defend your blatant lie that Ive exposed on Surah 5:32. Do you concede that you were incorrect or deliberately cunning in misleading people muslim?. Do you agree that allah is referring only to the people of Israel in that verse and not muslims as you so falsely claimed. By the way the red herring method that you muslims always use wont work with me. Did you lie or deliberately try to mislead people muslim? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:53pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
oladoja1:The muslim mind us so limited they cannot see the obvious. Why didnt Jesus correct or reprimanded Thomas if he was addressing Jesus incorrectly. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 1:04pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
[quote author=IbnIslam post=54683866][/quote]101 contradictions answered.. http://www.debate.org.uk/debate-topics/apologetic/contrads/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:48pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:Matthew 5:44 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Romans 12:18 - If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Now muslim can you bring any verse or hadith from that comes close to these verses. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:43pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
idris4r83:First of all muslim. Read your quran. This verse doesn't even apply to muslims at all. Allah clearly says its ordained for the children of israel not muslims. So you as a muslim cannot even use this verse as your so called defence. Also notice how this verse also give exceptions when you can kill. Not so in christianity muslim. We are commanded not to kill fullstop. Nothing futher, no ifs, buts, or unless. So muslim try again youve failed miserably. Notice how the muslim failed to give the full verse to fool people. What a cunning muslim Dr. Munir Munshey [005:032] For that reason, We decreed for the children of Israel, “If someone kills a human being unless as a penalty for murder, or unless it is to prevent the spread of corruption in the world it is as if he has killed the entire humanity. And if someone saves a life, it is as if he has saved the entire humanity. Certainly, (all) Our messengers had brought to them the clear (irrefutable) proofs. Despite that, most people in the world continue to commit (outrageous) excesses. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:32pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Maximus85:Follow the evidence. But then again if you didnt understand my posting I doubt your mind will grasp anything at all. The moral is that Jesus doesnt have to say Im God to be regarded as God dummy. You wont understand because christianity is not a one liner religion like your islamic cult. Duh |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:25pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
IbnIslam:No allah did not preserve the quran. After all your own scriptures confirm tgat it eas eaten and defecated out by a sheep. Read this authenticated hadith as reference.. It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it." (Hasan) Ibn Majah 3:9:1944. Also read where your own prophet confessed he fabricated things in the quran..."I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (Al-Tabari 6:111) I wont even elaborate on why Muasud's copt of the quran was more acceptable but yet not considered when Uthman collected the quran. Chew on that so long |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:19pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
oladoja1:When a muslim keeps asking, where does Jesus say "I'm God or where does he say I have two natures". This is the answer to them. Not that they will understand this parable (no pun intended) ...MUSLIM CSI: A muslim man (allah worshipper) commits a heinous crime. The detective finds lots of witnesses, fingerprints, DNA on the crime scene linking him to the crime. When this muslim is arrested the murder weapon is found in his possession. The accused (muslim) appears before a judge along with his lawyer (Another muslim). The accused pleads not guilty. After the case is heard the judge gives the muslim 25 years. The lawyer (another muslim) claims his client is innocent. He ( the muslim lawyer) says to the judge, "can you show me in the docket where my client, says "I'm guilty, I committed the murder". Up to this day the lawyer claims that the court can't give him proof where his client said, "I'm guilty, I committed the crime". Moral of the story: Always follow the evidence. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:16pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
Bakrabas:How stupid can a muslim be. That means your allah is all wrong because he mentuons the word christians hundreds if times in his quran. If christianity didnt exist why does your allah mentiin the word christian so amny times in your quran dummy. Dont insult your allah. Heres just one verse as my proof.. Yusuf Ali: [005:051] O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the CHRISTIANS for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust. So muslim where does your allah get the idea of the word christian. Keep insulting your iwn allah muslim. Your logic is questionable 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:04pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
nurusystem:Again no proof at all. Anyway why dont you go and defend this topic... "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (Al-Tabari 6:111) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 12:01pm On Apr 09, 2017 |
[quote author=BetaThings post=54641079]More lives have been lost to Christianity than to any other religion[/quoted Based on what?? Youre own stupidity or assumptions. Back up your claims muslim. This is not the madressah where you just swallow every crap from your imam without checking facts |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Hussaini Mabera Takes TB Joshua To Court For Calling Jesus God by Murtadd4Christ: 11:59am On Apr 09, 2017 |
BetaThings:More and more assumptions from the muslim mind. Now muslim can you find or give any verses in the bible that actually justifies these killings. Any person who is a real christian will know that killing is a sin. If a "christian" kills another person he acts on his own accord and wont find any backing in his religion unlike in the cult of islam |
