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wingmanIII:
You must be an ediot to assume I'm a Muslim.
Why don't you read and comprehend before typing rubbish.
I am � with the Jews/Israelites.
What's wrong with some of you?

Make yourself clear boy. Im laughing my socks of here. You say I must read and comprehend but you can't even spell IDIOT... talking about typing rubbish.. wakakakaka

wingmanIII:
Their bigotry and hypocrisy is sickening.

Talking about hypocrisy. Lets see why Israel wanna make sure they sweep out the filth before they kill all jews. Your own prophet didn't hesitate to endanger women and children. So what now misguided muslim.

Israel actually sends warnings beforehand to people in Gaza before they attack. Who does that? Does Hamas send warnings to Israel when they send over 3000 rockets into Israel. In fact Hamas wants to kill as many jews as possible because your prophet prescribed it. I suggest you look in the mirror to see hypocrisy and bigotry muslim.

The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’
Al-Tabari, Vol. 7, p. 97
Qurayza

Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:256

Elbinawi:
Paris Hilton called it genocide in Gaza. Then they got to her and she deleted the Tweet. She is now preaching "peace and love for all". This is the Modus Operandi of the child-killing Israeli savages. If you refuse to back down they will slaughter you to silence you forever.

These bloodthirsty barbarians hide under the umbrella of "peace" to ethnically cleanse #Palestine. They mass murder innocent Palestinian children and called it "the way to peace".

The racist Jewish supremacy savages are not lovers of peace. What they want is the total surrender of Oppressed Palestinians. It is important that we know the difference between peace and surrender. What these bloodthirsty savages lust for is the pieces of Palestinian carcasses.

(Paris Whitney Hilton is an American media personality, socialite, businesswoman, model, singer, actress, and DJ. She is a great-granddaughter of Conrad Hilton, the founder of Hilton Hotels.)

#IsraelKillsCivilians

#ElbinawiTweets

Its so amazing that you, a muslim who follows the barbaric acts of your prophet, claim that israel are bloodthirsty barbarians and child killers. Let see how your pathetic prophet killed children for having pubic hair. And you have the audacity to claim israel as bloodthirsty barbarians. Search your own scriptures abd see the filth.

The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.
Ishaq:464

The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 38

The Messenger commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 8, p. 40

Oksman:
I can't believe that prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said this if not because of above quoted verse. I have always thought that he preached to them to live in peace with their neighbours especially the Jews and Christian because they also worship the same God?

Unfortunately you have to believe that you have been lied to all your life. Now by your own reasoning. If we All worship the same God why did Muhammed command apostates to be killed. It's clear Muhammed never believed Christians and jews worship the same God. Muhammed killed people who left Islam. Here's your own hadiths. Accept the fact that your "prophet" was not a very good man



Ibn 'Abbas said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"
Sunan an-Nasa'i 5:37:4063


Narrated Ikrima: Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Sahih Bukhari 4:52:260

Elbinawi:
Palestine: Important Reminder to All Muslims

In this critical stage of the emancipation of occupied Palestine from the bloodthirsty Zionist Israeli barbarians, ask yourself this question "What am I doing to help?"

Do not be useless to Palestine & be useless to Islam. It is either you are in the battlefield fighting the Israeli barbarians or you are participating in #FreePalestine rallies and protests, or you are sharing pro-Palestine updates on the social media or you are giving monetary and logistics donations to your active Muslim brothers and sisters.

We All MUST be United on This!

Thank you!

#AqsaUnderAttack

#ElbinawiTweets

VIVA ISRAEL

Oh I nearly forgot to remind these Muslims what your allah says about the so called land named Palestine. Even your quran agrees that the land belongs to the Jewish people but you seem to ignore your allah at will. The following verses from your quran confirm that Palestine as you would like to call it belongs to the jews. So why are Muslims fighting the rightful owners of the land. Moses was leading Israelite and you clearly see who your allah is speaking to.


Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:

[005:020] And (remember) when Moosa (Moses) said to his people: "O my people! Remember the Favour of Allah to you, when He made Prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the Alameen (mankind and jinns, in the past)."
[005:021] "O my people! Enter the holy land (Palestine) which Allah has assigned to you, and turn not back (in flight) for then you will be returned as losers."
[005:022] They said: "O Moosa (Moses)! In it (this holy land) are a people of great strength, and we shall never enter it, till they leave it; when they leave, then we will enter."
[005:023] Two men of those who feared (Allah and) on whom Allah had bestowed His Grace (they were ??Yoosha (Joshua) and Kalab (Caleb)) said: "Assault them through the gate, for when you are in, victory will be yours, and put your trust in Allah if you are believers indeed."
[005:024] They said: "O Moosa (Moses)! We shall never enter it as long as they are there. So go you and your Lord and fight you two, we are sitting right here."
[005:025] He (Moosa (Moses)) said: "O my Lord! I have power only over myself and my brother, so separate us from the people who are the Fasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allah)!"
[005:026] (Allah) said: "Therefore it (this holy land) is forbidden to them for forty years; in distraction they will wander through the land. So be not sorrowful over the people who are the Fasiqoon (rebellious and disobedient to Allah)."


Muslims are so blinded by their hatred for jews that they will even ignore their own supposed holy scripture to deny jews their rightful property.

VIVA ISRAEL:

Elbinawi:
If you are an Activist or a Writer or both do not border yourself with abuses and insults directed at you for freely expressing your opinion. Occupying yourself with the mountain of abuses will weight you down.

Whenever you write, some people will insult and abuse you by trying to diminish the potency of the points you raised. But the silent majority of people will reflect about the points you raised. Your target should be that silent majority.

Since the start of the Israeli aggression against Palestine, I shared my post extensively in the Nigerian NairaLand Forum. I received a lot of abuses and insults from mostly Christians but encouragingly some of them are picking up.

I learnt patience in writing from one of my masters, Dr. Ali Shariati, who said: "We disquiet the quiet and quiet the disquiet."

#FreePalestine

#ElbinawiTweets

DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST ISLAMIST BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY



It's quite ironic that your heading is an important reminder to all Muslims. Now let me remind you that your own so called Islamic prophet drove jews and Christians from the Arabian peninsula from their homes and businesses. Now you wanna cry and play victims when your Palestinian brothers are expelled from a Jewish land.

It's been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:

I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
وَحَدَّثَنِي زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ، حَدَّثَنَا الضَّحَّاكُ بْنُ مَخْلَدٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ، ح وَحَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لَهُ - حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ أَخْبَرَنِي عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ ‏ "‏ لأُخْرِجَنَّ الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَى مِنْ جَزِيرَةِ الْعَرَبِ حَتَّى لاَ أَدَعَ إِلاَّ مُسْلِمًا ‏"‏ ‏.‏
: Sahih Muslim 1767a
: Book 32, Hadith 75: Book 19, Hadith 4366

Suddenly you Muslims wanna cry when people treat you exactly the way you need to be treated.

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You are way ahead of yourself to assume theres no evidence for God. What is wrong with witness testimony? Its used all over the world and even in judicial courts. In fact how do you know about the chernorbyl accident, Pearl harbour etc. Theyre all based on historical accounts from witnesses. How do you know the earth is spherical? Its also based on witness accounts unless of course you yourself went into space to see. Witness testimony simply cannot be brushed aside by your ignorance.


Youre all over the place and assume that faith is merely a phantom believe. As usual you assume that faith needs proof to be accepted as valid even though you practice faith daily albeit in denial. First of all faith is abstract and cannot be tested physically much like love. Love itself is also abstract and yet you accept it does exists? No you cannot prove Love but you see Love in the result. thats akin to faith.


Are you now speaking in a snake tongue. Now you claim to believe theres no moral code yet earlier you claimed the Golden rule already existed throughout history.Which is it? Yes morality is already in existence. Are you killing and raping people or stealing and cheating. I bet youre not. Now on what do you base that? Please enlighten us.



What does a suicide bomber have to do with christianity and morals?The suicide bomber already violate the Golden rule without even going deeper. So if you rape your own mother is that your moral code and hence justified. 


Thats eactly where the problem comes in atheist, everyone decides for themselves, thats why the world is in such a mess. Now do you think the world wouldve been better  and more moral if it used christian principles? Again blowing hot air to claim delusion for people who believe that morals have been handed down by God. Why is this so farfetched?



I agree theres a significant moral difference between people.Why do you think so? Its because people want to justify their immorality and deny any sort of rebuke or correction. Others deny Gods existence to comfort themselves that theres no penalty for sleeping with their mothers, sisters, daughters and commit vile acts.



Again you claim that humans evolved morals based on what exactly? I have previously stated that living together simply doesnt mean living morally. You conveniently overlooked this.


Talking about general perceptions of morals has no bearing on me, Im a christian that defend christian morals and not general allegations.


Oh my goodness. what does military have to do with christianity? Is military now suddenly christianity? My bible says killing is a sin no matter what? Hence repentance must be seek when you kill someone. If a person jeopardises my life or the life of my family I will in all likelihood shoot that person but it would still not justify the killing and I must repent from it. 



No its not an empty assertion at all but merely denial on your part. Look around you and see the christian moral principles in even the laymen. You earlier claim to be social with co-workers etc. Why are you in a sense of harmony to work with and socialise with people. Why arent you killing and raping each other. See my point atheist. What is your moral source?



To claim the source of the golden rule from an eloquent peasant is indeed a pipe dream. Its merely an ancient story about Khun Anup and his donkey having an altercation with another person. Theres absolutely nothing that you use to draw even the slightest inference that he spoke about the Golden rule. Not even one sentence comes close to Jesus words at all. This is a fallacy and one cant even find an ancient codice to verify this story. Wishful thinking indeed.



Now you assume once again that because Jesus spoke the golden rule in the new testament its supposedly after the fact. In Matthew 7:12 Jesus spoke the Golden rule and echoes what Moses wrote in Leviticus 19:18 and Leviticus 19:34 respectively. As Moses spoke the Golden rule around 1445 BC which Jesus echoes in the new testament, this clearly predates Confucius, Mozi, Laozi and Socrates by a good 800-900 years.Hence the Golden rule can be claimed by christianty via our forefather Moses.



Theres just no stopping your assumptions. If these words were refined over time please furnish the proof so that we can research them.


Now if humans learn by trial and error why do we still get it so wrong after all these centuries? We are exactly back to square one selling our morals to justify our own vile desires. And all this despite the fact that humans already have a moral template to live by, christian morality, the originators of the Golden rule and other moral codes

You dont seem to understand my question but I guess I didnt make myself clear. My question shouldve been, why do you believe theres no God and why? 

Most people in fact do believe in evidence that can be proven or disproved. This is not unique to atheism.


You claim morals comes from experience, society and working together? This is so farfetched and baseless to even ponder. If society practiced cannibalism does that automatically mean they have morals because theyre a"society". An immoral society can also rely on each other for a common purpose but that simply doesnt default into morals. My bible describes a people of Sodom and Gommorah who was also a society that practiced and accepted sodomy. Society simply is not a synonym for morals.See how your moral source from society falls flat.

Yes you live with neighbours, co-workers, society and the world. The fact that you are not being killed and are tolerated tells us that theres already a sense of moral code. Where does this sense of moral code comes from? As stated above, clearly not from the concept of a society. My bible as my source of morals clearly define OUR conduct in society. " Romans 12:18- If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone, Proverbs 25:21-f your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink."


Clearly society in general already live their lives based on a christian moral template whether you like it or not. My bible is my moral source, whats yours?


Where does the so called golden rule comes from? Youve fail to give references for your assumption yet you quickly claim christianity hijacked it.

In fact christianity claims this golden rule by a mere simple verse in our bible. Do unto others as you want them to do unto you. 

Mark 12:31-The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

See below

Pastafarian:
could you be clearer?

What do you atheists believe and why? Where do you atheists get your morals from, if any

Where are you atheist. Im here give a shout?? Or are you still trying to find morals in humanism and society.. lmk

khalling2008:
i don't like stories, I gave you evidence from the Bible where Abraham was not a jews according to what Quran said that Abraham was not a jews. check my post again.
the verses you quoted didn't say Abraham was jews. just show me verses where Abraham was jews. Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
(Matthew 5:17-18)

" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.
if I show where they performed prayer in Muslim way in the bible, will you accept islam

In a nutshell for easy understanding purpose. As christians we have God's Law also known as the ten commandments. These are the commands written in stone by God. This is the commands or law referred to in Matthew 5:17-20. Most people get confuse when they hear the law of Moses. The big difference is that the ten commandments will stay until worlds end. The law of Moses was merely a way for people to make repentance if they trangressed Gods law. Under the law of Moses you had to sacrifice animals to make repentance. In the new testament the ten commandments did not disappear at all. The only difference is the way in which we now make repentance after Jesus came. Therefore we can now clearly see that the law of Moses was indeed temporary until the seed comes. Paul also states that if that law of Moses was perfect we wouldnt have had a need for a new covenant. Now in Christ we have a new and perfect covenant hence we dont sacrifice animals and dont kill people for transgressions as per old. Stop confusing the law of Moses with God's law. Ignorance is no defence

Did Jesus really pray like muslims did?. Jesus FELL on his face and prayed. Do muslims FALL on their faces. Did Jesus pray 5 times a day or did ritual fasting every year? No, no and No

Binb:
where are the Christians? come and address all the issues raised by khalling2008

@ Binb

Aren't you the same muslim that I screwed so hard on another forum. I even had you denying your own qurans and you just disappeared like a ghost. Now you wanna become a cheerleader for someone else.


https://www.nairaland.com/3684888/hussaini-mabera-takes-tb-joshua/24#down

madridguy:
This is a very sad situation. Many bad elements are just there to tarnish the good name of Islam. Let live and let others live as there is no compulsion in ISLAM.

Islam prohibits terrorism. Islam prohibits a Muslim from attacking innocent people.

Also, Islam does not support terrorism under any circumstances. Terrorism goes against every principle in Islam. If a Muslim engages in terrorism, he is not following Islam. He may be wrongly using the name of Islam for political or financial gain.

Islam does not have a good name at all. Unless of course raping slaves and young girls is good. Unless of course committing halaal whoredom and making bastards in islam is good. No thanks muslim islam has no good, just pure evil


Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "WE WENT with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Barli Al- Mustaliq and WE captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, AND the long SEPERATION from OUR WIVES was pressing US hard and WE wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Apostle (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence." Sahih Bukhari 3:46:718

danjumakolo:
Hello all these verses were quoted wrongly and contextually.For example the in first verse 2:191

The verse in question is one that was revealed during a war scenario. There was a pact that the Muslims had made with the non-Muslims at that time and that pact was violated. This had led to war. Like you know, during those days- war tended to be more honorable and was fought in battlefields, not cities and towns where women and children lived. This verse is akin to an army general commanding his soldiers to "Kill the Enemy" or "Fire on sight". It is a battle cry, not a general direction to kill any non-Muslim or person who disagrees with you at anytime. It is war specific.

Do not be blind folded by a verse without knowing the object of the verse.

For example in King James version,Jesus commanded those who do not follow him should be killed...

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27 KJV)

So bro be of the literates okay.

Hope this helps

It just challenges the mind how muslims can deduce that Luke 19 refers to Jesus claiming to kill. First of all muslims the bible is not to be read like the islamic one liner quran whos verses and surahs are erratic and not even in proper order. Here Jesus is clearly talking about a king who said... "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”

This is what happens when muslims use ONE verse to try and justify their falsehood. Read from verse 11 and see how your claim false flat.



Luke 19:11-27
The Parable of the Ten Minas
11 While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12
He said: “A MAN of noble birth went to a distant country to have HIMSELF appointed king and then to return. 13 So HE called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[ a ] ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
14 “But his subjects HATED him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15 “He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16 “The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
18 “The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
19 “His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
20 “Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21 I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
22 “His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23
Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
24 “Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
25 “‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
26 “HE REPLIED, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’”


So bro let me use your own words against you "Do not be blind folded by a verse without knowing the object of the verse."

More proof that the muslim claim about their so called ONE preserved quran is a pipe dream


In response, Muslims contend that they do have a number of these “Uthmanic recensions,” these original copies from the seventh century, still in their possession. There are two documents which do hold some credibility, and to which many Muslims refer. These are the Samarkand Manuscript , which is located in the Tashkent library, Uzbekistan (in the southern part of the former Soviet Union), and the Topkapi Manuscript , which can be found in the Topkapi Museum, in Istanbul, Turkey.
These two documents are indeed old, and there has been ample etymological analysis done on them by scriptologists, as well as experts in Arabic calligraphy to warrant their discussion. What most Muslims do not realize is that these two manuscripts are written in the Kufic Script, a script which according to modern Qur’anic manuscript experts, such as Martin Lings and Yasin Hamid Safadi, did not appear until late into the eighth century, and was not in use at all in Mecca and Medina in the seventh century 9 .
The reasons for this are quite simple. Consider: The Kufic script, properly known as al-Khatt al-Kufi , derives its name from the city of Kufa in Iraq
10 . It would be rather odd for this script to have been adopted as the official script for the “mother of all books” as it is a script which had its origins in a city that had only been conquered by the Arabs a mere 10-14 years earlier.
It is important to note that the city of Kufa , which is in present day Iraq, was a city which would have been Sassanid or Persian before that time (637-8 A.D.). Thus, while Arabic would have been known there, it would not have been the predominant language, let alone the predominant script until much later.
We know in fact, that the Kufic script reached its perfection during the late eighth century (up to one hundred and fifty years after Muhammad’s death) and thereafter it became widely used throughout the Muslim world 11 . This makes sense, since after 750 A.D. the Abbasids controlled Islam, and due to their Persian background were headquartered in the Kufa and Baghdad areas. They would thus have wanted their script to dominate. Having been themselves dominated by the Umayyads (who were based in Damascus) for around 100 years, it would now be quite understandable that an Arabic script which originated in their area of influence, such as the Kufic script would evolve into that which we find in these two documents mentioned here.
Therefore, it stands to reason that both the Topkapi and Samarkand Manuscripts, because they are written in the Kufic script, could not have been written earlier than 150 years after the Uthmanic Recension was supposedly compiled; at the earliest the late 700s or early 800s 12 .
We do know that there were two earlier Arabic scripts which most modern Muslims are not familiar with. These are the al-Ma’il Script, developed in the Hijaz , particularly in Mecca and Medina, and the Mashq Script, also developed in Medina 13 . The al-Ma’il Script came into use in the seventh century and is easily identified, as it was written at a slight angle 14 . In fact the word
al-Ma’il means “slanting.” This script survived for about two centuries before falling into disuse.
The Mashq Script also began in the seventh century, but continued to be used for many centuries. It is more horizontal in form and can be distinguished by its somewhat cursive and leisurely style 15 . There are those who believe that the Mashq script was a forerunner to the later Kufic script, as there are similarities between the two.
If the Qur’an had been compiled at this time in the seventh century, then one would expect it to have been written in either the Ma’il or Mashq script.
Interestingly, we do have a Qur’an written in the Ma’il script, and considered to be the earliest Qur’an in our possession today. Yet it is not found in either Istanbul or Tashkent, but, ironically, it resides in the British Museum in London 16 . It has been dated towards the end of the eighth century (790 A.D.) by Martin Lings, the former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, who is himself, a practising Muslim.
Therefore, with the help of script analysis, we are quite certain that there is no known manuscript of the Qur’an which we possess today which can be dated from the seventh century 17 .
Furthermore, virtually all the earliest Qur’anic manuscript fragments which we do possess cannot be dated earlier than 100 years after the time of Muhammad. In her book Calligraphy and Islamic Culture, Annemarie Schimmel underlines this point when she states that apart from the recently discovered [Korans] in Sanaa, “the earliest datable fragments go back to the first quarter of the eighth century.” 18
From the evidence we possess, therefore, it would seem improbable that any portions of the Qur’an supposedly copied out at Uthman’s direction have survived. What we are left with is the intervening 150 years for which we cannot account.

Binb:
Read my earlier posts again I have addressed all the issues you raised

its you that is in denial Lets do a small summary:

1) Multiple version of bibles, e.g. King James Version has 66 books, Catholic version has 73 books, Revised Standard Books has some verses expunged, Jehovah Witness has their own etc

2) There is only one Qur'an with 144 Surahs (No Revised standard Version).

3) If you deny the above, bring another version of the Qur'an (like we have multiple versions of the Bible) or forever keep quiet!

I will not reply you on this thread again unless you can convincingly address the above three issues

The muslim denial of their false quran..


A manuscript analysis of the Qur’an does present us with unique problems not encountered with the Bible. While we can find multiple manuscripts for the Bible written 700-900 years earlier, at a time when durable paper was not even used, the manuscripts for the Qur’an within the century in which it was purported to have been compiled, the seventh century, simply do not exist. Prior to 750 A.D. (thus for 100 years after Muhammad’s death) we have no verifiable Muslim documents which can give us a window into this formative period of Islam 1 . In fact the primary sources which we possess are from 150-300 years after the events which they describe, and therefore are quite distant from those events 2 . For that reason they are, for all practical purposes, secondary sources, as they rely on other material, much of which no longer exists. We simply do not have any “account from the Islamic’ community during the [initial] 150 years or so, between the first Arab conquests [the early 7th century] and the appearance, with the sira-maghazi narratives, of the earliest Islamic literature” [the late 8th century] 3 .
We should expect to find, in those intervening 150 years, at least remnants of evidence for the development of the old Arab religion towards Islam (i.e. Muslim traditions); yet we find nothing
4 . The documentary evidence at our disposal, prior to 750 A.D. “consists almost entirely of rather dubious citations in later compilations” 5 . Consequently, we have no reliable proof that the later Muslim traditions speak truly of the life of Muhammad, or even of the Qur’an 6 . In fact we have absolutely no evidence for the original Qur’anic text 7 . Nor do we have any of the alleged four copies which were made of this recension and sent to Mecca, Medina, Basra and Damascus 8 .
Even if these copies had somehow disintegrated with age (as some Muslims now allege), there would surely be some fragments of the documents which we could refer to. By the end of the seventh century Islam had expanded from Spain in the west to India in the east. The Qur’an (according to tradition) was the centrepiece of their faith. Certainly within that enormous sphere of influence there would be some Qur’anic documents or manuscripts which still exist till this day. Yet, there is nothing anywhere from that period at all.
With the enormous number of manuscripts available for the Christian scriptures, all compiled long before the time Muhammad was born, it is incredible that Islam cannot provide a single corroborated manuscript of their most holy book from even within a century of their founder’s birth.

Binb:
Read my earlier posts again I have addressed all the issues you raised

its you that is in denial Lets do a small summary:

1) Multiple version of bibles, e.g. King James Version has 66 books, Catholic version has 73 books, Revised Standard Books has some verses expunged, Jehovah Witness has their own etc

2) There is only one Qur'an with 144 Surahs (No Revised standard Version).

3) If you deny the above, bring another version of the Qur'an (like we have multiple versions of the Bible) or forever keep quiet!

I will not reply you on this thread again unless you can convincingly address the above three issues

As usual in denial. Can you please tell us whats the difference of all the so called versions of the bible. Go back a few posts I have fully and comprehensively addressed the issue with the difference between the 7 missing books in the protestant bible vs the catholic bible. Thats already addressed.

Im waiting for you to bring the so called differences in the bibles. The Jehovahs bible is not recognised by mainstream christianity anyway as it does not have any credibility or historical references beyond the 1800's.

Now back to the quran. I ask again, why did Masud not listen to caliph Uthman to burn his version of the quran? Uthman and Masud were in the same clan or vicinity therefore their dialects would have been the same. So that indicate that your quran had major errors and differences. You keep on claiming you have ONE quran but this ONE quran in itself is a false quran. This so called one quran was already screwed from the onset. So even if you have the so called ONE quran its already in error. So keep denying muslim.

What have you addressed again

Binb:
You are just going round in circle, simply bring another version of the Qur'an (like we have multiple versions of the Bible) or forever keep quiet!

Believe what you want muslim. I have made my case and all you claim is denial. Your qurans were burnt to hide the real truth. You did not even address or rebut ONE of my allegations. Youre simply in denial. If you wish to find comfort in your denilal, so be it muslim. Poor thing, I even had you admittung that your engkish qurans are questionabke yet you still find solice in them. Youre a big joke muslim. I have proven over and over again your so called quran was eaten by a sheep, altered by Uthman and just not accurate.

Allah simply failed to protect his quran. You have not even attempted to rebut my allegatiins and proof. Denial simply is jo defence.

Binb:
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There is no need to withdraw all the translations because we have the original Qur'an in Arabic any error in any translation can easily be detected by referring to the Original.

For your information the Qur'an has been translated into so many languages, Hausa,, French, Yoruba Urdu etc but no Muslim regard this as original Qur'an, For religious purposes e.g five daily prayers, Hajj etc Muslims are supposed to use the Arabic Qur'an.
Millions of Muslims who do not understand Arabic still learn how to recite Qur'an in Arabic in order to perform their Religious obligations.

The Qur'an was revealed by Allah in Arabic and it is perfect, however translations were done by human beings and they may contain errors depending on the knowledge, understanding, motive and other attributes of the author involved. For instance there is an English translation of the Qur'an by a Christian (George Sale) so are you saying muslims should accept whatever is written there as Qur'an?

Need I say anything more. Notice that all evidence provided comes from islamic sources itself. Not from the so called islamophobes. Islam is based on a lie and so much denial.


Ibn Umar al–Khattab: "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available" Suyuti, "The Itqan", part 3, p. 72


Ibn Kathir: "’Uthman burned the rest of the copies which were in the hands of the people because they disagreed on the (correct) reading and they fought among themselves. When they came to take ibn Mas’ud’s copy to bum it, he told them, ‘I know more than Zayd ibn Thabit (whom ’Uthman ordered to collect the copies of the Qur’an).’ ’Uthman wrote to ibn Mas’ud asking him to submit his copy for burning."

Binb:
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There is no need to withdraw all the translations because we have the original Qur'an in Arabic any error in any translation can easily be detected by referring to the Original.

For your information the Qur'an has been translated into so many languages, Hausa,, French, Yoruba Urdu etc but no Muslim regard this as original Qur'an, For religious purposes e.g five daily prayers, Hajj etc Muslims are supposed to use the Arabic Qur'an.
Millions of Muslims who do not understand Arabic still learn how to recite Qur'an in Arabic in order to perform their Religious obligations.

The Qur'an was revealed by Allah in Arabic and it is perfect, however translations were done by human beings and they may contain errors depending on the knowledge, understanding, motive and other attributes of the author involved. For instance there is an English translation of the Qur'an by a Christian (George Sale) so are you saying muslims should accept whatever is written there as Qur'an?

I am laughing myself wet. Let me see, you claim only your arabic quran is the so called untouched book but yet you have no problem with the english versions that clearly contradicts your claim. Oh my goodnes muslim. Again I have proven that your claim that the arabic quran is so untouched is a fallacy and you did nothing to counter that. All you made was an unsubstantiated claim. Youre really a joke and a bad representation of islam. Youre in denial muslim.

Imagine this, we have an original untouched quran in arabic but we have no problem with the contradicting english qurans. Wakakakak wakakakaka. Only a muslim will have such a thinking. Islam really robs the brains of commonsense

Binb:
so what exactly is your point? what has all those things you pisted got to do with preservation of the Qur'an?
I have proved to you that the Qur'an was well preserved hence we have only one Qur'an unlike bible that has multiple versions with plenty of differences.

I rest my case

Why didnt the islamic authority withdraw all the english versions if they are so factually incorrect?.

You cant explain it now you wanna claim arabic. What a joke. Are the english versions accepted by islam. Yes or No..

Still waiting on this answer muslim?

Binb:
so what exactly is your point? what has all those things you pisted got to do with preservation of the Qur'an?
I have proved to you that the Qur'an was well preserved hence we have only one Qur'an unlike bible that has multiple versions with plenty of differences.

I rest my case

Not so quick to rest yor case muslim. Youve proven nothing at all. All youve managed was denial. You didnt even address why Masuds copy of the quran wasnt used even though muhammad himself approved him as very credible. You couldnt prove that even your arabic quran was the so called original one. I have proven that it was altered and tampered with by Uthman before its compilation. I have proven that something is very wrong even with your current arabic quran. Why can islamic scholars and translators get it so wrong. They translate from the same so called arabic quran yet they get differences from it. Keep wishing that your eaten and crapped out quran is untouched. Shame poor muslim is in so much denial.

You claim you have ONE arabic quran but history and your own literature clearly shows you had quite a bunch of qurans that Uthman burned. And NO muslim they were not burned because they differed in dialect only, they actually differed tremendously.

So what have you proven. Absolutely nothing but wishful thinking. Your own Caliph burned allahs quran to hide the fact that they differed. No use sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and hope for the best. Laugh myself silly.

Binb:
@Murtadd, its like you have run out of ideas, otherwise I cant see how the above two posts you just posted have anything to do with the preservation of the Qur'an, if you want to prove that the Qur'an was not preserved simply bring two versions of the Qur'an, just like there are many versions of the bible e.g the protestants version has 66 books while the catholic version has 73 books, if you cannot, and you cannot then you have no point. There is only one Qura'an in use in the whole world from Saudi Arabia to Malaysia to Albania to America to Nigeria to Egypt, this is simlpy incredible!

On the issue of Dhul Qarnain, note that the different translations you quoted are mere differences in translations by different translators of the Qur'an, none of them is the Qur'an, they are mere translations of the Qur'an, Fortunately for Muslims we have the original Qur'an in Arabic which is one, unlike the Christian bible where the original is lost.

On the issue of sun setting on murky water or spring, if you don't understand a Qur'anic verse, the proper proper thing to do is to ask Islamic Scholars. If you want to properly understand that verse you need to read further up to 18:90 where it says that He (Dhul Qarnain) journeyed east and saw the sun rising upon a people. Now I don't think you will understand this rising upon a people literally, then why will you interpret setting in murky water literally. My understanding is that the two verses (both the one talking about sunset and the one talking about sunrise)are to be understood metaphorically.
Allah knows best.

Oh no not so quick muslim. Your own prophet in fact took these verses literally and not metaphorically.

Even if you read the versions of the quran I have quoted you can clearly see. Yusuf Ali says HE FOUND the sun setting.... Sher Ali has seen this blunder and try to correct it by changing his verse to state... AS IF.. Why didnt Sher Ali translate it exactly the same from your so called one arabic quran. Even the following hadiths clearly shows that muhammad himself understood it as literal..

“Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sun sets?’ He answered; ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water’” – al-Zamakhshari, The Kahshaf (3rd Edition, Vol. 2, p. 743, 1987) [1]


Sunan Abu Dawud 3991 —Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.


Even your tafsir is in agreement. Shall I quite them for you?

And you muslims so boldly claim allah knows best. How laughable indeed

Binb:
Spare me the story, if you still think there is another version of the Qur'an direct to where I can get one.

Nobody said English muslims are not muslims, but ask any muslim, when it comes to five daily prayers muslims recite only the Arabic Qur'an, you can not use English or French or Urdu translation. The only Qur'an is the Arabic Qur'an all others are translations Even during ceremonial swearing in of officials its the Arabic Qur'an that is used, It is also the one that is memorized in it entirety.
NB learn to make your points without insults, I really do not see any need of you using "siily and stupid" in your response

What. Im really trying to contain my laughing here. You claim all muslims recite the quran in arabic. Half of them dont even know arabic and merely recite it as partots. Now again muslim, where do you think the english versions comes from. It is supposedly translated from your "one" arabic quran. Then how the hell does your translators get it so wrong. This clearly proves that your "original" quran itself is dubious or unclear, hence the immense differences in translations. Why is the english qurans not an exact copy of the so called arabic quran.

You are cornered and cannot explain the english versions now you run and hide behind arabic. I do not speak arabic. Why then cant your translators translate an exact mirror copy of the arabic quran. What is the problem then. Are these translators guilty of bidah. Please dont make me laugh. Why didnt the islamic authority withdraw all the english versions if they are so factually incorrect?.

You cant explain it now you wanna claim arabic. What a joke. Are the english versions accepted by islam. Yes or No..

Binb:
Now that is precisely the point im making, where did you see you see "as if"
please see the relevant portion of verse 86: حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًا

and verse 90 حَتَّىٰ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَطْلِعَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطْلُعُ عَلَىٰ قَوْمٍ لَّمْ نَجْعَل لَّهُم مِّن دُونِهَا سِتْرًا

both verses contain the Verb "wajada ha"
Why should I go to Yusuf Ali's translation when I can refer to the Original? Unlike Christians we have the original Qur'an in pure elegant Arabic

Muslim your trickery to use arabic just shows your cumning. I have challenged yiu on the engkish qurans muslims. Now you wanna hide behind arabic. Only cowards do that. How many muslims fluently speak or read arabic. Another form of deception muslim. If thats the case you should blame your own translators for screwing islam. Your own islamic scholars didnt get the arabic conversion right and they supposedly spoke arabic.

So do you confirm that Yusuf Ali is a wrong version of your arabic quran. Wow muslim another nail in your islam english quran. Laugh my ass of muslim, you just confirmed what Ive been posting. The versions of your english quran is screwed and so are all the muslims who uses these versions. Wakakakak wakakakak another own goal neh muslim

IbnIslam:
I have fabricated things against God” is a Lie Against Prophet Muhammed Peace Be Upon Him.
October 16, 2008 — Nora's Sensation
Some pathetic non-Muslims use unreliable quotes from unreliable books. They quote the following from Al-Tabari’s book:



“I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken.”
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)

Response:

This is in fact such a weak and stupid argument made by some Christians , and they desperately and shamelessly use it to disprove the prophethood of Muhammed.

For starter, who is Tabari ?! Tabari was a HISTORIAN not a scholar, so he does not verify the narrations as we will read in the introduction of his book. Anyway, Islamic historians would simply compile all the known narrations about a certain event, regardless of how authentic or reliable each of those narrations were. They would copy the Isnads (chains of transmitters) into their books, in order that the Muhaditheen (scholars of Hadith) could determine which narration was Sahih/Hasan (authentic/good) and which was Dhaeef (weak) or even Mawdoo (fabricated). In other words, the historians compiled the narrations, and the Muhaditheen authenticated them. Therefore, based on the above, we find that Tareekh at-Tabari is simply a COLLECTION OF NARRATIONS on certain events; some of these narrations are ACCURATE, whereas others are NOT. The authenticity of each narration depends on the Isnad (chain of transmitters): if the narration was transmitted by reliable narrators, then it would be accepted as valid, but if it was transmitted by unreliable people, then the narration was to be disregarded. Tabari says in a disclaimer in the introduction of his book:

“I shall likewise mention those (narrators) who came after them, giving additional information about them. I do this so that it can be clarified whose transmission (of traditions) is praised and whose information is transmitted, whose transmission is to be rejected and whose transmission is to be disregarded…The reader should know that with respect to all I have mentioned and made it a condition to set down in this book of mine, I rely upon traditions and reports which have been transmitted and which I attribute to their transmitters. I rely only very rarely upon (my own) rationality and internal thought processes. For no knowledge of the history of men of the past and of recent men and events is attainable by those who were not able to observe them and did not live in their time, except through information and transmission produced by informants and transmitters. This knowledge cannot be brought out by reason or produced by internal thought processes. This book of mine may contain some information mentioned by me on the authority of certain men of the past, which the reader may disapprove of and the listener may find detestable, because he can find nothing sound and no real meaning in it. In such cases, he should know that it is not my fault that such information comes to him, but the fault of someone who transmitted it to me. I HAVE MERELY REPORTED IT as it was reported to me.(Tareekh at-Tabari, Vol.1, Introduction)” [ http://www.ahlelbayt.com/articles/islam/tabari ]



So this quote is a LIE against Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), not just that, but there were many lies invented by the hypocrites from among the Jews in order to REJECT prophet Muhammed. The people were certain that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the awaited one and to defend themselves, the hypocrites from the Jews invented such lies.

Inventing lies is not a big problem for the liars, this is their job. For example, the Prophet once recited some Surahs(verses from Quran) to the pagans in Makkah and prostrated to God Almighty at the end. The pagans who were speechless at the beauty of the recitation also prostrated. When the news spread to the leaders of the pagans, they were upset and were looking to take action against those pagans who had prostrated. In order to defend themselves, those pagans lied that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had said good things about their false gods. The lie was made to defend themselves.

If these Christians feel that the hypocrites were telling the truth and he really praised the pagan gods, then he must also accept the hypocrites around Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) who claimed the same for Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him).

Just like the hypocrites invented lies against the Prophets of the Old Testament (sinners, rapists, killers, incest performers, idol worshippers, nudists etc), they invented lies against Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) but the difference is that Muslims have rejected these hypocrites and have thrown them of their books .

Another thing, Muhammed peace be upon him was SINCERE, and he was called ”The Trustworthy” and “Truthful” before his prophethood, so how can he fabricate things on God, doesn’t make any sense, dose it ?!

Christians’ conclusion that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had Satan behind him just reminds one of the story of Lazarus when Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) raised him from death by the permission of God Almighty. The hypocrites around him stated that “the devil was behind him”. Such allegations have been labeled at Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as well and it is no surprise at all.



So this argument that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) openly said that he lied is just PATHETIC and CHILDISH as can be seen. Making use of the weakest of weak narrations is the job of the HYPOCRITES.



I bear witness there’s no god but Allah, and Muhammed is his final messenger..



And Allah knows the best..

Wow the way muslims will try and hide their deceit. Imagine this muslim so casually wanna say "Who is Tabari?

Tabari was indeed a prominent figure in islam. He brought the ummah great information of islam and also tafsir al Tabari which is commentary on the quran. So this man cannot be painted so casually as muslim want
us to believe. His works are very fundamental in islam.

Now lets examine Tabari's disclaimer that you so boldly rely on as a rebuttal. Tabari says in his disclaimer that he in fact only transmit what was reported to him. So in fact Tabari says in his disclaimer that he recorded both authenticated and none authenticated hadiths. So it will be false to assume that Tabari 6:111 is in fact false. From Tabari himself this might be true and also likely false. So this leaves the muslim still in another knot. How does he know its false. Nowhere does Tabari in fact say this hadith is FALSE. So this leave the muslim exactly where he started.

The muslim must now hunt for another source that in fact states that this hadith Tabari 6:111 is daeef or false. Tabari in actual fact washed his hand in innocence on this matter. He neither confirms or deny this hadiths authenticity. So muslim you have proven absolutely nothing at all. So we can still use this hadith to prove that muhammad confessed that he fabricated the quran.

You have once again failed to disprove anything muslim.

Binb:
@Murtadd, its like you have run out of ideas, otherwise I cant see how the above two posts you just posted have anything to do with the preservation of the Qur'an, if you want to prove that the Qur'an was not preserved simply bring two versions of the Qur'an, just like there are many versions of the bible e.g the protestants version has 66 books while the catholic version has 73 books, if you cannot, and you cannot then you have no point. There is only one Qura'an in use in the whole world from Saudi Arabia to Malaysia to Albania to America to Nigeria to Egypt, this is simlpy incredible!

On the issue of Dhul Qarnain, note that the different translations you quoted are mere differences in translations by different translators of the Qur'an, none of them is the Qur'an, they are mere translations of the Qur'an, Fortunately for Muslims we have the original Qur'an in Arabic which is one, unlike the Christian bible where the original is lost.

On the issue of sun setting on murky water or spring, if you don't understand a Qur'anic verse, the proper proper thing to do is to ask Islamic Scholars. If you want to properly understand that verse you need to read further up to 18:90 where it says that He (Dhul Qarnain) journeyed east and saw the sun rising upon a people. Now I don't think you will understand this rising upon a people literally, then why will you interpret setting in murky water literally. My understanding is that the two verses (both the one talking about sunset and the one talking about sunrise)are to be understood metaphorically.
Allah knows best.

Oh I nearly missed this one. Its si laughabke that muslim claim they have only ONE quran in arabic. I have proven that quran was already altered from the onset. You are sitting with an Uthmanic quran.

And another fact, you claim the only authentic quran is the arabic one yet hundreds of muslims dont know arabic. Does that mean english muslims are jnot real muslims with only half truths. See how stupid and silly you sound muslim. Youre in denial

The two verses as well as the ones that shows allah prays was translated from your so called arabic quran. So why then does the translators have differences. Shame try again muslim

Binb:
@Murtadd, its like you have run out of ideas, otherwise I cant see how the above two posts you just posted have anything to do with the preservation of the Qur'an, if you want to prove that the Qur'an was not preserved simply bring two versions of the Qur'an, just like there are many versions of the bible e.g the protestants version has 66 books while the catholic version has 73 books, if you cannot, and you cannot then you have no point. There is only one Qura'an in use in the whole world from Saudi Arabia to Malaysia to Albania to America to Nigeria to Egypt, this is simlpy incredible!

On the issue of Dhul Qarnain, note that the different translations you quoted are mere differences in translations by different translators of the Qur'an, none of them is the Qur'an, they are mere translations of the Qur'an, Fortunately for Muslims we have the original Qur'an in Arabic which is one, unlike the Christian bible where the original is lost.

On the issue of sun setting on murky water or spring, if you don't understand a Qur'anic verse, the proper proper thing to do is to ask Islamic Scholars. If you want to properly understand that verse you need to read further up to 18:90 where it says that He (Dhul Qarnain) journeyed east and saw the sun rising upon a people. Now I don't think you will understand this rising upon a people literally, then why will you interpret setting in murky water literally. My understanding is that the two verses (both the one talking about sunset and the one talking about sunrise)are to be understood metaphorically.
Allah knows best.

Oh you are familiarr with me. Thats good. I shouldve have known that you are the spammer with no obvious reply. Can you read?. Clearly those verses about the muddy pool is not the same. One says he found it setting and the other one says he found as if..... Read again muslim. Clearly youre in denial. Look specifically at Sher Ali and Yusuf Ali. They differ tremendously. Imagine one person say it is muhammad and the other says it appears to be muhammad. Those are different statements and not even similar. I have also proven this with my previous posting in allah prays. You have multiple versions of the quran as proven muslim

Lets look at more proof that the uran is not so well preserbwd and that its multiple versions do in fact differ in translations.

We all know that the sun cannot set in a murky or muddy pool on earth but allah seems to believe so in his quran, depending on the translation of course

We note in Yusuf Ali he clearly says in verse 86 that ... he found the sun setting in a spring of water. This is a definitive statement.
Notice how this verse is sanitised by Sher Ali who suddenly says ...he found it setting as if in a pool...

Im not gonna go further as you get the picture. The translation tried to disguise the fact that allah actually believes the sun sets in a muddy pool. Read for yourself and see that these verses differ from each other. So muslim tell me again the quran was preserved in its original form. Its a joke


Yusuf Ali:
[018:083] They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story."
[018:084] Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
[018:085] One (such) way he followed,
[018:086] Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

Dr. Munir Munshey
[018:083] They inquire about Dhul Qurnain. Say, “Here, I will tell you about him.”
[018:084] We established him firmly in the land and laid at his disposal the means to obtain everything.
[018:085] He undertook a mission
[018:086] And reached the land of the setting sun. He saw the sun setting behind the murky hot springs. And he found a people living there nearby. We said, “Oh Dhul Qurnain! You may punish them, or treat them nicely.”

Sher Ali:
‏[ 018:083 ] And they ask thee concerning Dhu'l Qarnain. Say, `I will recite to you something of his account.'
[018:084] WE established him in the earth and gave him the means to achieve everything.
[018:085] The he followed a certain way.
[018:086] Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water, and near it he found a people. WE said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, you may punish them, or treat them with kindness.'

Shakir:
[018:083] And they ask you about Zulqarnain. Say: I will recite to you an account of him.
[018:084] Surely We established him in the land and granted him means of access to every thing.
[018:085] So he followed a course.
[018:086] Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.

Pickthall:
[018:083] They will ask thee of Dhu'l-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him.
[018:084] Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave him unto every thing a road.
[018:085] And he followed a road
[018:086] Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

Sale:
[018:083] The Jews will ask thee concerning Dhu'lkarnein. Answer, I will rehearse unto you an account of him.
[018:084] We made him powerful in the earth, and We gave him means to accomplish every thing he pleased.
[018:085] And he followed his way,
[018:086] until he came to the place where the sun setteth; and he found it to set in a spring of black mud; and he found near the same a certain people. And we said, O Dhu'lkarnein, either punish this people, or use gentleness towards them.

Muhammad Al-Hilali & Muhsin Khan:
[018:083] And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: "I shall recite to you something of his story."
[018:084] Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything.
[018:085] So he followed a way.
[018:086] Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."

Palmer:
[018:083] And they will ask thee about Dhu 'l Qarnain, say, 'I will recite to you a mention of him;
[018:084] verily, we established for him in the earth, and we gave him a way to everything;
[018:085] and he followed a way
[018:086] until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a black muddy spring, and he found thereat a people.' We said, 'O Dhu 'l Qarnain! thou mayest either torment these people, or treat them well.'

Arberry:
[018:083] They will question thee concerning Dhool Karnain. Say: 'I will recite to you a mention of him.
[018:084] We established him in the land, and We gave him a way to everything;
[018:085] and he followed a way
[018:086] until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and he found nearby a people. We said, 'O Dhool Karnain, either thou shalt chastise them, or thou shalt take towards them a way of kindness.'

Khalifa:
[018:083] They ask you about Zul-Qarnain. Say, "I will narrate to you some of his history."
[018:084] We granted him authority on earth, and provided him with all kinds of means.
[018:085] Then, he pursued one way.
[018:086] When he reached the far west, he found the sun setting in a vast ocean, and found people there. We said, "O Zul-Qarnain, you can rule as you wish; either punish, or be kind to them."

Rodwell:
[018:083] They will ask thee of Dhoulkarnain [the two-horned]. SAY: I will recite to you an account of him.
[018:084] We stablished his power upon the earth, and made for him a way to everything.
[018:085] And a route he followed,
[018:086] Until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people. We said, "O Dhoulkarnain! either chastise or treat them generously."