₦airaland Forum

TayserMahiri:
People can be really stupid. Theres no way Kibera can house one million people. The population of Kibera at its prime was 170,000.

Lol, 1 million people in 2.5 sq. km and people are happy to agree with it to feel good about themselves. Practically, they're trying to say the population density of Kibera is 400,000 people per sq. km.

nwoke37:
Mexico's gdp is around $1.046. Nigeria's gdp is $405, Nigeria isn't a third of MExico gdp is your math is correct. it's more closer to half of MExicos gdp.
All i was saying giving Nigeria development compared to Mexico, Nigeria is not so bad off compared to Mexico. Mexcio in some areas like secrity is shittier than Nigeria surprisingly...

Well, it seems you're using 2016 figures and I am using 2017 projections which place Nigeria's GDP at a third of Mexico GDP.
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2017/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2016&ey=2022&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&pr1.x=70&pr1.y=10&c=273&s=NGDPD%2CPPPGDP%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2018/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?pr.x=67&pr.y=11&sy=2017&ey=2017&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=694&s=NGDPD%2CPPPGDP%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPPC&grp=0&a=

Doesn't make it any better for you anyway. Going by 2016 figures mexico GDP is 2.5 times Nigeria's GDP, not two times.

Once more, Nigeria is far faaaar faaaar behind Mexico in development. The country that's similar to Mexico is South Africa.

nwoke37:
No one really kept track of gdp or percapita before colinalism or before countries formed in Africa...

Keep in mind before colinalism AFrica was mostly small kingdoms and villages... There was harldy "countries" as you refer to today... So yea Mexico was a country before Nigeria... Nigeria in comparison to Mexico has developed much faster than Mexico has done.. Yet Mexico is still shitty

How come countries like South Korea Taiwan are equally young yet far ahead. You know I always want Africa to develop but we are always giving too many excuses we can't develop. We complain we were colonized, our resources were looted, we were enslaved blah blah blah while other countries developed. We all know the only reason Africa doesn't develop is our own corruption, nepotism and lack of discipline. The day we will realize that and stop giving excuses we will develop within a very short time.

nwoke37:
i hope you also realize Mexico is also one the most dangerous places in the world; it has the most dangerous city in the world...
WORLD FACTS
The Most Dangerous Cities In The World
Los Cabos

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html

Like i said for a country that is much older Nigeria, Mexico is only ding slightly better than Nigeria

Sure, Mexico is dangerous. But we are talking about economy, not security. Nigeria isn't much of a safe country too though..............and economically buddy, Mexico is not doing slightly better than Nigeria - it is waaaay better than Nigeria. Remember their GDP per capita is 5 times yours.

Nowenuse:
I just went through this pile of shit you wrote above.
You see the problem with you? You do not read and comprehend something very well before you start menstruating with your mouth and fingers.

I never said show me any country 80 million and above that is more progressive than Nigeria. I said show me one that is really progressive. It was never a comparative statement. It was a direct statement.
See the picture of my comment below (picture 1).

No 3rd world country in this world is absolutely free from poverty and a lot of basic challenges. There is a reason they are called 3rd world countries and whether Brazil, mexico, Indonesia or Phillipines they all fall under this category. That is why people from these countries risk it all to illegally migrate to USA and other first world countries in droves just like Nigerians do.

Fillipino and Indonesian women dominate prostitution and househelp workers in the gulf arabic nations and they battle hotly for these positions with your Kenyan sisters and my Nigerian sisters. I have watched countless documentaries of these South -east Asian nations and they really face the same challenges every typical 3rd world country faces!
Mexicans are ready to die in competition for all the menial jobs in the USA like picking grains, washing toilets, sweeping the roads, washing dead bodies, just like Nigerians do in Europe so I do not see much difference between the lives of these people and other third world countries.
That's why I told you that no middleclass Nigerian or African would accept a visa to these countries.
The inequality in all these countries are really terrible. They are all 3rd world middle income and low income countries. If that is progressive to you, then you need to go back to your alma mater and request to collect your school fees back.

Did you just say Germany was colonized by the Romans?
First of all, we are talking of modern colonialism and you take us thousands of years back? All in a bid to defend your dumbness?

Look at the 2nd picture below. That was the height of the Roman empire in the 2nd century AD.

Look at the 3rd picture below, that perfectly answers your stupidity. The Germanic and Nordic peoples (referred to as the barbaric tribes by Rome) never fully came under Roman control.
Can you see why I said you were a lost case?

Now that you have been exposed with Malaysia, you claim that you meant the Phillipines. A lesson for you to learn how to stop your mouth and fingers from menstruating faster than your reasoning.

I think I've schooled you too much today to continue going back and forth with you. The only extra think I would add to the schooling is - you talked of colonialism, you didn't say when. You thought Nigeria was doing so well when it didn't. You thought it was doing better than all other populous countries. You though Sudan was divided into two religions equally and thought many countries in the world were divided in a similar way. You thought Ethiopia was colonized. You thought Nigeria was doing badly because it has special problems that aren't present in other countries. I've schooled you in all that. Please copy paste this summary and thank me later. For now, I am done with you Mr. No-ones-anus.

nwoke37:
Both... Giving 200 years to develop Mexico should be way higher than Nigeria... America with its moe than 200 years to develop as well has the largest economy in the world... Even China that just really started developing is already beating Mexico

i mean Nigeria has only had 50 something years to develop yet we're only half of Mexico's gdp, and could catch up in a matter of a decade.. In a matter of years Nigeria would be among the top 20 economies in the world yet we're relatively young.. Plus Nigeria just returned to democracy only 20 years ago... Our democracy is very young

You're not a half of Mexico's GDP lol. You're a third and your economy isn't performing so well for you to be that optimistic. Remember your GDP has been shrinking since 2015. Remember you had 8 times Kenya's GDP in 2015 yet currently it's just 4 times Kenya's. Speaking of age, I think we Africans need to stop using this excuse already - it's taking us further behind. One is challenged into asking - where were Africans those 200 years when other countries were developing? Did Igbos, Yorubas and Hausas just pop up 50 years ago? Nah. That's no excuse. China is China and Nigeria is Nigeria, let's not mix issues.

nwoke37:
I was quoting your stats of the hdi.. you messed up

My bad. I've changed. It's the other way round.

nwoke37:
NairobiWalker2...

All i see in Mexico, is a bigger economy(2x bigger than Nigeria's) thus with a bigger gdp per capita. But from what i see Mexico is only slighlty better than Nigeria... Keep in mind that Mexico is more than 200 years old while Nigeria isn't even 60 yet... Using your logic Mexico shouldn't even be where it is today... it should be competing with European countries and even America... Same with Brazil

Are we talking of economy or age?

Mexico HDI is 0.762
Nigeria HDI is 0.514

Do you know what HDI is and what it means? If you don't, google it then come and tell me the same things you're telling me. (Hint - Algeria and Seychelles, the countries with the best living standards in Africa have an HDI of 0.782 while Central African Republic, the country with the lowest living standards in Africa has an HDI of 0.352)

nwoke37:
So what i see is Nigeria's hdi higher than Mexico's.. And Nigeria's gdp being $376 billion... And Nigeria's gdp per capita being $1,994.... whereas a quick google search shows Nigeria's gdp at $405 billion and its gdp per capita at $2,177.99...

Then again a quick google search puts Mexico poverty rate at 46.2%
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-poverty-idUSKCN0PX2B320150723

$376, $405 what difference does it make? It's still dwarfed by Mexico. (Nigeria's GDP has been shrinking, $405 is 2016 figure, $376 is 2017 figure)

You're talking of poverty rate and I'm talking of people living below poverty line. Poverty rate is subjective, people living below poverty line is absolute. Mexico's HDI is 0.761 which is actually of a country on the brink of joining developed countries. Nigeria's HDI is 0.514 - It's even lower than Kenya's and Tanzania's. I wonder what you're talking about.

nwoke37:
All i did was to type in low income areas in Mexico and pictures popped up... wasn't even trying, too easy

Mexico has supposingly one the of largest slums in the world...

NEZA-CHALCO-ITZA, Mexico
https://thelifeintheslum.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/5/6/15567382/1354825340.jpg
https://thelifeintheslum.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/5/6/15567382/9953521.jpg?428

Here's a website: https://thelifeintheslum.weebly.com/

Here's a webite showing the biggest slums in the world: https://www.straitstimes.com/world/africa/10-famous-slums-in-the-world-and-the-challenges-they-face

Egypt also has one of the largest slums in the world


And no the mexican slums don't look any better than Onitsha.... Looks more like Makoko

The houses are definitely very poor quality but it's nowhere as close to being as dirty as Onitsha. Again, you took a small of the worst part of NEZA-CHALCO-ITZA . Here are more photos of the slum. Even the planning itself is better.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/91/c5/4691c50c1844f4d5ac5c9269992852a1.jpg

2. I never said Mexico doesn't have poverty but comparing Mexico to Nigeria is just absurd. Mexico is comparable to Brazil, Philipines, Argentina etc. Remember South Africa also has the largest single slum in Africa and guese what? The slum is in Cape Town. Coincidentally, Cape Town is ranked the most developed city in Africa and South Africa the most developed country in Africa.

nwoke37:
I'm talking facts you keep showing picture.

Okay you want facts and not pictures right? Lets go.
Population
Nigeria - 186M
Mexico - 123M

GDP
Nigeria - $376 billion
Mexico - $1.25 trillion

GDP per capita
Nigeria - $1,994
Mexico - $10,021

HDI
Nigeria - 0.514
Mexico - 0.762

GINI
Nigeria - 43.0
Mexico - 48.2

People below poverty level
Nigeria - 60.9%
Mexico - 2%

Do you want me to continue?

Well as for Ibadan which you keep referring to, I see it as a slum
This report also deems it as a slum

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dpu-projects/Global_Report/cities/ibadan.htm

I'm sure you'll be happy now

Thank you then. I see now you see why it's laughable to compare Nigeria to Mexico when one of your largest cities is practically a slum yet the poorest city in Mexico, Juarez, is in better shape than your best cities.

Upper income housing in Nigeria looks more like this... After all we do have the richest man on the continent

This neigborhood has 24/7 electricity
https://i1.wp.com/i.imgur.com/CuH8YBw.jpg?resize=650%2C433
https://i0.wp.com/ynaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/dangote-mansion-718x404.jpg?resize=640%2C360
https://i0.wp.com/i.imgur.com/nX8kx.jpg?resize=662%2C442
https://kokofeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Mike-Adenugas-Banana-Island-Home.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PGZaURcgrU8/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.nigeriapropertycentre.com/properties/images/200498/1081184_200498-4-bedroom---for-rent-banana-island-ikoyi-lagos-.jpg
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https://i2.wp.com/kokofeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/A-mansion-in-Lagos.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--ZXwGJZchY4/UyeXarNehCI/AAAAAAAAV08/QuIvQD5xr6I/s640/blogger-image--24312015.jpg

I never talked about upper income. I talked about upper middle class. Read carefully. The houses you posted are awesome though.

nwoke37:
Keep in mind you're showing social housing bulit for low income earners in Mexico... This is also low-income housing in mexico
https://www.wheresthegringo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DSC03884.jpg
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/aerial-view-slums-mexico-city-poor-houses-favela-like-district-79089596.jpg
[img]https://theredphoenix.files./2012/03/11-3-manila_slums.jpg[/img]
[img]https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/slum-in-mexico-city-picture-id72384376?s=612x612[/img]
[img]http://propago.files./2009/03/slum-mumbai1.jpg[/img]

The first and second photos are slums in Mexico. As you can see, they're still way better of than Makoko or most of Onitsha.
The third photo is Jamaica
The last photo is Dharavi Slum in India.

You're trying too hard buddy. Please, kindly do your own research. Mexico is far ahead of any African country. I told you even South Africa can't compare to Mexico, leave alone Nigeria.

nwoke37:
Now i can contrast and show you social housing built for low income earners in Nigeria
https://www.africa-ontherise.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/cSzD3zt.jpg
https://i1.wp.com/nigeriarealestatehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/agents-in-Nigeria.jpg?resize=620%2C330
[img]https://bionerdsng.files./2017/05/house3.jpg?w=1400[/img]
https://nmrc.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/LagosHoms.jpg
https://www.propertypro.ng/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/rent-to-own-scheme.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0yrSPzz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SlhQeJ2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/13BnlBf.jpg

This is probably middle class housing in Kenya

Dude............you and I know this is not where poor people live in Nigeria. Sometimes you guys try too hard. I posted you photos of the kind of houses majority of low income earners in Mexico live in and you're bringing me photos of Lekki - an ambitious project that is under construction just like the many other projects in Africa acting as pilot projects to solve housing problems. Seriously. We all know the kind of houses low income earners live in in Nigeria.

MPSA:
I like your ugly head, That head is perfect, is like a hammer, I can do a good job with that head

His name is ugly too.

TayserMahiri:
Your boyfriend is the one lying and he has been busted.

Anyway, lets see what Naija can do. Only quote me when you score.

His boyfriend.

nwoke37:
If these countries are doing better, it's only slightly. Mexico with its high gdp per capita compared to Nigeria has a poverty rate of 50%... Nigeria has a similar poverty rate i believe around 60%... I could go on and on.
Apart from Mexico and Brazil, Nigeria has similar gdp per capita with the rest of those countries.

The only country i duff my hat to is Brazil with it relatively low poverty rate at 8.5%, plus its way higher gdp per capita, and a big economy

Like I said, don't just look at poverty rate - look at the definition of poverty in Mexico first. Mexico borders the US and is in North America, the definition of poverty in North America is not the same as the definition of poverty in Africa. When you talk of people living below poverty line (which is the constant African countries use) In Mexico it is less than 2% but people who are considered poor in Mexico are much more. Look at what they consider slums in Mexico for instance.
https://www.climatechangenews.com/files/2015/05/Pachuca-wik-commons.jpg
Now, look at where 'normal' Nigerians who aren't even considered poor live.
[img]https://niyiaderibigbe.files./2013/11/ibadan-city.jpg?w=500[/img]
Which looks better?
Look at where low-income earners in Mexico live (Ixtapaluca)
https://www.parquegaleria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/EX8230_43-1.jpg
Or these ones here in Atizapan
https://files.foreignaffairs.com/images/sponsored-countries/2016/06/27/illustrative_4.jpg
That is a solid upper-middle-class neighborhood in Nigeria. And did I tell you that the Mexico City GDP is larger than Nigeria's whole GDP? Now tell me is Nigeria really anywhere close to Mexico? Like I told you, even SA can't measure up to Mexico.

nwoke37:
Bro Philippines leave in droves from their country... Brazil has a huge security/crime issue going on(like Nigeria) and also has many slums. Many people from Mexico leave in droves to get to America.Mexico poverty rate is similar to Nigeria's at around 50%. Ethiopia is not as advanced as Nigeria, Ethiopia's gdp per capita is around $700 compared to Nigeria's which is around $2000. Vietnam is shitty as well(though getting better, they're the next China). Vietnam has similar gdp per capita to Nigeria at around $2000. Egypt has a gdp per capita around $3000. Many of the countries you mentioned are low income, low middle income like Nigeria, or high middle income. Those countries(like Nigeria) still have a long way to go. Brazil though is an outlier, it's one of the better countries.

I think you also forgot Indonesia with a gdp per capita around $3000

Dude, I already explained my case. Brazil has slums but I already showed you what a slum in Brazil looks like (practically better than your middle class housing). Like I said those countries are better than Nigeria. I didn't say they are all developed like Germany so yeah, they still have their own third world problems but they're better than Nigeria.................and I never said Ethiopia was more advanced than Nigeria. Perhaps if you focused and stopped reading posts with bitterness and bias, you'd understand a post better before you respond.

TayserMahiri:
Manze! I see that kind of behavior with Palestines. They get a real ass kicking from Israel and then celebrate that they won yet dozens of them have been killed and only one Israeli was killed. Its a coping mechanism when the opposition is just too sophisticated and unbeatable

Exactly.................there's one thing about such kind of people though - they have sycophantic cheerleaders. See, for the Palestines, practically the whole politically correct world and Muslim world is behind them and supports them in whatever move they make. Here, Nowenuse has some idiot called Obaboon. The fool follows him him around cheering him even when he makes the most absurd comments. That's why in his head he is a winner but to any functioning mind he's a fool.

TayserMahiri:
I would go back and check where you actually beat me in such an argument but I feel like a dinosaur doing so. You have never beaten me over anything and you know that my dear punching bag

Like I told him before, he's the kind of guy that can be knocked out completely yet still claim he beat you. Another one, you could cripple him, burn his house, rape his wife but he'll still claim he won.

Nowenuse:
So are you going to answer the question I asked you yesterday or you rather prefer bitter arguments?

Are you a troll that feeds on bitter arguments and negativity?

When someone is educating you it's not bitterness nor trolling lol. You should thank me for all this education I give you. Now you know there aren't many countries with over 80M people and those that exist, all of them are better than Nigeria economically other than India and Pakistan which are similar to Nigeria and Ethiopia and Bangladesh which are a little bit worse of than Nigeria. At least you know Mexico and Brazil are not Nigeria's pals when it comes to economy.

It's good you try to refocus on shallow things which is more like you. The Song is Ugandan and the language is Luganda mixed with Swahili.

Nowenuse:
You are a lost case

Look at your second paragraph, you mentioned Germany and Malaysia among your progressive countries that were colonized and above 80 million people and you claim to know anything? And since when did Malaysia a country of less than 35 million people become a country of 80 million people?

Lost case for educating you on things you have no idea about? Lol.............aren't you the one who said no country with over 80 million people that was colonized is more progressive than Nigeria? The problem with stupid people is, you educate them, they grow horns and think they're better than you lol. I intended to type Philippines - For some weird reason I always tend to confuse Philipines with Malaysia, I don't know why. You can look at my initial post when I was listing those countries though - I mentioned Philipines. Anyway, in your typical evasive techniques, you ignore all the things I corrected you (Ethiopia not being colonized but occupied and proving to you that all countries with over 80M people that were once colonized are equal or more advanced than Nigeria) you choose one simple error to focus on.

Who colonized Germany? Kikuyus?

See? You know no history my friend. FYI I happen to be a history enthusiast. Don't go their with me. Germany was colonized by the Roman Empire. Seems you read to respond and not to understand. I already mentioned that to you before.

Can you see where your desperation has landed you?

The only desperate person here is you. No wonder you keep mentioning it.

Mexico is progressive only on paper, the inequality in that country is sickening. A country where drug gangs and cartels control the govt of many cities and are even challenging the govt? Go and learn more about Mexico.

The only person who should learn about Mexico is you. Give me one, just one area that Nigeria beats Mexico. Just because you hear Americans ridiculing Mexico in their movies doesn't mean Mexico is crap my friend. Mexico is better than even South Africa, leave alone Nigeria. The HDI of Mexico is 0.76. I am definitely talking to a shallow thinket who can't reason beyond women's fashion and handbags. lol. What kind of fool thinks Nigeria can minutely compare to Mexico?

Same with Brazil, a very racist unequal country with some of the largest slums in the world. Recently the whole country stood still and people could not move for almost a week as drivers were on strike due to high Diesel prices. I have a pen friend from Brazil and she cries to me how she wishes to leave the country.

There you go again my lord. FYI, let me show you what that 'one of the largest slum in the world' looks like then you can come here and talk to me about Nigeria comparing with Brazil. See that? Yeah - that's Brazil's largest slum in Rio de Janeiro. Look at the roads - you can barely find roads that clean in Nigeria even in upper middle class neighborhoods. The Rio Favela is where Michael Jackson did that 'the don't really care about us' song. In Nigeria it could pass for a high end neighborhood considering you don't even consider those dumpshits in Ibadan as slums.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/1_rocinha_favela_closeup.JPG/375px-1_rocinha_favela_closeup.JPG
[img]http://4.bp..com/-JCdPcWzVbVQ/TcMHeqhMIJI/AAAAAAAAAgs/vsTMFOXbots/s1600/Niteroi1.jpg[/img]

One more fact - The GDP of Brazil's largest city - Sao Paulo is bigger than the GDP of Nigeria. The GDP of Rio de Janeiro is almost equal to Nigeria's GDP. So educate me now smart ass. FYI even South Africa can't compare to Brazil development wise. Educate me on how shitty Brazil is.

Save for USA and Malaysia which is now a high income economy based on PPP per capital, the rest are shitty middle income and low income countries who citizens are also leaving in droves.

It's Philipines, not Malaysia. And non of those countries is shitty lol. Show me a city in those countries that looks like Onitsha or Kano or Ibadan.

No Nigerian middleclass citizen like myself will accept a visa to any of those countries you listed except for USA.

That I doubt..............Nigerians die on a daily basis trying to get to other countries. One thing I'm sure of though, nobody from those countries would Fancy living in any Nigerian city.

theenchanter:
rent payment have it's pros n cons here, not all states n landlords accept annual rents at a go, some may decide to collect rents every month, some every quarter,some won't even mind to receive it irregularly as long as the rent is payed. It all depends on how it's negotiated with d landlord.

I don't know ur source stating surulere as practically a slum but it's not a slum and yes; Lagos rent is very high in Nigeria, there's no place in surulere that cost as high as 2m and above, it's around 600k for a 2br apartment per annum and a 3br may cost up to 1m.

I said some parts of Surulere are basically slums based on the photos of Surulere I find online.
I might not know the exact rents in Surulere because I don't live there but when I search online, I find many houses going for over 2M.

Nowenuse:
It seems like English is your problem.

No agent or site will advertise a monthly rent for instance. Mind you, I never said any agent will accept monthly rent from you, however on special cases, you can appeal for a quarterly or halfyear pay.
I did this while I was in my final year in the university in Benin. I had only 6 months left till I graduated and my rent expired. I explained to my agent and he saw reasons with me and accepted my half year payment. This does not happen on normal occasions, they are exceptions. I wonder what part of this english is so hard for you.

So how does this cra.p you posted explain the pros of annual rent pay if I may ask?

Yes, annual rents come with an immunity of 3-6 months quit notice before you can be forcefully evicted from your appartment. So in a case where I loose my job and my rent expires at the same time. I have some period of grace. You do not have this privilege under monthly pay of rent, do you?

In Kenya, there is a 3 months eviction notice so no. That's still not a pro, at least not worth it and it does not help poor people get housing either. Somebody who can raise KES 15K per month but can't raise KES 180K at once won't manage to raise 180K at once just because some 3 month immunity is offered.

How do you guys even live thinking of paying your rent every month? What if your salary was delayed for that month by your employer, what happens?

That's a question I should be asking you. You're straight out of college on your first job. Your salary is 100K Naira which is about the average salary for a fresh graduate in Nigeria. Annual rent in Sulurele is 700,000 Naira. How are you going to pay and you have nothing and you're straight from the University?
www.nairaland.com/attachments/5268042_vllkyt19tgdgoda0j_f7c289ca_jpeg3652ec4a9ef8c663d68f7d22c67c10f1
https://www.naij.com/1103088-this-graduates-earn-nigeria-starting-salary.html

In Nigeria, some people even delay their payment for many months by pleading, maybe after 6 months when the agent is tired of pleas, they are issued a quit notice and they enjoy another 6 months (making it 1 year free) before moving out Can that happen under monthly payment?

Dude, you're not saying anything. Just accept annual rent is too expensive for low class people. Even here in Kenya people delay with rent, monthly rent, and it can go for several months depending on how linient your landlord is. But when you rent a house for the first time you must pay rent in full plus a deposit amount which is a percentage of the rent or a full months rent.

If you think those sites are all hoaxes, then why don't you contact the agencies and have a friend in Nigeria go and confirm for you if they are real? Or better still come down yourself to verify? Cos I do not know what other info I can give you asides that.

I have already confirmed to you several things. There is no way the house you posted can cost an equivalent of KES 8K per month and definitely no way it's a low class housing (with a Pathfinder parked outside). If that's 8K per month then what is the rent of this which represent what most of Lagos looks like?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Lagos%2C_Broad_Street.jpg/1200px-Lagos%2C_Broad_Street.jpg

Nowenuse:
Some struggles are bigger and more overwhelming than others.

Actually you statement should read:- Some people are better at handling struggles than others.

Nowenuse:
I know all these things you wrote up here very well and more. I am a lover of history.
A good chunk of Ethiopia was occupied by the Italians and Ethiopia once fell to Italy, though for a short time.

No, I am not in a position to prove your love for history but one thing I can prove is, you don't know history. For one, if you knew, you wouldn't come up with your ridiculous assertion that no colonized country with over 80M people is doing better than Nigeria. You've probably googled this s**t about Ethiopia after I schooled you. Once more I school you, Ethiopia was not colonized. It was briefly occupied by Italians in 1936 - Occupation is not colonization. See? You don't know much history. You can google but it's easy to poke holes in someone who depends on google.

Asides America which is around 400 years old, you didn't really show me any large country which is advanced, did you?

Wow! You're really a special case aren't you? Now you're changing goal posts again like you always do. Now it's no longer about population and colonization but age of a country right? Anyway, most of the countries I mentioned are more progressed than Nigeria and the worst ones (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan et al) are at the same level with Nigeria. Let me name them for you - USA, Brazil, Germany, China, Mexico, Indonesia, Philipines, Egypt, Vietnam - they are all more economically progressed than Nigeria.

Sudan had a larger percentage of christians/Animists than Kenya have muslims. The south sudanese were also heavily united and occupied one uniform region.

I didn't say the ratios are exactly the same. I said the Sudan ratios aren't equal between Christian and Muslims like you claimed.

Kenyan muslims are not united or share a common region or cultures. The Swahilis to the coasts and the Somalis to the north, very untypical of the south Sudanese. So you see that the analogy is not there.

What are you trying to explain to me seriously? I prove to you stuff that you had no idea about and now you turn around and start lecturing me on the knowledge that I just gave you?

Tanzania was heavily Swahilized (unified) under one language by Nyerere and tribal differences were enliminated.
Do you know that a Southern Nigerian feels like a complete stranger in Maiduguri for instance? No language, culture or religious similarity. A southern Nigerian feels more welcomed in Cameroon or Ghana than Northern Nigeria.
All Tanzanians speak one language.

Like I told you before:-
The only reasons why countries develop are:-

1. Harmonious living amongst their people.

2. Culture of Discipline

3. Good management with low corruption.

4. Better resource management

You're simply telling me that your country has failed at all those.

Nowenuse:
No country is without it's struggles.
Some are just fortunate to be more uniform than others.
Uniformity creates a workable environment.
People of unlike minds may not always live in harmony.

That's exactly what I wanted you to realize so that next time a country performs better than Nigeria, you accept it's because you've underperformed rather than bringing up excuses like population, colonization, religion, civil war, ancient kingdoms, people not demolishing ancient houses and all the crappy excuses you've been giving on this thread.

frer8:
He's thick headed but he'll still argue on!

Sure he is. He just doesn't get it.

Nowenuse:
Payment of annual and monthly rents both come with their pros and cons. You should do more research to understand that.

There is no pros in annual payment of rent buddy, absolutely no single pro. I know many people who can comfortably pay KES 15K per month but ask them to pay the whole amount for the year (180K) and they wouldn't.

If you want a house for a period shorter than a year, you can have an agreement with your housing agent and you could pay for 6 months or 3 months. I have done that before.

An 'agreement'. Pretty convenient but it goes without saying that a Landlord would agree a 3 month pay when somebody else is offering a whole year's pay. Considering you normally pay annually, I'm pretty sure most landlords come with a disclaimer that one has to strictly pay a year's rent before being allowed into the house. Anyway, you lie so much that's why you keep contradicting yourself.

Nowenuse:
Hahhaha I laugh in swahili !

No goddamn part of Nigeria pays rent monthly! Except a house on a short lease which is not common at all. Rent is paid per annum.

Just accept defeat. Your desperation is stinking to the high heavens.

Private ownership of houses is predominant in Nigeria and different house owners have their conditions at times, especially when the demand is high.

Why the sudden change of heart sir? Isn't you the same person who said this?

Nowenuse:
Hahhaha I laugh in swahili !

No goddamn part of Nigeria pays rent monthly! Except a house on a short lease which is not common at all. Rent is paid per annum.

Just accept defeat. Your desperation is stinking to the high heavens.

and your friend added this?

nelxxy:
my friend shut up. That's yearly rent. Here Nigeria, we dont pay rent monthly. It is very hard to find

Anyway, like I said before, you're the kind of person who can say anything as long as you want your argument to stand.

Yeah, if you continue to search on different sites and agencies, you will find far cheaper houses in Surulere. Some sites only host modern expensive houses while others host a different range as I have showed you time and over.

The sites you give me are all hoaxes my friend. Lagos is know for it's high rent. I search for rent in Surulere and all I get is in the range of 1M, 2M, 3M with a few costing 500k or 700K and considering much of Surulere is practically a slum then those 500K are probably the slummish ones. It is preposterous for you to post here a big maisonette with an air conditioner and a Pathfinder parked outside claiming it's low class housing in Nigeria costing 350k Naira per year - like, are you so stupid you think everyone is stupid? What kind of a low class person can afford to drive a Pathfinder in Africa? Be careful before you post some of the things you post here. Use some common sense.

Nowenuse:
I have honestly given up on these arguments, I have a very busy week ahead and won't be available to continue this.
I hope I have clearly proven my points to you and others following and those who will subsequently follow.

Enugu is far more beautiful than you think it is, just free your heart of bad blood and check out threads of Enugu here on nairaland.

Which point have you proven? lol. I haven't seen any point other than you making absurd assertions that you can't prove.

Nowenuse:
A large population and extreme ethno-religous diversity.

How many colonized countries above 80 million people and above are really progressive? India? Philippines? Congo? Ethiopia? Egypt? Indonesia? Bangladesh? Mexico?
As old as countries like Brazil and Mexico are, they are still third world middle income countries

Apart from Tanzania which was heavily Swahilized (unified) by Nyerere. Can you show me another country in the world which is divided into 2 different religions equally that is stable?
Religion split Sudan, It split India. It almost split Lebanon.

It is very unfair for someone to compare Gulf arabic countries of a few million people which are very small 100% sunni muslim arab countries under a single monarch with a heavily populated multi ethnic, multi religious and multi linguistic country with different monarchs and unrelated cultures.

1. Ethiopia was never colonized. That alone is enough reason to ignore you for getting a simple fact wrong. I decide to help you though.

2. One, there aren't so many countries in the world with 80 Million people and above but those that exist, most of them were once colonized. Basically most countries were once colonized in their history - another fact you got wrong. The British colonized US, Japan colonized large sections of China, The British colonized parts of China too (which are interestingly currently the richest parts of China), Britain was once colonized by the Roman empire (though Britain has less than 80M people), Brazil was a colony of portugal, Mexico was a colony of spain, Indonesia was colonized by the Netherlands, Egypt was colonized by Britain and so was India and Pakistan, Iran wasn;t recently colonized but historically it was repeatedly colonized by different foreign powers the most famous one being Alexander the great's Macedonia, The British Colonized Bangladesh, Phillipines was colonized by Spain and the USA, Vietnam was colonized by France and Germany was once colonized by the Roman Empire. Basically the only countries with over 80 million people that have no records of ever being ruled by an external power are Japan, Russia and Ethiopia. Once again, you provided false information due to lack of knowledge and ignorance and probably shi.t.ty education.

3. Apparently again there aren't many countries that are equally divided into two religions. Even Sudan that you quoted was not equally divided into two. The Muslims were the majority just like Kenya where the Christians are the majority but we have a sizeable Muslim number. For one, if Sudan had equal Muslim and Christians perhaps they wouldn't have separated since the Muslims wouldn't dominate the Christians the way the did forcing the division. In fact the only countries I know that are divided into two religions equally are Nigeria and Tanzania. This means your only example is Tanzania and Tanzania is very stable. You have no reason to face instability due to religion. Once again, you proved your ignorance and lack of knowledge.

4. Population is never a reason to be underdeveloped. Many highly populated countries are developed.

Nowenuse:
Botswana is a very small country by population with a lot of rescources. They should be doing far better than they are now.

Angola which is comparatively bigger, I do not see anything special about them. They are not that developed.

Kenyans are still learners when it comes to tribalism.

Nigeria's tribalism led to a civil war that claimed about 3 million lives.
Thousands of lives are being lost every year in Nigeria due to ethnic and religious clashes.
Do you know that there are Nigerian cities that are polarized by religion? Muslims live on one side and christians on the other side? Has the division in Kenya reached that extent?
Do you know how many Nigerian towns and cities have been burnt to the ground due to ethnic and religious clashes?

Nigeria was Britain's experiment. We were never supposed to be a country.
Before colonization, the different Kingdoms that make up Nigeria were at war with each other. Some were trying to islamize the others.

Save for Ethiopia, I don't think there is another country in Africa or even the world where different warring Kingdoms and empires were amalgamated into one single country. Ethiopia wasn't even amalgamated like Nigeria.

Imagine Kenya being one country with Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi and Ethiopia. Imagine how chaotic it would be. That is what Nigeria is like.

It's unimaginable that you would ignore the effect of a civil war that claimed millions of lives and burnt down many cities and towns to the ground, displaced many more millions, coupled with decades of military rule AND you will call them common excuses.

You do realize you're just explaining why Nigeria is so messed up?

The only reasons why countries develop are:-

1. Harmonious living amongst their people.

2. Culture of Discipline

3. Good management with low corruption.

4. Better resource management

You're simply telling us that your country has failed at all those.

Nowenuse:
Gosh! Do you have a coconut for a brain?

Is that not the same Umoja where people pay 10k shillings per month for single bedroom apartments in concentration camp houses?

http://www.ghafla.com/crisis-how-housing-in-nairobi-has-become-a-nightmare-for-millions-of-city-dwellers/

I also showed you houses from propertyPro.com and not only OLX

The problem with you is using online blogs to make your conclusions. Everywhere in the world, even in the USA, people complain about low quality housing and cities generally. I could find you a million blogs of Nigerians complaining of high rent in Lagos. BTW you seriously need to read a book. Lagos is the second most expensive city in Africa on housing - I wonder why you keep denying that.

You also realize your yearly payment of rent locks out many Nigerians from accessing decent housing. Most low class people can't pay a year's rent at once. How do you guys even survive? Me for example, I rarely stay in a single place for more than one year continuously due to the kind of job I do. - I can imagine myself paying a years rent in Nairobi then staying for 6 months, move to Mombasa, pay a year's rent stay for three months, move to Eldoret pay a years rent, stay for one month - what a loss? How's do low income people even live with that? No wonder you have so many old poorly maintained houses in your cities. Below is an article of Lagos resident complaining and demanding monthly rent pay.
http://www.informationng.com/2016/04/house-rent-should-be-paid-on-a-monthly-basis-and-affordable-to-all-fct-minister.html

This one here explains that your continous laments of Nairobi catering only for the rich is actually projecting the sufferings of Lagosians and Nigerians. Apparently, your leaders don't care about poor people's housing.
http://saharareporters.com/2018/05/16/lagos-govt-chasing-away-poor-rich-otodo-gbame-evictees-lament

You even pay 5 year rent for business premises? How do poor people survive in Nigeria seriously? You're making me realize Nigeria is even more messed up than I thought.

http://punchng.com/traders-lament-shun-karu-market-over-high-rent/

Just like I said, the Surulere prices you've been posting are false. A three bedroom house in Surulere costs an average of 1.5M Naira - paid annually.
https://newtelegraphonline.com/2017/12/vacant-houses-high-rents-persist-lagos-abuja/