₦airaland Forum

Igboslayer:
Your biases are understandable, but still you need some education.

I will implore you to visit this site of the Episcopal Church and their relationship with the US Government and their role in Equity in implementing government’s gay policy in churches… this obviously you are ignorant of.

https://www.episcopalchurch.org/ministries/office-government-relations/ongoing-work/

The argument is about the right of the Church of Nigeria to promote anti gay agenda in communities that has institutionalized this ideas both as law and state policy with the episcopal church as the ready tool implementing it across the US and beyond. Remember Episcopal church is not only an Anglican thing.

You are all just too sentimental about Church of Nigeria nonsensical ideal in promoting it’s values in community where it has been rejected. Hence apportioning whether someone is right or wrong is beyond your understanding of the subject matter.

I have no bias in this. Rather, I am simply pointing out the errors in your posts and you keep shifting the goal posts in order to run away from those errors. Therefore, I am going to ask you direct questions. Let's see if you can answer them.

1) You claimed that the Episcopal Church is owned by the US State. Is this true? (yes or no will suffice).

2) Are there churches in the US and Canada that have pledged allegiance to churches in the global south, for example the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) and the Church of Rwanda? (A simple yes or no will suffice)

3) Are these churches forced to ordain gay clergy and conduct same sex marriages? (A simple yes or no will suffice).

I am not interested in any other arguments, I am simply pointing out the errors in your post and you will see these errors when you try to answer my questions (please don't run away from the questions).

Igboslayer:
Sorry you didn’t get the argument but rushed into conclusion that has no basis on the subject matter. You instead read the basis for the argument before you hastily jumped into conclusions to derail the subject matter.

1. Nobody deny whether there are Anglican churches controlled by the Church of Nigeria in the USA.

What we are discussing is that do they have enough influence to institute their no gay stance in the US and beyond. NO SIR. The Episcopal church of US and Church of England are owned and run by the state. They implement their policies.

Church of Nigeria only aligned with Anglican churches in the US and Canada that were never part of the Episcopal church or Church of England in the first place but churches that shared similar doctrine in opposing the gay right issues. They are in the minority.

2. The second argument is whether they will (Church or Nigeria) succeed in their anti LGBTQ in the US. For you information, they are in the minority in the US.

The Episcopal Church is the largest congress of Anglicans in the US, the Nigerian voice as seen in the video is just a minority there.

FIY do you know that in those African Anglican churches in the US, worship under police protection?

Oga so the history of those churches you tried to incorporate into the subject matter to sound knowledgeable do not impact on the facts the Nigerian churches, and their alliance will succeed in the US.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

The Episcopal Church of the United States is not owned by the US State or Government. It is a religious organisation, just like any other. They are also entitled to freedom of worship, just like any other religious organisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)

The US Government does not own any religious organisation (see separation of church and state).

For example, are you aware that these churches have the right to refuse to perform same sex marriage?

Anyway, I know that you are trying to flee from your earlier point. The point is that these churches have pledged their allegiance to the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) and other similar churches from the global south and they are no longer in communion with the Episcopal Church due to differences over gay marriage and ordination of gay clergy. These churches do not conduct same sex marriage, neither do they ordain gay clergy. Therefore, the guy you insulted is right and you are wrong.

Have a good day.

Igboslayer:
The Anglican Church in US is church of Nigeria ba…You can’t justify foolishness.

Igboslayer:
Mumu man don involve him father for stupidity. Your parent should be ashamed of you, for trying to use their name to justify your stupidity…

Nigeria church will succeed in promoting anti LGBTQ agenda in the US that has a law in place promoting it…. You are not wise obviously.

He is absolutely and totally correct and you are completely wrong (in fact, you don't know what you are talking about).

There was a crisis in the Anglican Communion in the early 2000s when the Episcopal Church (that is, the Anglican Church in the US) wanted to ordain gay clergy. Several clerics in the developing world, most notably, Archbishop Peter Akinola, the Primate of the Church of Nigeria, Anglican Communion, were opposed to the ordination of gay clergy and they demanded that the Epsicopal Church should be expelled from the Anglican Communion. This almost broke the Anglican Communion apart.


Some Anglicans in the United States and Canada, who do not agree with the ordination of gay clergy, decided to transfer their loyalty and allegiance from the Episcopal Church in the US and the Anglican Church in Canada to dioceses in the developing world. Some declared their allegiance to the Church of Nigeria, some declared their allegiance to the Church of Rwanda, etc.

That's one of the issues behind the conflict in this church. One of the groups in this church (led by Bishop Unigbe) have declared their allegiance to the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), while the other group (led by the visiting Bishop Ken Ross) has declared its allegiance to ACNA.

Next time, instead of insulting people, seek knowledge when you don't know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_Church_in_North_America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvit5yiZag