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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:54am On May 17, 2016

@Kobonaire grin

Once again you failed to answer my question, but that's no problem, I'll answer my questions, your question and all the questions perfectly before I go.

(But by the way, stop using Dongfeng as an example. Most Innoson vehicles have nothing to do with Dongfeng. Go read about GAC GoNow and BAIC).

These are elementary principles of business, economics and manufacturing. The production process is not complete until the product has been made into a form in which it can be used by the final consumer. Give Innoson customers the transmission, it will be completely useless to them (unless you are in the spare parts business), give them the engine, it will be completely useless to them, but give them a complete car and they can use it. Assembly is a legitimate part of the production process.

That's why you cannot say that BMW made the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph, despite the fact that it made the engine, neither can you say that it was made by Saarbrucken, despite the fact that they made the transmission. The car was made by Rolls Royce Motors. I'm not talking about any other car, but this specific car (the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph).

Your problem is that you cannot understand that automobile assembly is a legitimate part of the production process and that a car has not been made until a car has been made.

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Car Talk › Re: Which Is Better, Leather Seat Vs Cloth? by naptu2: 7:52am On May 17, 2016

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:08am On May 17, 2016

kobonaire:
I have answered your question. That you cannot comprehend it is beyond what I can do for you.
I am sorry but you are beating around the bush creating phantom scenarios. Try and dispute the following statements:
Innoson does NOT design/make engines
Innoson does NOT design/make transmissions
Innoson does NOT design/make car bodies
Innoson assembles CKD automobiles from China.
You can clap your hands in amazement that they source batteries and tyres locally but I'm sorry such engineering feats have been in existence since the 90s in Nigeria
An automobile manufacturer is generally judged on its worth by it's engineering that goes behind its engine, suspension, transmission, body design etc.
When you browse Toyota/Ford/Volkwagen's websites do you see them proudly talk about the tires and batteries?? Heck no, their pride is in their original engines, transmission and auto body design etc ..... go have a look.
These are some simple concepts that you can read up more here automobile engineering.

kobonaire:
Tell me of a car manufacturer that does not design/make it's own:
1) engine
2) transmission
3) car body design
You are confusing car assembly with car manufacturing which explains why you are literally drooling over the fact that Innoson sources the batteries and tyres locally while conveniently ignoring that fact all the major critical components are assembled from CKD auto kits from Dongfeng.

Hahahahahahahaha

1) You know that you have not answered my question because in order to answer the question you would have to state who made the car. The question was, "who made the car" in my example? You have not answered that question. It's a very simple and straightforward question.

2) You have further proved my point that (a) it's because these cars were assembled in Nigeria and (b) it's because they have parts from pre-existing cars, that's why you talk about me "drooling over innoson". I've been having these debates for 25 years now and innoson did not exist then.

Now please try and answer the questions

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 4:49am On May 17, 2016

kobonaire:
Your concept is NOT what Innoson is doing.
Here are some facts for you
1) Innoson is doing assembly of vehicles using CKD kits from China.
2) None of the car designs were done by Innoson.

Unless you have a comprehensive argument (with facts), I will not waste my time clapping my hands because Innoson sourced the battery, tyre or brake pad locally. When Innoson designs/engineers any of these : Engine, Tranmission or auto body then I will laud their authenticity. All their cars are replica models of Chinese cars. Try and dispute that.

You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you to "clap hands" for Innoson. Please try and answer the question. Don't try and avoid it.

Here's another one to go with my earlier question (but please don't avoid my earlier question. Try and attempt both).

naptu2:
To make it all very simple, I'll give a short explanation, then I really have to go.

The fact that you've made an automobile engine, does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile engine.

That fact that you've made an automobile transmission does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile transmission.

The fact that you've made automobile tyres does not mean that you've made a car.

You've made a car when you give part suppliers specifications of what you want, they deliver the parts and you put it all together in such a way that a person can drive it. That's when you've made a car. Otherwise, you've only made car parts.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:02pm On May 16, 2016

Ilovemystate:
This guy you are trying all your treacherous ways to pull Innoson down with you posts, I have gone through your posts and I know the jealous tribe you came from, go back a watch the video clip and show us VON, BAN video let and know what make Innoson assembling plant, you are treacherously what to rubbish the first car manufacturing plant in Nigeria

It's very funny to me that you can't even realise that it's quite the opposite of what you are saying.

People are saying that Innoson vehicles have no local content and I'm arguing that they do.

People are arguing that Innoson is just assembling cars and I'm arguing that he is making cars.

But this is all that you can understand from the debate. Truly comprehension is a problem.

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 6:49pm On May 16, 2016

kobonaire:
1) I keep stressing it because of the misleading marketing that Innoson employs hiding the fact that they do assembly of CKDs.
2) RollsRoyce, Ford, BMW, Toyota etc have all done collaboration projects sourcing engines from other manufactures. However the most important things is that they have also designed and manufactured their own engines, transmissions and bodies.

Till, Innoson designs/makes their own engine, tranny, body design, they are just an assembly house.
I completely respect Innoson for what they do but for Nigeria's auto technology and economy. I am just stating facts.

Please answer this question before I go further.

naptu2:
I have debated this issue many times in the past 25 years and in my opinion, the only reasons that it generates controversy are:

1) It's assembled in Nigeria.

2) It has parts from a pre-existing car.

Now, imagine that I wanted to make a car. I've got the money and I set up my factory in Gothenburg, Sweden and I hire

1) Pininfarina to design the car

2) Detroit Diesel or BMW to make the engine

3) Zagato or Pininfarina to do the coachwork.

4) Saarbrucken to do the transmission.

5) Michelin to make special tyres for it

Etc

And I bring it all to my factory in Gothenburg, assemble it there, slap my badge on it and name it after myself, would you say that I did not make the car? If I didn't make the car, then who did?

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 6:19pm On May 16, 2016

I have debated this issue many times in the past 25 years and in my opinion, the only reasons that it generates controversy are:

1) It's assembled in Nigeria.

2) It has parts from a pre-existing car.

Now, imagine that I wanted to make a car. I've got the money and I set up my factory in Gothenburg, Sweden and I hire

1) Pininfarina to design the car

2) Detroit Diesel or BMW to make the engine

3) Zagato or Pininfarina to do the coachwork.

4) Saarbrucken to do the transmission.

5) Michelin to make special tyres for it

Etc

And I bring it all to my factory in Gothenburg, assemble it there, slap my badge on it and name it after myself, would you say that I did not make the car? If I didn't make the car, then who did?

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 4:54pm On May 16, 2016

To make it all very simple, I'll give a short explanation, then I really have to go.

The fact that you've made an automobile engine, does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile engine.

That fact that you've made an automobile transmission does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile transmission.

The fact that you've made automobile tyres does not mean that you've made a car.

You've made a car when you give part suppliers specifications of what you want, they deliver the parts and you put it all together in such a way that a person can drive it. That's when you've made a car. Otherwise, you've only made car parts.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 4:29pm On May 16, 2016

kobonaire:
FACT: Innoson does not engineer or design any single vehicle they assemble.

FACT: For you to be an auto-manufacturer you have to be able to design/engineer your own vehicles.
If Volkswagen contracts out a particular model then that is fine. Volkswagen is an established. Auto designer and manufacturer. Innoson as not engineered an single vehicle till date.

FACT: The critical components of a vehicle apart from it's design, are the engine, transmission, and body. None of these which Innoson does.

Whether it's assembly done for Dongfeng or BAIC it is still the same thing .... a CKD assembly. The fact that they source batteries, car tyres locally means that's the same thing PAN, VOA have been doing with the only difference that they Innoson sticks their label.

1) You keep stressing that what Innoson is doing is the same as what PAN, VON and Anamco did, I wonder why. I have not at any time said that it was in any way different, so I don't know why you keep repeating it.

2) You have the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph (1988). The engine was made by BMW, the transmission was made by Saarbrucken. By your logic, that means that the car was not made by Rolls Royce Motors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Silver_Seraph

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 4:24pm On May 16, 2016

Siena:
[color=Blue]Naptu, you bring a lot of sanity and maturity without letting emotion get in the way, I like that.

The Volkswagen Sharan was a joint collaboration with Ford, who built a similar vehicle, the Ford Galaxy. However, there were differences.

The switchgear was Ford and Volkswagen, the instrument cluster was Volkswagen, the body shell was a mix of Volkswagen and Ford.

All the engines in the Volkswagen Sharan were Volkswagen units, so were the all the automatic transmissions, which were also fitted to all automatic variants of the Ford Galaxy. Only 2 engines in the Ford Galaxy were Ford units. The manual gearboxes on both the Volkswagen and Ford MPV's were supplied by Ford.

Volkswagen Sharan engines:

1.8T I4 DOHC 20V turbo - Volkswagen.
2.0 I4 SOHC 8V - Volkswagen.
2.8 VR6 SOHC 12V - Volkswagen.
2.8 VR6 DOHC 24V - Volkswagen.
1.9 TDI I4 SOHC 8V - Volkswagen.
2.0 TDI I4 DOHC 16V - Volkswagen.

Ford Galaxy engines:

2.0 I4 DOHC 16V - Ford.
2.3 I4 DOHC 16V - Ford.
2.8 VR6 SOHC 12V - Volkswgen.
1.9 TDI I4 SOHC 8V - Volkswagen.

This was a true collaboration in every sense of the word, rather than a Volkswagen with a Ford badge simply slapped on, and vise versa.

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Apologies for the delay. I've spent way too much time on nairaland and it's beginning to affect my day.

I agree with you totally. Innoson vehicles are also not a case of Innoson badges being slapped on another car. For that to be true, 100% of the components of the cars must have been imported, which is not the case.

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 3:30pm On May 16, 2016

agalamanyi:
please educate me on the version of the Chinese car he prototyped in the model?

The problem is that I'm afraid of the anti-spam bot, so I won't post links, but I'll still try and explain it to you.

Go back to my post (the one you quoted). The first picture in that post is the GAC-GoNow G5. That is made in China by GAC. The second picture is the IVM G5. That is made in Nigeria by Innoson. Now, google GAC G5.

You can also search for the GoNow GA200 and then search for the Innoson GA200.

There's also a car called the GAC Taxi. Innoson initially introduced it as the Innoson Taxi, but nigerians didn't like the name, so they changed it to Innoson Umu.

Anyway, I know that the spambot doesn't attack Wikipedia links, so I'll post links to Wikipedia articles. Check these links.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonow

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAC_Group

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 3:11pm On May 16, 2016

I was watching the NTA Network News at 9 one day in 1989 and I saw the Malaysian ambassador to Nigeria present President Babangida with the first malaysian made car, a Proton Saga, at Dodan Barracks. Babangida drove the car around Dodan Barracks.

There were massive complaints in the newspapers the next day. They complained that Malaysia came to Nigeria in the 1960s to study how we produced our palm oil, yet they had become the biggest producer of palm oil in the world and were now producing cars, while we were producing nothing.

The truth is that the Proton Saga was a badge engineered Mitsubishi Galant and PAN's Peugeot 504 had more local content in it than the Proton Saga.

Proton made badge engineered Mitsubishis from the 1980s to the late 1990s, but it now produces its own locally designed cars. It used the knowledge it gained from producing Mistubishis to eventually make its own wholly designed and indigenous cars.

Many car companies go into partnerships in the same way in order to learn how to produce things and gain technical know-how.

BMW had always wanted to make SUVs and cheap small cars. It bought over Rover and learnt how to make quality SUVs from Land Rover and how to make cheap small cars from Mini.

Mercedes Benz always wanted to make super cars and cheap small cars. It's venture with Swatch didn't work, so it bought Chrysler in order to learn how to make cheap small cars.

It went into partnership with Mclaren in order to learn how to make supercars (Mercedes made the first ever supercar, the 300SL Gullwing, in 1952, but it had not had success with supercars since). Maclaren had made the Maclaren F1, the fastest car in the world in the mid 1990s. They eventually made the Mercedes-Mclaren SLR.

Samsung always wanted to make luxury cars. They went into partnership with Renault and produced the Renault-Samsung SM series, which has Nissan parts and Mercedes engines.

There are very many examples of such collaborations.

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 2:43pm On May 16, 2016*

kobonaire:
All major car makers design and engineer their vehicles. That is the most important thing that is done in automobile engineering. They then set up assembly plants all over the world.

Innoson does not design engineer a single vehicle. Everything is done by Donfeng Motors in China who then supply Innoson CKD kits for re-assembly in Nigeria with the contractual agreement to put Innoson's logo on the car. This has been done by Pegueot and Volkswagen in Nigeria since the 70s.

1) Not all major car companies design and engineer their vehicles. These are sometimes contracted out. See the example I already provided of the Volkswagen Sharan. The first generation Volkswagen Sharan was also made by Ford as the Ford Galaxy and by Seat as the Seat Alhambra. Ford, Volkswagen and Seat are major car companies. The first generation Volkswagen Santana GX was known as the Nissan Santana in Japan, the Ford Versailles in America and the FAW Santana in China. You can't tell me that Ford and Nissan are not major car companies. And there are many more examples.

2) Innoson vehicles are not all Donfeng vehicles. In fact, most of their vehicles are made in partnership with BAIC (the SUV that is the subject of this thread is a BAIC BJ80), GAC GoNow, etc.

3) Innoson vehicles are also modified to fit nigerian roads and many of the parts are made by nigerian companies (most of which are based in Nnewi). For example, the plastic that's used in Innoson vehicles is made by Innoson Technical and Industrial Co. Ltd. and other parts are made by Ibeto, Chicason, Omata, etc.

4) I totally agree with you that PAN, VON, Anamco have already made cars in Nigeria. I witnessed when these plants were in full production. I remember when Peugeot produced their first Peugeot 504 that had 50% nigerian components. The suppliers included ISO Glass Ibadan, which supplied the automotive glass for the windscreen, nocaco, which supplied the wire harness, Michelin Nigeria, which supplied the tyres (Michelin had 3 or 4 rubber plantations in Nigeria, including one at the Edo-Ondo border, and they made the tyres in their factory in Lagos), the car seat company in Kaduna (I can't remember its name), etc. The part suppliers included companies that made the automotive batteries, lubricants, clutch cables, mudguards, wiper blades, brake pads, automobile paints, exhaust pipes, etc And I also remember what happened to the nigerian companies that made those products when those assembly plants collapsed.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 1:55pm On May 16, 2016

agalamanyi:
Innoson has been producing cars, though of poor quality but it has been selling he does not need to copy others, originality sells, he can't be doing like china phone.
Did he have to copy people when National Population commission got his cars? NO
Did he have to copy people when Gov. Obiano got 200 of his cars and shared to traditional rulers in Anambra state? No bro
If didn't even need to copy when FG bought his bus for mass transit , even Ben Bruce got his car for personal use and for the silver Bird group, now he came up with this Mercedes body type, Jeep face type, Is he going back or forward? Iru Fanta, Okpa Coke.

All Innoson vehicles that have been produced so far are Nigerian made versions of chinese vehicles. For example, the SUV that Ben Bruce got is a Nigerian made version of the GAC GoNow G5.

GAC GoNow G5

https://global.gacgonow.com.cn/Templates/Browser/images/g5/g5_color05.jpg

IVM G5

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1374659_20131021003637295_jpg46c2adbff508fc26adb257f9dc52e208

https://innosonivm.com/uploadfile/20120113133908197.jpg

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 12:36pm On May 16, 2016*

GuyfawkesAB:
You guys should cut us some slack.
You are quick to play the victimization card.

The chinese are still battling several lawsuits because of imitation. Their government have been protecting them He should be careful because the Nigerian government might not shield him like the Chinese are doing for their manufacturers, albeit illegally.

What would it cost him to engage auto designers for some originality?

Nobody will ban anything for anybody. Was importation banned to help PAN, Steyr, or Leyland to sell their vehicles?

He should brace himself for business with good production and marketing strategies, especially something to attach to the Nigerian identity.

1) Most of those chinese companies are not avoiding lawsuits because their government is protecting them. Rather, they are not being sued because the european, japanese and american auto companies have shares in them and the cars are being produced under license.

What you are saying is just like saying that Peugeot-Citroen will sue Peugeot Automobile Nigeria (PAN) for producing Peugeot cars.

Beijing Benz is 50% owned by BAIC and 50% owned by Mercedes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAIC_Group

2) Innoson will only be sued if the cars are being produced without the permission of BAIC.

Companies around the world badge engineer cars and produce cars under license. It's nothing new.

The car that was called Daewoo Racer in Nigeria and South Korea was also known as the Opel Kadet in Germany and Pontiac LeMans in America.

The first generation Volkswagen Sharan was also the Ford Galaxy in America and Seat Alhambra in Spain. It's nothing new.

Do you have proof that Innoson is producing these vehicles without the permission of Beijing Benz?

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Politics › Re: Maryam Tambuwal Pays Fine For The Release Of Prisoners, 30, In Sokoto (photos) by naptu2: 11:00am On May 16, 2016

This thread will expose those who rush to comment without actually reading the article.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 10:35am On May 16, 2016

Ilovemystate:
His vehicles is becoming more popular

naptu2:
IVM 6800
https://innosonivm.com/uploadfile/20110418215721736.jpg

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3372566_caed8nuviaq4elu_jpeg9e2fecc59b003438d81207e789c9449b

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3372567_caed8kjusaijbtj_jpeg1cdfa5d1b9e20ec605d81a9b8ab2a231

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 10:32am On May 16, 2016

Ilovemystate:
His vehicles is becoming more popular

Yeah, I already know that. Many government agencies (including the armed forces and the FRSC) and many private companies (including Silverbird) use his vehicles.

(It makes me personally happy because I first knew him when he was assembling motorcycles and he had his wharehouses in Apapa and Shomolu. It's satisfying to see how far he has come. He was a very humble man then and I'm very happy that he is still humble, despite the success he has achieved).

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 10:22am On May 16, 2016

amtaken:
Can you produce toothpicks?

What the heck does that mean??

Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 8:13am On May 16, 2016

For those screaming "lawsuit" and saying that Mercedes Benz will sue Innoson, I can bet you that there will be no lawsuit.

There will only be a lawsuit if ideas are taken without permission, so how do you know that permission was not granted to innoson (to use those ideas)?

This SUV is a nigerian version of the BAIC BJ80. The Beijing Automotive Industry Holdings Co (BAIC) has a lot of joint ventures with Daimler (Mercedes Benz), including Beijing Benz and Beijing Foton Daimler.

The Innoson 80 SUV is manufactured under license from Beijing Benz which makes the BAIC BJ80.

The front grill of the vehicle, which some have wrongly attributed to the Hummer SUV, is actually from Jeep (take a look at Jeep Wranglers, Jeep Cherokees, etc). BAIC also previously had agreements with Jeep and that's why there are design cues from Jeep on the vehicle.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:54am On May 16, 2016

The designs of Innoson vehicles are sourced from China (especially from GAC GoNow), but quite a lot of the parts are made in Nigeria (especially in Nnewi) by companies like Ibeto Group, Omata Holdings, Chicason and Cutix Cables. The plastic that's used in Innoson vehicles is made by Innoson Technical and Industrial Co. Ltd.

Examples:

GAC GoNow G5

https://global.gacgonow.com.cn/Templates/Browser/images/g5/g5_color05.jpg

IVM G5

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1374659_20131021003637295_jpg46c2adbff508fc26adb257f9dc52e208

https://innosonivm.com/uploadfile/20120113133908197.jpg

The SUV on the first page of this thread is a nigerian version of the BAIC BJ80

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:38am On May 16, 2016

kobonaire:
Good new vehicle assembly project.

1) The assembly plant is not new.

2) All major car makers run assembly plants. They do not make all the components of the vehicles themselves (for example, most of the parts of the Mercedes Benz G Class are made by Steyr.

3) A lot of the parts that are used to make Innoson vehicles are made by other manufacturers in Nnewi.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:27am On May 16, 2016*

sauceny:
Kudos to him,Nigeria is progressing on the right track...

The car is an imitation of Mercedes Benz G-wagon

MrCasper:
Looks like both hummer and G-wagon to me...Not very creative. Nothing personal.

poyet:
Isn't this a rip-off? I mean for real! In as much as I fill proud about Innoson's innovation, I think this a carbon copy of Mercedes G Wagon. Won't they be sued for this? Isn't this a rip-off? I mean for real! In as much as I fill proud about Innoson's innovation, I think this a carbon copy of Mercedes G Wagon. Won't they be sued for this?

chronique:
I hope he isn't slammed with a lawsuit by mercedes for copyright infringement cos if it happens,that would be the end of innoson motors. This is pure immitation.

Slymonster:
am disappointed...this is not creative please,haba...A pure replica of G.wagon

It's actually a nigerian version of the BAIC BJ80

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NdIXQPNb_xA/maxresdefault.jpg

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:23am On May 16, 2016

Toosure70:
one advice for this man, why not try Keke for now and see how Nigerian will patronise you.

He already produces motorcycles and tricycles. He was producing motorcycles and tricycles when I first knew him (1998) before he started making cars.

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Car Talk › Re: Innoson Vehicle Manufacturing Roll Out Latest Product by naptu2: 7:17am On May 16, 2016

He should discuss with his partners (GAC GoNow) the possibility of producing hybrid cars in nigeria (especially solar-petrol cars). He would make a killing (especially with the increase in the price of petrol).

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Nairaland General › Re: Lagoons, Rivers, Creeks And Other Waterways In Lagos. by naptu2(op): 3:09pm On May 15, 2016*

luvmijeje:
Naptu, thanks. This is very informative and educative. I never knew the slave returnees contributed so much to the development of Lagos. I've always thought the British single handedly built Lagos pre-independent.

It's saddening that our educational system is selling short their contribution while over hyping the contribution of the British.

I was trying to remember this man's name yesterday, but I couldn't. Then today, as I'm about to go out, I suddenly remember his name.

There are many returnees that contributed to the growth of Lagos, but I'm going to use him as an example because his story is related to many of the events that I wrote about yesterday.

1) Captain James Pinson Labulo Davies

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/A_portrait_of_James_Pinson_Labulo_Davies%2C_photographed_in_London_in_1862.jpg

JPL Davies was born in Bathurst, Sierra Leone. His parents were from Abeokuta, but they had been captured and sold into slavery. They were eventually rescued by the british naval squadron and taken to Sierra Leone.

He attended CMS Grammar School in Freetown, became a teacher and eventually enlisted in the Royal Navy. He was a lieutenant on HMS Bloodhound when it bombarded Lagos in 1851. He was wounded in action during the bombardment. He retired from the navy in 1852 and became a merchant ship captain and eventually settled in Lagos in 1856.

CMS Grammar School

JPL Davies was a good friend of Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther and he provided the seed funds for the creation of CMS Grammar School (the first secondary school in Nigeria) in April 1859, when he provided £50 (equivalent of about N 1.34 million as of 2014) to buy books and equipment for the school. With the seed funding Macaulay opened CMS Grammar School on June 6, 1859 (remember that this was before Lagos was colonised. The treaty of cessation was signed in 1861).

In 1867, Davies contributed another £100 (N2.68 million as of 2014) toward a CMS Grammar School Building Fund. Other contributors to the CMS Building Fund were non Saros such as Daniel Conrad Taiwo AKA Taiwo Olowo who contributed £50. Saro contributors also included men such as Moses Johnson, I.H. Willoughby, T.F. Cole, James George, and Charles Foresythe who contributed £40. The CMS Grammar School in Freetown, founded in 1848, served as a model.

Cocoa farming

JPL Davies was also the first cocoa farmer in West Africa. He obtained cocoa seeds from a brazilian ship in 1879 and 1880 and set up a prosperous cocoa farm in Lagos.

He was married to Sarah Forbes Bonetta, who was originally from what later became Benin Republic, but was sold into slavery. She was rescued by the british and became Queen Victoria's god daughter.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/A_portrait_of_James_Pinson_Labulo_Davies_and_Sarah_Forbes_Bonetta%2C_photographed_in_London_in_1862.jpg

2) St Gregory's Grammar School

The saros/protestants now had their secondary school, so the agudas/catholics also wanted their own secondary school (they already had several primary schools).

The agudas wrote several letters to Rome seeking for permission to set up a catholic secondary school. They were prepared to build it, but they wanted permission and priests and teachers who would teach in the school. In 1868 their request was granted after the usual exchange of petitions and letters between them and the home mission.

St Gregory's Grammar School was established in 1876 (St Gregory's Grammar School became St Gregory's College in 1928).

Note that the first colonial government secondary school in Lagos (Kings College) was only set up in 1909.

Cc Rayhutar, ABUZINZU and masseratti

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