Foreign Affairs › Re: Ibrahim Traoré Responds To US' Threats Of Removing Him And Invading Burkina Faso by Negroic9(m): 9:48am On Apr 23, 2025 |
Where and when did us made such threat |
Crime › Re: Panic In Ryom, Plateau State, As Residents Flee Ahead Of Fulani Herdsmen Arrival by Negroic9(m): 11:45am On Apr 22, 2025 |
We are yet to be told the truth of what's really going on in the plateau and Benue state |
Politics › Re: Bandits Have Taken Over 64 Communities In Plateau – Gov Muftwang by Negroic9(m): 9:27am On Apr 09, 2025 |
What was he doing till they have up to that |
Politics › Re: Don’t Attack Non-indigenes Over Uromi Killings, Sanusi Tells Kano Youths by Negroic9(m): 7:08am On Mar 31, 2025 |
Intel's reveal a grand master political plan to create unrest in Kano According to the Intel 1st agenda is to destroy RMK political marriage in the south by creating unrest sourced from osun and Edo . 2 nd is to give room to create state of emergency in Kano. |
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Politics › Re: Remi Tinubu Visited School Of Nursing In Delta State, And This Happened (Video) by Negroic9(m): 1:49pm On Mar 26, 2025 |
This is more of normal nurses jealousy than the political situation. Because this is her home state |
Health › Re: Nigerian Woman Disfigures Her Kids' Faces With Bleaching Cream by Negroic9(m): 1:01pm On Mar 25, 2025 |
Maybe Nigerian ladies use inferior products But north African ladies bleach most,in some countries in north Africa you must be White before assigned official post as a lady |
Politics › Re: Afenifere Asks Tinubu To Declare 'State Of Emergency' In Southwest Over Killings by Negroic9(m): 6:21pm On Mar 22, 2025 |
Seems this guys have no idea what state of emergency means |
Politics › Re: History: Legacy Of Islam In Yorubaland by Negroic9(m): 4:59pm On Mar 16, 2025 |
TAO11: I’d try. 
This would get technical, but I trust that you would be able to follow through.
In the light of my earlier comment, the popular idea that the name “Yoruba” originated from some alleged derogatory remark by Sultan Bello - blah-blah - actually has no leg to stand on.
The name “Yoruba” (in reference to Yoruba-speaking peoples) is evidently more antique than the first Fulani emirate in our region. This is evident from the 1600s Timbuktu writings which makes reference to this name.
As has been shown, the name “Yoruba” (in reference to the Yoruba-speaking peoples) predates the 1600s — to have been a well-known pre-existing name in as far as Mali since the early 1600s.
Now, given these two backgrounds, namely: 1) the false-exogeneity of this name, and 2) its considerable antiquity; it logically follows then that any attempt at its etymological components need not be a 100% certainty — and that is okay for an antique name from a pre-literate society.
In fact, many literate cultures do not have a 100% certainty whatsoever as per the etymological components of their “groups’ names”, and that’s okay too. These names are also antique — e.g. “London”, “Japan”, amongst innumerable others.
The fairest possible original one may then arrive at for the present-day indigenous name, “Yoruba”, is via one or both of the following approaches:
1) A careful consideration of the syllabic-components of the present-day name in the light of the relevant historical and linguistic realities.
2) An examination of what the received traditions have to say regarding the etymology of the name — if any such received traditions on its etymology exist.
Starting with the second: Actually, some received traditions exist regarding the etymological components of the name “Yoruba”.
The Reverend Samuel Ajayi Crowther, in the 1800s, collected a tradition from among the Egbas which says that an earlier phrase from which this name arises is the phrase: “Ori Obba”.
I am yet to lay my hands on the material itself. I got this from a secondary source which has proven to me to be 100% trustworthy.
I am thus not yet able to access any further remark he may have passed regarding this account which he got from the Egbas.
Regarding the first: I have to begin with a disclaimer. I do not claim to have originally come up with this observation.
However, I did expound it beyond the very cursory highlight penned by its author — the columnist, Farouk Martins Omo Aresa.
In the name “Yoruba”, Omo Aresa spotted the basic components: Oyo & Oba — “OYO-OBA, OYO-ROBA, OYO-RUBA”.
He remarked briefly on how this flows from Yoruba “orikis”, and he expressed a subtle regret on how this has gone unnoticed by many.
Now, I find this view to be highly explanatory not merely because of those two components.
Rather, those two components fit very nicely into the relevant historical and linguistic realities.
Firstly, the phrase: “Oyo is the King” (in the sense of Oyo as the new sheriff in town) fits nicely with the fact that “Oyo” was the core Yoruba polity which succeeded Ife after Ife’s military and commercial decline in the early/mid-1400s.
~ Robin Horton, (1979), p. 141.
The phrase “Oyo is the King” is thus rooted in an endogenous Oyo attitude which must have begun as early as the late-1400s following Ife’s decline as the Yoruba power in the Guinea Forest from the early/mid-1400s.
Secondly, this phrase: “Oyo is the King” apparently continued when Oyo embarked on actual imperial programs (which gradually saw the Alaafin of Oyo as the proud overlord over other kingdoms too) right after the successful return of the capital from Oyo-Igboho back to Oyo-Ile in the late 1500s.
Thirdly, having began to dominate other Yoruba kingdoms from the late-1500s; the phrase “Oyo is the king” must therefore have taken the shape of a proper appellation which is now no longer restricted only to the Oyo-subgroup of the Yoruba group.
This explains Ahmad Baba’s reference to the name “Yoruba” (as a group’s name — rather than a fraction of a group) in the year 1615. His reference indicates a well-known pre-existing group name.
This also explains why (in the early 1800s) many former Oyo tributaries (after their independence from Oyo) initially refused to re-adopt this apparently ‘hegemonic’ group name.
Fourthly, turning to the linguistic angle; it may seem unrealistic that a Yoruba translation of the phrase, “Oyo is the King”, would come any close to the name “Yoruba”.
Yes, without a careful and deep consideration, the translation “Oyo ni Oba” is all one would get from the phrase: “Oyo is the King”.
And that doesn't seem anywhere close to the name “Yoruba” — especially considering the fact that “ni” is the Yoruba equivalent of the English word “is”.
So, while the historical side appears consistent all along so far; the linguistic angle seems to suggest a grave hole which demolishes this explanation.
But as will soon be seen, there is actually no linguistic hole at all in this explanation.
Fifthly, the translation of the word “is” (in the phrase: “Oyo is the king” ) as “ni” (in Yoruba language) actually ignores a key fact.
This translation ignores the fact that the present-day Yoruba equivalent of “is” (which is “ni“ ) was not unchanging over the centuries up till present-day.
For example, the (1800s) writings of Rev. Samuel Crowther shows the word “li” to be a Yoruba equivalent of the English word “is” in the 1800s.
In the light of this 1800s fact, the phrase: “Oyo is the King” would have been translated as “Oyo li Oba” using the 1800s’ realities.
If this was the evolving reality between the 1800s and now; what then would have been the Yoruba equivalent of “is” in the actual period of our interest — i.e. the 1400s and the 1500s??
To delve into this distant past of our language, recourse has to be made to an established fact in linguistic analysis, which is that:
(1) The present differentiated dialects of a language were actually more undifferentiated and more uniform the farther back in time you go.
In specific terms, all the present-day dialectal differentiations of the Yoruba language were actually more undifferentiated 100 years ago. And they are even more undifferentiated 200 years ago, and so forth into the past.
This linguistic fact would soon prove to be very useful for our deconstruction and regress.
(2) In addition to the foregoing linguistic fact, another observation among present-day Yoruba dialects which would also prove very useful is the fact that some Yoruba dialects have proven very, very stable over time.
These relatively stable dialects are those which must be resorted to in order to reasonably unravel what the Yoruba language must have uniformly sounded like many centuries ago.
These ‘stable’ dialects are found along the southern, eastern and south-eastern Yoruba frontiers. To be very precise, some of them are the Ijebu and the Itsekiri dialects of the Yoruba language, among others in the region.
This is well-known to linguists, but to spotlight some instances of this fact; some Yoruba words are alive till date among all Yorubas, but only in usage — their meanings have generally been lost to time.
However, these words are preserved intact till date in both usage and meaning in the Ijebu dialect for example.
The Yoruba word ”Ùwà”, as in “Alaiyeluwa”, is an example in this regard. It is a considerably antique Yoruba word.
Another category are Yoruba words whose usage are generally lost and even replaced by other words — but only remembered to have once been in use.
The Yoruba word “Olùkù” which has been completely replaced by another word (though remembered to have once been in use) is an example in this regard.
This word is still alive in meaning and in everyday usage in the Ijebu dialect of the Yoruba language.
These among some more technical reasons explains the resort to the Ijebu dialect in an attempt to establish what a more uniform and undifferentiated Yoruba language would have sounded like many centuries ago.
In the light of this approach, the phrase “Oyo is the King” in the Ijebu dialect (which is our dialectal yardstick for a uniform Yoruba language of the 1400s) translates simply as:
“Oyo ri Oba” (in writing) and “Oyo r’Oba” (orally).
Cheers!
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Crime › Re: Loan App Is After My Life by Negroic9(m): 3:52pm On Mar 14, 2025 |
maj59: Good afternoon house....... Please I need your advice on this, I use to borrow money from yoyi app and I always paid whenever its due.
But this last one the day I wanted to pay my phone got spoiled and after 3days I fix my phone with the money I want to use to pay the loan app.......now dy are treatning me with my contact. Thy have even post some of my pictures online to my contact saying I'm HIV Positive and a criminal.....pls anybody with experience First ignore them,send message to all your contacts that your phone was hacked by yahoo boys ,so they should ignore anything from unknown numbers or anybody claiming tobe loan official Second try and pay back the principal money |
Travel › Re: Video Of Ghastly Accident Along Abuja-makurdi Highway Today by Negroic9(m): 6:41am On Mar 14, 2025 |
When are we going to learn to respect the dead, We are all going to die one day No one i repeat no one knows how he is going to die Kindly respect the dead Stop posting dead humans like goats This people have loved ones How would they feel seeing this video 2 yrs after burials How would one feel seeing video of someone he cherished this way |
Travel › Re: Scores Feared Dead In Abuja-Makurdi Highway Accident by Negroic9(m): 6:37am On Mar 14, 2025 |
Kindly respect the dead Stop posting dead humans like goats This people have loved ones How would they feel seeing this video 2 yrs after burials |
Politics › Re: Lagos-calabar Highway Project Wasteful, Corrupt – Obasanjo by Negroic9(m): 11:40am On Mar 13, 2025 |
Very wasteful wallahi |
Politics › Re: Did You Resign When You Were Accused Of Armed Robbery- King Dakolo To Saraki by Negroic9(m): 10:25am On Mar 11, 2025 |
iamjavadem: So how do you know the one against Akpabio also isn't fabricated? Pure double standards on your part. Because Natasha is beautiful she cannot lie? See mumu. It is an insult to beauty to call Natasha beautiful, abi naso women from your area worwor reach? |
Politics › Re: 'I Have Resumed And I Remain The Speaker Of Lagos Assembly' - Mudashiru Obasa by Negroic9(m): 3:21pm On Feb 27, 2025 |
This is a serious case if true,this is the same reason awo never became president he want to become god of all yorubas at all cost,something tinubu is now trying become by force |
Business › Re: Folorunso Alakija Loses Sight Completely - Sahara Reporters by Negroic9(m): 5:39am On Feb 27, 2025 |
simpleseyi: An Osun state indegene was gifted oil wells in the South South, just as several others from the North, West, and Middle Belt, while the people on whose land the oil was put by God are slaving for the slave masters. All of you no go die well.
Before you quote me and say nonsense like I am jealous of them, please note that I am not wretched like your parents. I am not a billionaire, but I have given people millions on several occasions You are a lier ,a jealous fellow and a total sadist.south south is not the only region with crude oil in Nigeria, try and goto school, OK? If you are not as poor as Church rat oya send me something, Mtchew person wey alumanjiri wealthy pass dey form rich |
Romance › Re: I Want To Travel To USA by Negroic9(m): 9:29pm On Feb 24, 2025 |
You deserve what she did to you. 11 years no belle,and you are spending on her? |
Crime › Re: Yetunde Lawal’s Head Found In Ibadan! Abdulrahman Killed A Goat To Cover Murder by Negroic9(m): 9:50am On Feb 21, 2025 |
All the ritualists have a secret cult that bring them out using one yeye reason.Surprisingly he will be freed. He isn't the first, hanifa killer here in Kano,the lady that kill her ex the other day here in Kano are all freed later over some stupid reasons.
Early last year in my hood a ritualist was caught red handed in the night with fresh human parts after beating he was taking to police station,it was in the night, so the ritualists slept in the cell.I was at station with 2 of my friends to bailout a petty thief around 10:30am the DPO arrived and started checking the people in the cell one by one when he got to know the ritualists he changed his mood greeted them properly and let them out of the cell,he freed this people before attending to us.immediately there is uproar by people waiting to be attended to, in surprise the Dpo told all of us present that we should never bring two people to the station again if we catch them we should Lynch them straight forward before calling the police, A homo rapist and a ritualist. |
Politics › Re: Terrorist Kingpin Bello Turji Resurfaces In Sokoto, Imposes N25million Levy by Negroic9(m): 5:32pm On Feb 20, 2025 |
How possible a stack illiterate smarter than so called generals and security chiefs. What a big shame. |
Crime › Re: Hafsat Yetunde: No Lawyer for Alleged Killer as Court Remands Him with 4 Others by Negroic9(m): 7:32pm On Feb 18, 2025 |
All the ritualists have a secret cult that bring them out using one yeye reason.Surprisingly he will be freed. He isn't the first, hanifa killer hear in Kano,the lady that kill her ex the other day here in Kano are all freed later over some stupid reasons.
Early last year in my hood a ritualist was caught red handed in the night with fresh human parts after beating he was taking to police station,it was in the night, so the ritualists slept in the cell.I was at station with 2 of my friends to bailout a petty thief around 10:30am the DPO arrived and started checking the people in the cell one by one when he got to know the ritualists he changed his mood greeted them properly and let them out of the cell,he freed this people before attending to us.immediately there is uproar by people waiting to be attended to, in surprise the Dpo told all of us present that we should never bring two people to the station again if we catch them we should Lynch them straight forward before calling the police, A homo rapist and a ritualist. |
Sports › Re: Green Man Finished 38th In Lagos City Marathon 10KM Under 40 Mins! (Photos) by Negroic9(m): 11:59pm On Feb 15, 2025 |
[quote author=Odewaleadesoye post=134157974][/quote]How do one participate I will like to participate in the next Abuja or Lagos Marathon Please enlighten us |
Islam › Re: League Of Yorubaland Imams Declares March 1 To Commence Ramadan, Abandons Sultan by Negroic9(m): 7:46pm On Feb 14, 2025 |
Sterope: Silly title. That conflict you are looking for will be yours if God wills it. Very silly propaganda wallahi |
Islam › Re: League Of Yorubaland Imams Declares March 1 To Commence Ramadan, Abandons Sultan by Negroic9(m): 7:45pm On Feb 14, 2025 |
Why are you media in love with creating sensational headlines and propaganda. I have travel to Oyo several times and met them celebrating eidul fitr one or two days after Sokoto's. This is not new in Yoruba land |
Politics › Re: My Administration Significantly Improved Security And Economy - Buhari by Negroic9(m): 7:15am On Feb 07, 2025 |
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Romance › Re: I Learned This The Hard Way—Please Don’t Make This Same Mistake With Women by Negroic9(m): 9:30am On Feb 05, 2025 |
Hahaha,Hehehe, women this women that as if some of you weren't given birth to buy a woman. In 2009 or so I have forgotten a contest was held in the united States whereby different men were asked to write what men know about women with real life proofs and examples, the winner was the person that submitted a book of blank pages.
From the beginning according to holy books the first woman was created when the first man was asleep,so how exactly will a man ever understand a woman.
Throughout history all the advice of wise men gave about women can be summarise into this. "Do not rely on a woman 100% but at the same time respect them most especially your mother and those whom she trusted amongst her women folk" Your capacity to merge the trust and respect given to the deserving women in your journey of life defines your intellectual capacity and subsequent success in life.
The fact that you as a man adjusting your life to suit the way women think shows that you are already defeated by women.
Just like guys said up there be who you are and whenever you are dealing with a woman also make sure you calculated ahead and be ready for all possible consequences |
Politics › Re: Yoruba's Should Stop Responding To Sharia Thread by Negroic9(m): 3:25pm On Jan 31, 2025 |
I do not understand all the fuss about sharia,ideally there supposed to be sharia department alongside with all magistrate court across the federation.
The FG should come out and enlightened the masses pls
If core Muslim States like Kano have magistrate why should a core non Muslim state not have a sharia court |
Politics › Re: Buhari Not Pleased Osinbajo Contested Presidency Against Tinubu – Akande by Negroic9(m): 7:49am On Jan 31, 2025 |
SendoSendal: Truly,in all sensibilities and for the sake of history, Osibanjo should not have contested against Tinubu, for the following reasons:
1. No matter the diverse narratives out there, the fact is that Tinubu singlehandedly made Osibanjo to be Vice President. Prior to that, Osibanjo was a Lawyer, in private practice, and had never contested even for Local Government Chairman before. 2. Osibanjo's unexpected rise to the Vice Presidency of the country should have satisfied him, afterall he was not expecting it and it NEVER could have happened to him, because in the scheme of things in Lagos politics at the time, he was not relevant 3. Has Osibanjo repaid Tinubu for his kindness for making him Vice President? The only opportunity he had, was the one he misused. He should never have contested against Tinubu. Rather, he should have led Tinubu's campaign as if it was his own. Afterall, to whom much has been given, much is expected. 4. Personally, I believe Osibanjo was ungrateful to Tinubu. Even when other senior politicians of Yoruba extraction, who didn't even owe Tinubu as much benevolence were stepping down for him at the Eagle's square, the man who benefitted most from him, refused to step down
Somehow, we all need to be humane, and not everything is about "my rights". No doubt, Osibanjo has the constitutional right to do, but like the bible referenced in 1 Corinthians 10:23: "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are expedient: all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify." (KJV). In other word, that something is right and lawful does not mean it should be done. In addition if not extreme greed he did not choose to contest for governor or senator,but president. This is someone that never worked his way to becoming the VP in the first place |
Politics › Re: Sultan Of Sokoto Under Fire For Advocating SW Muslim's Right To Sharia Panel by Negroic9(m): 2:37pm On Jan 30, 2025 |
How did the opinions of some few rascals became the opinion of the South westerners. Some very immoral and cowards. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Andy Ogles Proposes Constitutional Amendment To Allow Trump Run For 3rd Term by Negroic9(m): 9:23am On Jan 27, 2025 |
emmnprince: When you referred to Trump as the awaited antiChrist when Trump goes for third term, what do you actually mean? Shed more light. The Antichrist is above all human laws. Going for the third term successfully will be a clear sign of that |
Politics › Re: Alleged Defamation: Afe Babalola Withdraws Suits Against Farotimi by Negroic9(m): 9:14am On Jan 27, 2025 |
The fact that the elders are begging him without admonitions to the child already explains a lot. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Andy Ogles Proposes Constitutional Amendment To Allow Trump Run For 3rd Term by Negroic9(m): 9:09am On Jan 27, 2025 |
TristanX: An anti christ that is against LGBTQ agenda? Forget the show |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Andy Ogles Proposes Constitutional Amendment To Allow Trump Run For 3rd Term by Negroic9(m): 8:18am On Jan 24, 2025 |
If trump successfully goes for third term then trump is the awaited Antichrist. |