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Shepherd00:
'You guys' meant you and your Cross bearers lot. those who were answering questions in that thread.

I participated in that thread and not all those answering questions are cross bearers. I'm not a cross bearer. Please before you accuse people, get your facts right.

Shepherd00:
By evidence you mean I shd copy and paste the questions Noteasy posted to you guys?

Yes! Justcool was clear enough in his demand that you provide evidence.

Shepherd00:
I am not fighting you o. I only asked why you didn't answer Noteasy's questions. You see, i see in the manner you calmly respond to questions that you are indeed a cool person, you shd have coolly answered her. No matter how fierce fire is, it's water that puts it out, but you didn't.

A blatant lie! The fact that you can lie like this about an easily verifiable fact already shows you're psychopath, a pathological liar! I have posted the conversation between justcool and Noteasy above, everybody can see what a liar you are.

Shepherd00:
Justcool nah. did you respond to one single post Noteasy made in that thread?

Unbelievable!!!! Dude are you human? I can believe a human being can lie to this extent!!!!

Shepherd00:
Lolzz. So it was a coincidence that myn44 showed up, warned Noteasy to stop posting in the thread then puff, she disappeared? I may have reported her. lol.

Stupid and boundless assumption!! Maybe because Noteasy hijacked the tread!!! Its unfair to hijack a persons tread and start posting a different subject. You can as well just open your own tread. Maybe the pastor that pretended to have raised the dead is you. You are the one or is it coincident that he is an African an a Christian like you? Since we are hear to assume all kinds of things and accuse others of. You are the guy that bugled my house last week. Or so it is a coincidence that he is black.

Shepherd00:
Ha. Na only question I ask o. Why this out bust nah? I used to perceive you as a very calm and in control person. Why this nah?

Do you even know what outburst means. You know he is calm that's why you are attacking him and accusing him of all sorts of things. You guys are unbelievable!! you will not go Muslim forum and talk this nonsense. I now understand why the Muslims demanded their own forum and was granted. Your pretend Christianity is never enough for you because you know you are not a real Christian, so you go to other treads and starts accusations. We blame Muslims for violence, but you some of Christians can be very intruding and inversive at times!!

Shepherd00:
This is a public domain and whatever you post here shd not be for only those who believe in what you believe, or who are Seekers, but for those who are not. You sound smart in for that reason I expected that you'd know this. If a question is asked, and you have answers answer with decorum if not pass, instead of starting a fight but make it seem like the enquirer is the enemy.

The fact that this is public forum doesn't mean you should invade every tread with false accusations. Many people have asked justcool questions about the Grail message, and he answered. However you don't expect him to indulge your stupid. You don't pay that guy to answer every nonsense you write. If you are not genuinely interested in any topic, stay away. don't go there and insult people.

Shepherd00:
This is another thing you guys evade from answering. You wouldn't talk about Abdrushin. Why?
Everyone who started a religion had an history behind them and their message reflects who they were or are.

Their message must be seen in their lives first because he cannot bring a message to others and fail to exhibit what he brought.

It will not be right to only talk about a message leaving out the messenger. For instance, Moses who brought the law of Jehovah to the Islraelites asked to know about Jehovah when He accosted him at the burning bush. 'Who are You?' was Moses question. Did God say to him, just go and say the Israelites to take the message and not bother with the messenger? No. God introduced Himself to Moses.

Moses brought the law, his credentials are here for a to see. And if what he wrote did not affect or portray his personal life then there's something there.

Dude don't write what you don't know. It makes you look worse than a fool. Can you show any evidence that Abdrushin started a religion The very first introductory chapter of the Grail message said, "The following words does not bring a new religion" He also warned religious fanatics like you to stay away!!!

Shepherd00:
Jesus of Nazareth who you guys are fun of quoting, introduced Himself and lived his message.

Give me evidence that Jesus brought a religion, and tell me the name of that religion.

Shepherd00:
Muhammad of Arabia brought Islam, his story is here and he lived his message. If you engaged a learned muslim, you get answers to your questions.

What about Charles Tass Russel of The Watch Tower?
Or Joseph Smith of the LDS?
Why shd Oscar's case be different?

I challenge you to go and debate a Muslim. You're a weakling, you will only insult gentle people. Go and tell a Muslim about Mohamed lets see. Muslims don't tolerate nonsense.
Every word you write is assumption!! I've never met anyone like you!! Did you even go to school? You sat down an assumed that Abdrushin started a religion. I'm still waiting for evidence and name of that religion.

Shepherd00:
Abdrushin preached REINCARNATION, he said he who Oscar at the time, knew that he was Abdrushin in his former life and he knew his work on earth, he went about doing it. He died, he ought to reincarnate again abi?

No he ought not to!!! You haven't read the Grail message but you already know what Abdrushin preached about. Okay He did. Now I ask you, What did he say about reincarnation? Did he ever say that he ought to reincarnate?

Shepherd00:
My question is, has he? As What or who this time? where is he?
It will be wrong to point me away from this sir. This is very important to those who want to be Seekers.
If I was a German in my last life, but I am now a black African, and I'm dead, I must be someone else nah.

Has your pastor, the guy who taught you how to fake resurrection reincarnated?

Shepherd00:
Oh Lawd!!!!. Pls nah, don't be like this. This is not the same case pls. The Pharisees asked that with spite, but I only asked becos I don't really know. Pls clarify me. Who were you in your past life?

Ohh!! You don't know. But you just claimed that you know what he preached. You think you are smarter than anybody? You are only here to radicle people. Posters like justcool don't have time for you.

Shepherd00:
And, @Justcool, pls stop quoting the Bible. Someone asked you if you believe in the Bible, you said No. that your Message comes directly from God. Quote your Grail.

So now the bible is your fathers property? Mind you the bible came from Eruope. It was we Europeans to introduced it to sub-Sahara Africa. So I should be telling you to stop quoting my forefathers book and using to dupe people.

Shepherd00:
What have I done here that suggest I'm doing something against the Grail Message?
Seriously, this is surprising.
WTH? Was I wrong to ask a simple question? So, if an unbeliever in Jesus asks me about the immaculate Conception of Jesus, instead of answering him, I shd attack and push him off, telling him to go enjoy is unbelief? Na wao.

Dude Jesus did not answer fools. He didn't all the questions Pilate asked him. Jesus would not answer a liar and trouble maker like you.

Shepherd00:
Where is this coming from pls? I never said you were an occult nah.
Oh, the Grail Message is the Original Message of Jesus Christ?
Now you are making me ask questions I didn't want to ask before.
So, do you believe that He died to save you from Sin?
Do you believe in salvation through Jesus' finished works on the Cross, and not by your good deeds?

Are you expecting His return to resurrect His saints to take them with Him to Heaven.

Did Jesus reincarnate? to who or what? Is He a reincarnated soul today somewhere in the world?

How can you preach Jesus and preach reincarnation at the same time?

You mentioned Paradise, do you know that according to Jesus Paradise is not Heaven but a place were souls are kept to await resurrection?

Only a fool will answer you. He died for your sins, so now its okay for you become a liar, a trouble maker and a scammer. African ignorant interpretation. What about what a man sows he shall reap.

Show me where Jesus said he died for your sins and his works are finished on the cross. Please open a tread and lets debate it. My father was a pastor and I was trained as one. I've read the original Greek version of the new testament.

Shepherd00:
Do you realize you just called your Master Abdrushin a mystic? He was Oskar Ernst Bernhardt from Germany. He went digging into his past life and came up with his past life as Abdrushin from Tibet. You believed him.

You believe in the reincarnation which he taught. you believe in the Massage he brought, yet you can not tell who you were in your past life because that will be going into occultism or mysticism.


By your attestation, You Justcool, the Cross Bearer of the Grail Message just declared Oskar Ernst Bernhard aka Abdruahin a mystic and an Occult

I didn't say it, you did.

Do you realize you are a fool. Can you provide evidence where Abdrushin went digging into his past life? Justcool clearly told you that Abdrushin warns against such things. But you don't deal with facts, you deal only with assumptions. You are here to ridicle Abdrushin, a man that has not done anything wrong to you.

Again you made up lies and accuse Justcool of saying what he never said. Im sorry for you. What a follower of christ! Christ told you to peddle lies against your neighbor.

Just to expose shepard00 lies, here is the transaction between justcool and Noteasy.

Here is Noteasy question.

Re: The Grail Message by noteasy: 5:13pm On May 26, 2013
I can't believe this!

Please to understand you, i would like to ask the cross bearers;
- Do you believe in God, the Almighty?
- Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the only son of God?
- Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?
- Are you Christians, the followers of Christ?

Thanks!

To which Justcool kindly replied. Here is justcool's answer:

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Re: The Grail Message by justcool(m): 8:47pm On May 26, 2013
@noreasy
Thanks for your question; I will reply as follows:
noteasy:
- Do you believe in God, the Almighty?
Genuine cross bearers do not believe; rather they are convinced! Belief means accepting something that you haven’t experienced, something that is not born out of your personal recognition, something that may not even make sense to you but you have accepted blindly. Either because you are told to, or because of your religious orientation, tradition, culture, etc.

The Grail message urges its adherents to weigh and examine everything. One must be convinced of every thing that she/he lives by, especially anything pertaining to God.

Genuine cross bearers are convinced in God, the almighty; Convinced that creation issued out of HIS eternal laws which swing in Love and Justice.

noteasy:
- Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the only son of God?
Again, when it comes to God, belief is not enough. Belief cannot emanate from the spirit, the breath of God in man. Beliefs arise from the intellect. And one can only approach God in his spirit, not his intellect. The spirit knows, not believes. And to know means to be convinced. Hence from the spirit comes living conviction.

Genuine crossbearers are convinced that Jesus, who is the Living Love of God, is and will forever remain the inborn son of God. However, we use the term son for the lack of a better word; for God does not have sons in the human way of having sons. The Son of God means the part of God that, although eternally connected to God the father, works separately from Him. Hence Jesus is a part of God that once incarnated on earth to save mankind from spiritual death. Jesus is that part of God the father that God the father used to save mankind.

God the father also used another part of Himself to create maintain creation. This part severed from God the father, and through Him all creation came into being. He is the Living Will of God. He is the Holy Spirit, the third person in the trinity.

noteasy:
- Do you believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ?
Again, genuine crossbearers do not just believe in the true teachings of Jesus, genuine crossbearers are convinced in the eternal Truth that the son of God, Jesus, brought to mankind.

noteasy:
- Are you Christians, the followers of Christ?

It depends on what you mean by Christians. If by that you mean church goers or religionists, then all I can tell you is that it is not necessary to join any religion, denomination, or church to live in the Light of Jesus’ teachings. Jesus did not bring or found any religion of earth.

If by Christians you mean followers of Christ, or those who live by the teachings of Jesus, then genuine crossbearers are Christians. The Grail message and the message of Jesus are one.

noteasy:
Thanks!
Remain blessed, and thank you too!

After the explanations above she rephrased the same questions again!!!!!! And the nextthing she did was hijack the tread by preaching and posting long bible verses. To which justcool ignored her as every gentleman would. I would not have been patient enough to ignore her, I would have told her off for hijacking a tread someone created for the Grail message.

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Re: The Grail Message by noteasy: 10:42pm On May 26, 2013
Justcool, thanks for your wonderful responses.
I know that conviction comes first before believe.It is only when you are convinced that you believe without doubts.

I'm glad you said you(the cross bearers) are Christians, but i still have more to ask;
Can you please kindly assist me go further by declaring that you(cross bearers) have accepted Jesus Christ as your guide and personal saviour(only if you believe and truly believe in Him)?

Do you believe that the teachings and words of Jesus Christ are all true and will ever be true(His words never changes and would never change,He is not a liar)?

Please, where do you reference the teachings of Jesus Christ(where do yo refer for the teaching of Jesus Christ)?

For me, i reference the holy bible as a christian(not church goers) but from the testimonies of those who lived with Christ and personally encountered his teachings and also those who personally had an encountered with God (before the coming of Jesus Christ) in the old testament of the bible.

With these, we would go into another phase of discussions and questioning.

Thanks,
I welcome all the cross bearers(m_nwankwo and co.) to give me their answers to these questions.
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Re: The Grail Message by noteasy: 7:48am On Jun 22, 2013
Just thot to share the below;

Meditation: Matthew 6:24-34
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life. (Matthew 6:25)
A hungry four-year-old opens the refrigerator door to search for a snack. She asks for candy or cookies or ice cream. But then her mother introduces her to reality: “If you’re hungry, have a sandwich, a piece of fruit, or yogurt.” If she were left to her own devices for too long, malnutrition would set in. It’s only through parental guidance that she is able to thrive.

It is the responsibility of this girl’s mother to get her child into the habit of coming to her first, before she sets her heart on something that may be bad for her. She knows that eventually her daughter will learn about the dangers of too much junk food and will choose more healthy snacks. But for now, Mom has to make all the decisions.

Can we develop a taste for the good food that God has to offer? Jesus says that the best thing we can ask for the Father to give us is “the kingdom of God and his righteousness” (Matthew 6:33). He promises that if we seek these out, then our heavenly Father will provide for all our other needs—even many of our wants!

These words from Jesus sound so hopeful and inspiring, don’t they? But sometimes it’s hard for us to act on them. We may find them comforting, but when push comes to shove, we can still go for the “junk food” of self-centeredness and self-sufficiency. Think back to a time when you got out ahead of God instead of waiting for his wisdom or trusting in his providence. How did it go? Usually these paths of self-sufficiency lead farther away from the Lord and into anxiety instead, don’t they?

Are you feeling anxious about your life right now? Are you feeling tempted to follow your own wisdom without asking for the Lord’s guidance? Don’t do it! Jesus, your Savior, is also your Provider. He can be your help in every situation if you will let him. Don’t settle for anything less than all the goodness he has stored up for you!

“Lord, you have so many good gifts that you want to give. Why would I ever look elsewhere? Help me to wait on you and to rest in the treasures you have for me.”

2 Corinthians 12:1-10; Psalm 34:8-13
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Readers please see for yourself the liar that shapard00 is. What a good follower of Christ!!

@shepard00

You are typical of what is wrong with Nigeria. That's why where I live we avoid you guys like the pledge. I know there are good Nigerians but people like you, with your sub human criminal behavior have given that country a terrible reputation. You guys have dragged Christianity to the gutter. You have no idea of what civility and respect is, all you people do is go around and behave rudely like animals. I opened this thread to ask justcool questions about the Grail message because other threads about the Grail message have been hijacked by you. You came her saying you like justcools answer then out of envy you returned by with lies, insults, and unfounded assumptions. Are you not ashamed of yourself.?

Please if you want to fight and peddle false accusations, please please please open your own tread and let us have peace here. You already assumed that Im a crossbearer? When you dont even knwo what a crossbearer is. The expression crosbrearer was not mentioned in the Grail message.

The fact that this is a public forum dosent give you the right to jump on every tread and write nonsense.

@shepard00

Shepherd00:
Hello Justcool.
I have gone through the link you sent to me. Thank you.
Initially It seemed like you guys were opened to answer everyone's questions, especially those of the different adherents, but along the line when someone who seemed to really know about you guys and had in-depth questions to ask came up, all of you bailed on her. Why?

Why didn't you all respond to @Noteasy, instead called Myn44 to ban her?

Well, for me reading through that thread I came up with a ton of questions in tune with @Noteasy's, but I feel I'll also not get answers to them so I will them go.

But, pls, answer just this one question.
I read one of you say Oskar Ernst Bernhardt was a reincarnated Abdrushin. Meaning Oskar knew who he was in his former life, so knew what he was to do, hence picked his former name and continued his work.

He is dead right? Long-ago. Has he reincarnated yet? if yes, as who presently? Which part of the world is he living in right now? Does he know he was Abdrushin?


And you, who were you in your past life?

Thanks again.

@ Shepard00

Im a seeker who has found the Grail message worthy to live by and I oppened this thread to humbly ask the ever-ready-to-help justcool to help me with some clearification about the Grailmessage. Please dont derail this thread. This is not a tread for people to come and fight and insult. This tread is about the Grailmessage so if your questions are not about the Grail message please stay away. Can we have a peaceful tread for once please.


You asked about the Grailmessage and Eckanker, justcool answered about the Grail message and refferd you to Ectenker people for infor about Eckanker, as well as other threads about the Grail message. You came back with accusations in defence of Noteasy. Ive read that thread many times. Noteasy asked questions about the Grail message to wich justcool clearly answered. Then she hijacked the thread by posting bible verses upon bible versers and started aguements about the bible. Do you expect justcool to start dealing with his biblical posts when the tread is clearly about the Grial message??

There are people so mature that you cant drag them to that level. I know this about justcool and m_nwankwo, and I respect that.

Please, once again don't derail this thread, This is about the Grail message.

justcool:
Genuine adherents of the Grail message don't go about begging or preaching to people to accept the Grail message, such would be casting peals before swine. Rather it is people that come after us seeking. And we answer when we feel the seeker is genuine.

This is so true about justcool and m_nwankwo. If you not serious they will simple ignor you. LOL

@ Justcool

I cannot thank you enough for your wonderful explanations which completely answered my questions. I opened this thread to ask many questions, but with one reply you answered even those that I haven't asked. I will take time and digest all that you wrote, before I proceed with more questions.

Once again, thanks a lot.

Dear Justcool,

I've been reading the Grail message for a while and it has helped me a lot. However, I have a question to which I have not received a satisfactory answer. The question is about the lecture MAN AND HIS FREE WILL. There it says that when the spirit germs entered into the world of matter, the moment the spirit germs first descended into the very outskirts of the world of matter. Here the spirit germs makes use of there free will for the first time, by deciding to taste in this or that vibration that they encounter in the world of matter. The spirit germs that decide to follow, taste, or indulge in noble vibrations, their latent qualities will be aroused, stirred up, strengthened, and cultivated till they bear good fruit. However, the spirit germs that decide to follow ignoble vibrations will, in due course, be so influenced that the nature of these ignoble vibrations will cling to them, envelop their pure qualities, suffocating and preventing their pure qualities from awakening and developing.

Then question then arises,
(1)Why would a loving God send the spirit germs into a world (the world of matter) where there are already ignoble, impure or evil vibrations.

It is stated in the same chapter that at this point the spirit germs posses only pure and noble qualities, therefore the ignoble vibrations could not have come from them. Also, Lucifer is out of question, because I assure that at this point Lucifer has not been sent or even failed.
(2) So where do these ignoble vibrations came from? From God? Are the Christians/the bible right then when they/it says that God is the author of both good and evil?
(3) You once in another thread explained that evil has its origin on from man(spirit germs). How does this harmonize with the Lecture in question which says that evil or ignoble vibrations already exit in subsequent creation when the spirit germs entered it.
(4) It is explained somewhere else that God does not temp or set traps for man. Isn't sending them in a world where evil already exist and they can choose it same as tempting or setting traps for them?
And the loudest and most nagging question,
(5) Why must these ignoble or evil vibrations exist or be created in the first place?

Thanks in advance for your response.