Mankind has been on a quest for immortality, unconditional love, absolute truth, perfect wisdom, total freedom, ultimate power, an answer to why the human race is on Earth, and the true destiny of humanity throughout its history. Long hidden by a pious, fear motivating, very narrow, and often contradictory presentation of scripture by "Church" theology is the fact that all these human treasures are in the Bible. They are not only clearly defined concepts, they are to be inherited by humans, literally guaranteed by the actions of an amazing entity from an incredible race of immortal, universally powerful beings.
The Bible encourages the search for truth, as well as promising reward for its discovery, not the least of which is the epitome of freedom from the physical world. It doesn't encourage the pursuit of earthly wealth and power, but strongly encourages that mankind seek treasure of a higher value. The modern church gives no clear guidance as to the true nature of these higher rewards, except a very vague possibility of future residence in a very ethereal place called "heaven". The orthodox concept is vague because the word ‘heaven’ simply means the sky in the Bible, and the church prefaces entry to this "heaven" with enough exclusion clauses to deter all but the most pious and virtuous. The Bible, on the other hand, is not so vague on the promises it offers, or the true destiny of mankind it clearly presents.
The truth revealed by an intense scriptural quest about who and what the divine beings of the Bible are, is amazing in its own right, while their long-hidden relationship to their highest creation, humanity is almost beyond human perception. It can be easily found in scripture that the major deception, in the "greatest deception", is the ethos of the pulpit effectively concealing the greatest destiny mankind could ever imagine. This long concealed destiny is the "gospel", the incredibly "good news" Jesus, and the Apostles after him, proclaimed to mankind, and the ultimate truth every word in the Bible points toward.
The highest goal to which a human can aspire is to become an immortal, wise, loving, and all-powerful being with complete dedication to a perfect universal God. This, is the ultimate and true destiny of humanity. What better "good message" could Jesus bring to humanity?

The Gospel of the Royalty
The word "gospel" appears almost 100 times in the New Testament. The word is translated from two similar Greek words, both meaning good news or message. In context, it is referred to as the gospel of Jesus, God, and the kingdom. It is called the everlasting, and the glorious gospel, the gospel of grace and peace, and is associated with mystery and faith. The Bible declares it will be proclaimed, or published to the entire world several times, and Jesus equated it with his own importance.
The kingdom of God is the promise of Jesus to humanity and appears in New Testament scripture almost 150 times. The word kingdom is taken from the Greek word 'basileia', pronounced bas-il-i'-ah; properly, royalty, and is not a place as portrayed from the church pulpit. The concept of a kingdom, long thought to be synonymous with the misunderstood place called "heaven", is actually sovereignty, a universal ascendancy, referring to the position of the highest order of beings in existence, the Elohiym, the Gods.
The earthly actions Jesus, the son of the Almighty, and head of this universally royal family, will allow the incredible conversion of humans from a physical state, to full eternal inheritance. That inheritance will bring mankind into the majestic family of the Elohiym. The promise of inclusion into this imperial family of the most powerful race of beings in the universe is the only true path of entry into the "kingdom" of the Gods. This is the gospel, the good message Jesus died for, and announced to humanity. This is not only the greatest news ever heard by any human being, but it is the true destiny mankind has been pursuing for millennia.♦ "For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power." (I Corinthians 4:20)

Kunle, is there not a slight contradiction in a human becoming an "all powerful being" and at the same time deferring to a more powerful, and perfect God?

Deep Sight:

Kunle, is there not a slight contradiction in a human becoming an "all powerful being" and at the same time deferring to a more powerful, and perfect God?

Nope, it depends on perception. We now know there are trillions of planets in the perceivable universe and our planet is just a tiny spec in it. i am sure the universe has enough room to accomodate quite a number of all powerful beings. . Please note that the deferal is to the universal God, you can be all powerful on earth or in this solar system and still be insignificant in the larger scheme of the whole universe.

^^^ Ok, got it.

Deep Sight:

^^^ Ok, got it.

hmmmmm!
u can now start ur own exegesis from here now!

KunleOshob:

Nope, it depends on perception. We now know there are trillions of planets in the perceivable universe and our planet is just a tiny spec in it. i am sure the universe has enough room to accomodate quite a number of all powerful beings. . Please note that the deferal is to the universal God, you can be all powerful on earth or in this solar system and still be insignificant in the larger scheme of the whole universe.

Let me explain the above assertion further, the bible makes it clear in several scriptures that men are gods, this seems very odd, contradictory and unimaginable but the reality is that it is in the bible an d largely ignored by the pulpit. Lets examine a few scriptures:

Genesis 1:26-27:
26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”
27 So God created human beings in his own image.
In the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

The above scriptures makes it clear that man was made to be like God and to reign[have dominion] over the earth. In essence this could be stated that man was created to be God of the earth. But this was before the fall of man.

Genesis 3:22-24:
22 Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!” 23 So the Lord God banished them from the Garden of Eden, and he sent Adam out to cultivate the ground from which he had been made. 24 After sending them out, the Lord God stationed mighty cherubim to the east of the Garden of Eden. And he placed a flaming sword that flashed back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

The scripture above makes it clear that man became more like God after eating of the tree of knowledge, God then deliberately sends man out of the garden of eden to prevent him from eating form the tree of life and thus living forever thereby limiting his God like abilities. Scientists are still baffled that even the most intelligent people don't use up to 9% of their brain capabilities in their life time. Most people don't even use upto 4% the question is why are we equipped with so much capacity if all we need is so little? I believe the passage above answers the question. God deliberately limited man after the fall. Also a lot of recessive abilities of the brain not commonly used by humans have been detected by scientists. such abilities include echo location, telepathy, brain wave technology e.t.c

Other bible passages that indicate men are gods are as follows:
Psalm 82:6:

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34:

34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Genesis 3:5:

5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

So i don't think it is out of order to suggest that men were created to be all powerfull beings. The bible makes it clear that is how we were created[like God] and man only lost his powers due to the incidence in the garden of eden. The role of Jesus is to reconcile mankind to God and restore mankind to his former glory thereby taking our place amongst the most powerful beings in the universe. This truely is the incredible and glorious gospel of Jesus christ which he brought to mankind. The problem is that heart of man is desperately wicked, imagine with the little power we have how most human beings abuse it. Imagine if that power is multiplied several fold and the whole universe is his domain the kind of evil man would use this power for. this is why the earth is like a sort of testing/training ground for God to know who amongst us humans can be trusted with power, to know who would genuinely care and love his creation, to know those who would not abuse this power or use it for evil. this was why christ taught love as key to the kingdom of God. Unfortunately most christians don't realize it, some actually think they can buy there way into the kingdom through tithing

@ KunleOshob

Genesis 1:26-27:
26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us.

I see the finger prints of the Vatican all over those scripts Bro

NO WHERE IN THE ORIGINAL TESTAMENT DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS CHRIST CREATED ANYTHING!

Isa 44:24 Thus says YAHAWAH, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I AM YAHAWAH, Who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself

Did you get that! So much for Christianity's Jesus Christ whom they claim to be a co-creator with their God. AYAH says HE Spread abroad the earth BY HIMSELF!!

Isa 45:18 For thus says YAHAWAH, Who created the heavens, Who is The Creator, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: "I am YAHAWAH, and there is no other. 

That's right, there is no other creator, co- creator, or otherwise for AYAH is ONE- Deu 6:4- "Hear, O Yisrayl: YAHAWAH is our FATHER, YAHAWAH is One!

NOT THREE IN ONE!!!!

THE CREATOR DID IT ALL BY HMSELF BRO!
NO US IN THESE SCRIPTS!! WORD TO THE WISE!

@ KunleOshob

The Bible encourages the search for truth, as well as promising reward for its discovery, not the least of which is the epitome of freedom from the physical world.

Search for Truth? where?

It is all here in your OT

Psa 119:151 You [are] near, O YAHAWAH, And all Your commandments are TRUTH

Psa 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your Law is TRUTH

Deu 6:25 'Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before YAHAWAH our Father, as HE has commanded us.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws


Pro 28:4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, But such as keep the law contend with them

Pro 28:9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer [is] an abomination.

@yisraylite
I have never claimed in any of my posts that Jesus is the creator, the bible is clear on him being the son of the almighty creator God whether you like it or not.

Yisraylite:

@ KunleOshob

I see the finger prints of the Vatican all over those scripts Bro

NO WHERE IN THE ORIGINAL TESTAMENT DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS CHRIST CREATED ANYTHING!

Isa 44:24 Thus says YAHAWAH, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I AM YAHAWAH, Who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself

Did you get that! So much for Christianity's Jesus Christ whom they claim to be a co-creator with their God. AYAH says HE Spread abroad the earth BY HIMSELF!!

Isa 45:18 For thus says YAHAWAH, Who created the heavens, Who is The Creator, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: "I am YAHAWAH, and there is no other. 

That's right, there is no other creator, co- creator, or otherwise for AYAH is ONE- Deu 6:4- "Hear, O Yisrayl: YAHAWAH is our FATHER, YAHAWAH is One!

NOT THREE IN ONE!!!!

THE CREATOR DID IT ALL BY HMSELF BRO!
NO US IN THESE SCRIPTS!! WORD TO THE WISE!

In light of your post above, explain John 1:1. Then jusmp to Isaiah calling Emmanuel the Prince of Peace, The Mighty God etc and explain that too. Finally David said "The Lord said to my Lord, sit down at my right hand etc". Please share your understanding of these words in the Scriptures.

Whatever you wish to say abot KunleOshob, do not accuse him of being a Trinitarian.

@ nuclearboy

In light of your post above, explain John 1:1. Then jusmp to Isaiah calling Emmanuel the Prince of Peace, The Mighty God etc and explain that too. Finally David said "The Lord said to my Lord, sit down at my right hand etc". Please share your understanding of these words in the Scriptures.

Your answer will openly display your ability to think critically:

Which Scripture came first?


Isa 44:24 Thus says YAHAWAH, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I AM YAHAWAH, Who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself

OR

Your John 1:1

Please don't be silly, Emmanuel  and Jesus are two different names and Emmanuel does not mean Jesus Show me the name Jesus in ny OT scriptures please?

Based on your comment I believe you lack the ability to understand who that Scripture in Isaiah was really referring to

"@Yisraylite, pls dont mind nuclearboy. I just proved to him on another thread that the phropecy about Emmanuel has nothing to do with jesus. I just dont understand why they keep repeating the same white lies like robots. Lies that have been disproven over an over again


@nuclearboy
John 1:1 reads 'in the beginning there was God and the Word was with God and the Word was God'
First of all, these words were first penned by Philo of Alexandria (a pholisopher) many years before jesus was born. Somehow these words crept ito the writings of John. It therefore has nothing to do with jesus.

Secondly the Greek words OTHEOS (God) and TANTHEOS (a god) were both mischevious translated to mean God.
The original greek text reads 'In the beginning there was God (OTHEOS) and the Word was with God (OTHEOS) and the Word was a god (TANTHEOS)
Another classical example of how bible translators try to pull wool over our eyes

@ the_Seeker

Spot on!

You're definitely speaking my language, Christians are under the vatican's mind control tactics, so they obey without question the dogma created by the Beast

Here is another example Bro!

9 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

"From this same Catholic Church you have accepted your Sunday, and that Sunday, as the Lord's day, she had handed down as a tradition; and the entire Protestant world has accepted it as tradition, for you have not an iota of Scripture to establish it. Therefore that which you have accepted as your rule of faith, inadequate as it of course it is, as well as your Sunday, you have accepted on the authority of the Roman Catholic Church." D. B. Ray, The Papal Controversy, 1892, page 179

30 Candid Confessions of the Catholic Church!

"I have repeatedly offered $1000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church. Priest Thomas Enright, CSSR, President of Redemptorist College, Kansas City, Missouri, in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, and printed in the American Sentinel, June 1883, a New York Roman Catholic journal.

Kudos To the_Seeker   

@the_seeker:

You ran away and now claim you "proved". Your desire to push lies as truth has you going about repeating the same lies over and over that you won arguments whist what you did in that thread was "make" a plea to my "conscience" and gradually slink back into shadows! And in what writings did your "pholisopher" Philo write John 1:1? Give us references rather than your story-telling.

The message of the Bible is Love. For God and then your fellow man. These two settle everything. Your message is the Sword which is why Islam is called in Arabic "The religion of the sword" and why your saudi flag carries a sword under the words relating your allah's sovereignty and his choice of Muhammad. Every Biblical injunction points to you being in the face of your fellow man. do you know what it means to be in another person's face? Wild donkeys kick, fight, go on rampages. That was the prophecy made of Ishmael and why God rejected him. God does not like the Sword. He always chose Shepherds and farmers over fighters and hunters. That is why love/truth/peace are anathema to you and why your screen name is a sham. Get out of my face!

@Yisraylite:

We know Saturday was the Sabbath. However, like every other day, it was made for us rather than the other way around and every day, the Lord is worthy of worship. Your repeated vituperation over this singular issue suggests your scholarship starts and ends on this note.

Where did you see anyone say Emmanuel means Jesus and why does the order in which I placed the 2 quotes matter? Does your perch on the order not make it obvious you had nothing to say? Isn't it rather obvious that "Emmanuel" is more of a Title that the prophecy referred to a "personality" that would be God in our midst? You are (I hope) a human being. Does human being mean Yisraylite? See why you ought to think and drop your snifter of cheap brandy before you sit before a keyboard? At least your ally is waiting to get to al janaah before he starts his boozing! I asked you to share your understanding and your understanding is slinging insults about critical thinking. Ah well, bullies have no other recourse but to shout and keep doing so in the hope that raised voices will make their victims cower in fear.

You and your ally might carry swords but my staff will crack those empty heads

@nuclearboy

We know Saturday was the Sabbath. However, like every other day, it was made for us rather than the other way around and every day, the Lord is worthy of worship. Your repeated vituperation over this singular issue suggests your scholarship starts and ends on this note.

Ha, Ha, Ha,  simply laughable, keep sipping on that intoxicating wine of spiritual fornication your Vatican keeps pouring in your cup of abominations 

Who told you, the sabbath was made for you? most probably your Vatican written Zeus testament!!

[Your repeated vituperation over this singular issue suggests your scholarship starts and ends on this note.

Not impressed by your attempt at big speech  , This ain't your sunday school , Mr scholar

Let these scripts sink into your brain's membrane:


Lev 23:1 And YAHAWAH(YHWH) spoke to Masha, saying, 


Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Yisrayl, and say to them: 'The feasts of YAHAWAH(YHWH), which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts . 

Lev 23:3 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day [is] a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work [on it]; it [is] the Sabbath of YAHAWAH(YHWH) in all your dwellings.

Isa 58:13 "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, [From] doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy [day] of YAHAWAH (YHWH) honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking [your own] words

Isa 58:14 Then you shall delight yourself in YAHAWAH(YHWH); And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth, And feed you with the heritage of Yah'qob your father. The mouth of YAHAWAH(YHWH) has spoken.

I hope your big theological brain comprehended that, The CREATOR calls the Sabbath His Holy day and His feast day not yours,

We know Saturday was the Sabbath

, Yet I bet you still go to your church on sunday as mandated by your Catholic God

Enough of your poor attempts to stray from the issue, again show me the name Jesus in the so called OT?

Are you certain you are ready for me to  share the truth about these issues? or will your built in christian bias be a hinderance to  you understanding the real truth?

@nuclearboy

why does the order in which I placed the 2 quotes matter? Does your perch on the order not make it obvious you had nothing to say?

Typical Christian avoidance technique, I asked you a simple question, I really don't care in which order you placed your quotes, and has nothing to do with that, again which Testament or scriptures came first the Original testament or the fake new testament ?

Which account takes precedence , The account in John 1:1 or the account in Isa 44:24 ? think critically with your next reply

Funny that as you typed your drivel, another Catholic "image" of yourself was also attacking me. See my response at https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-369280.64.html#msg5184780. Where you've missed it is I'm a believer rather than member of any denomination.

I notice you are not giving kudos to your partner "the_seeker" now. That clown pointed out that the original greek called Jesus "A God" rather than "God". Yet after calling Him divine thus, he follows a religion that says Jesus is a slave.

I wonder what you will do if your donkey or dog falls into a ditch on a Saturday. Leave it there, I suppose since it is a Holy day?

Both OT and NT in this case serve my purpose. Take your pick and defend the hole in your head

@nuclearboy

I wonder what you will do if your donkey or dog falls into a ditch on a Saturday. Leave it there, I suppose since it is a Holy day?

Silly child! pulling a donkey from a ditch is an act of love for one of The Creator's creation, a poor defenseless animal,saving the donkey from the pain and uneccesary suffering due brought about by an accidental fall, this would not be considered working as in every day labor toiling for sustenance! use your brain or what's left of it

Stop your petty  attempts at avoiding the issues raised, everyone can clearly see that's what you are doing, answer or remain silent , Im sure The -Seeker can hold his own, so stop already with your tom foolery, I'm the one in your face Sun -day worshipper

Typical Christian avoidance technique, I asked you a simple question, I really don't care in which order you placed  your quotes, and has nothing to do with that, again which Testament or scriptures came first the Original testament or the fake new testament  ?

Eze 8:16 So He brought me into the inner court of YAHAWAH(YHWH)'s house; and there, at the door of the temple of YAHAWAH(YHWH), between the porch and the altar, [were] about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of YAHAWAH(YHWH) and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east


Your sort ain't nothing new The sun-day worship you practice has been an evil  since the original testament times!!!

Your attempts at humor would be laughable were they not ridiculous. As earlier stated, its obvious you've nothing to say outside Sunday! And I do not follow the creed your myopic mind dictates to you. Ever heard of such as the Seventh Day Adventist? Not that I attend that church but so do I not have any denomination or worship day. To humor you, Jew, tell me -

what are the issues you believe you've raised?

@nuclearboy

Since it seems you've got blinders on let me ask again

I asked you a simple question, I really don't care in which order you placed  your quotes, and has nothing to do with that, again which Testament or scriptures came first the Original testament or the fake new testament  ?

Which account takes precedence , The account in John 1:1 or the account in Isa 44:24 ? think critically with your next reply

Sorry, I'm not from Eastern Europe or Southern Russia, so I ain't no jew, unless you are trying to insult me, if so then its just water off a duck's back
The Law is given to mankind , not any man made religions

The Law is given to  mankind, you don't have to be a Jew,christian or moslem in order to show love to your brothers or sisters by observing The Law in the Original Testament , cos the Most high never gave mankind any religion, rather it is people like you that have been brainwashed to classify people and continue to promote your hatred of anyone who ain't like you.

Isa 66:23   And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another,and from one Sabbath to another, ALL FLESH shall come to worship before Me," says YAHAWAH.


Ecc 12:13   Here is the conclusion: Reverence YAHAWAH and obey HIS Commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

(Not  Hebrew, Moslem, Christian or Jew, but all mankind period!)

I answer your questions,

I wonder what you will do if your donkey or dog falls into a ditch on a Saturday. Leave it there, I suppose since it is a Holy day?

Silly child! pulling a donkey from a ditch is an act of love for one of The Creator's creation, a poor defenseless animal,saving the donkey from the pain and uneccesary suffering due brought about by an accidental fall, this would not be considered working as in every day labor toiling for sustenance! use your brain or what's left of it

but you can't answer a simple question without resorting to silly diversionary tactics go figure ! genius

You ask which came 1st between the "ORIGINAL" testament and the "FAKE NEW" testament. My answer is that there are two testaments in the Scriptures and the OLD testament precedes the NEW testament. My refusal to answer was based on the words you used. Except you can prove the "fakeness" of either one of these, something is wrong with your question.

As to precedence between Scriptures, I'd like to see you date the two. The fact that the Redeemer spoke to Cyrus does not provide a dating. He could have said this at the beginning of creation and made it known to Isaiah in his day. John 1:1 has the same explanation IMO. Again here, what matters is that both are contained in the Scriptures. The language form does not allow precedence.

Thanks for the appellation "Genius". To my own mind, that word is not applicable to you in any form.

@nuclearboy

You ask which came 1st between the "ORIGINAL" testament and the "FAKE NEW" testament. My answer is that there are two testaments in the Scriptures and the OLD testament precedes the NEW testament. [s]My refusal to answer was based on the words you used. Except you can prove the "fakeness" of either one of these, something is wrong with your question.

As to precedence between Scriptures, I'd like to see you date the two. The fact that the Redeemer spoke to Cyrus does not provide a dating. He could have said this at the beginning of creation and made it known to Isaiah in his day. John 1:1 has the same explanation IMO. Again here, what matters is that both are contained in the Scriptures. The language form does not allow precedence.[/s]

Thanks for the answer, the rest is simply gibberish by the labels, common sense dictates that the so called Old came before the New period!

Except you can prove the "fakeness" of either one of these, something is wrong with your question.

We 've finally arrived at the precipice, The fakeness of the Zeus Testament

1,The Original Testament is only book authorized for meditation and instruction:

Yah 1:8   "This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth (TORAH-Instruction), but you shall meditate in it day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." 

Psa 1:2   But his delight is in the law of YAHAWAH, And in His law he meditates day and night.

2, The Book of the law is complete with nothing more to be added to it:

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Masha(Mosheh,Moses) had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

Deu 4:2   "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the Laws of YAHAWAH your Father which I command you

Ecc 3:14   I know that whatever YAHAWAH does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, and nothing taken from it YAHAWAH does it, that men should have reverence before Him.

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar

3, The Book of the Law was sealed,

Dan 12:4 "But you, Daniyl, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase." 

4, The LAW of the Creator is perfect and flawless, therefore it cannot be done away with or nailed to cross

Psa 19:7 The law of YAHAWAH(YHWH) is perfect, converting the person; The testimony of YAHAWAH(YHWH) is sure, making wise the simple;

THE  FAKE TEASTAMENT IS NOT THE BOOK OF THE LAW! AND IN FACT PROMOTES THE OUT RIGHT HATRED OF THE CREATOR'S LAWS[/B]

Gal 2:19 For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness [comes] through the law, then Christ died in vain." 

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them

Eph 2:15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, [that is], the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man [from] the two, [thus] making peace,

Col 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

[b] 5, The Original Testament says The Creator is our Savior

Isa 43:11   I, even I, am YAHAWAH, and besides Me there is no savior. (so much for Jesus Christ a.k.a  Ea-Zeus Christos)

Isa 45:21 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, YAHAWAH? And there is no other source of power besides Me, A Just Father and a SAVIOR; There is none besides Me

Hsa 13:4 "Yet I am YAHAWAH your Father ever since the land of Egypt, And you will acknowledge no power or authority but Me; For there is no savior besides Me.

While the fake testament says Jesus is the savior

Tts 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior

Tts 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

6, The original Testament says there is only one Creator!

Isa 42:5 Thus says YAHAWAH your FATHER, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it:

Isa 44:24 Thus says YAHAWAH, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: "I AM YAHAWAH, Who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself

While the fake Tesament says Jesus is the Creator

Eph 3:9 and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

7, Abba YAHAWAH says through the Prophet Yahshayah(Isaiah) this

Isa 48:12 Listen to Me, O Yah'qob, And Yis'rayl, My called: I AM HE, I AM THE FIRST, I AM ALSO THE LAST.


While Jesus in the lying Testament says this:

Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, [the] Beginning and [the] End, the First and the Last."

So Who is the True First and Last? YAHAWAH or Jesus?

8, In the Original Testament, The Creator says there is none equal to HIm and none can be compared to HIM

Isa 40:25 "To whom then will you liken Me, Or to whom shall I be equal?" says the Holy One. 

Isa 46:5 "To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal And compare Me, that we should be alike

Yet, Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is equal to The Creator and is the co-creator of all (see John Chapter1:1) they also say when you see Jesus, then you've seen their God!

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 

Phl 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God

What!

9, In the original Testament,The Creator says He shall rebuild His Holy City Holy Mt Zion!

Psa 69:35 For YAHAWAH will save Zion And build the cities of Yahadah, That they may dwell there and possess it. 

Psa 102:16 For YAHAWAH shall build up Zion; He shall appear in His glory

Eze 36:10 I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Yisrayl, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt

Amo 9:11 "On that day I will raise up The tabernacle of Dawad, which has fallen down, And repair its damages; I will raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old

While Jesus & John and the Vatican  write in the fake Revelations that  Zion shall come from outer space

Rev 21:2 Then I, John,  saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God

These two recorded accounts can not co-exist,they both can't be true, so which one you believe to be true? Again, according to the original scripts, Abba shall build up Zion not fly Zion in from outer space

ABBA YAHAWAH is The FOUNTAIN OF LIVING WATERS and DOES NOT APPROVE OF OR ACCEPT HUMAN BLOOD SACRIFICE AS THE HEATHEN GODS(ELOHIM) DO.

Psa 106:37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils

Eze 16:20" Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter,

Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to YAHAWAH; to Gods (Elohyim) whom they knew not, to new Gods (Elohyim) that came newly up, whom your fathers reverenced not.

Yer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Yahadah to sin.

While the fake testament teaches that it's God sacrificed his son for the sins of the world

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

1Cr 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 

1Pe 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed

Yet you continue to believe that The Creator received the blood of your Jesus as a sacrifice for sins of the world. This is a pure paganistic doctrine and conception.  Remember! YAHAWAH WILL NEVER LET ANYONE DIE FOR YOUR SINS – EZE 18:20 &  HE NEVER LET ABRAHAM SPILL YITZ-HAK'S BLOOD either, HE provided an ram for that - Gen 22:13 (so much for the shadow of things to come doctrine)

In the original testament,The Creator calls Yisrayl His Son

Ex 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says YAHAWAH: "Yisrayl is My son, My firstborn. 

Ex 4:23 So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn."

Hsa 11:1 "When Yisrayl was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son.

Psa 89:20   I HAVE FOUND MY SERVANT DAWAD(David-The BRANCH of Yishai – see Isa 11:1); With MY HOLY OIL I HAVE ANOINTED HIM,

Psa 89:27   AND I WILL MAKE HIM  MY FIRSTBORN, higher than of the kings of the earth.

Psa 2:7 "I will declare the decree: YAHAWAH has said to Me (Yisrayl-,spoken by King Dawad, AYAH'S anointed king over Yisrayl), 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

THe Creator also Identifies Ephraim , one of the Twelve tribes of the Nation Yisrayl as HIS Son and Also first born,


Yer(Jer) 31:9 They shall come with weeping, And with supplications I will lead them. I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters, In a straight way in which they shall not stumble; For I am a Father to Yisrayl, And Ephraim [is] My firstborn.

Yer(Jer) 31:20 [Is] Ephraim My dear son? [Is he] a pleasant child? For though I spoke against him, I earnestly remember him still; Therefore My heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him, says YAHAWAH

While the fake Testament  calls Jesus the son of its God

Mat 14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, "Truly You are the Son of God." 

Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared [Him].   

I hope you can see the major diff b/w The Book of The Law and your New Testament, and this is just the tip of the iceberg, but I'll stop for now for and wait for your response

Dude, I named one old muslim chap here Voltron for his comic attempts to defend the indefensible. You, I re-christen "Daftron". I started out actually irritated at you. Your last post has me bent in half with laughter. I will not go down the path of verbose responses with you but I wonder

[1] Who were the people YAHAWAH was speaking to in your "ONLY" true testament?
[2] Did the promises YAHAWAH make therein include others outside His "then" called out people; Israel?
[3] I remember you stating your being not a Jew. If so, what concerns your pagan YAHAWAH "cursed" a*se with the covenant and promises YAHAWAH gave His people, the Jews in the OT?
[4] The "fake" testament opened His promises to all of creation. Since it is fake, that invitation to us (you included) is fake so why are you not on your knees worshiping baal or nimrod or living in sodom and gomorrah?
[5] How dare you consider Him as God? You were rejected thousands of years ago by Him if the NT is fake and your father is satan.

@ nuclearboy

So said nuclearboy " Mummy! Mummy! I 'don't want to play anymore ,I'm getting my backside kicked on the playground

Cat's got you tongue now so diversionary tactics are in play?

Dude, I named one old muslim chap here Voltron for his comic attempts to defend the indefensible. You, I re-christen "Daftron". I started out actually irritated at you. Your last post has me bent in half with laughter. I will not go down the path of verbose responses with you but I wonder

that's all you've got to say? utter foolishness? let me bring some more wisdom your way since you can not refute line by line all what I have posted

[1] Who were the people YAHAWAH was speaking to in your "ONLY" true testament?

I guess I'm now the authur of the Original Testament, please do not flatter me

1, Exd 12:49 One law shall be for the native-born(Yisraylite) and for the stranger(Gentile) who dwells among you."


Lev 24:22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I [am] YAHAWAH your FATHER.' " 

Num 15:16 One law and one custom shall be for you and for the stranger who dwells with you.'"

Isa 66:23   And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another,and from one Sabbath to another, ALL FLESH shall come to worship before Me," says YAHAWAH.

ALL FLESH!!! NOT ONLY YISRAYLITES OR GENTILES, BUT EVRYONE ON THIS EARTH!!!!!

Ecc 12:13   Here is the conclusion: Reverence YAHAWAH and obey HIS Commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. (Not  Hebrew, Moslem, Christian or Jew, but all mankind period!)

[2] Did the promises YAHAWAH make therein include others outside His "then" called out people; Israel?

 
Deu 32:43 "Rejoice, O Gentiles, [with] His people; For He will avenge the blood of His servants, And render vengeance to His adversaries; He will provide atonement for His land [and] His people." 

Psa 117:1 Praise YAHAWAH, all you Gentiles! Laud Him, all you peoples!

Isa 11:10   "And in that day there shall be a Root of Yishai(King Dawad), Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."

1 Sam 16:1 Then YAHAWAH said to Samuyl, "How long will you mourn for Shaul, seeing I have rejected him from being king over Yisrayl? Fill your horn with oil, and go; I am sending you to Yishai of Bethlehem. For I have provided Myself a king from among his sons."

Isa 11:1   There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Yishai and a Branch shall grow out of his roots.

1Sa 17:12  Now Dawad was the son of that Ephrathite of Bethlehem Yahadah ( see Micah 5: 2 ), whose name was Yishai; and he had eight sons: and the man went among men for an old man in the days of Shaul.
1Sa 16:10   Thus Yishai made seven of his sons pass before Samuyl. And Samuyl said to Yishai, " YAHAWAH  has not chosen these."

1Sa 16:11   And Samuyl said to Yishai, "Are all the young men here?" Then he said, "There remains yet the youngest, and there he is, keeping the sheep." And Samuyl said to Yishai, "Send and bring him. For we will not sit down till he comes here."

1Sa 16:12   So he sent and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking. And YAHAWAH said, "ARISE,  ANOINT HIM; FOR THIS IS THE ONE!"

Isa 11:2   The Spirit of YAHAWAH shall rest upon Him, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, The Spirit of counsel and might, The Spirit of knowledge and of the Reverence of YAHAWAH.

1Sa 16:13   Then Samuyl took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of  YAHAWAH came upon Dawad from that day forward. So Samuyl arose and went to Ramah

Isa 42:1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One [in whom] My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles

[3] I remember you stating your being not a Jew. If so, what concerns your pagan YAHAWAH "cursed" a*se with the covenant and promises YAHAWAH gave His people, the Jews in the OT?

My! my !my! why the hostility and name calling, I see your true colors are starting to show

Jews are from Europe so how can I be a jew? I guess it's the same as having black christians, people who have converted to the caucasian man's traditions and culture.

Masha,Musa or Moses was born an African in Egypt

Yisrayl is located in North east Africa now called the middle East,

Gen 13:1 Then Abram went up from Egypt, he and his wife and all that he had, and Lot with him, to the South

What country is south of Egypt? Sudan or from Gen 2:11 called Havilah

Gen 25:18 (They dwelt from Havilah as far as Shur, which [is] east of Egypt as you go toward Assyria.) He died in the presence of all his brethren. 


Gen 25:19 This [is] the genealogy of Yitz'hak, Abraham's son. Abraham begot Yitz'hak

Ab-ra -ham's sons dwelt from Havilah(Sudan) to Shur, Our ancestors were no Europeans and definitely no Jews

The Law was given to Masha,Musa or Moses an African born in Egypt not any Jews   

Exd 24:12 Then YAHAWAH said to Masha(Moses), "Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them."

[4] The "fake" testament opened His promises to all of creation. Since it is fake, that invitation to us (you included) is fake so why are you not on your knees worshiping baal or nimrod or living in sodom and gomorrah?

Liar ! liar! pants on fire 

The Creator's promises have been open from the Original Testament, see answers [1] & [2] again

[5] How dare you consider Him as God? You were rejected thousands of years ago by Him if the NT is fake and your father is satan

I didn't get this one so calm down and repost by conveying your question clearly so I can give you a befitting reply

Basically, you revile Jesus, believe the NT fake and its message false. Your quotes can be divided into two - those relating to the gentiles living inside Israel and those relating to everyone on Earth after God had split the curtain and stopped separating. The quotes you claim support your point of view and that you see as relating to the entirety of earth, Christians believe became available through Christ. You deny this! What then is the basis of our conversation? We believe in different things and neither of us will shift his ground.

Enjoy yourself looking for ways to sit in your comfort zone.

@ nuclearboy

Basically, you revile Jesus, believe the NT fake and its message false. Your quotes can be divided into two - those relating to the gentiles living inside Israel and those relating to everyone on Earth after God had split the curtain and stopped separating. The quotes you claim support your point of view and that you see as relating to the entirety of earth, Christians believe became available through Christ. You deny this! What then is the basis of our conversation? We believe in different things and neither of us will shift his ground.

Enjoy yourself looking for ways to sit in your comfort zone.

Yeap that pretty much sums it up my point of view? wow! you really dissapoint me, everything I have quoted is in your Bible, The NAME of THE CREATOR may have been replaced with Lord God, but the writtings are the same, Open your eyes Bro and quit being stiffnecked!

8, In the Original Testament, The Creator says there is none equal to HIm and none can be compared to HIM

Isa 40:25 "To whom then will you liken Me, Or to whom shall I be equal?" says the Holy One. 

Isa 46:5 "To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal And compare Me, that we should be alike

Yet, Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is equal to The Creator and is the co-creator of all (see John Chapter1:1) they also say when you see Jesus, then you've seen their God!

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 

Phl 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God

There can be only one right account so which one do you believe?


[QUOTE]5, The Original Testament says The Creator is our Savior

Isa 43:11   I, even I, am YAHAWAH, and besides Me there is no savior. (so much for Jesus Christ a.k.a  Ea-Zeus Christos)

Isa 45:21 Tell and bring forth your case; Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, YAHAWAH? And there is no other source of power besides Me, A Just Father and a SAVIOR; There is none besides Me

Hsa 13:4 "Yet I am YAHAWAH your Father ever since the land of Egypt, And you will acknowledge no power or authority but Me; For there is no savior besides Me.

While the fake testament says Jesus is the savior

Tts 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior

Tts 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ [/QUOTE]

There can be only one right account so which one do you believe?


ARE YOU SUDDENLY GOING TO TRY TO SAVE FACE WITH THAT LAME EXCUSE YOU JUST GAVE IN YOUR  POST,STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE DUDE

Yisraylite:

@ nuclearboy

Yeap that pretty much sums it up my point of view? wow! you really dissapoint me, everything I have quoted is in your Bible, The NAME of THE CREATOR may have been replaced with Lord God, but the writtings are the same, Open your eyes Bro and quit being stiffnecked!

There can be only one right account so which one do you believe?

You want me to stand up for what I believe in, right?

Prove that Is 43:11, Is 45:21, Titus 3:6 and Titus 2:13 do not speak of the same entity. In effect, prove that Jesus is not Jehovah from those scriptures. You used them to support a position. Now PROVE (spelt P R O V E) from these what you claim so we move from theories to FACTS. Don't ask me where the name Jesus is in the OT except if you can first show me the exact word Jehovah in Titus 2:13.

No more saving face. No more daft smileys to cover the holes and pass across an impression of success. Use what you expect of me on yourself. I await

@nuclearboy

You want me to stand up for what I believe in, right?

Prove that Is 43:11, Is 45:21, Titus 3:6 and Titus 2:13 do not speak of the same entity. In effect, prove that Jesus is not Jehovah from those scriptures. You used them to support a position. Now PROVE (spelt  P R O V E) from these what you claim so we move from theories to FACTS. Don't ask me where the name Jesus is in the OT except if you can first show me the exact word Jehovah in Titus 2:13.

No more saving face. No more daft smileys to cover the holes and pass across an impression of success. Use what you expect of me on yourself. I await

You are being intellectually dishonest Bro! the thread can bare witness that I've answered pretty much most of the questions you've asked yet you can not answer mine?

Seriously Dude you can't answer a question by asking another question, so my question still stands

Yisraylite:

@ nuclearboy

Yeap that pretty much sums it up my point of view? wow! you really dissapoint me, everything I have quoted is in your Bible, The NAME of THE CREATOR may have been replaced with Lord God, but the writtings are the same, Open your eyes Bro and quit being stiffnecked!

There can be only one right account so which one do you believe?

Your reasoning here is on the level of an elementry school kid  

Don't ask me where the name Jesus is in the OT except if you can first show me the exact word Jehovah in Titus 2:13.

That would be like saying You were born  before your Father who existed before you doesn't make  a lick of sense

I answered your question, boy! If you suddenly find English tough, would that be because you've nothing to say? My answer was that both accounts complement each other and speak of the same entity. We await your "proof" that this assertion is wrong.

Prove that Is 43:11, Is 45:21, Titus 3:6 and Titus 2:13 do not speak of the same entity. In effect, prove that Jesus is not Jehovah from those scriptures. You used them to support a position. Now PROVE (spelt P R O V E) from these what you claim so we move from theories to FACTS. Don't ask me where the name Jesus is in the OT except if you can first show me the exact word Jehovah in Titus 2:13.

My thought process is not on trial here. Use your own judgment on yourself and answer the above. The answer you sought from me is above AGAIN.

You wrote
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That would be like saying You were born before your Father who existed before you. doesn't make a lick of sense
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Dude, show me Jehovah in John 6:54 and I'll show you Jesus in the OT! Or are you finally accepting Jesus and Jehovah are the same?

Whose pants are on fire now? Better go back to the beanstalk and ask your daddy jack for help with halftruths

This thread as turned into another battle ground for nuclear boy and our confused "Jew" Yisraylite. The purpose of the thread is to explain the good news in better perspective using today's language and terminologies so that we can understand and relate to it better. But trust nairalanders to de-rail any thread

@KunleOshob

This thread as turned into another battle ground for nuclear boy and our confused "Jew" Yisraylite. The purpose of the thread is to explain the good news in better perspective using today's language and terminologies so that we can understand and relate to it better. But trust nairalanders to de-rail any thread

it never seizes to amaze me the dishonesty and unrighteousness you potray when you make comments like this

This thread as turned into another battle ground for nuclear boy and our confused "Jew" Yisraylite

Even though nuclearboy and I are rolling,yet I'm the one you've chosen to insult well I did not expect any different from you

As to the issue of confusion, Nuclearboy says your Jesus is your Father and God, while you say your Jesus is the son of your God and not the Creator/Father,so I wonder who are the confused ones here