Deuteronomy 23:1
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

1 Samuel 18:25-27
Then Saul said,“Thus shall you say to David,‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.

Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan,“Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.

Exodus 4:24-25
Now it came about at the lodging place on the way that the LORD met him and sought to put him to death. Then Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son’s foreskin and threw it at Moses’ feet, and she said,“You are indeed a bridegroom of blood to me.”

Ezekiel 16:17
You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose ge.nitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

BIBLE STANDARD AND MORALITY:WHAT AN IMMORAL "WORD OF GOD" INDEED!!!


IN.CEST IN THE BIBLE:


1.) Lot In.cestous encounter with his daughters:

Genesis 19:33-35
33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

2.) Jacob Son's Incestous replationship with his father's wife:

Genesis 35:22
22And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it. Now the sons of Jacob were twelve:


3.) Judah (ancestor of your "lord and savior" commits prostitution and in.cest and pregnantes his son's wife

Genesis 38:15-18
15When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.

16And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?

17And he said, I will send thee a kid from the flock. And she said, Wilt thou give me a pledge, till thou send it?

18And he said, What pledge shall I give thee? And she said, Thy signet, and thy bracelets, and thy staff that is in thine hand. And he gave it her, and came in unto her, and she conceived by him.


IN.CEST AND RA.PE BETWEEN BROTHER AND SISTER(children of "holy" David)

2 Samuel 13:5-14 :
5And Jonadab said unto him, Lay thee down on thy bed, and make thyself sick: and when thy father cometh to see thee, say unto him, I pray thee, let my sister Tamar come, and give me meat, and dress the meat in my sight, that I may see it, and eat it at her hand.

6So Amnon lay down, and made himself sick: and when the king was come to see him, Amnon said unto the king, I pray thee, let Tamar my sister come, and make me a couple of cakes in my sight, that I may eat at her hand.

7Then David sent home to Tamar, saying, Go now to thy brother Amnon's house, and dress him meat.

8So Tamar went to her brother Amnon's house; and he was laid down. And she took flour, and kneaded it, and made cakes in his sight, and did bake the cakes.

9And she took a pan, and poured them out before him; but he refused to eat. And Amnon said, Have out all men from me. And they went out every man from him.

10And Amnon said unto Tamar, Bring the meat into the chamber, that I may eat of thine hand. And Tamar took the cakes which she had made, and brought them into the chamber to Amnon her brother.

11And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.

12And she answered him, Nay, my brother, do not force me; for no such thing ought to be done in Israel: do not thou this folly.

13And I, whither shall I cause my shame to go? and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee.

14Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.



WHOLESALE RA.PING AND IN.CEST BETWEEN SON (of David) AND HIS MOTHERS!


2 Samuel 16:22
22So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel

BIBLICAL GOD GIVES AWAY THE WIVES OF HIS BELOVED DAVID TO BE RA.PED AS PUNISHMENT!

2 Samuel 12:11-12
11Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

12For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.


ONANISM


Genesis 38:8-9
8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.



PROPHETS BUT NA.KED IN THE BIBLE!


(a) “And he (Noah) drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he lay unclothed within his tent.” GENESIS 9-21

(b) ‘And he (Saul) stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down unclothed all that day and all that night Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets? ” 1 SAMUEL 19:24

(c) “How glorious was the king of Israel (David) to day, who UNCOVERED (became unclothed) himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly UNCOVERS himself 2 SAMUEL 6:20

(d) And the Lord said, like as my servant ISAIAH hath walked unclothed and barefoot three years . . . ” . . young and old, unclothed and barefoot, even with their buttocks UNCOVERED, to the shame of Egypt. ISAIAH 20:3-4


SON OF "RIGHTEOUS" DAVID RA.PES HIS SISTER!


Howbeit he (Amnon, one of the sons of David) would not hearken unto her this sister Tamar’s voice: but, being stronger than she, forced (violated) her, and LAY (Were Intimate) with her.” 2 SAMUEL 13:14


“Man after God’s own heart”,DAVID COMMITS ADULTERY!


And David sent messengers, and took her (Bathsheba); and she came in unto him, and he LAY (had intercourse) with her. . . 2 SAMUEL 11:4


DO YOU STILL REGARD THE BIBLE WITH ALL THE ABOVE EVIL AND WICKEDNESS AS THE "WORD OF GOD"?IF SUCH ARE THE PRIESTS THEN MAY GOD BLESS THE CONGREGATION!!!

Religion.

@op u must be insane
1.What r u trying to prove or where r u heading to?
2.U don't even sound smart b'cos u fail to realise that the Bible did not conceal it 4rm us as u deluded beings always make by saying the bible concealed lots of things 4rm us.abi is it not a Bible u got it from?
3.Do churches collect Bibles 4rm its members?So if i get home and decide 2 read it nko?
All I want to know,is where u r heading with this ur post?

@ phillip
Please try to comprehend and don't insult people on the forum

HE SAID BIBLE VERSES THE CHURCH CONCEALS FROM YOUR EARS

apocalypse:

@ phillip
Please try to comprehend and don't insult people on the forum

HE SAID BIBLE VERSES THE CHURCH CONCEALS FROM YOUR EARS

my friend stop trying to be brainy. . .on what grounds does he make that assertion?How many Churches has he being to,to come to that conclusion?Which churches is he refering to?or is he just formulating something 4rm his skull?

philip0906:

@op u must be insane
1.What r u trying to prove or where r u heading to?
2.U don't even sound smart b'cos u fail to realise that the Bible did not conceal it 4rm us as u deluded beings always make by saying the bible concealed lots of things 4rm us.abi is it not a Bible u got it from?
3.Do churches collect Bibles 4rm its members?So if i get home and decide 2 read it nko?
All I want to know,is where u r heading with this your post?

philip0906:

my friend stop trying to be brainy. . .on what grounds does he make that assertion?How many Churches has he being to,to come to that conclusion?Which churches is he refering to?or is he just formulating something 4rm his skull?

Be honest won't this be the first time in your life ever seeing such repugnant verses? if Not what are such verses doing in the bible @Lagoshia, pls have mercy on this people this phillip man almost became an atheist

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what d heck iz u whining about?

Whining is what you do when you can not explain why repugnant verses are found in the bible, my questions are clear

1. Be honest won't this be the first time in your life ever seeing such repugnant verses?

2. if Not what are such verses doing in the bible

Please read the Gospels to understand that christians are not bound by the Old Testament.Jesus tells us that those laws were meant for the israelites as they were stubborn .The old testament is in the bible as a guideline,as proof that jesus was the messiah as all the prophecies are in the old testament,as a book that shows how christianity emerged from judaism and as a historical book.Christians are bound to the Gospel books,that is why we are called Christ-ians.We are not bound by any law in the old testament because if we were,there would be many contradictions like being forbidden from eating pork in Numbers but it being allowed in the Gospels(Jesus said that what goes into your mouth is clean.It is what comes out of it is what is unclean)and in the book of Acts in Peter's vision.Since we follow Christ the Gospel law is supreme to Numbers.So if you want to quote a verse that the church has been hiding from us quote the Gospels and Acts(Letters of St paul are letters,not books)ions like being forbidden from eating pork in Numbers but it being allowed in the Gospels(Jesus said that what goes into your mouth is clean.It is what comes out of it is what is unclean)and in the book of Acts in Peter's vision.Since we follow Christ the Gospel law is supreme to Numbers.So if you want to quote a verse that the church has been hiding from us quote the Gospels and Acts(Letters of St paul are letters,not books)

U must be dreaming. How many churches have u attended so far for u to know that the verses arent being discussed therein?

vedaxcool:

Whining is what you do when you can not explain why repugnant verses are found in the bible, my questions are clear

1. Be honest won't this be the first time in your life ever seeing such repugnant verses?

2. if Not what are such verses doing in the bible 

I am sorry ,  this is the reason why the bible is genuine.

God does not specialize in cover-ups like ALLAH, the TRUTH is there for all to see. These people mentioned incurred judgement , some lost their lives and were ruined.

But these were followers and not the man of GOD himself.

Let us bring the emphasis back to MUHAMMAD, Your prophet. He is your ROLE MODEL and a terrible one at that. he violated, married many wives. Let us talk about him , yes, because he was the so called LAST PROPHET.

He married 13 wives and yet allows his blind followers marry only 4 . 


Muhammad's wives


1.Khadijah bint Khuwaylid

2.Sawda bint Zamʿa

3.Aisha bint Abi Bakr ------ 6 YEAR OLD !!!

4.Hafsa bint Umar

5.Zaynab bint Khuzayma

6.Hind bint Abi Umayya

7.Zaynab bint Jahsh

8.Juwayriya bint al-Harith

9.Ramlah bint Abi Sufyan

10.Rayhana bint Zayd

11.Safiyya bint Huyayy

12.Maymuna bint al-Harith

13.Maria al-Qibtiyya


The TRUTH is he WAS SEX MAD !!!!!!!  And a Large portion of the Quran was written to make allowances for his wanton behavior.

YET this is your ROLE MODEL. 

Shocking !!!


Compared to JESUS it is an INSULT , but even to Moses and PAUL, he was a very IMMORAL MAN.


LOVE,


FROSBEL.

Say unpopular bible verses, not bible verse churches conceal

They are not concealed by the church. They are there for all who are interested to see and know and learn. You should also read the new testament. May the lord give you understanding.

frosbel:


I am sorry ,  this is the reason why the bible is genuine.

God does not specialize in cover-ups like ALLAH, the TRUTH is there for all to see. These people mentioned incurred judgement , some lost their lives and were ruined.

you are lying!

the God of your bible showed no disgust and reprimanded no one.infact the only case we see the biblical god punishing anyone for adultery was when he handed out David's wife to his neighbor so that she may be ra.ped as punishment for her husband's adultery.also,it was the unborn and innocent baby of David that was killed by your god.check it in your bible:

2 Samuel 12:11-14
"This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.
, But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the Lord show utter contempt,a the son born to you will die.”

But these were followers and not the man of GOD himself.

David,Lot,Judah (the "blessed" ancestor of your lord and saviour,Jesus) were all men of God in the bible and said to be "annoited".stop lying!!!

Let us bring the emphasis back to MUHAMMAD, Your prophet. He is your ROLE MODEL and a terrible one at that. he violated, married many wives. Let us talk about him , yes, because he was the so called LAST PROPHET.

He married 13 wives and yet allows his blind followers marry only 4 . 


Muhammad's wives


1.Khadijah bint Khuwaylid

2.Sawda bint Zamʿa

3.Aisha bint Abi Bakr ------ 6 YEAR OLD !!!

4.Hafsa bint Umar

5.Zaynab bint Khuzayma

6.Hind bint Abi Umayya

7.Zaynab bint Jahsh

8.Juwayriya bint al-Harith

9.Ramlah bint Abi Sufyan

10.Rayhana bint Zayd

11.Safiyya bint Huyayy

12.Maymuna bint al-Harith

13.Maria al-Qibtiyya


The TRUTH is he WAS SEX MAD !!!!!!!  And a Large portion of the Quran was written to make allowances for his wanton behavior.

YET this is your ROLE MODEL. 

Shocking !!!


Compared to JESUS it is an INSULT , but even to Moses and PAUL, he was a very IMMORAL MAN.


LOVE,


FROSBEL.

when i want to expose the bible,i dont throw accusations and insult from my stomach because i am over fed or because of blind hatred.i quote from the bible.if you sure Muhammad (sa) was immoral and married a 6 years old (which has being refuted here a zillionth time),then bring evidence from the Quran and islamic sources and let us examine them and compare.

deceit will not work on this forum again.this is what you have failed to realize.i am here to hammer you and pursue you however you try to run and hide.i am here to make you beg for mercy and use my fingers to open your blind eyes so that you may see the truth.

GERALD710:

Please read the Gospels to understand that christians are not bound by the Old Testament.Jesus tells us that those laws were meant for the israelites as they were stubborn .The old testament is in the bible as a guideline,as proof that jesus was the messiah as all the prophecies are in the old testament,as a book that shows how christianity emerged from judaism and as a historical book.Christians are bound to the Gospel books,that is why we are called Christ-ians.We are not bound by any law in the old testament because if we were,there would be many contradictions like being forbidden from eating pork in Numbers but it being allowed in the Gospels(Jesus said that what goes into your mouth is clean.It is what comes out of it is what is unclean)and in the book of Acts in Peter's vision.Since we follow Christ the Gospel law is supreme to Numbers.So if you want to quote a verse that the church has been hiding from us quote the Gospels and Acts(Letters of St paul are letters,not books)ions like being forbidden from eating pork in Numbers but it being allowed in the Gospels(Jesus said that what goes into your mouth is clean.It is what comes out of it is what is unclean)and in the book of Acts in Peter's vision.Since we follow Christ the Gospel law is supreme to Numbers.So if you want to quote a verse that the church has been hiding from us quote the Gospels and Acts(Letters of St paul are letters,not books)

my problem is not solved when you excuse yourself that what has being presented is mostly from the OT.as far as i know christians believe that the entire bible,the OT inclusive is "divinely inspired and the infallible word of God".they believe that the entire bible,the OT inclusive is the word of Jehovah.so whatever is found therein is to be attributed to the will of Jehovah.does your God change his mind?so everything in the bible regardless in which section it is found is from your God.true or false?

vedaxcool:

Be honest won't this be the first time in your life ever seeing such repugnant verses?

First time? This is laughable. Do you think the Bible is like that false hodge-podge of lies, fables and myths that is called the "quran", that most Muslims barely understand. But of course Islam and Roman Catholicism are the same in that they both seek to hide the truth, so they assume that is what others will do.

The verses are repugnant to you Muslims because of your delusion that your prophet was sinless. These verses in the Bible clearly show that all men including and most especially Mohammed ibn Abdullah are sinners. Only Jesus the Messiah is without sin.
Muslims are afraid when they see these verses (for the Bible describes man as he is) because it reminds them that Mohammed is a sinner and they have put their hope in a sinner. By attacking these verses they seek to assuage their fears.

In any case why do the Islamic fables claim that the "prophet" had his heart washed by water from the well? Why did he need this?

aletheia:

First time? This is laughable. Do you think the Bible is like that false hodge-podge of lies, fables and myths that is called the "quran", that most Muslims barely understand. But of course Islam and Roman Catholicism are the same in that they both seek to hide the truth, so they assume that is what others will do.

The verses are repugnant to you Muslims because of your delusion that your prophet was sinless. These verses in the Bible clearly show that all men including and most especially Mohammed ibn Abdullah are sinners. Only Jesus the Messiah is without sin.
Muslims are afraid when they see these verses (for the Bible describes man as he is) because it reminds them that Mohammed is a sinner and they have put their hope in a sinner. By attacking these verses they seek to assuage their fears.

In any case why do the Islamic fables claim that the "prophet" had his heart washed by water from the well? Why did he need this?

dear "frosbel" (with another username),

these men who acted immoral and the immorality is found in your bible.infact,this is not the issue about men and being human or with sin.this issue is about the immorality that your god approved of to be in the bible.these acts were committed by men that your god approved of and he praised them in your bible without measure.these are meants to be exemplary.
you can believe all you want that Jesus was angelic.but what happens to the others who were the "righteous" ancestors of Jesus.are you happy to see that the ancestors of Jesus were all sinners of the highest magnitude?they committed acts that even the deprave in today's world would not commit.are you happy to see that his great grand father was an adulterer?are you happy to see that Jesus' linage in the bible can be traced to an adulterous relationship that also included in.cest (i.e. Judah's sons,from whom Jesus descended).you know well how much effort christians put into preaching and justifying Jesus being the messiah because he was from the linage of David.if not for your imagination that sin is not transmitted through the father,i wonder why Jesus is seen differently.or are you denying that Mary (as) Jesus' mother can also be seen in a bad image if you accept that the others were bad? if Mary (as) was sinful and of an evil nature,remember she was Jesus' mother.

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I am not frosbel. Behave yourself!

They were all sinners. You can choke on that if you like. So now you seek to advance Roman Catholic rationalization. Not surprising really, seeing that Islam is but the daughter of Rome.

Mary was also a sinner in need of the grace of God.

aletheia:

^
I am not frosbel. Behave yourself!

They were all sinners. You can choke on that if you like. So now you seek to advance Roman Catholic rationalization. Not surprising really, seeing that Islam is but the daughter of Rome.

Mary was also a sinner in need of the grace of God.

they were not only sinners.they were immoral of the highest magnitude.and your god approved of them and called them "righteous" and "annoited" and "beloved".infact they were the ancestors of your "lord and saviour" Jesus.if you trace the linage of Jesus according to the bible and you reach at Judah,you will see that Jesus' ancestors were born from adultery and in.cest.christians like propagating that Jesus will inherit the thrown of his grandfather David.David is also called an "adulterer" in the bible.these men who are blessed have committed the worse sins any human being can commit.yet they were blessed and dear to your god.what message are you sending?you are telling the world that it is okay to be immoral.

so you behave yourself or get trashed!

Muhammad was a false prophet , as simple as ABC.

LagosShia:

they were not only sinners.they were immoral of the highest magnitude.and your god approved of them and called them "righteous" and "annoited" and "beloved".

^
Indeed! And that is something you Muslims do not understand unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. As it is written: (Ps 32:1-2 [KJV]) Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

The Bible tells it as it is: warts and all that you may see that all men without exception (including the true and false prophets) are sinners. Even your Mohammed had an intimation of that for in your Islamic tales we find that he needed his heart washed by water from a well. Why did Mohammed ibn Abdullah need to have his heart washed by water from zam zam well?

The Bible also tells you that only through Jesus Christ of Nazareth are the sins of men requited, atoned for and forgiven. As it is written: (Acts 4:12 [KJV]) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

And God gave proof of this by raising him from the dead. . .

Wikipedia: Next to Muhammad's tomb, there is another empty tomb that Muslims believe awaits Jesus.

^Where is the body of Jesus? Muhammad's lies "moldering" in the grave. But we see Jesus exalted and alive.

(Rev 1:13-18 [KJV])
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

How are the verses being concealed when they're there for everyone to read.

@aletheia: « #21 on: Today at 11:06:21 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: LagosShia on Today at 07:20:28 PM
they were not only sinners.they were immoral of the highest magnitude.and your god approved of them and called them "righteous" and "annoited" and "beloved".
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Indeed! And that is something you Muslims do not understand unless the Holy Spirit reveals it to you. As it is written: (Ps 32:1-2 [KJV]) Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. [/b]Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in [b]whose spirit there is no guile.[/Quote]So at long last human [he] has a spirit, and spirit is not only holy spirit? You are a class act all by yourself. You will notice that there was the holy spirit; a thing you have failed to provide a proper name for. then there is the man [he] whose sin is covered and not that he is sinless, who transgression is forgiven, not that he is transgression-less. Is this man Jesus or someone? Maybe you now know that Jesus was no more than apostle, has Allah eloquently said? if the he is Jesus there was your answer that only God can forgive. if another man, God has elevated one or more to the position of being sinless.



[Quote]The Bible tells it as it is: warts and all that you may see that all men without exception (including the true and false prophets) are sinners. Even your Mohammed had an intimation of that for in your Islamic tales we find that he needed his heart washed by water from a well. Why did Mohammed ibn Abdullah need to have his heart washed by water from zam zam well?[/Quote]Needed? A little boy in field needed his heart to be washed, when Jesus said to be in Paradise your heart have to be pure like that of a child? Need his heart washed you said, oh man with heart harder than hard? Your lie for Jesus and Paul is shameful. You are more arrogant than Tyrannical Pharaoh. And those who have worn the garment of arrogance, eg Ariel Sharon are now example for us to see.



[Quote]The Bible also tells you that only through Jesus Christ of Nazareth are the sins of men requited, atoned for and forgiven. As it is written: (Acts 4:12 [KJV]) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved[/Quote]The bible lied to you. I will not blame you with all the many writers , the broth came out spoiled. There were men before Jesus. Many of the men died and some were elects of God. Jesus played zero influence in their lives and their closeness to God, after all He elected them. He will not need Jesus to wipe off their sins and make them people bound for His Paradise.



[Quote]And God gave proof of this by raising him from the dead. . .[/Quote]Finally, Jesus didn't raise himself up. Some day you will admit Jesus was created. We see after your alleged "raising up", Jesus didn't walked in the open, but in the shadows. Why is that after he has been raised up? You only die once, no? Or Jesus was concerning more than his own share of the single death? You are a joke. I can really rain it on you.



[Quote]Quote from: Wikipedia
Next to Muhammad's tomb, there is another empty tomb that Muslims believe awaits Jesus.
^Where is the body of Jesus? Muhammad's lies "moldering" in the grave. But we see Jesus exalted and alive.[/Quote]You dont see Jesus exalted and alive. You read the story in your Bible, written by non eyewitness newsmen. I am wondering who will say there is a grave [dug up pit to put a body of the dead. this is different from tomb; possibly a cave, etc in addition to grave] in Madina waiting for Isa ibn Maryam [as]? thats a lie. A body that is not moldering today will molder tomorrow. Soon, Isa bin Maryam [as] will return to die. After all are dead, Allah will recreate all anew for Judgment. It is then, right from your point of death that Jesus was not a christian, but a muslim prophet like all earlier prophets, and he was sent to the children of israil to return to prostration and then bowing, which finally became bowing and then prostration.




[Quote]Quote
(Rev 1:13-18 [KJV])
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword:[/Quote]this is a sickness described. May God Almighty Who sent Jesus son of Mary who your lying master Paul the killer from the start had made into a monster so that in your delusion is worshiping it help you from the abject poor condition your mind captured in. Amin. i want you a free man aletheia, away from this very certain madness.



[Quote] and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.[/Quote]what a mind. no wonder Jehovah is supposed to have 7 spirits to the world. Maybe these are the 7 holy ghosts the reason you can not pinpoint one with a definite proper name as you will quickly give me the name of the jewish messiah as Jesus. funny aletheia. anyway, i don;t blame you; its summer time and people like you are reckless having unusual energy to burn. your standing for this type of concoction tells me that you will actually fall for anything.

aletheia:

First time? This is laughable. Do you think the Bible is like that false hodge-podge of lies, fables and myths that is called the "quran", that most Muslims barely understand. But of course Islam and Roman Catholicism are the same in that they both seek to hide the truth, so they assume that is what others will do.

The verses are repugnant to you Muslims because of your delusion that your prophet was sinless. These verses in the Bible clearly show that all men including and most especially Mohammed ibn Abdullah are sinners. Only Jesus the Messiah is without sin.
Muslims are afraid when they see these verses (for the Bible describes man as he is) because it reminds them that Mohammed is a sinner and they have put their hope in a sinner. By attacking these verses they seek to assuage their fears.

In any case why do the Islamic fables claim that the "prophet" had his heart washed by water from the well? Why did he need this?

It is very gladdening that my reply almost rupture your heart that was why you went into superNova Mode and began replying question that were never asked in order words trying to derail the thread from its' objectives, in essence you wrote if I understand that prophets where not sinnless in the bible - yuck what a repugnant statement- yet even if we were to accept such myopic and utterly delusional statement ignores a more silent fact that is with all their sins there was no reproach,no punishment, no correction, all just a useless story told to entertain perverts who gorge such filth, no wonder Christian nations remain the highest producers of Porn.

On the remaining points you raised they are not worth ansering since they are not in line with the Thread tittle. I Just as I floored you here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-487580.160.html, despite your deliberate attempt to derail the thread - something christian do since they cannot meet the challenge of Muslim- I will again re-educate you in making Logical coherent polemic.

vedaxcool:

. . .in essence you wrote if I understand that prophets where not sinnless in the bible - yuck what a repugnant statement-

^You only affirm what I wrote earlier.

aletheia:

The verses are repugnant to you Muslims because of your delusion that your prophet was sinless. These verses in the Bible clearly show that all men including and most especially Mohammed ibn Abdullah are sinners. Only Jesus the Messiah is without sin.
Muslims are afraid when they see these verses (for the Bible describes man as he is) because it reminds them that Mohammed is a sinner and they have put their hope in a sinner. By attacking these verses they seek to assuage their fears.

In any case why do the Islamic fables claim that the "prophet" had his heart washed by water from the well? Why did he need this?

^
My last question was rhetoric aimed at getting you Muslims to once again examine the faulty assumptions that underpin all your doctrines.

Sweetnecta:

A little boy in field needed his heart to be washed, when Jesus said to be in Paradise your heart have to be pure like that of a child?

^@Sweetnecta: You hardly make sense and it is tedium filtering what you write for sense. You are like a spambot stringing together words. So Mohammed the false prophet needed his heart washed as a child? Why was that, I wonder? Which means his heart was impure ergo he was sinful. Here is a hint as to the symbolism of washing:

Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

And is it true that Mohammed's stories about being washed was only restricted to his childhood? Does what is clean require washing repeatedly?

Here is the evidence and verdict of history:
[center]I[/center]
Sirat Rassul'llah by Ibn Ishaq-
There is a tradition that when Muhammad was a little child (two to three years old), Halima his foster mother, was informed by Muhammad that ,

"Two men in white raiments came to him with a gold basin full of snow, who opened up his belly, extracted his heart and split it; then they extracted a leech/clot (Alaqa) from it and threw it away; then they washed his heart and belly with that snow until they had thoroughly cleaned them"

Comment: It is beyond belief to assume that a child of that age was alone tending flocks of animals, and who knew about snow in the unforgiving heat of the Arabian desert, as well as about gold or leeches that do not exist in waterless Arabia. What the story actually relates is that the surgery removed Muhammad's SINS at the age of 2/3.

[center]II[/center]
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429
Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief.

Comment: Once more at the age of about 50 years, Muhammad needed another PHYSICAL/ SPIRITUAL and INTELLECTUAL CLEANSING to remove his SINS and UNBELIEF.

[center]III[/center]
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.227
Narrated byAbbas bin Malik
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said,"He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place"

Comment: The traditions that Muhammad needed two or three surgeries to have his body operated upon and filled with belief, is astounding in its implications. Why would the most 'perfect' of men need to have himself 'scourged' from unbelief several times in his lifetime is beyond understanding. On the contrary, this shows that Muhammad was SINFUL and repeatedly failing in BELIEF.
In conclusion, the Hadiths above, completely and utterly DESTROY, DEMOLISH and CONTRADICT, all of Muhammad's followers assertions that he was SINLESS, in their DOGMA of 'ISMA'.

As it is written: If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

"Two men in white raiments came to him with a gold basin full of snow, who opened up his belly, extracted his heart and split it; then they extracted a leech/clot (Alaqa) from it and threw it away; then they washed his heart and belly with that snow until they had thoroughly cleaned them"

Comment: It is beyond belief to assume that a child of that age was alone tending flocks of animals, and who knew about snow in the unforgiving heat of the Arabian desert, as well as about gold or leeches that do not exist in waterless Arabia. What the story actually relates is that the surgery removed Muhammad's SINS at the age of 2/3.

@Aletheia; [Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on Yesterday at 11:56:02 PM
A little boy in field needed his heart to be washed, when Jesus said to be in Paradise your heart have to be pure like that of a child?
^@Sweetnecta: You hardly make sense and it is tedium filtering what you write for sense. You are like a spambot stringing together words. So Mohammed the false prophet[/Quote]a false prophet will say something unfulfilled. please tell me one thing Muhammad said and it was fulfilled in its time? Jesus on the other hand said he will return before the last of the 12 disciples died. Tic. Tac. Its about 2000 years already and Peter the rock has been dead for close to that 200 years. now who is the false prophet?



[Quote] needed his heart washed as a child? Why was that, I wonder?[/Quote]All children are blessed, except that they are not in christianity, categorizing many as witches. Young Muhammad [as] was blessed because Allah took care of him, Personally, and sent Angels to open his chest in the presence of his foster mother's, was the same age as he. Washing his heart and stuffing it with pure iman. Interesting thing is that theyoung man got up and felt no pain or discomfort. this was a prophet of prophets from his youth, even before his birth. You need to read his Sirah. This is different from little boy circumcision. i think Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day, no?



[Quote] Which means his heart was impure ergo he was sinful. Here is a hint as to the symbolism of washing:[/Quote]And the bible says everyone born of a woman is a sinner. who was Jesus mother but Lady Mary? i know my statement flies over your head because there are 3 gods trampling on you.



[Quote]Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all[/Quote]and then Peter was possessed by Satan so much so that Jesus had to call him satan. what is interesting is the bible always start from the most absurd point, like 'he answered, or something similar, without starting from question asked'.



[Quote]And is it true that Mohammed's stories about being washed was only restricted to his childhood? Does what is clean require washing repeatedly?[/Quote]I am clean, but I wash regularly. You dont wash regularly?



[Quote]Here is the evidence and verdict of history:
ISirat Rassul'llah by Ibn Ishaq-  
There is a tradition that when Muhammad was a little child (two to three  years old), Halima his foster mother, was informed by Muhammad that ,

"Two men in white raiments came to him with a gold basin full of snow, who opened up his belly, extracted his heart and split it; then they extracted a leech/clot (Alaqa) from it and threw it away; then they washed his heart and belly with that snow until they had thoroughly cleaned them"

Comment: It is beyond belief to assume that a child of that age was alone tending flocks of animals, and who knew about snow in the unforgiving heat of the Arabian desert, as well as about gold or leeches that do not exist in waterless Arabia. What the story actually relates is that the surgery removed Muhammad's SINS at the age of 2/3.[/Quote]to the second bold, if you have used your mind, you would have known that this was a miraculous event. newly created Adam was able to name things that angles could not because made it so.



[Quote]Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429      
Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief.

Comment: Once more at the age of about 50 years, Muhammad needed another PHYSICAL/ SPIRITUAL  and INTELLECTUAL CLEANSING to remove his SINS and UNBELIEF.[/Quote]And then he was transported from Makka to Jerusalem to lead even Gabriel, and Jesus your small god [son is always small compared to father], Abraham, Moses, etc, including Adam [as [all of them about 240,000] in prayers known as salatul Al al ibrahima. This is symbolic because he has taken the mantle from all of them and the children of israel have been stripped naked and lost their honor. Allah didn't stop there. Muhammad [as] was invited to heaven where te last 4 verses of Surah baqarah was given along with the command and instruction of Salah. This is the night of Isra wa Miraj. While you are still waiting for Jesus to return to pick you up in rapture, those who waited before you for the same event are dead and you will wait in vain, just like them.

Muhammad [as] in a single night had done what Jesus did that you made him a god for; ascending to heavens. Muhammad [as] then top this by returning to earth. If this is not the greatest even in human history; going to and returning from heaven by God's Permission.



[Quote]Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.227      
Narrated byAbbas bin Malik
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said,"He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place"

Comment: The traditions that Muhammad needed two or three surgeries to have his body operated upon and filled with belief, is astounding in its implications. Why would the most 'perfect' of men need to have himself 'scourged' from unbelief several times in his lifetime is beyond understanding. On the contrary, this shows that Muhammad was SINFUL and repeatedly failing in BELIEF.[/Quote]Perfect man has room to improve; the prophets need their leader to be better than them. I was like an angel, the reason Jibril called him brother. Allah is the One Who determined the level that Muhammad [as] must be. What Allah overlooked for others, Muhammad might have been called on; like the Surah Abasa incident. and finally washing him is level of purity. The lesson in it is partially of humility to Allah instead of your self pride thinking immersing yourself in some blood will save you. the one with blood could not save himself and imagine him saving somebody else.

In Surah Azhab, Allah says of Muhammad [as] that he is blessed by His 'taslim', and the Angel's taslim on Muhammad [as] is a prayer, while those of believers on Muhammad [as] are blessing and mercy on the believers.

The purity of the heart of Muhammad [as] made him strong even when death approached him. unlike the other guy who blamed God for forsaken him.



[Quote]In conclusion, the Hadiths above, completely and utterly DESTROY, DEMOLISH and CONTRADICT, all of Muhammad's followers assertions that he was SINLESS, in their DOGMA of 'ISMA'[/Quote]If I am sinless of riba, it means i have been forgiven of any sin of riba before and i am returning to it, today. And i hope you remember that you have read that the sins of Muhammad [as] of the future was already forgiven, if he were to commit it when he gets to the future. Yet when the future arrived, he didn't commit any sin. from the pages of the bibles we see Jesus committing sins left right and center. it is Muhammad [as] who came to clear him of your accusations; being the another comforter and the that prophet.



[Quote]As it is written:  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.[/Quote]i still you provide the name of your ghost god. i know you will dance away from it, acting as you are a masquerade from your village. finally, hadith is similar to your bibles; there is truth, there is maybe and then there is liar.

@Sweetnecta

a false prophet will say something unfulfilled.

What did Muhammad say that was fulfilled 

Jesus on the other hand said he will return before the last of the 12 disciples died. Tic. Tac. Its about 2000 years already and Peter the rock has been dead for close to that 200 years. now who is the false prophet?

"2 Peter 3

God’s Promise Is Not Slack

Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us,[a] the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

All children are blessed, except that they are not in christianity, categorizing many as witches.

But in ISLAM they are sex.ually abused 

Young Muhammad [as] was blessed because Allah took care of him,

ok

Personally, and sent Angels to open his chest in the presence of his foster mother's, was the same age as he. Washing his heart and stuffing it with pure iman. Interesting thing is that theyoung man got up and felt no pain or discomfort. this was a prophet of prophets from his youth, even before his birth. You need to read his Sirah. This is different from little boy circumcision.

What utter gibberish !!   

Even a toddler will find this laughable

i think Jesus was circumcised on the 8th day, no?

And 

And the bible says everyone born of a woman is a sinner. who was Jesus mother but Lady Mary? i know my statement flies over your head because there are 3 gods trampling on you.

Every person born of a woman with seed planted by a man, Jesus was born with the power of the Holy Spirit.

Muhammad was born by a man seed, so he was a sinner, thanks for confirming this, lol. 

and then Peter was possessed by Satan so much so that Jesus had to call him satan.

Nope, Satan was behind the statement and Jesus rebuked Satan

what is interesting is the bible always start from the most absurd point, like 'he answered, or something similar, without starting from question asked'.

Please make some sense

I am clean, but I wash regularly. You dont wash regularly?

You can be as clean as the Pharisees were outwardly but be filthy in your heart.

What matters to Yahweh is a CLEAN HEART !!!

What matters to ALLAH is a CLEAN EARTHLY BODY !!

to the second bold, if you have used your mind, you would have known that this was a miraculous event. newly created Adam was able to name things that angles could not because made it so.

Please make sense

And then he was transported from Makka to Jerusalem to lead even Gabriel,

More fairy tales and imaginations from Muhammad.

and Jesus your small god [son is always small compared to father],

not a pagan moon god though , right ?

Allah didn't stop there. Muhammad [as] was invited to heaven where te last 4 verses of Surah baqarah was given along with the command and instruction of Salah. This is the night of Isra wa Miraj

Heaven has nothing to with Muhammad and Muhammad had nothing to do with Heaven.

I think you might know where Muhammad is.

While you are still waiting for Jesus to return to pick you up in rapture, those who waited before you for the same event are dead and you will wait in vain, just like them

expected from an unbeliever as quoted in the previous comment.

Muhammad [as] in a single night had done what Jesus did that you made him a god for; ascending to heavens. Muhammad [as] then top this by returning to earth. If this is not the greatest even in human history; going to and returning from heaven by God's Permission.

in your wildest dreams , lol.

Perfect man has room to improve; the prophets need their leader to be better than them. I was like an angel, the reason Jibril called him brother. Allah is the One Who determined the level that Muhammad [as] must be. What Allah overlooked for others, Muhammad might have been called on; like the Surah Abasa incident. and finally washing him is level of purity. The lesson in it is partially of humility to Allah instead of your self pride thinking immersing yourself in some blood will save you. the one with blood could not save himself and imagine him saving somebody else.

Expatiate

The purity of the heart of Muhammad [as] made him strong even when death approached him. unlike the other guy who blamed God for forsaken him

Muhammad had a pure heart 

^^^

aletheia:


^You only affirm what I wrote earlier.^

Quoting people half way and then claim that they Affirm what you wrote is low even for a follower of Paul don't you think?

aletheia:

My last question was rhetoric aimed at getting you Muslims to once again examine the faulty assumptions that underpin all your doctrines.^@Sweetnecta: You hardly make sense and it is tedium filtering what you write for sense. You are like a spambot stringing together words. So Mohammed the false prophet needed his heart washed as a child? Why was that, I wonder? Which means his heart was impure ergo he was sinful. Here is a hint as to the symbolism of washing:

Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

And is it true that Mohammed's stories about being washed was only restricted to his childhood? Does what is clean require washing repeatedly?

Here is the evidence and verdict of history:
[center]I[/center]
Sirat Rassul'llah by Ibn Ishaq-    
There is a tradition that when Muhammad was a little child (two to three  years old), Halima his foster mother, was informed by Muhammad that ,

"Two men in white raiments came to him with a gold basin full of snow, who opened up his belly, extracted his heart and split it; then they extracted a leech/clot (Alaqa) from it and threw it away; then they washed his heart and belly with that snow until they had thoroughly cleaned them"

Comment: It is beyond belief to assume that a child of that age was alone tending flocks of animals, and who knew about snow in the unforgiving heat of the Arabian desert, as well as about gold or leeches that do not exist in waterless Arabia. What the story actually relates is that the surgery removed Muhammad's SINS at the age of 2/3.

[center]II[/center]
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.429        
Narrated by Malik bin Sasaa
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men. A golden tray full of wisdom and belief was brought to me and my body was cut open from the throat to the lower part of the abdomen and then my abdomen was washed with Zam-zam water and (my heart was) filled with wisdom and belief.

Comment: Once more at the age of about 50 years, Muhammad needed another PHYSICAL/ SPIRITUAL  and INTELLECTUAL CLEANSING to remove his SINS and UNBELIEF.

[center]III[/center]
Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.227        
Narrated byAbbas bin Malik
Malik bin Sasaa said that Allah's Apostle described to them his Night Journey saying, "While I was lying in Al-Hatim or Al-Hijr, suddenly someone came to me and cut my body open from here to here." I asked Al-Jarud who was by my side, "What does he mean?" He said, "It means from his throat to his pubic area," or said, "From the top of the chest." The Prophet further said,"He then took out my heart. Then a gold tray of Belief was brought to me and my heart was washed and was filled (with Belief) and then returned to its original place"

Comment: The traditions that Muhammad needed two or three surgeries to have his body operated upon and filled with belief, is astounding in its implications. Why would the most 'perfect' of men need to have himself 'scourged' from unbelief  several times in his lifetime is beyond understanding. On the contrary, this shows that Muhammad was SINFUL and repeatedly failing in BELIEF.
In conclusion, the Hadiths above, completely and utterly DESTROY, DEMOLISH and CONTRADICT, all of Muhammad's followers assertions that he was SINLESS, in their DOGMA of 'ISMA'.

As it is written:  If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Your desperate attempt in derailing the thread in order to save face is very fascinating, i do not see why sweetnecta would decide to reply such arcrobats, but i won't even waste time replying issues that does not directly deal with the questions raised, it is very apparent that shame has not let you reply what is being talked about. This shameful lewd verses keep exposing why the bible is suppose to X - rated, Christian Nation have the Highest number of Incest, father with daughter, Son with mother etc. And it is said Your eat Junky stuff you become a Junky your READ JUNKY STUFF YOUR MIND BECOME JUNKY!

^^^^^






You can avoid me, but I will keep commenting.


What classifies as a western christian nation when 90% do not believe in a GOD , talk less of Christianity. Obviously you will spout your Islamic lies again, just to make a point.

However it is a known fact that in 100% of Islamic countries 99% are active followers either willingly or unwillingly of ISLAM.

Now , the question, why is it that in 'godly' societies like your Islamic ones, irrespective of Sharia there is child sexual abuse, rape and worst of all child marriage.

Please explain also the high incidence of homosexuality in your so call brothel Holy Saudi Arabia. If you lie, I will open a new article with facts !!!

vedaxcool:

^^^Quoting people half way and then claim that they Affirm what you wrote is low even for a follower of Paul don't you think?

[size=18pt]Your desperate attempt in derailing the thread in order to save face is very fascinating, i do not see why sweetnecta would decide to reply such arcrobats, but i won't even waste time replying issues that does not directly deal with the questions raised, it is very apparent that shame has not let you reply what is being talked about. This shameful lewd verses keep exposing why the bible is suppose to X - rated, Christian Nation have the Highest number of Inbreeding, father with daughter, Son with mother etc. And it is said Your eat Junky stuff you become a Junky your READ JUNKY STUFF YOUR MIND BECOME JUNKY![/size]