LagosShia:

could it be also that those who are neither christian nor muslim target christianity on nairaland more[b] because of the infamous MOG in nigeria and the way christians preach and agressively claim to be possessed with holy ghost[/b]? may be they are outraged? if muslims refute christianity and there is muslim-christian argument and debate,we can understand that the two are both missionary religions and they have opposite beliefs.but why others would hate christianity is beyond me.they must have their reasons.they should share with us.the pagans,atheists,e.t.c. should please come forward.

bhusayor:

Are you one of the so called TRUE christians??if yes, why do you care??


Oh,my bad, this is frosbel, the man that speaks with both sides of his mouth, *long hiss*

Mr, I won't be surprised if your blood pressure is high at the moment, your hatred for ISLAM will lead you nowhere,

frosbel:

I will rather have someone preaching a false gospel which I can assess and reject , expose and warn other Christians, than have a knife to my neck in the name of religion.

Hutchie:

frosbel,

It is not just on Nairaland it is the world over as you well know. In the UK for example as I am sure you know there is an attack on Christianity and Christian freedoms almost daily led by the media.

But this just further confirms that Christianity is the truth, Why? Jesus said the following:

John 15:19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

John 17:14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.

frosbel:

My sister , how now.

I am actually as relaxed as ice water now    , working from home with a hot cup of tea to match.  

Btw , I love all Muslims and that includes you.

I hate radical ISLAM.

LagosShia:

i am a born and bred muslim from a muslim family.i was once sunni and now Shia.i can testify that since i was born i have never raised a needle (talkless of knife) against anyone and no one has against me.so you can see why people dont take you seriously and you feel victimized by others.

East:

Only something good can be attacked.

The other religions are not criticize because in them the deal of the devil is done already.[/b]

[b]You know the devil is fighting to populate the kingdom of darkness.

@frosbel. So funny you are asking this question but you are part of the problem.

The way and manner you join others to insult every known pastor is shameful to say the least of a xtian. [b]I am not here to defend any man of God but if a pastor like oyedepo who has ministries in ova 100nations of the world with millions of ur fellow xtians as members is being labelled a fraud by you and your fellow nairalanders then you don't have any respect for your fellow xtians that attend his church( and they are in thousands) and I don't think you deserve any respect too from non xtians. [/b]Don't tell me you are trying to expose their fraudulent activities cos you will appear more arrogant than expected.

Imagine yourself saying there is nothing like Spirit of Insanity!

Why must you always criticise?

What will you call the spirit that jesus sent away from that man into pigs in ur bible?

You can criticise what a man of God does, writing them off as a MOG cos of what they do makes you no different from unbelievers. Is peter a fraud? But he denied jesus three times while jesus was still alive? Is david a fraud? But he was richer than oyedepo in his days and slept with anoda mans wife and God stii made the child of that union king in place of other more legitimate children. Are u yourself a fraudulent xtian? But I know you are not perfect, possibly a liar, a cheat, wife beater regardless of what you pretend to be on

frosbel:

^^^^


I am glad you got this off your chest, must have been a heavy load to carry

Phew !!

frosbel:

I have noticed a trend on Nairaland.

You dare criticize or expose concerns about certain religions and you are almost hounded out of the forum. You are called a bigot, dogmatic fool , fanatic and other unmentionable names.

But Christianity seems to bear the brunt of mockery 24x7 and no one seems to bat an eyelid or even still give a hoot about this trend.

Not that TRUE Christians care , the truth will always remain the truth irrespective, but why do we have such a hatred for Christianity and an acceptance of false religion , one of which is extremely violent, no names mentioned.

For example MOG ( many of whom I do not agree with ) are abused , castigated, ridiculed , caricatured, undermined and even cursed on a constant, relentless and malicious basis.

If this trend was reversed, say for ISLAM, we would have had a war on our hands.

Can someone help me out here.

What have Christians done to deserve so much hate  , we are not the ones killing thousands including gays, perverts and innocents, we are not the ones issuing death threats, we are not the ones forcing others to convert with a knife to the neck.

This is looking to me anyway, like a last day phenomenon of cataclysmic spiritual proportions.

LagosShia:

frosbel,

you of all people say that there is a difference between arguing ideas and religion and hating the adherents.i dont think christians are bad people or should be hated.i love my christian friends.i have nothing against.i dont see the falsehood of christianity that they are made to believe or they believe in as their fault.also,if they have faults i dont see the fault as that of christianity even though christinaity has its faults.

the problem with you is that you claim to love muslims.but when these same people you claim to love commit bad actions which are even rejected by other muslims and contrary to what islam teaches,you hold islam responsible and not the individuals.you know well what you are doing.you are bias and using the ill of the followers to tarnish the reputation of anothe religion which you see as threat to christianity because of its popularity.

moreover,your actions on nairaland dont speak well if we are to hold christians responsible for them or even christianity.

i want you to know that discussing ideas is not an attack against people.and the actions of people are not necessarily the teaching of their religion.muslims could be very bad people,but that does not make islam wrong.i want you to love islam and hate muslims.in that way,we can think and discuss ideas and know what is good and criticize people for their actions.otherwise,saying you love muslims and hate islam is simply encouraging bad actions just to get your way of criticizing another religion.

frosbel:



I expose the doctrines they teach which are dangerous to the soul of Man and especially young Christians.

BTW , God does not measure success by Quantity but Quality.

What is the purpose of having millions of lukewarm members , God will rather settle for a lesser amount of dedicated , loyal and holy Christians.

frosbel:

Which is why I make a distinction between radical Muslims and Muslims. Appears you do not fall under the category of the former from your recent statements, even though you have often used most Incendiary language in the past.

However if you see where I am coming from, having escaped death twice in Kano , you will understand.

Where I lived in Kano as a corper, some Hausa men caught a Christian preaching the gospel , invited him into their house under the pretext of interest, and used a razor blade to systematically cut him all over his body and warn him.

Even on my way to church , I could see the hate on their faces and daggers in my back when I walked passed.

Obviously this does not apply to all Muslims, since I also had Hausa Muslim colleagues and friends.

Question is why do the ones that commit these violent acts do them in the first place, I guess we all know the answer !!

goggs:

I could have sworn LagosShia could ever write a rational and thought provoking post like this! Ever since I came across your posts I wonder sometimes how you will look like. moreso when you made your infamous I hate -----like $hit post! it was because of you I am constantly on the religion thread as against my passion which is really benign.

I agree with you on several points. one thing is clear - there are bad Christians as well as Muslims who do terrible things in the name of religion. Unfortunately recent events have made people directed their frustrations on Islam and perceived scriptural support for what is going on. I also believe that a lot of Muslims are fighting the criticism by equally attacking what they perceive as what is equally wrong with Christianity. This is not helped by the ongoing friction between the two religions at even the best of times.

Truth is I love my Muslim friends even if I don't agree/believe with a word of the Quran so also them. To resolve this war of words is simple in concept but difficult to implement. I do think the first way to go about it is to show respect to the religions for the sake of the adherents we claim to like ( can we truly say we like them and disrespect their religion) and to seek to learn more like tbaba 1234's thread. Of course I am certain that no one will convince me of embracing Islam based on what I know but I am sure I will appreciate it more.

for Muslims, I really think bad Muslims are tarnishing your image and you guys are NOT doing enough to isolate them. a lot of atrocities are being committed in the name of God which you guys ought to issue fatwas, disclaimers and so on. The silence is taken as tactile approval. its also important that you guys perish the thought that anything American or western is Christian. Its just not right. things over there are done for practical/political reason of survival of the state and furtherance of its interest and not in Jesus' Name.

LagosShia:

i dont blame those mallams.and i dont pity your friend.i wonder why the "holy spirit" did not tell him not to preach there because he was risking his life.may be the "holy spirit" of christians misled him?

LagosShia:

can you imagine if all the threads exposing christianity i have started i preach them in a christian village what could have happened to me?especially if the village have uneducated and unexposed people!!!

LagosShia:

how can someone that would be talking grammar try to preach to illitrates where they are predominant and expect no reaction?dont you think they would feel being taken advantage of?

LagosShia:

i am a Shia Muslim and i still choose the people i talk with about SHIA-ISLAM.you dont just go anywhere and to anyone and start preaching.

LagosShia:

in fact as for myself,when christians come to preach to me,i welcome them with love and care.i even thank them for coming.at the end they would be the ones begging to leave!!!

davidylan:

this is why i dont believe the lie that there are "bad" and "good" muslims. It is a canard that is pushed mostly by muslims who live in the west and are constrained by laws that respect human rights as against the lawless bigotry that exists in muslim nations. For starters it seems to me here that you CONDONED the near killing of a christian here for daring to "preach the gospel". Infact you seem to blame him for walking to his own death. Does that suggest to me that it is OK with you for muslims to kill christians who try to spread the gospel? How demonic.

You can cry all you want about how you have never raised a needle against anyone, but it seems to me that you would have done NOTHING to help this innocent christian man if you had the chance.

Nothing would happen to you hypocrite . . . the funny thing is YOU KNOW IT. No christians, no matter how uneducated would lift a finger to harm you even if you built a mosque right in the village square.

Are you serious? So the problem with the preacher was that he spoke a foreign language? so every market trader who speaks igbo in hausa markets is invited into houses to be cut by razors? Are you really trying to be this dishonest?

But you know that muslims have no such problems going anywhere and putting up their mosque and prayer mats. To insinuate that all religions are somehow guilty of trying to kill those who evangelise from other religions is blatantly false, a red herring and an attempt to justify islam's zeal for bloodletting.

Thank God for you. What would you do however, if muslims try to kill a christian in your presence? I just finished watching a boko haram video where a man's head was cut off while reading and praying from the quran . . . i will be lucky if i can get any dinner down after watching that gruesome video. Such a satanic religion.

LagosShia:

@Davidylan

first,i didnt know you are also the same person with "goggs".i think i was replying to "goggs".

LagosShia:

next,when you see a group of armed-robbers,you pass beside them with a bundle of dollars in transparent bag,and then tell the world that you have the right to freedom of movement.someone knows a group of men are illitrates and backward and very sensitive to religious matters and he went with his holy ghost possession to preach to them.didn't i tell you that even i as a muslim choose those i engage on sunni-shia differences?so was i also condoning the persecution against us shia?that is what you could also have accused me of doing

LagosShia:

you want to compare a a poor igbo woman trading in a market in the north and a christian with an evil bible going to preach to illitrates who are muslims?that is fire and fuel coming close!!! 

frosbel:


But Christianity seems to bear the brunt of mockery 24x7 and no one seems to bat an eyelid or even still give a hoot about this trend.

What have Christians done to deserve so much hate 

davidylan:


Dont be stup[i]i[/i]d, illiterate sango worshippers or hindus have never threatened to kill christians for preaching the gospel. Illiterate and backward, Unclad southern africans have not removed the heads of the christian missionaries who have been living among them for decades.

Please when will you stop with this dishonesty? The problem in that case was NOTHING to do with the backwardness of the hause but the virulent death cult called islam.

At least you do recognise that the bible is a fire that burns and the demonic hordes of islam would literarily kill to put it out or prevent others from reading it.