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Burob:
Person invaded another country, kidnapped their president, seized their oil fields, na that same country they call another government tyrant?

Black man no just get sense @ all.

Funny people. Wetin concern me with dis one wey you type so. Why would any government on earth accuse her own citizen of “Waging war against God” hence must be executed publicly just for protesting? Anybody suppose tell you Wetin e mean to be tyrant again?

“For waging war against God” is Ayatollah god or what. Tyrant regime indeed

benardtotti:
His domain doesn't extend to ibadan and infact is smaller than the Olubadans domain in size .

Ibadan created an empire outside of oyo in the 18th century.

We know bro. We are talking about the Yoruba identity and the Yoruba kingdom which metamorphose to today’s Yorubaland. It’s not about his domains and where he rules

aribisala0:
I do not need to search for what does not exist

LOL.

aribisala0:
You are making claims

My advice to you
Pause
Reset
Admit you do not know
Then and only then
Can you know
If you proceed from a position of arrogance you will never learn anything

Two questions
Name who signed treaty for Oyo

What year was this signed

Bro search for the Yoruba unity treaty of 1886 and then the one signed by Alaafin Adeyemi on behalf of Yorubaland with the Great Britain in 1888.

Kingluqman:
How many people dey go cinema sef? How much dem dey take watch movie for cinema?



I no sure if this money dey real or Na just normal hyping.

Make she prepare to pay on that money anyway 😂😂

It was released during the festive period. You don’t want to know how busy the cinemas gets during that period

mikeapollo:
Just ask yourself who is the progenitor of the Yoruba race and where was his kingdom and throne. Oyo can never be higher or greater than Ife in terms of historical, cultural and spiritual relevance in Yoruba land.

You are saying a different thing entirely bro. Ife will continue to be the source. What are discussing is the Yoruba identity

aribisala0:
Asese ran onde majesin bi ogun bi ogun ni maa se won
When you know a little you think you know more than people who have been on the subject before you were born
Nobody owns anything
Yoruba is not an identity that can be owned
That is where you get it wrong
It is like saying who owns the terms Nigerian African or amala or moin moin

You think you know but do not

Yoruba was a term that was always used by an external group to refer to another

No group went anywhere and identified themselves as Yoruba before Nigeria was created

The half information you have about Oyo and Yoruba makes you think you are enlightened and know everything

Yes outsiders at some point called Oyo Yoruba but they never called themselves so
They are Oyo that us their identity Oyo not Yoruba

Also that term Yorubaland

All I will tell you is LAND is not our language
Cross over to Benin they call themselves Nago or Anago

You haven’t even been following the thread. Oyo is known as the Yoruba people and Yoruba kingdom not even before Nigeria. When they signed their treaty with the Brits, they used the name Yoruba and their kingdom called Yoruba kingdom. It was after this that the rest of Yoruba speaking people everywhere were persuaded to accept the Yoruba identity for uniformity sake. I think there’s even a signed treaty to that effect. Oyo were the original Yoruba people and their kingdom referred to as Yoruba kingdom.

Goodvibes007:
You keep mixing up Yoruba kingdom below with the present day Yorubaland.

This is exactly one of the major reason why the Alaafin is being disrespected by others. He can't seem to tell the difference just like you.

Is there still a Yoruba kingdom today? I Can you see no Kings across Yorubaland today no matter how powerful can give the title of “Yorubaland” to anyone even till date? Not even Ooni. Maybe you are not getting it. Alaafin is not getting it wrong, he’s only reminding everyone that the name Yoruba belongs exclusively to his domain even though the rest of us choose it as our identity. For example the Awujale, can make anyone “okanlomo of Ijebuland”, The Olubadan can make anyone the okanlomo of Ibadanland. Ooni has the right to Ooduland but only the Alaafin can exclusively make anyone “the okanlomo of Yorubaland” and not Oyo because that was the right name of his kingdom which the rest of us picked up while seeking uniformity. So if you are going to use the name today, The Alaafin holds the right to remind you, that name belongs to him. Are you getting it now? Likes of Iseyin, Tede, Sabe and likes are they not independent towns today? But didn’t they also decided to opt for the name Yoruba and call their land Yorubaland too during the period when we were all seeking uniformity?

Kukutente23:
You're right about Oyo being the prime kingdom in Yorubaland but you need to know that when Ibadan was formed, Oyo had become a very weak empire that even relied on Ibadan for protection and legitimacy.
Oyo was the foremost political empire but Ibadan was never a conquered or vassal state to it.
That's why Ibadan has a song that says they've never been conquered

I know bro.

LeeSmart:
Owkay thanks brother.... but one more thing, i have heard of the oyo empire and it conquest mission in Nigeria and how powerful it was (is) but i have not for once heard of the ibadan empire (pls correct me if i am wrong), so if you ask me the alaafin should be more powerful than the olubadan.

The empire is no more. And when Ibadan was formed, the Oyo empire was long gone and during those period Ibadan was actually more powerful than Oyo so Ibadan was never a subject to Oyo at any point in time. So there’s no way to say Alaafin should be powerful than Olubadan but for the sake of the lost empire, people still revere the seat of the Alaafin but his authority ends at Oyo ile which is even quite smaller than Ibadan today.

Kukutente23:
Oyo owns Yorubaland no reach Ibadan o
Ibadan was never subservient

LOL. The treaty was even signed in Ibadan I guess. As long as you talk about Yoruba identity and Yorubaland, you are literally talking about Oyo bro. That’s why the Alaafin was telling Ooni last time that Ooni has no right to give any title with Yorubaland to anyone and he’s right bro.

Goodvibes007:
We all never used the Yoruba name. The yoruba name was recent. Prior to everyone using Yoruba, we were called by our tribes e.g. Ijebu. Ife, Ijebu, Awori, e.t.c

- Ife, Ijebu, Ondo, Ekiti were never part of the Oyo empire.

The Ga in Ghana would even tell you that they left Ife before the formation of Oyo. Oyo is recent in Yoruba kingdoms.
Ife ana in Togo and Ife kekere (Usen) in Edo state would all tell you they left from Ife.

The Aworis in Lagos would also always remind you that their progenitor, Olofin Ogunfunminire, was an Ife Prince.

I know all of these bro. Ife remains the source of every oodua descendants of course.

We were talking about Yoruba and Yorubaland. And yea, the Yoruba name happens to be recent and every one accepted the name because we needed a uniform identity but prior that only the Oyo people were referred to as Yoruba. That’s what I was saying. They own the name.

LeeSmart:
I thought in hierarchy the alaafin is more powerful compared to the olubadan? Pls someone who's vast in yoruba history should come educate me.

No one is more powerful. All empire is long gone. We just revere some because of history. The only king in Yorubaland that is still much powerful and respected by all is “Ooni of Ife” and that’s because he sits on the throne of the source.

aribisala0:
Is your head alright

You and who know that?
We're Ijebu ever part of your empire?
Educate yourself and stop saying " stupid" things

If your own head is ever alright, you’d rather pick a book and read rather than saying “stupid” things here. You just called yourself an Ijebu now, do you ever wonder why you also call yourself “Yoruba” too and who actually owns the identity.

Osiris12:
1. He is not the choice of the kingmakers
2. He is not really loved by his people
3. He Dey mess up real bad by fighting the ooni
4. I’m not sure he has something upstairs

Well I think it was corruption and religion alignment that made him not to be the choice of the kingmakers though and I think it’s one of the reason why his people don’t like him too. And nope he’s a gentleman, well educated and living a good life in Canada before his coronation. Oba Lamidi too didn’t really have good relationship with Oba Sijuade but las las. He will be fine. He will realize his empire is gone soon and that no Yoruba town or city is still loyal to his Oyo ile anymore. Him go Dey alright.

keemsleek:
Can I ask a question? The why do the yorubas still hold Ife has thier beginning? Cos we know the ancient Ife is not this one again? I believe the old benin kingdom is not the present one cos many things have been lost but u still can't disrespect the great oba of benin or olu of warrinor I am sure the obi of onitsha despite knowing many things have changed but history can't be changed.

Ife is the source of every descendants of Oduduwa. So it’s only common sense to revere your source. There was nothing lost about Ife. Ife was never an empire that lost his power or something. Oyo was an empire. Ife is like what someone would refer to as “Family house”

Goodvibes007:
In that treaty, do you know that Ife and other kingdoms also signed separately.

I have attached the towns he signed for in my earlier comment.

Ife's signature below.

And before we bring all the supremacy battle stuff.

Did you notice only the Oyo treaty has the Yoruba name? That’s why the Oyos owned the name exclusively. You can see that Ife didn’t use the name. It was later that every Yoruba chose to accept the Yoruba identity for uniformity. So whenever anyone talks about Yoruba and Yorubaland, one is literally referring to old Oyo land (which doesn’t covered the whole lands of the descendants of Odua of course). I think that’s where the pride of the new Alaafin is coming from but he failed to realize its a new order in town. No descendants of Oodua still owes their loyalty to Oyo. I’m pretty sure he will realize soon that he’s just the Alaafin of Oyo ile and has no subject anywhere anymore.

Osiris12:
I strongly believe the man is gonna be dethroned immediately Makinde leaves office

Why would he be dethroned? He’s done nothing wrong

Goodvibes007:
Oyo does not own Yorubaland.

The Yorubaland in question is not the present Yorubaland.

They do. They sign the treaty on behalf of us all and they also own the Yoruba identity. Wether it’s the present or not. Little can be done about that now.

We know Oyo owns Yorubaland and the Yoruba identity but Alaafin should calm down abeg. The empire is long gone.

Fake news

DatNiggaDaz:


@okexchange, even using moniker name of our neigbours from the East. Na so e pain you reach

Dey phool yaself
Wetin SW dey yarn against Northerners. Your kith and kin wants you to attack the Northerners.

Attack now

Seek help bro. I nor sure say e get anyone wey Dey understand all dis one wey you Dey yarn.

Bro is so unfortunate with all these injuries here and there. Wish him well

lordm:
Wait o. You should know there would always be people like that.
Same way some Easterners are praying for the downfall of Nigeria. Have you cautioned them?

Just ignore such people and move on.

BUA has done well.

True

DatNiggaDaz:


Coming to Set the Northerners up against Nigerians. You and the people from your region have been supporting the Northerners since 2015 despite the atrocities committed by them against Nigeria. Why wailing now ?

Don't drop that support for them now. Don't try to seperate the Northerners from the SW. They are one, in religion and political sophisticatiion.

Ths is a theead begging for Southern yoonity to go against the Northerners. Only the SW must do that. No one is interested in what the Northerners are saying against the donator Alhaji.

Where is your messiah the fake certificate holder ? Has he abandoned the snatch maladministration and away to france ? While you are here setting the Northerners up against Nigerians

Wetin dem Dey talk, Wetin dis one Dey talk? Una nor Dey tire ni

Which state is Akor Adams from

SadiqBabaSani:
Should this excalate it may form the basis for a U.S ground invasion .

There is likelihood of a new war frontier

What other invasion again? They only needed Maduro who they claim is their enemy. What were they thinking when they captured a president on his own soil in his own country, they forgot he’d have loyalist that might eventually take to the gun or what. Looks like they forgot Iraq and ISIS so quick.