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delkuf:
Hi, it's been a while. Thank for asking the meaning

Peace be upon him

ZIAZI:
Apostle Paul never for once contradicted Jesus Christ. Paul always made reference to Jesus in his teachings.
Do well to read the Bible, with the desire to understand and not for a voyage of fault finding.
Believing in Jesus and confessing the name Jesus, are basically one and the same thing. This is purely a matter of semantics.

Furthermore, you've still not explained why Christianity is a confused religion. I'd like to know, thank you!

Read through my later explanations, then come back to ask another question.......... So that we maybe one

WHY WOULD GOD ALLOW THIS?

Why would God allow Paul to deceive the multitudes? Why would He allow Paul’s words to make it into the Bible? The answer is quite simple- to test if you love Him.

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

So, if a prophet of dreamer of dreams gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder comes to pass, and then this prophet tells you to follow a god that you do not recognize [because he is preaching something completely different]- do not listen to this

prophet. The Lord is testing you to see if you love Him with all of your heart and all of your soul. We are to fear the Lord and keep his commandments, obey his voice, and serve him. [Not just “believe” in him]. And the prophet will be put to death because he tried to turn you away from what the Lord told us to follow. We must get rid of the evil that is among us.
So the Lord has exposed Paul as a false prophet. The Heavenly Father and Yahushua both say that we must be obedient, whereas Paul says that because of grace, you do not have to worry about obedience anymore, all that matters is your faith.

Jesus (pbuh) also exposed Paul. Check Revelation 2:1-3. (Although, I condemn the book of revelation to be from God)

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: and hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

So Jesus (pbuh) is saying that he knows the church of Ephesus could not tolerate evil so they tried and tested someone who said they were an apostle but was lying. He said that the church had patience for his name sake, and did not grow weary.
Who did the Ephesians test and find out to be a liar?
Paul said it himself! 2 Timothy 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
Luke described this as well. And keep in mind, Luke was not calling Paul a false prophet.

And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. Acts 19:8-9

They turned away from him and rejected him! If he was really sent by Jesus (pbuh), then why would Jesus (pbuh) be pleased with the church for turning him away? Read it again. I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars Revelations 2:2
And finally, Paul also admitted that he was a liar For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Romans 3:7
He just said, if the truth of God has spread through my lie, then why am I being judged as a sinner?

Choose today who you will serve.

THINGS CHRISTIANS MISS BY FOLLOWING PAUL

When you follow Paul instead of Jesus (pbuh), you are putting your future at risk. No one is perfect, no man even Jesus (pbuh) will ever be perfect; yet that doesn’t erase that there are rules in place. Paul teaches people to disregard what the Lord says, and instead do what he says.
He even boldly says to be a follower of him. Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. (1 Corinthians 4:16) That is Paul talking, not the Lord.
There are millions of people who believe that the commands of the Heavenly
Father and His Son are irrelevant because Paul said so. Christianity has replaced Jesus (pbuh) with Paul, and if Jesus (pbuh) were to return right now (and I don’t mean the second coming, I am speaking in general), who would be happy to see Him? Christians would probably try to nail Him to the cross again for speaking against their beloved Paul.

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke
18:8

*The Importance of Repentance*

When you follow Paul, you miss out on the importance of repentance, because
Paul says that faith is all that matters. But Jesus (pbuh) repeatedly delivered the message of repentance.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
Luke 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

We also miss out on the importance of following God’s laws. Paul tells us that the laws are a burden and a curse so we are free from it. (Galatians 3:10-13) Now, the way the Pharisees kept the laws could be called a burden, and the Lord agrees (Matthew 23:2-4), but Jesus (pbuh) says His burden is light.

Matt.11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

For people saying Paul never contradict Jesus pbuh..... Look at some contradictions

1. Jesus pbuh said, For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. Luke 20:38

Paul says, For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living Romans 14:9

My question is that, Is He the Lord of the living, or the Lord of the living and the dead? Who do you believe?

2. Jesus pbuh said, For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Matthew 12:37

Paul says, For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law. Romans 3:28

My question is, Is a man justified by words, or by faith? Whose words will you follow?

3. Jesus pbuh said, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? Luke 14:26-28

Paul says, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

Paul says it costs nothing to be saved. Jesus pbuh says otherwise.... There is a cost for eternal life- you have to give up everything and follow Him. He is telling us so that we know in advanced. After all, who sits down to build something without counting out how much it costs?

4. Jesus pbuh said, Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 6:26

Paul says, [E]ven as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. 1 Cor
10:33

Paul says he pleases all men in all things. Jesus pbuh says woe to those who seek to please men. This sentiment is also
echoed in Luke 16:15

5. Jesus pbuh said, and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? John 11:26

Paul says, I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 1 Cor 15:31

Answer Him! Do you believe it, or do you believe that you die daily?

6. Jesus pbuh said, And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9

Paul says, For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the
gospel. 1 Cor 4:15

Jesus pbuh said to call no man your father, but Paul just said that he became your father through the gospel (I have begotten you).

7. Jesus pbuh said, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew
5:17

Paul says, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth Romans 10:4

Jesus pbuh said He did not come to destroy the law. Paul said the law was ended with Christ. Who is telling the
truth?

8. Jesus pbuh said, And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew
10:7-8

Paul says, Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. 1 Tim
5:17-18

Should one be paid for preaching the gospel? Jesus pbuh said “freely ye have received, freely give”. Paul says “the labourer is worthy of his reward.” He echoes this sentiment in 1 Cor 9:11-12

9. Jesus pbuh said, For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. Luke 20:38

Paul says, For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living Romans 14:9

My question is that, Is He the Lord of the living, or the Lord of the living and the dead? Who do you believe?

There are much more contradictions but I decided to cut it short.

I am not here to deprive you of your faith in Christ but for you to believe in the teachings of Christ.

WHO WAS PAUL

This is the short version. Saul of Tarsus was a Pharisee who persecuted Christians. (Acts 8:3) He claims that he was on his way to Damascus, when he saw the Lord. He says that Jesus (pbuh) asked why he was persecuting Him, and then Jesus (pbuh) told him to go into the city to find out what he should do. (Acts 9:5-6) There was a light all around him, and the men who were with him heard a voice, but did not see anything. (Acts 9:7-
The second version of the story is that the same thing happened, but the men who
were with him did not hear a voice. (Acts 22:6-9)

We’ll ignore that inconsistency to continue with the story.
Later, Saul received a message that he was a vessel for the Lord, and he began to preach that Jesus (pbuh) was the Son of God. After some time, the Jews conspired to kill him. He found out about it, and left by being lowered over a wall and into a basket. (Acts 9:23-25) But in the other version, it was King Aretas who was trying to kill him, so he left by being lowered over a wall and into a basket. (II Corinthians 11: 32,33)
Which one is it? Was it the Jews conspiring to kill him? Or was it King Aetas?

Perhaps you’ll argue that it means the same thing. But let’s continue the story.

Saul went to Jerusalem to join the disciples, but they did not believe he was a disciple, and they were afraid of him. (Acts 9:26) Eventually, Saul became Paul, and he spent a good deal of time defending himself against people who were calling him a liar. (Romans 3:7, 2 Timothy 1:15, 1 Timothy 2:7)

How many apostles do Jesus pbuh called....??

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matthew 19: 28)

Jesus (pbuh) said there were 12 apostles, just as there are 12 tribes of Israel.
What were the names of the 12 apostles?

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus,

whose surname was Thaddæus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. (Matthew 10:2-4)

These names are also listed in Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:12-19, Acts 1:13.

Where does Saul or Paul come in? Your first instinct may be to say that he replaced Judas Iscariot, since he betrayed Jesus (pbuh). But that is not the case. The 11 chose another apostle based on this: “Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.” (Acts 1:21-22)
So the man had to be there with them from the baptism of John, until Jesus (pbuh)
was taken away, and he also had to witness the resurrection. There were two choices; and Paul was not one of them. They cast lots to decide who it would be. Matthias was chosen to be the 12th apostle. (Acts 1:23-26)
So once again, who appointed Paul as the 13th apostle? He refers to himself as an
apostle numerous times, but who gave him this authority? Was the Lord mistaken when he said there were 12 seats for 12 apostles? Who do you believe- Jesus (pbuh) or Paul?

But Christians say's, Paul is the founder of Christianity and he was appointed by Jesus!??�

Paul proclaims that he is the apostle of the gentiles and Peter is the apostle to the Jews. (Galatians 2:7-9) If that were the case, why didn’t Jesus (pbuh) say that he would appoint another as well?

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matthew 16:18-20)

This gives new meaning to the phrase “robbing Peter to pay Paul”.

DID THE LORD WARN US ABOUT PAUL?

There are many warnings for those with ears to hear. Let’s see how Paul described himself.

Acts 23:6 I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Now, let’s look and see what Jesus (pbuh) said about Pharisees.

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Matthew 23:13)

So we have Jesus (pbuh) saying that Pharisees shut the door to the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. And that they can’t enter the doors of heaven, so they won’t let others enter either. He is also saying that Pharisees are hypocrites and that they make their converts or proselytes children of hell.
Then, we have Paul saying “I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee”. Does that not cause you to at least raise an eyebrow? Are we not to test all things?

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

Even Paul said not to believe everything you hear. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Jesus (pbuh) Warning
In Matthew 13: 24-30 Yahushua gives the parable of the wheat and the tares. I will
paraphrase it. He said that the kingdom of heaven is like a man who planted good seeds in his field. But while the man slept, the enemy came and planted tares among the wheat, and went away. But when the wheat grew and sprouted up- so did the tares.
So the servants of the man asked him, didn’t you plant good seeds? Where did these tares come from?
And the man said that the enemy did it. The servants asked if they should gather up the tares. The man said no, if you pull up the tares, you will pull the wheat up as well. The man said to let them grow up together, and when the harvest comes, he will instruct the reapers to gather the tares, bind them, and throw them into the fire; whereas the wheat will be brought to his barn.

Those with ears to hear should begin to see the big picture now, but let’s let Jesus (pbuh) explain it Himself.

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. (Matthew 13:38-43)

What does that have to do with Paul? Well, let’s look at some of the seeds he has sown.

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Paul said:
Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. 1 Corinthians 4:16 (emphasis mine)

Jesus (pbuh) said:
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own
name, him ye will receive. John 5:43 (emphasis mine)

Jesus (pbuh) told his disciples to spread the word and Baptize people, whereas Paul is saying something else........ Really contradictory (check Mathew 28:19 and 1 Corinthians 1:17)

Those are not the only discrepancies between Jesus (pbuh) and Paul; but let’s continue with the other warnings that are in the Bible. We will go back to Genesis, and see this prophesy.

Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; In the morning he devours the prey, And in the evening he divides the spoil. (Genesis 49: 27)
Now, let’s see how Paul describes himself. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of
Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. (Romans 1: 1)
We have Paul, a former killer of Christians who describes himself as a Benjamin.
Right now in this world- we have Bible Believers who try to understand God’s word and stick to it, verses Cultural Christians who may try to serve the Lord, but they do what Paul says instead. This is division. Going back in time, we have Paul saying he is to minister to the Gentiles and Peter is to minister to the Jews (more division).

Then, we have a verse that predicts that a Benjamin will devour or kill its prey; and then divide it. Who do you believe The Lord, or Paul?
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:15 ) Notice that both Matthew 7:15 and Genesis 49:27 refer to wolves

Signs and Wonders

Jesus (pbuh) said that people will claim to see him, and deceive many. He said that false prophets will show signs and wonders that if it were possible, it would lead the elect astray. He said that if anyone says that Jesus (pbuh) is in the wilderness or in secret chambers- do not believe them. When He returns, it will be clear to everyone. (Matthew 24:23-27)
Now go back and compare that to the experience that Paul described. We covered this earlier. He was walking and saw a light and heard a voice saying it was Jesus (pbuh). It could be argued that Paul was just describing a vision, and not actually saying that he saw Yahushua in the flesh. But then what about the two other people with him?
As we mentioned earlier, in the first account the two people heard the voice, but they didn’t see anything. But in the second account the people saw the light, but they did not hear anything. Either way, by including these two other people in his story, it is likely that Paul is establishing two witnesses for his testimony. So he is not describing a mental vision, he is trying to establish that this physically happened.
Paul also compared his seeing the Lord, to James seeing Him after the resurrection and to the rest of the apostles seeing Him after He resurrected. (1 Corinthians 15:5- So he is saying that he physically saw Jesus (pbuh).
I am not arguing that Paul did not have this experience, but what I am asking you to consider is that did Paul have this experience with Jesus (pbuh), or was it an imposter?
By the way, Paul’s experience happened outside of Damascus. Let’s see how our Heavenly Father described Damascus- And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way
to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria: (emphasis mine) 1 Kings 19:15
What did Jesus (pbuh) say in Matthew 24:26? If someone sees him in the desert (or wilderness) believe it not!
So who did Paul see in the wilderness? Remember the Parable of the Wheat and the Tares? Matthew 13:25 says “but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way”. Paul did not see Jesus (pbuh), he saw Satan.

But what about John? Didn’t John say he saw Jesus (pbuh) when he wrote Revelation?
John didn’t say he saw Jesus (pbuh) on earth. John said he was taken up to heaven,
and that is where he saw the Messiah. (Rev 4:1)


JESUS (PBUH) SAYS


My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me
John 10:27

PAUL SAYS

He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked Acts 9:4-5

Good day my noble readers.
For the sake of those questioning me, I have decided to modify and make a full explanation as to my own opinion and my view on Paul Christianity and Jesus. I beseech my Christ followers to please follow the teachings of Jesus (pbuh - meaning, Peace be upon him) rather than Paul. Please don't find it offensive, rather give out your own opinion as well and let's reason together so that we may be one.

When I compared what Paul taught, to what Jesus (pbuh) said, I found there were stark contrasts. Jesus (pbuh) said one thing, Paul said another, and so Christians do what Paul said.
I didn’t need to consult a translator, historian, theologian, or man-proclaimed expert to see that something was not right.
Let me give some thoughts to ponder upon.

HOW DO YOU GET SAVED?
I wish to be very clear about this. When Christians say's.......... No one is saved due to their own works. God’s people have an opportunity to be saved because of the blood of Jesus (pbuh) the Messiah. No one can have salvation on their own accord. No salvation can come just because you are a “good” person. After all, the Lord has already told us that no one is “good”.
However, that doesn’t erase that we still have to do what our Heavenly Father says.
People rely heavily on Paul’s proclamations that all that matters is your “belief” in Jesus (pbuh). That is, you just “believe”, and then you will be saved.
But is that what the Messiah taught, or is that a doctrine of men?

A man came up to Jesus (pbuh) and asked him what he needed to do to have eternal life. Jesus (pbuh) said “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” The man asked him which commandments, and he said “Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”
The man said that he has done all these things, and asked what he was missing. Jesus (pbuh) said, “If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.” The man left sad, because he was very rich. And Jesus (pbuh) said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:16-30)

Does that sound like the only thing you have to do is believe in Jesus (pbuh) in order to be saved? If you have been to a Christian church, you have heard it over and over-all you have to do is confess that Jesus is Lord and you will be saved.
But where did that come from? Did Jesus (pbuh)
say that? No, Paul did.

Romans 10:9
that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart
that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

That sure sounds very nice. The only thing I have to do is believe? That’s easy! But wait a minute, does Satan not also “believe” in the Lord?

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Obviously, there must be more to it than a mere “belief”. And we will explore that further.

But first, let’s find out, who is this man called Paul?