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A Christian who was born and raised a Muslim explain his experience with seemingly inexplicable anger on religion-related issues.

Why are Muslims stereotyped as being angry?

Because we are.

I was a Muslim for a good part of my life, up into adulthood; I even married my wife while I was still a Muslim. I am a 2nd-generation Turkish immigrant born in Germany to relatively liberal, Atatürk-loving parents. Mom didn’t wear a hijab, just a headscarf.

Yet, even then, I was brought up that certain things are not negotiable and that you have to stand up for these things, even if it means becoming violent in the process.

Any Muslim claiming otherwise is a filthy liar! Especially the boys. You know precisely what I’m talking about!

Things to get angry are if someone insults Islam, make a mockery of the Prophet, or not getting enough respect for your faith. That means, that not getting your Halal food on a field trip with your class (Klassenfahrt) should be reason enough to let them know that you’re outraged.

And I did just that. It’s like a programmed knee-jerk reaction: I severely beat up a German kid in elementary for reciting a dirty limerick about Muhammad. On another occasion, the other Turkish boys and I went berserk on the youth hostel (Schullandheim) staff for mistakenly serving us non-Halal food. And I even went to a demonstration - completely outraged - when Salman Rushdie published his book.

Only after I got married and settled down did I realize that I didn’t even know who this Muhammad guy really was. I read the Qur’an back-to-back, but I didn’t have a coherent picture of who Muhammad was since he was almost not present in the Qur’an. I didn’t even know why I had to eat halal food, except “it’s in the Qur’an,” or why Salman Rushdie’s book was “bad?” Traditional Muslim families don’t foster a culture of inquiry. You do as you’re told… or else. And you’re told to defend the honor of Islam and the Prophet, and indirectly your culture and your heritage.

So, yeah, it’s not just a stereotype. It’s not just in your head. It’s definitely not a prejudice. We Muslims have been brought up to be angrier than the average Westerner. And that’s a huge problem!

ADDENDUM

Has the situation changed? Are Muslim parents nowadays bringing up their children differently than when I was a kid? Was I an exception to the norm?

Apparently not.

The Hamas-Israeli conflict served as a litmus test in how Muslim students would react to the divisive nature of the situation. Apprently, in several big cities in Germany we saw rising violence against teachers by Muslim students, who couldn’t tolerate the opinions of their teachers:

MSN
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tense-situation-in-german-schools-riots-and-civil-commotion/ar-AA1iBXva

The angry Muslim is not just a stereotype.

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Muslims-stereotyped-as-being-angry

https://www.quora.com/profile/Mike-Muluk

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Yesterday, Israeli soldiers leaving
an operation in the West Bank casually murdered two young boys playing on the street.

An 8 year old boy brought down with
a bullet to the skull and his cousin a 15
a body shot.

These type of Israeli atrocities bring
about generational hatred that will continue
the cycle of violence forever.

The general thinking of the average
person who doesn't understand the deep
issues of the Israeli-Palestinian political
dynamics only see the killings Palestinians,
but are not aware that the Israelis on a daily
basis commit more violent crimes, but
the difference is that the perpetrator is
the Israeli government using their soldiers.

Killing dozens Palestinians, whether woman,
child or elderly is no crime to the Israelis,
but the whole world gets alerted if a Palestinian kills a single jew.✡️✡️✡️✡️

Palestinians and Hamas are quite good at showcasing in the media the "crimes" of Israelis and making efforts to manipulate and weaponize sympathy. Aren't these the same people shooting rockets from hospitals and schools while actively seeking to make Palestinian children and civilians collateral damage so they can whip up sympathy against Israel? This is the same Hamas that kills Palestinians that criticize them or they perceive as being tolerant or considerate of Israelis. Hamas has shown repeatedly by its actions that it doesn't value the lives of Palestinians, but they cry crocodile tears and raise blaming fingers when their actions cause the death of Palestinians in the hands of Israelis. These are the Palestinians that Hamas leadership tell anyone are the responsibilities of United Nations. It is worth noting that rather than build schools, hospitals and provide amenities with foreign aid for Palestinians, Hamas choose to build tunnels, rockets, buy ammunition and have their leadership live luxurious lifestyles in foreign countries like Qatar.

Palestinians and other foreigners supporting Hamas should ask themselves what has been the net gain of the actions of Hamas over the years for Palestinians. The truth is that the net gain is negative. Thousands of lives of Palestinians have been sacrificed and the actions have not gained anything but loss of land, territory and economic prosperity.

For those of you who don't know history, during the period of British Mandatory Palestine prior to 1948, when the Jews and Palestinians all lived together (both were then referred to as Palestinians), even though there were internal conflicts from time to time, the following facts were indisputable during those years:
1. Palestinian Arab literacy rates were higher than those of Egypt and Turkey despite being lower than that of Jews.
2. Palestinian Arabs earned more than Arabs in other countries despite having a lower earning power compared to Jews.
3. On the scale of the UN Human Development Index determined for around 1939, of 36 countries, Palestinian Jews were placed 15th, Palestinian Arabs 30th, Egypt 33rd and Turkey 35th.

All these indicators showed that Palestinian Arabs were doing much better than their fellow Arabs in other countries during those days even when they were not as economically advanced as the Palestinian Jews. Even Rashid Khalidi, a Palestinian-American historian in his book (Khalidi, Rashid (2006). The Iron Cage: The Story of the Palestinian Struggle for Statehood. Beacon Press. ISBN 978-0-8070-0308-4.) admitted that Palestinian Arab society, while overmatched by the Yishuv (Palestinian Jews), was as advanced as any other Arab society in the region and considerably more than several.

But after the disagreement of the Palestinian Arabs with the UN Partition Plan (to establish Palestinian Arab and Jewish States while Jerusalem would be under UN) and the subsequent 1947 to 148 Wars and several uprisings thereafter, what could anyone say about the economic situation of the Palestinian Arabs compared to their fellow Arabs? How far have the fallen down the ladder when they allowed themselves to be blinded by hatred for the Jews and Israel?

Today in Gaza, the unemployment rate is over 49% with over 70% youth unemployment. Power Grid, Water Supply System and Healthcare are toast from collateral damage. The only airport, the Yasser Arafat International Airport is in ruins. In June 2005, there were 3,900 factories in Gaza city employing 35,000 people, and in December 2007, there were 195 factories remaining, employing 1,700 people. The school students have 80% failure rate in schools grades four to nine, with up to 90% failure rates in mathematics. As at 2008 Schools in Gaza were canceling classes that were high on energy consumption, such as information technology, science labs and extra curricular activities. As at 2007, households in Gaza spent an average of 62% of their total income on food, compared to 37% in 2004. Currently, more than 80 percent of the population in Gaza live below the poverty line, according to the UN.

Between 2010 and 2011 when there was relative peace, the economy of Gaza grew by 16% in the first half of 2010. In 2011 Gaza's economy increased by 27% while unemployment fell to 29%, its lowest in a decade and per capita gross domestic product increased by 19%. In 2012, Qatar donated 400 million dollars towards construction projects in the Gaza Strip. That same 2012, an average of 250 trucks per day passed through the Kerem Shalom border crossing, transporting goods from Israel to the Gaza Strip boosting trade.

However, when there is a little stability to allow for development, Hamas and similar minded terrorists attack Israel and engineer retaliations that set the country back 20 years.

It may interest you to know that many Palestinians in Gaza worked in the Israeli service industry while the border was open. But these people couldn't work anymore after hostilities by Hamas led to blockades. You may also wish to know that providing the population of the Gaza Strip with a 24/7 power supply requires about 600 megawatts of electricity. Yet the Gaza Strip receives only 180 megawatts — 120 directly from Israel via 10 power lines, and 60 generated by Gaza's power plant with Qatari-funded fuel provided by Israel. It is not difficult to see the economic role of Israel in the development of Gaza but Hamas and their supporters choose same Israel as their major enemy in a conflict in which Hamas can never win for several reasons not to talk of their cowardice.

Where has the war of terror with Israel gotten the Palestinians today?

In West Africa, we may accuse Europeans and Americans of being colonizer and slave traders that cause our forefathers pains. However, we have discovered that living in the countries of these same people, our people have done better and fared far better than when living within their own countries in Africa. Today, we are the ones emigrating with gusto into the lands of our former slave masters.

See, hatred doesn't feed anybody. Hatred of Israelis doesn't feed any Palestinian. It is people like Hamas that are benefiting from it all. If Gaza and Palestine in general toe the path of peace with Israel, terrorist like Hamas will have nothing to benefit or rely upon. Their sources of radical funding from Iran and other Jew hating Arabs will dry up. But Palestinians in general will be the better for it.

References:

Gaza’s economy is in ruins as Israel-Hamas war sets development back decades
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/24/israel-hamas-war-sets-gazas-development-back-by-nearly-two-decades.html

Gaza loses 61 percent of jobs in Israel-Hamas war, UN agency says
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/7/more-than-60-percent-of-jobs-lost-in-gaza-due-to-war-un-agency-says

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/gaza-palestinians-tortured-summarily-killed-by-hamas-forces-during-2014-conflict/

Palestinians executed by the Hamas Government
https://statistics.btselem.org/en/stats/since-cast-lead/by-date-of-incident/execution-hamas/occupied-territories

What gives the Zionist apartheid regime of Israel the audacity to forcefully demand Gaza's evacuation, denying Palestinians the right to return to their homeland?

Beyond the pictures of wounded and dead people in Gaza, beyond the rise of emotions, it is necessary to deeply consider some issues as raised in this post from Quora and the accompanying responses. Of what good has Hamas been to the Palestinians? And how innocent really are most of the Palestinians who went out and cheered in the streets on hearing news of the October 7, 2023 massacre? What level of apartheid is Israel bringing upon the Palestinians?

Look at these pictures posted here!

This is Gaza.

In June 18 2023 the Israeli government have decided to build the infrastructure of the off-shore rig (of the Gaza Marine) and give it to the Palestinian government.

Instead of stealing from their citizens, take water pipes and use them to build rockets. They could use their knowledge to build oil pipelines.

Instead of building "Gaza Metro" for military purposes. They could build an actual metro in Gaza that would serve their citizens.

in 2005, Israel forcefully moved out of Gaza 8000 Israeli citizens.

Nobody in their right mind in Israel wants their land.

Mark Miller:

Israel is not perfect. It also has crossed the line. And, I do feel sadness for the Palestinians. However, there is also a part of me that sees the argument they have brought their outcomes on themselves.

The Palestinian Authority has shown great skill in lining its leadership’s and cronies’ pockets, but precious little else. Hamas has had governmental authority over Gaza for nearly 20 years. We know that no serious economic development has ever been undertaken and we know that huge portions of humanitarian aid was diverted to Hamas, its fighters and to make missiles and other weapons.

There is a huge constituency in the world that, because of anti-semitism, slavish devotion to totalitarianism or some other Orwellian reason, wants us to believe Israel is apartheid, evil and illegitimate. Meanwhile, they want us to ignore all the times totalitarians such as Hamas engage in the most vile acts imaginable and even beyond imagination.

Some say these are not the actions of the Palestinians as a whole. To an extent, I can see their argument. However, this ignores that while protestors in Iran have gone into the streets to fight that regime’s treatment of women and its other crimes and groups in Syria have engaged in arm rebellion against its oppressive government, Hamas has proceeded and is proceeding down a terrible road path with no visible opposition from its people. Its instances of evil are numerous. Not only have Gazans not lifted their voices, they have also gone into the streets to cheer the mass murders of 9/11 and to oppose progress from which they, themselves, would benefit.

https://www.quora.com/What-gives-the-Zionist-apartheid-regime-of-Israel-the-audacity-to-forcefully-demand-Gazas-evacuation-denying-Palestinians-the-right-to-return-to-their-homeland

Why are some countries willing to accept 8 million refugees from Ukraine, but unwilling to accept 2 million Palestinian refugees?
No-one will accept Palestinian refugees - not even the Muslim states that pretend to support them.

No-one will accept Palestinian refugees - not even the Muslim states that pretend to support them.

1. They were accepted by Jordan, where they tried to assassinate the King and take over the country, teamed up with Syria and triggered a full-scale war.

2. They were ejected into Syria, where they caused problems and were forced out into Lebanon.

3. In Lebanon, they helped trigger a civil war that has utterly destroyed the country.

4. In Egypt, they fomented terror attacks. Egypt classifies Hamas as a terror group and closed the border long ago.

5. In Kuwait they supported the invading Iraqis, and were ejected after their defeat.

6. In Gaza, Hamas massacred at least 600 Fatah supporters after they took power.

And of course they have committed many other terrorist outrages around the world.

Hamas is openly committed to the genocide of Jews worldwide and the establishment of a global Shariah Caliphate. During the 17 years they have been in power, they have been energetically indoctrinating all their young people with these toxic ideas. This doesn’t make them good neighbours.

Would you like these guys to move in next door to your children?

Source: Geoff Caplan on Quora
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-some-countries-willing-to-accept-8-million-refugees-from-Ukraine-but-unwilling-to-accept-2-million-Palestinian-refugees

Kazeemabiodun:
I dont know how God allow your mother to born you with dirty mouth and munafiq way may God guide all the christains aright because I never seen a sincere christains they are all dumb

When shallow people are short of reasoning to defend their weak arguments, they resort to insults, which actually go further to highlight the shallowness and emptyness of their thinking process.

You have a hero that is a porn addict and when confronted with the undeniable facts, what is your response? Insults. But am I surprised? No. On the contrary. What do you expect from someone who holds Bin Laden as his hero?

ObabiOlorunosi:
after instigating the mumu Hamas to fight. I don't really blame them,I blame the mumu Hamas that could not read between the lines.

Hamas was stupid to have carried out the October 7 attack and not expect dire consequences. Hezbollah learnt the hard way from the razing of Southern Lebanon by Isreal and you can see how that has taught Hezbollah how to restrain itself from any stupid adventure against Isreal. Hamas is also going to learn the hard way after the razing of Gaza if Hamas and any of its leadership are able to survive the war.

There is only one language that Jihadist understand and it is the language of terror and brutal retailiations. It is the language they speak anyway.

Biodun556:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvIDFrM5TU?si=GSkUbu5AOQ1Qglk2

The letter reveals why US support Israel occupation of Palestine and the reason why terrorism is justified.

The Guardian news paper has since deleted the letter following wider circulation among American citizens.

Osama bin Laden the Jihadist with an extensive cache of pornographic videos. Masquerading as a holy figher of Islam in the day while retiring to pornography and other vile perversions at night, away from the public eye. If Osama is anybody's hero, then such a person need serious rethinking of his or her life.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-binladen-porn-idUSTRE74C4RK20110513/

This post seeks to compare and contrast the decisions or judgements of Jesus and Muhammad regarding two different adulterous women. While one advocates forgiveness while highlighting the hypocrisy of men (i.e. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone), the other advocates unforgiving judgement and condemnation. It appears that in Islam, to be purified of a sin regardless of your repentance, you must serve the punishment even if it meant death.

The Book Pertaining to Punishments Prescribed by Islam (Kitab Al-Hudud)

Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 17:

Book 017, Number 4206:

'Abdullah b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma'iz b. Malik al-A

…He (the narrator) said: There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried.

Huge difference from the Gospel of John and how Jesus dealt with an adulterous woman.

John 8:3–11

3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.

9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

https://www.quora.com/Did-prophet-Muhammad-stone-a-woman-to-death

The Christ Apostolic Church Theological Seminary Ile Ife introduces its new official website and portal for the benefit of applicants, students and staff members of the Seminary. For several years the major online presence of the Seminary has been its Facebook page at https://web.facebook.com/cactsmaincampus/?_rdc=1&_rdr

However, in keeping tradition with other vibrant Tertiary Institutions and Seminaries in the country, the Christ Apostolic Church Theological Seminary Ile Ife recently debuted its Official Website at https://www.cactsileife.edu.ng

The Website and the associated Portal at https://portal.cactsileife.edu.ng now allow applicants to the Seminary to make online applications for admissions without having to travel down to purchase forms at the Seminary.

The Provost of the Seminary, Professor C. O. Oshun in his welcome message on the website, expressed his desire to potential applicants to join the train of champions that have been bred by the Seminary over the years.

You are welcome to the official website of the CAC Theological Seminary (CACTS), Ile Ife, Nigeria. CACTS is a heterogeneous, interdenominational, and multi-campus institution that is owned by the Christ Apostolic Church, Nigeria and Overseas, and affiliated to Joseph Ayo Babalola University (JABU), IkejiArakeji. As part of our milestones since establishment as a Bible Training College in 1952 and formally a Theological Seminary in 1979, CACTS has produced in quantum, spiritual and academic giants with deep theological insights and global recognition.

Our easy-to-navigate official website avails surfers the opportunity to get to know what the CACTS represents at a glance as every click provides ample information that will help their decisions.We are very confident that what you see will interest and motivate you to undertake either an undergraduate or postgraduate programme in the relevant available fields of study with us at the Main Campus domiciled at Ile Ife, Osun State, Nigeria, or at any of our fifteen (15) satellite campuses.We love to have you join the team of the global champions that we breed, or partner with us in the raising of godly intellectuals and disciples of Jesus Christ as combatant workforce, to depopulate the kingdom of darkness through balanced theological education and spirituality. Once again, you are welcome.

Pastor Professor C.O. Oshun, ffnacham, ffnapcoun, fitcn, mus. amb. anim
B.A (Hons), Ibadan; M.A (Theol.),B’ham; PhD (Theol.), Exeter.
Provost

Source: https://www.cactsileife.edu.ng/provost-welcome/