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eGuerrilla: Now you are simply being contrarian for this sake of it.

Okay. Don't mind me

That's what a 'dose' of Eko Ile did to my brain.

eGuerrilla: Now you are simply being contrarian for this sake of it.

Okay. Don't mind me

eGuerrilla: But you've just re-emphasised my point.
You did exactly the same thing earlier

But ACN's is NOT constitutional

@Dayokanu ^^^Waxing lyrical

From the link you posted, eGuerilla:

Those who really know the Labour party know that real power is in the hands of those who control the organisation. And that means that you need to understand the rules and procedures. Better still, mould them to your own ends.

For those who understand the rules and procedures. What rules and procedures are they following in ACN?

eGuerrilla: Desola, have a read of this article written by Peter Watt (General secretary of the Labour party).



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Off to do some work.

It makes a 'mockery' of it but constitutional.

Eko Ile gone to bed?

Where'ya, Baba to pupa?

Desola: Wrong! Wrong!! Wrong!! On your second account, that is.

The labour does carry our internal primaries. 25% of the MPs in the party must vote for him who emerges as the party leader, who of course goes on to become a candidate for the prime minister position.

Not just 25%. What about labour unions? They vote too. I still remember, vividly, what Unite did to David Miliband.

Desola: Oodua a ti e lehin!

It's a task that must be done!

Aluta continua!

Victoria Acerta

Eko Ile: I didn't ask for the rubbish you are boring me with, I asked for specific acts of nepotism , put up or shut up.

i actually thought you would come across as clued up not this desperate attempt to derail this thread.

Yo can see your ACN?


Influencing something as pedestrian as headship of market associations.

Now, imagine what you guys do in your dodgy dungeons of Bourdillon for elective offices at State/LG council levels

Eko Ile: Stop acting braintarded, log off if you have nothing better to contribute..

We refuse to allow you to derail this thread.

Taking ACN to the cleaners is a task that Ola one MUST accomplish.


It is being done by me for posterity, for the Yorubaland.

For God and country

Eko Ile: Your own personal opinions and views regarding specific acts of nepotism would have sufficed instead of other people's baseless views and assertions...

Baseless? The assertion that Tinubu has become an overlord after the fashion of Napoleon. That Yorubaland is now his personal fiefdom through sheer nepotism as blindly supported, encouraged and championed by Eko Ile on Nairaland?

Eko Ile: And what are you not happy about here? The fact that she was accorded her due rights as next in line for the position or the fact that the stakeholders are not happy with their unanimous decision?

Sounds like you prefer an unjust situation where this woman is denied and passed over as the next person in line because of her fathers name. Is this what you call fair and democratic?

Stop ranting, Babapupa

[quote author=eGuerrilla]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8188896.stm

As you would note from the excerpt copied in below, even the conservative party only experimented with primaries for the first time in 2009.



Source: wikipedia

from bbc

The Conservatives had opened up selection meetings to non-members before, but this time had gone a step further and sent all 69,000 Totnes voters a postal ballot.

In a traditional selection meeting only a few hundred party members will vote.

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8188896.stm

eGuerrilla: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8188896.stm

As you would note from the excerpt copied in below, even the conservative party only experimented with primaries for the first time in 2009.



Source: wikipedia

It doesn't really have to be an open primaries - US-type. Even the Labour Party of Britain doesn't have an open primaries

dayokanu: If its not in the ACN constitution then the other ACN candidates should challenge them to court for violating their constitution

As for me, I am okay with the products of the ACN selections I have seen thus far as against the party primaries candidate

So, even if they refuse to challenge this arbitrariness for whatever reasons they might have, does that mean the 'importation' of this alien principle which has become so firm, lasting and enduring among ACN Commandoes, not ultra vires and without any studious platform in any democratic horizon?

dayokanu: There is nothing in the world where "Everyone" would be happy about even "hands free w@nk" would make some ppl complain

The majority that keep voting them into power obviously don't think much of it

They have always gone through the rigours of primaries like the average Joe out there

eGuerrilla: There are two separate issues here that have now been conflated, in my opinion:

(1) Allegations of nepotism
(2) ACN's refusal to guided by primaries in the selection of its electoral candidates

On the first issue, it is fair say most commentators on this thread actually take a pejorative view.
The reason for this is quite simple; no amount of spin from the opposing side of the divide can dampen what independent observers consider an assault on their senses, especially given the unequivocal denials issued by party apparatchiks just a few days earlier. If Tinubu does not curtail his political overreach soon, history will judge him accordingly.

Moving on, can we afford to be equally dismissive of ACN's selection process, within a context of cash-and-carry politics which often make primaries superfluous? Is this particular tradition really incompatible with democracy, when both the Conservative and Labour party in Britain which have been in existence for more than 100 years - Miliband backs US-style primaries - still uphold it?

How do we ensure a greater inclusion of women or even those drawn from linguistic minorities, in mainstream politics, if there is no absolutely room for some element of selection?

By the way, the link you posted is not loading, at all. I have tried to open it 4 times

dayokanu: SHow us the content of the go to book which they flouted

Any of the previous aspirants not selected would have pointed this out.

So Ola show us the constitution of the ACN that says selection is illegal

What if I manage to show it's not in your constitution?

Do you henceforth promise to accept it's spurious then?

eGuerrilla: There are two separate issues here that have now been conflated, in my opinion:

(1) Allegations of nepotism
(2) ACN's refusal to guided by primaries in the selection of its electoral candidates

On the first issue, it is fair say most commentators on this thread actually take a pejorative view.
The reason for this is quite simple; no amount of spin from the opposing side of the divide can dampen what independent observers consider an assault on their senses, especially given the unequivocal denials issued by party apparatchiks just a few days earlier. If Tinubu does not curtail his political overreach soon, history will judge him accordingly.

M[b]oving on, can we afford to be equally dismissive of ACN's selection process, within a context of cash-and-carry politics which often make primaries superfluous? Is this particular tradition really incompatible with democracy, when both the Conservative and Labour party in Britain which have been in existence for more than 100 years - Miliband backs US-style primaries - still uphold it?

How do we ensure a greater inclusion of women or even those drawn from linguistic minorities, in mainstream politics, if there is no absolutely room for some element of selection?[/b]

This is different, if you ask me. Politics of inclusiveness is different from apparent nepotism, sir

dayokanu: I have never seen the constitution of any Political party before whether in Nigera or elsewhere

I read what the Chairman of the party said openly and no one from the party has come out to challenge him that it was against the Party tenet.

So why would you think its against the Party constitution, In case you think its against the party constitution, then the onus is on you to prove it.

It's against it because it wasn't written in your go-to book. So, any claim to the contrary is not just spurious but sinister.

dayokanu: Can you show us how the selection of Tinubus daughter was different from previous Iyalojas

No precedence in the sense that no Iyaloja ever handed headship of Market Association to her grand daughter after a spurious decision/selection process by the Oba of Lagos Tinubu. Get it?

Eko Ile: Kpele mr private market association = government agency...

You people don fall hand because even our resident ignorant villagers on NL Sabi better...lmao

Okay
Was she by any chance selected somewhere on Bourdillon, Ikoyi?

dayokanu: The party chairman has come out to say within the ACN they select candidates. This was before any Tinubu family got into politics

Was it written down. You know for a fact that the man could say he's misquoted tomorrow. I would like to see it in your party's constitution.

I am sure you don't have to swot up on this in order to post it here for all to see. And, it wont turn you to a swot either. So, you can do it; references from your constitution, PLEASE.

Please, again, answer

dayokanu: This girl became the Iyaloja by the [size=18pt]ratification[/size] of the Oba of Lagos and in accordance to how previous Iyalojas were chosen

Ratification by ramifications and complications, abi?


Getting really interesting

Eko Ile: You too ? Any association with constitution now means official stay government entity?


Are you people intentionaly acting dumb and ignorant ?

He's desperate to derail this thread. With vitriol, of course.


I no dey do abuse

Desola: Shut your pie hole! Wasn't it reported that your folashade was appointed according to the constitution of the market? You are not bright at all! What she holds is an official position and as long as her rule is governed by a constitution, she does hold the position in an offical capacity and so can be subject to public criticism!

he knows. Just spinning, as usual

Desola: How come you haven't responded to the example I raised about patience jonathan being made the permanent secretary of bayelsa state. If Bayelsan's didn't complain about her appointment, why did hypocrites like yourself did? If it is good for the child of your oga at the top to be imposed, surely it must be good for patience, non?

Bloody hypocrite!

Imagine.

dayokanu: The party chairman Bisi AKande said it and I posted it on this forum yesterday and you saw it

*Stepping out for now*

Since you didn't provide any reference, I take it that it wasn't stated in the constitution.

If so, what does that make of ACN? A party of anything goes? Where acrobatic displays (policy flip flops) are not just allowed, but all stops are pulled out to bring about wheeling and dealing, and nepotism at the highest level?

dayokanu: What question sir?

This one:

Let's focus on this Iyaloja thing first.


how, in your view, did a girl who was a student in London 6 years ago become the head of traders in my dear Yorubaland? Through voodooism or jagabanism?

Please, answer

You only replied with another question

dayokanu: The party chairman Bisi AKande said it and I posted it on this forum yesterday and you saw it

*Stepping out for now*

He said it - personal opinion of Bisi Akande, perhaps.



Was it enshrined in their go-to book, the constitution?
Don't tell me you have this unbridled support for ACN without knowing what its constitution says

dayokanu: You are pushing the boundaries of senselessness

Can you show what makes a Lawyer, Doctor, Engineer unqualified to run for office because " He has never held any political post before"

Since you are from Anambra
What Political office did Peter Obi hold before contesting for Anambra governorship

You have willingly misunderstood the guy. He meant the In Law/Remi Tinubu weren't into politics before then. The just emerged flag bearers overnight. They were not even known as active party members at ward levels