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Wow!

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Nice.

I have read the print severally and still can’t find the ’jealousy’.

Can anyone point it outto me, please?

Efewestern:
When we tell them that you need igbos votes before you can win any election in Lag they call u names, Here is one clear example, 2019 is probably around the corner and Mr ambode is trying to Garner igbos votes, that's y he is forming brotherhood.

. Na joke I they o

I love the accommodating spirit of the yorubas.

Jimi Agbaje comes to mind.

Na joke I dey o

Now his senatorial district need to make sure he does not return to th Senate regardless of having a young person to take his place or not.

He needs to be kicked out and needs to be made aware home rest is or old people’s home is for old people and not politics or any public office at that.

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My alma mater and Igbodu used to have run ins back in the day.

#1855DeoDuce.

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I do not think the defeat of Boko Haram or not should be spoken of. I mean, what if world powers pick on this and create another trouble for Nigeria within her borders? Seems like some baseless conspiracy theory but proxy wars happened during the cold war years and could be employed in this day and age to keep a state underdeveloped through the damages, starvation and budgetory allocations to quel crisis that could have gone towards stimulating development.

uzoronwusa:

pls leave pastors out of this.i see that you can believe theres no GOD but still believe in juju.funny.

LMAO a she.eple spotted.

I believe in God as understood and explained by my own ancestors not God as understood and explained by Romans or Europeans. God, to me, is a black person. I am sure to you, God is a caucasian with flowing blonde hair and sparkling blue eyes.

I believe in God and believe Juju is not magic, it relies heavily on whatever physical work one has put in.

Speaking of ‘Juju’, put your bible down for a minute and read this:

Olu317

In Ife piror to this, the Ooni’s balls were in the hands of the Ogboni. Read Leo Frobenius’ journal during his visit to Ife for insight. Read up on Oyo, Ibadan & Ijebu pre-colonial history too, to have an idea of how much Ogboni controlled the king & the state.

Kings may have some type of power since 1914 till today but they are floor menbers of Ogboni. The Kings treat Oluwo, Lisa, Apena, Iya Abiye & co as royalties. Kings do not head any Ogboni.

I am sharing this from the position of an ‘insider’.

Olu317

Ooni was under Ogboni until the colonialists who didn’t understand the the system only recognised whomever appeared as the head elevated the Ooni over everyone starting with Ooni Ademiluyi Ajagun who had colonial police at his disposal to suppress dissenters.

It was further amplified when Ooni Adesoji rearranged Ife traditional system by placing palace messengers (Modewa) as high Chiefs and stepping Isoro (Priest Kings of Orisas & their clans) down who were the members of Ogboni who controlled the Ooni.

macof:


Eni ti a bi ni Ugbo to lo joba lode Iranje... here meaning
Born in Ugbo, became king at Iranje

Seems to imply Ugbo had always existed, not created due to opposition against Oduduwa and is the birthplace of Obatala

Also Ugbo(Ilaje) recognize Obamakin Osangangan as first Olugbo

Yes Ugbo group existed, their section was/is Iwinrin in the ancient 13 communities. This Iwinrin clan was in existence as at the time Obatala’s Iranje-Ideta was in existence. So I can’t speak on him being born at Ugbo except it is a figurative expression of his pact with Ugbo when they moved from Iwinrin to Igbo-Ugbo in protest against being ruled by an usurper [also still in existene].

They [Ilaje] call him Oronmakin, it may have been him or another person who became the first Olugbo when they got to their present site.

Why do I say this? After Oduduwa was taken out, Osangangan became king in Ile-Ife. How could he have been an Olugbo at the same time? Except he was the Obawinrin while they were In Igbo-Ugbo because as told to me by uncle, Obatala went to meet Obamakin at Igbo-Ugbo and the latter stepped down from his throne for Obatala to become king - hence ‘Obatala Oba Ugbo’, ‘Obatala Oseremagbo’.

Obatala’s side practically customized the crown — this is making me theorize it may have been the reason all of his children both male & female left Ife. If it was not for Oranmiyan who came back to wage another war, Oduduwa’s connection to ife throne may not have been prominent.

Olu317:
@ OrisaEsu, there is something about oriki idilè that had been patterned to connect each Yoruba person back to his or her root at ILE IFE. And it is a definition of where exactly such individual comes from in Yoruba land and perpetually leading one back to settlements in ILE IFE , originally were somehow known as sixteen but compressed by Odua and his loyalist during the clan fracas. One's root may not necessarily be the pivotal place to one's successfulness in life but identifying with such place will always be source of inspiration from where one can draw one's strength. There is something I will draw your attention to and it is the difference between the original Ogboni and the reform Ogboni. The ancient Ogboni from the Obatala's descendants were seen as a rebellious group by the Odua descendants. There is more though but let me infer here that at the tail end of 19th-early/ mid 20th century, the ILE IFE emigrants to other places fused together, through attestation of Oranmiyan sword symbol on each princes emigration, religious beliefs and intermarriages irrespective of the power tussle between Odua and Obatala descendants against invaders. This was how the reform Ogboni came into existence.

This is an interesting thought, baba.

The first emboldened is very true, oriki idile was one of our father & mother’s way of keeping our connections to our various sources intact.

- The second emboldened, baba, I can’t say for sure if Ogboni Ideta was rebellious but I do know every Ooni has to initiate into it before anything else. Every Ooni also brings calabash of food every year barefeet walking 7 times to and from his palace. This started from Oduduwa & it was one of the ways Oduduwa won the battle but lost most of the victory. It is why every Ooni is called ‘Alase ekeji orisa’, Obatala is the only deity known as Orisa in the whole pantheon - apologies that I digressed. The Ogboni then was to break Oduduwa’s wings, it had him tied down and subject to Obatala who co-ruled with him but from behind the scene. Might I add that Obatala owned the Are crown too and joininh the Ogboni was one of the conditions upon which every Ooni could be given the crown.


- Baba what you alluded to as the formation of ROF is not correct o except you’ve confused ROF for Ogboni Ibile. ROF was formed in the Nigeria colonial era in the Anglican church.

Syogbe:
Please, I want you to tell me more about Eniti a bi ni Ugbo to lo joba lode Iranje. Is Iranje in Ile-Ife or where?
Was Obatala born in Ugbo in Ile-Ife?
Where is Ugbo located or was Ile-Ife called Ugbo at a time?

To answer your Q:

Iranje us in Ile-Ife, the entirety of Iranje Ile & Iranje Oko is called Idita-Iranje.

Quite a tricky question because there were different groups & Obawinrin was the head of Ugbo. Obatala was forced out of town but was invited over to stay with Obawinrin at Igbo-Ugbo [Ugbo Forest is still in Ife], it was from here attacks were launched into Ife till Moremi stepped in. Obatala reluctantly went to join Obawinrin who stepped down from his throne and crowned Obatala King [Obatala Oba Ugbo or Oserema’gbo]. He noved to Iranje oko from here and continued to rule as king till he was appeased back to his palace at Iranje Ile.

Ugbo was one of the 16 groups in Ife. They are still there today and their king remains Obawinrin.

Why do you ask these questions?

macof:


I've engaged that buffoon on occasion

It seems bini people today have no interest for history or anthropologic knowledge so they just take everything with a mind for local politics and ethnic bigotry
Their young are seriously lacking in intellectualism

Lol the man started off as though he knew what he was doing till he began to fumble with references & talking glib about renowned authorities in History.

The whole nonsense started with their revisionist king whose imaginative composition was dumped in the bin by academics as quickly as it came out

KUBA1987:
So now 1957 is 600 years ago.
yoruba revisionists, it will never be well with you guys.

1533 to 2017 = ?

textsEsmeraldo de situ orbis
by Pacheco Pereira, Duarte, d. 1533; Kimble, George Herbert Tinley, 1908- ed. and tr

Publication date 1937
Topics Discoveries in geography
Publisher London, Printed for the Hakluyt Society
Collection americana
Digitizing sponsor Google
Book from the collections of University of Michigan
Language Portuguese; und
Book digitized by Google from the library of the University of Michigan and uploaded to the Internet

"Select bibliography": p. [xxxiii]-xxxv
Copyright-region US
Identifier esmeraldodesitu00peregoog
Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t6833s774
Lccn 37031434
Ocr ABBYY FineReader 8.0
Openlibrary_edition OL6361165M
Openlibrary_work OL124904W
Pages 188
Possible copyright status NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT
Scandate 20070801
Scanner google
Source http://books.google.com/books?id=5LI8AAAAMAAJ&oe=UTF-8
Worldcat 5964621
Year 1892
Full catalog record MARCXML

Above is the data attached with the document in my possession.

See the dates & put your publication experience to use.

Bini scholar

KUBA1987:
Discussing with you was just an other waste of time.
Yesterday for a little momment I thought you were the one yoruba on nairaland who was not trying to perform a 419 trick.
I can see that I was greatly mistaking.
You make laughable and ethnocentric claims and you can't back them with proof.
You can't get a 600 year old document of a converstaion you claimed happened 600 years ago, instead you provide me the first page of a document written in 1892 with no relation whatsoever to the topic.
I have discussed with clowns in the past but this is even worse.
The conversation is closed.
You are just an other yoruba 419 story teller. You tell lies and hope to hoodwink the public.

Good.

You lot have endlessly benefitted from Yoruba,I won’t extend it by adding to your knowledge.

I have provided you with the citation to the document. Now what do you? Take that citation and find the document.

You claimed to have corrected your professors, wrote publications and have a master’s. Certainly, you know how to retreive citations. Now go get it.

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Olu317:
There is no doubt about it. Even if we have issues within our Yoruba enclave, it is not their cup of tea. We open their eyes, exposed them to good things of life [/b]and [b]because of Yoruba's shrewd secrecy, they want to take advantage of it. Sorry is their case!

Exactly o! They even benefitted from not being overrun by Oyo who saw them as brothers and let them live. They benefitted from Awori who saw them as our brothers and gave them the swampy patch of land. They benefitted from our monarchy, art & religion - Olokun, Ifa, Ogun & so on. We are the reason they have whatever little prominence they have yet they want to talk glib.

KUBA1987:
It seems you are seriously brain damaged.
Where exactly does it say "Written by Duarte, 1553" ?
And where is the f***ing claim in the book ?

1533 not 1553.

You want the book? Go find it

You can see the scribble on the top right corner showing the U of Michigan got the document in 1892.

KUBA1987:
I actually hold a masters degree.
I have worked in laboratories on publications.

I don't want to debate how research works with you, just prove your claims. It is that simple, stop trying to create diversion by saying "accademia this", "research that", "reference is only way to prove". Instead just provide proof.

I am not discussing things which have nothing to do with the topic.

I suppose in your lab and publications, references are not enough for the critic to work with?

In my area, it is enough to work with. No one asks people in my field to provide proofs beyond citations in their bibliography, sorry.

And I have provided you with the screenshot of the document. Go find a way to lay your hand on one.

Olu317:
Let them rain curses, we are their father. This is the reason they tried so much to create a different identity, yet they couldn't do without Yoruba's oranmiyan. Either folklore or myth, at least an Ooni sculpture was dug out in the heart of Bini palace. Yoruba history can do without naming 1000 relevant people without mentioning anyone, so proud, who claims or claimed representing Bini cum Edo's version. What a pity!

1. The excavation you posted will seriously rattle that man & bother him for the rest of the night

2. Facts, we can tell our history without latching on to any group.

KUBA1987:
What I have asked you from the beginning has always been the same:

i[b]n order to prove your claim, you must show a 600 year old document in which the claim is made.
[/b]

Now, understanding that you are doing everything to go arround this simple task, I precised to you that just showing any 600 year old document was not sufficient and that you needed to prove that the claim was made in the document. The only way to do that is to show the passage in the document where the claim is made.

I never asked you for references, you brought that out of your own volition rather than actually proving your claim. And I objected to that and reminded you several times that you still had not provided proof.

You keep making frivolous claims about conducting research and helping bini bourgeoisie professors YET you do not know once reference is provided it behoves the reader to dig into the reference if anything is in doubt.

I provided several references but you are in doubt. It is now up to you to vet my references till you lay your hand on the 600 year old document.

This is how it is done in Humanities.

Now, I went out of my way to send you a screen shot of the 600 year old document which I should not have.

KUBA1987:
The document was made in 1892 it is written on it.
Are you going to debate this ?
Is this the level of your madness ?
You are now debating things which everybodies eyes can see ?

textsEsmeraldo de situ orbis
by Pacheco Pereira, Duarte, d. 1533; Kimble, George Herbert Tinley, 1908- ed. and tr

Publication date 1937
Topics Discoveries in geography
Publisher London, Printed for the Hakluyt Society
Collection americana
Digitizing sponsor Google
Book from the collections of University of Michigan
Language Portuguese; und
Book digitized by Google from the library of the University of Michigan and uploaded to the Internet

"Select bibliography": p. [xxxiii]-xxxv
Copyright-region US
Identifier esmeraldodesitu00peregoog
Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t6833s774
Lccn 37031434
Ocr ABBYY FineReader 8.0
Openlibrary_edition OL6361165M
Openlibrary_work OL124904W
Pages 188
Possible copyright status NOT_IN_COPYRIGHT
Scandate 20070801
Scanner google
Source http://books.google.com/books?id=5LI8AAAAMAAJ&oe=UTF-8
Worldcat 5964621
Year 1892
Full catalog record MARCXML

Your retardation is now in full glare and at full speed.

1. Written by Duarte, 1533

2. Translated by George in 1908

3. Translated version published in 1937

4. This copy was digitized and sent to the U of Michigan.

5. This copy I have belongs to the U of Michian and was made available in 1892.

Smh.

KUBA1987:
Now it seems you are just repeating your previous claims which I have already debunked.

Indeed you said this:


To which I have already responded by saying this:

The claims were sourced from the books to which I have provided references.

If you have to seek for proof, seek it from the authors included in the references.

You are not and have not been making any sense whatsoever.

I should have let you slide when you began to brush citations, the core of research, to the side.

Smh, Bini education.

Olu317:
You don't need to proof anything to Edos because facts are there as a foothold.
[b]Below are pictures of Ooni done via sculpture. One of it was dug out of Bini Palace. [/b]The other one was Ooni lafogido's. I wonder if Bini was that relevant that even Portuguese Explorers didn't consider having his sculpture beimg casted via the method learned at ILE IFE ? Yet there are sculpture done in Bini to acknowledge the interaction with Bini kingdom

LOL

See murder.

That dude is going to ask you to provide proof of where it was dug and pictures of those who dug it.

Just watch

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KUBA1987:
Wow, so you actually think the year 1892 is 600 years ago ?
This explains a lot about you.
So your proof is the first page of a book written in 1892 ?
On that page all that is written is the title of the book.
Wow, you are really incredible. You have proven that some human beings (you) are not smarter than chimpanzees.

I was so waitin for this comment!

It was made public in 1892, smh.

Look at the front page, it was certified by Portuguese archives.

Looking for straws to latch on to much eh?

KUBA1987:
It is not about "doing it for me".
it is about proving your claim.
If you can't prove your claim then just say so instead of looking for insults to throw.

The only known way of providing proof in academia as far as humaities go is to cite references from where claims were lifted - text or oral.

I’ve done this — given you references.

Yet you ask for proof.