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we have lot of economic news to digest this week

We Need to bring back this thread and the soul of this thread is Free Alert. i need your suggestion on how to go abbout this.

wus1: i want to ask if BOM no dey do magomago if them see say you dey win well well and secondly i want to ask if demo bettinng that is with virtual money in BOM are the same with their real betting because i dey make profit in demo trading and i think am set to go live.thanks in advance for reply

Hello house this is pappy

They know. Why does this make the front page

The truth is that with people like tinubu akeredolu
N mimiko running for political offices in nigeria then we are
Far from development.
These people don't understand the meaning of governance
They believe governance is building 30 schools in four teaes
N building roads n hospitals in which they can't visit for their
Personal health matters.
How many foreign direct investment has mimiko brought to ondo as
A result of strategic thinking.we need thinkers in goverment not this set of people

Gosh aren't they tired of protesting

collinsfbi: Leave a mail, I will send you an empty message, then you can reply with your message or use Nairaland email system which I think is the best.

Gbamm over n out

Bros why cant we trash the issue of rent.I have checked Guntree and the prices are a bit high from what i heard from the word of mouth.Can you give pratical advice on the issue of housing. Looking for housing of R1000 which is comfortable.the shared ones.Your advice on this will be highly appreciated

collinsfbi: I am everywhere as long as it has to do with internet but don't you think it will be beneficial to all if we share everything here?

Gbamm over n out

somethings are better said in camera.But things that we believe will be beneficial to all will be written here

Pelumiv: Lovely. i wish u safe trip in advance. @ Collins and others, u have been so kind in responding to our questions,may Jehovah continue to bless u all.

Yeah,if we are to pay the consultation fee of Mr Collins,we will have to bring out a lot of money.Thanks so much God bless you.I got some short courses which range from 3500 rand to 5000 rands.I will be making more enquires from the univeristy.Thanks so much mr Collins

Pelumiv: Are you married? which church do you attend? cuz people like u is rare.

I am single but I have a woman that i want to marry,Its nothing special.I have made up my mind that my first marriage will be my only marriage.I should be in South Africa by the first week of November so I need to get as much information as i can

Pelumiv: @ Pappy, hope you don't mind if i ask which religion you associate with?

Christain. I believe in one man one wife

collinsfbi: Car hiring is negotiable, you will find out upon arrival but you can budget like + or - R1000 depending on vehicle/negotiation. contact VFS Abuja here http://www.vfsglobal.com/southafrica/nigeria/contactus.html and you can get hotel accommodation charges here http://www.sun-city-south-africa.com/cabanas-hotel depending on room type or search for more hotels within sun city.

Gbamm over n out

Bros,can you help with schools that I can use for short courses,I mean suggestions.....and which the cost of the school will not be more than 5000 rands for six months,I am a bit confused,I dont like marriage sham becos of my religion.

The next question is that do I choose this private institution and do the study permit from South Africa or do I do the it through the visitor visa routine,secondly how long does it take to process study permit if I want to do it in south Africa and do you have any reputable immigration practioner.Thanks you have been more than a brother, secondly where do I do get cheap accommodation.Please put safety in mind.

collinsfbi: What is your purpose of going to SA? Are you planning to go there, sleep and wake up everyday without doing anything and pay rent and bill all in the name -am tired of naija. How long do you plan to stay in SA? You will enjoy SA if you are lucky to get a job (no guarantee) or if you have enough cash to waste.

Gbamm over n out

I want to get to school there and see if when i get the permit i can travel to other places and have atravel history.If $350 will be good i dont mind staying for a year and see how things go.thanks for your understanding.I need to move on change enviroment and see what happens in other climes and see if i can get business opportunities in south Africa, that is my thinking, but if i stay in Nigeria I think i might not get the best in terms of exposure.

collinsfbi: if u get a regular income u can get your visa without any agent with just your 18k visa fee, paid hotel accomodation of let's say 5day for about 30k ,

Documents required include:

A passport or travel document valid for no less than 30 days after the expiry of your intended visit, your passport must have at least one unused page for entry / departure endorsements
Account statement from 300k above
A completed Form BI-84 (you can download online)
2 passport photographs with white background
A yellow-fever vaccination certificate
Letter of introduction from your employer to embassy stating u are going on vacation or annual leave supported by the company Certificate of incurporation (CAC)
Application letter for visa written by the applicant confirming the purpose and duration of your visit
Marriage certificate if married supported by wedding picture as evidence and spouse letter of support
Paid Hotel booking or letter of invitation
A return Flight booking (you can do this online without making payment a day before you submit your application

Gbamm over n out

Bros you have done well,but all i am asking is this,I dont want to get married to a south african lady but i have up to $350 monthly which i can spend without recourse to work,I mean I have a house which pays me rent coupled with the fact that I do somethings online which brings in cash,are u still telling me that if the worst come to the worst,i cant survive on #350 monthly,please advice me,you scaring me,and if south africa is not good where do i go.I am just tired of Naija

morpheus24: @ Pappy2000

CollinsFbi and Manager 007 have given you the best advice possible regarding SA. I have been to the country several times and have worked with the Nigerian embassy and some groups that assist refugees in that country. I have also seen the plight of many immigrants, been to Hillbrow and Sunnyside in pretoria, refugee camps on Capetown and many townships where foreigners reside so I too am talking from experience.

On my last visit to SA earlier this year, I met a chap on the plane with similar aspirations as yourself. He was going to SA to hustle it out. I advised him regarding the same things you are beind told here and gave him my number to call if he needed more advice.

Low and behold couple of months ago, he called me and was desperately in need of help as he was stranded in SA with no money, job or accomodation to live in. He began to cry on the phone and beckon me to assist him in any way possible. To cut a long story short. This particular individual is back home in Nigeria now.

No one is trying to stop you from going to Sa as it is obviously physically impossible to do so. However keep in mind that SA of the early 2000's is not the same today. There are stricter immigration laws, crack downs on immigrants and the economy is not doing as well as before duing the Mbeki era. Therefore there are more hostilities towards African immigrants especially ones from Nigeria.

The bottom line is you need CAPITAL to establish properly in SA. My advice would be to visit the country first. Take a look around and get a feel for the place over a period of 2 to 3 monthns on a tourist visa. If it is feasible then prepare to come back knowing fully well what you are getting into.

To be forewarned is to be forearmed!!

Thanks I wont back off,there is no harm in trying

Thanks everyone,the question is if sa is that bad what are you guys still doing there,no offence please.I wont change my mind,the only thing i can learn from all this is that maybe i should tarry a whil and add more money.I know if i have 50k in a month i can survive

collinsfbi: If I were you, I will invest that 600k in a business in naija but since your mind is made up, I will advise you to go through the normal tourist visa, but the best you can do upon arrival is to look for a school and apply for any short courses (many short courses @unisa or any other school raging from R5k-R10k/year. Mind you Manager007 is yet to let you know that accommodation is very expensive except you have someone to share rent/utility bills with or else you will not last with your 600k after paying 18k visa fee, 110k repatriation, about 100k ticket (total 238k, balance of 362k less than $2,300). Be ready to do your permit and pay rent and program fee from your balance, all these I can guarantee you but financial continuity/stability is what I cannot guarantee. I can assure you that by the time you pay for your program fee/rent/permit, you will be left with nothing and survival becomes difficult except you have financial back up in naija but if you are relying on getting a job here, my brother you mighty up being frustrated. Think about it again and make your final decision.

Gbamm over n out

Thanks for your concern.God bless you in Jesus name.I know the steps I am about to take is not a bad one.let talk a bit about the issue of security,the way things are painted here is that whenever they see u as a Nigerian its like u get shot,please can you tell me the security situation of the place.
Let talk about how much do I need to set aside for monthly allowance.Please let me know this also.from what I can see on the web I hear that cape town seems to be the best place in terms of security,but I hear that the place is equal expensive.I have heard about investing in Nigeria but please I want you to set that aside,I am no longer interested in the Nigerian Project so let forget that.The so Truth of the matter is that If things don’t work,there is nothing that says I can get back here to Nigeria.Please I want you to tell me issues bordering security, food, shelter, utility bills and what is the cost of living.How much should I budget monthly for the cost of living here.Please I need your good advice.thanks I know that you are concern that I am about to make mistake but my instinct tells me that its not as bad as you are painting it.If there are challenges how do we overcome it,not that we should just stay back.I am no longer interested in Nigeria. I hate to hear that word If I were you I will invest in Nigeria,the truth is that Nigeria is a very bad place,you must be ready to bribe your way before you can do anything,as I am talking to you I am on Generator,I have spent a lot of fuel this month.Its a pretty bad situation

Manager007: Pappy2000,

firstly, every human being has a right of migration. you are entitled to freedom of movement. Wherever you choose to go is entirely up to you provided you do so properly and seek adequate knowledge about the country you are migrating to.

Collinsfbi has been very generous by telling you the absolute truth about possible relocation to SA to seek greener pastures. Yes, its true that SA's economy is better than Naija's. its also true that there are so many opportunities here as compared to Nigeria. However, the fact that you are a Nigerian will definitely count against you in this country.(i mentioned this in one of my earlier post). You may even begin to feel this Naija-phobia from the moment you disembark from the plane at OR Thabo airport in Johannesburg from the Immigration official.

The main reason why things may be difficult here for is simply because of your nationality and largely because you are an African Immigrant. SA isn't friendly to immigrants from other parts of Africa, except of course for countries like Botswana, Namibia etc. Nigerians, especially are the most feared of these immigrants laregely because of what some of our brothers who arrived SA so many years ago have laid a bad precedence. When you mention Nigeria, the first thing that comes to mind is Drugs, Fraud,Forgery and all other nefarious activities. It has become common thing to read and watch Nigerians being burst for crimes in newspapers and on tv. Sometime ago, some naija guys were burst by the elite Hawks unit for the "UK lotto scam" where they had taken money from an unsuspecting school principal, but still wanted more and asked her to meet her in a hotel..also, another was shown on tv for doing "wash wash money" and even claiming his father is a minister in Nigeria and taught him the fraud.

You can get SA work permit with or without hassles, but thats the first hurdle. I guarantee you, whenever you apply for jobs (especially blue-collar jobs), you will scrutinized more than the other candidates for being a Nigerian.

All SA can offer you is a relative stable electricty, food (yes, food is cheap), modest living and women. Southie women just love their Nigerian men.. When you arrive, you go see..

Another thing, you should know since you say you wanna use SA to transit to other countries, its no longer so easy, because foreign embassies here have also been hit with forged docs submitted from some scrupulous naija applicants, hence, when you present your naija pali, they will scrutinize all docs you submitted throughly before deciding to issue a visa to u, if they feel you deserve.

Botswana, may be a rich country, but it depends largely on SA economy. lots of Botswana students are sponsored by their government to come study in SA and they all (in most cases) always return home after studies. Even if you have Botswana visa, at the port of entry or border, be ready for thorough questioning from immigration official as to why you are visiting their country. Botswana women are beautiful, and they like naija guys so much, strictly because of our sexual prowess (like they claimed), but be mindful that they also have a high HIV incidence rate as well. one thing is sure, if SA has nothing to offer you, be sure there's nothing happening in Botswana for you. Except studying.

Things can only become slightly simpler if you study and complete a degree in this country.You should be able to get a decent job in that regard. Lots of naija people are employed in good-paying sectors like engineering, medicine, education etc. While, a large majority are engaged in trading or hussling to survive. A trip to Sunnyside in Pretoria will convince you. Or visit Hillbrow in Johannesburg. A lot Nigerians started like you with high hopes of making it in SA upon arrival, only to regret wasting so much money not properly investigating their immigration plans. Boys go tell you here.

With the N600k you have, why not visit and buy things for immediate sale in naija upon your return?


Naija no easy, and alot of things is messed up and i dont blame you for wanting to leave the country. It's not a bad idea actually, but why not visit SA and see things for yourself? You can decide the way forward from there. A lot

But then, the decision rests solely on you.

Thanks for taking time out to respond to my post,may the good Lord bless you.Firstly,I want to say that there is no harm in trying and the fact is that a lot of people here will discourage you from travelling,If you Malaysia they will tell you its no go area,if you say uk they wil tell you you will suffer there,if you say cairo they will tell you its for women.Sir,the chinnese have a better economy than ours yet a lot of them come here and they took the risk so I believe its worth trying.I don’t have high hopes in fact I believe I cant make break through within the first 2 years of my arrival if I stay and anywhere I go even if its Botswana I still believe I am going to face initial hurdles and I also know my nationality counts against me like you have said inyour previous post but one thing is sure if one can preserve those initial challenges then I believe one can make it there.the problem I have with Nigeria is that I no longer believe in the Nigerian Project,here if you are truthful you will be punished so that is my bone of contention and I am tired of bad news daily.You wrote in one of your previous post that one can get a quickie job like security in some places,I am not looking for a job really becos I have some little investment I can fall back on in Nigeria in terms of monthly property rent which might not be enough so I believe if I can use that and get a dirty job and seek new frointers then I believe that on the long run things might be better,I have my strategy which I believe will work but I need your support and the support I need is that I want to be adequately informed about the challenges that I will face.You have told me about the fact that my Nationality will count against me so if I get those unnecessary comments or talk I have already prepare myself for this. In term of other things that I may like face please tell me those pratical things provide I am not going to get shot just becos I am a Nigeria.I want you sir to please tell us the challenges and the possible ways of getting a solution.so please I want you to give us a pratical way of solving the issue that will may likely face,I just hope they are not violent people as in physical attack on me.I want you sir to give us pratical info on shelter,where can I get shelter,Food,Job,education and a whole lot of other things that will help us in pratical terms.Thank you sir,May God bless you,Let us talk about the challenges and the possible solutions so that I can put that into consideration.The only reason I can disembark from this is if you tell me that I will be physically harmed.

please can people here who have knowledge tell me the odds against me making it in south africa

collinsfbi: As much as you want to know the truth, then I will tell you, the Immigration Act, 2002 (Act No 13 of 2002) aimed to facilitate and simplify the application and issuing process of permits, as well as regulate immigrants by making sure that they adhere to certain criteria. As a result of this, Home Affairs, decided to give legal right to various immigration practitioners who are registered with the Department to assist immigrants in putting together their applications for the different type of permit that they need. In this regards, some of these practitioners (known as agents) do get permit of different kinds for immigrants without paying the repatriation and this depend largely on their inner connection. I have met with some and they charge btw R5k-R7k but I will never advice anybody to do that. There is nothing like doing the right thing to get the right result to avoid immigration problem in the future

Gbamm over n out

Bros I need your reasoning for saying that i should not travel to south africa.and please can i have your telephone number

I dont want to believe this permissim about seeking greener pasture in foreign land.
Let face it, I believe it is as a result of ignorance.I want to try South africa
becos it will give me the opportunity to have travel history.I want your reasons why u
think sa is not good for hustling.Let face it.They have a better economy than Nigeria and these
are the indices and the parameters we need to make it.so,please can anyone give valid reason.If you
go to a country and you dont have permit to work then automatically u cant work.Let face it.I want your
reasoning. if u say uk,they say its bad,if u say europe they say nothing is there.so where is something.

Please how much is the work permit.thanks for your reply

collinsfbi: If you are really determined to go and financially ok, then go through the normal tourist visa, you can extend your stay on some reasonable ground probably apply for some short courses/training if you are financially capable, this will enable you to understand me very well and to decide if you really want to seek greener pasture in SA or not, experience they say is the best teacher.

Gbamm over n out

I just want to go,check my previous,I am an accomplished Fx trader.I have done well for myself in that regard,I want to see if i can partner with CFD providers in the sa

Thanks Bro,I am going there to get the work permit,Sa is not my destination and if u have anything u want to tell me that is the truth please go ahead and tell me.I am willing to listen.I want to cross to Botswana.I have a person there.She is soemonei met on the internet.I just want to leave this country.Its not that I am not doing well here,but I need to move out.I have an open mind and besides i am not going to be looking for a job.I just want to seek new frointers. Please tell me all i need to know.I am bedgeting 600k for this trip.

I will appreciate if anyone can give me pratical details.like where i can live

I need to go,my instincts just wants to go

Yeah,I am in Nigeria,i am going to seek greener pasture in south africa.Please dont advice me not to go.I am determined,there is no harming in trying if things go wrong I can always come back.I want to go to south africa becos i can come back after i get the work permit or use that to travel to other places.I got a girl in BOtswana.And i also think sa is one of the few countries that allow visitor path to work permit

Please i need your advice,my agent told me that i dont need to pay repariation fee,but i have heard on this forum that i need the recepit to obtain a work permit

omo babe: u've said it all by saying there's nothing in dat country,by d way what are u going there to do? Wa jiya wa jewe iya.

I hope u can read well,I never seek your advice on the place.You sit in front of the \
computer and write rubbish.I want the required document for the embassy.

I am going to visit someone important to me

Please,dont tell me there is nothing in that country.I need telephone number or required documents

Please I need the tourist visa requirement for botswana.I have an invitation letter from a friend but i dont know what else they will need at the embassy and i live in Lagos so i cant just go to Abuja and come back so please help me if u know the required documents neeeded.Thanks