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bidexiii:
Are you kidding me.......i thought they where new.....

Commissioning of refurbished gun boats and the CDs,CAS,COAS & CNS are all present @ the occasion ........ The only military chief I did not notice is the chief of military intellegence. it's funny kind of

Sad. So NN refurbishes 3 patrol boats and that huge commissioning celebration was organised? Until the services start getting serious, this cycle of mediocrity will not end. Well, they necessity is the mother of invention. Many concerned citizens of and interested parties in Nigeria have been calling for localised ship building but nothing serious has happened. With Nigerdock facilities and other marine facilities in Nigeria. By now, Nigeria should be building the hulls of vessels of up to 3000 tons at home. Imagine the cost that will be cut if all hulls are built at home and Nigeria enters into agreement with some small but faithful companies from countries like Russia or Germany to outfit the vessels with engines, navigation and weapons systems. Patrol boats, FACs and other light vessels should be things routinely built in house. The human and industrial capacity is there, but I suppose it is not attractive enough to do business at home.

Henry240:
The T-90 has proven it's mettle in Syria. It is a great Tank. We should go full trottle for the T-90. 250 units of T-90 tanks, supported by 300 units of light tanks/IFV.


T-72/T-90 is a waste and does nothing but duplicate capabilities.

An upgraded vehicle would only give you 10 years of active service life before it becomes a thirsty dinosaur.

I support Nigeria buying only T-90 tanks. But then, Nigeria is not willing to pay up...anyway, the T-72 upgrade is not just something peripheral. It is more like building a new tank because the old tank is stripped down to its carcass, it gets a new, more powerful engine and drive system, new electronics, new sighting systems, new armour package...this is more or less a new tank, that kind of upgrade does not make your acquisition a financial burden at all. And considering the fact that it comes at a few hundreds of thousands of dollars a tank, it is a BARGAIN. The question though are will Russia allow Uralvagonzavod to sell an upgrade kit to the T-72B3 version? Is the Nigerian military even ready to do any acquisition? Are they willing to do an open, transparent acquisition that maximises the reach of the money spent?
Personally, I wish to see Nigeria fielding only only T-90 tanks in their hundreds!

Henry240:
The T-90 has proven it's mettle in Syria. It is a great Tank. We should go full trottle for the T-90. 250 units of T-90 tanks, supported by 300 units of light tanks/IFV.


T-72/T-90 is a waste and does nothing but duplicate capabilities.

An upgraded vehicle would only give you 10 years of active service life before it becomes a thirsty dinosaur.

I support Nigeria buying only T-90 tanks. But then, Nigeria is not willing to pay up...anyway, the T-72 upgrade is not just something peripheral. It is more like building a new tank because the old tank is stripped down to its carcass, it gets a new, more powerful engine and drive system, new electronics, new sighting systems, new armour package...this is more or less a new tank, that kind of upgrade does not make your acquisition a financial burden at all. And considering the fact that it comes at a few hundreds of thousands of dollars a tank, it is a BARGAIN. The question though is will Russia allow Uralvagonzavod to sell an upgrade kit to the T-72B3 version? Is the Nigerian military even ready to do any acquisition? Are they willing to do an open, transparent acquisition that maximises the reach of the money spent?
Personally, I wish to see Nigeria fielding only only T-90 tanks in their hundreds!

bidexiii:
OFF TOPIC....


Get Ready, NATO: Russia's Cold War T-72 Tank Is Set for a Big Upgrade

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/get-ready-nato-russias-cold-war-t-72-tank-set-big-upgrade-15642

I was quite happy to read this. If Nigeria means business, Nigeria can buy off a large stock of T-72 from different Russian arrpoved sources and upgrade them under this program. If Nigeria has 250 T-72 with this upgrade, you have a tank in the class of T-90 or most modern tanks out there for a fraction of the cost!
The size of Nigeria of today requires at least 600 tanks but then due to cost, the country can key into this upgrade to get 250 upgraded T-72 and then buy 100 T-90 MS, all tanks conditioned to the harsh, hot Nigerian climate. This would be a steal for Nigeria and for a reasonable length of time to come (at least until 2030), the army can put money into other equipment and forget about buying more tanks.

bidexiii:
@henry
I just took my time today to read about the "Tucano jet" ; I never knew it's a very awesome bird that has seing much action in war/CION and incredible payload,avionic system and armament.

My question is why would our top brass hesitate to go to Embraer Defense and Security in Brazil and get these affordable/cost efficient jets. I mean these is a jet that has a beautiful performance to its credentials;

Afghan,
Braszil;"anti-farc military operations"
Chile,
Colombia,
Dominican Republic,
Ecuador and even united states...etc.

So why av we being waiting all these years, if united states refuse then let's get our brown new from Brazil.

Embraer would need US permission to sell the planes to Nigeria because of certain component issues. The engine is made in the US for example and this means automatically before it can be sold to any country, Embraer first has to get a green light from the US. Considering the US-Nigeria relationship, that would not have been possible. And if they forcefully sell them to Nigeria, that would automatically put them into problems with sourcing parts from the US in future and Nigeria would not be able to but engine parts, especially to service their stock.
In my opinion, the problem is that Nigeria has never been serious about anything. SU-25 is a dedicated ground attack aircraft, better than the Tucano in all aspects and it is being produced up till now. Also, the price is in the same range as the Tucano. The only advantage the Tucano has is the "cheaper" operational cost. Theoretically, the operational cost of the Super Tucano is about half that of the SU-25. But then the SU 25 has triple the pay load, better protection and survivability (consider the armoured cockpit and twin R-195 engines that can survive 12.7 mm rounds) that only the A10-Warthog can match, longer loiter time, better armament, redundancy...if you consider the overall advantages, plus the fact that the nation least likely to kill your deal or ground your equipment through sanctions is Russia, you would chose SU 25.
Nigeria needs to think long term in acquisition too. You just don't want to acquire something for boko haram only, you want to acquire something that serves a long term, extended purpose, beyond insurgency threat. Super Tucano is good, but the airforce should think more strategically.