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UncleAyo:
Which particular claim? Be specific so I can know what to do.

Good.
All the claims you made about islam.

UncleAyo:
You are yet to tell me exactly what is not correct from what I wrote and why you feel it is not correct. I'm still waiting...

You made claims about Islam without any proofs yet I'm the one to bring proofs to prove you wrong 😂

UncleAyo:
Why can't you present your proofs if you feel what I wrote is not correct. You think we this day don't have access to the quran, haddits and their translations?

What proofs did you present other than jargons, Boy, you have to bring proofs for your claims.

How can you have access to the Quran and hadiths and still blunder about islam in your initial post? Do your homework boy

UncleAyo:
All these fake imported religions have destroyed the normal mental processes of a lot of our people.

If you are following any of the two religion, you should know for fact that:

There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no God (or god), there is no Allah, there are no angels, there are no demons, there are no spirits, there is no life after death, juju don't work, there is no eternal judgment, there is no karma, there was no historical Jesus. All those are figment of human imaginations and tools use by a very few some to control the very many others. The earlier you understand and accept these facts as facts, the happier and merrier your life and existence will be.

The religion you're currently claiming is the religion of your parents, if you were born into a different family of another religion (say Hinduism), that is the exact religion you will practice.

You were born without a religion in you, your factory reset has no religion in it. If you were to be a phone and they do factory reset on you today being a phone, there will not be anything found related to religion in your settings, files and file systems anymore; you learn religion only after your birth growing up.


Islam is idolatry and paganism, Christianity aswell is idolatry - All the world religion is idolatry, including all the Abrahamic religion. Holy communion is idolatory, bowing for a stone call Kaaba of the Bedouin tribes is also idolatory, killing of rams is idolatory, kissing or licking of a stone at mecca is idolatory, throwing of stone at pilgrimage is idolatory too.


Nakedly circumambulations of the Kaaba, annual prigrimage to mecca, kissing of black stone, bowing towards the stone (stone worship) are all preislamic pagan practises by the nomadic Bedouin tribe and the same is what they still practice today.

All Abrahamic religion are idolatory, they only package them well and condemn your heritage as evil, whereas, Nigeria was better in terms of morality, honesty and integrity before they brought the foreign religions.

In peace loving, emotional intelligence, love for neighbors, respect for sanctity of life, we are even better than those who brought those religion with primitive leaders and prophets whose morality and characters are highly questionable.


Release yourself today from the shackles of religion. Stop wasting away your life and existence!

If you like, allow one illiterate alfa, imam or pastor to keep telling you "you will go to hell". When you die, your death experience will be like the same experience you had before your conception (pregnancy) ie. There is nothing like afterlife. Or where were you before your mother gave birth to you?

Apart from the fact that this is absolutely off the topic of the thread, this reeks of your compounded ignorance.

Infact, Illah is what the Arabic call God and not Allah. Allah was one of the diety been worshiped before the invention of Islam. That is why muslims will say something like "la ilah ila huwa" meaning Allah is one Illah (God). Have you ask yourself why Prophet Mohammed's father who was an idol worshiper and who lived before the invention of islam has Allah in is name Abdullai== Abdu Allah? It is because Allah has been an idol worshiped by paganists before the Prophet received his revelations

What strand of illiteracy is this? You clearly don't have knowledge about this, what sort of blunders are these

Kobojunkie:
E be like say either the Taquiya is strong with you or comprehension dey very far from you. 😒

Pay attention! It does not matter that the permission for the act came from Allah of Islam, as what is of importance here is that the creation was done through the acts of Isa of Islam. Allah of Islam used Isa of Islam, his spirit in human form, to carry out the act of creation. That says everything. 😒

2. Creation is not a miracle; it is essentially the bringing of a thing into existence from nothing. Allah said he alone had the capability of such. Musa of Islam's parting of the sea, on the other hand, is a miracle and does not compare to bringing life into existence. The sea existed, and so also the sea floor. The parting of the water so the people could walk on the sea floor was a miracle, not an act comparable to the act of creation itself. 😒

3. Now you are just lying! According to Allah in the Quran and Hadiths, no human being will escape judgment and Jahanam(even the Islamic prophet is expected to spend time in the Islamic Hell). However, Isa of Islam was able to escape judgment and Jahannam, placing him not among humans but among gods. 😒

4. Wrong! Allah of Islam himself attributed those things to Isa of Islam by his words. I am simply reiterating what your Quran and Hadiths clearly state. 😒

It's ironic that you started with accusations of "taqiyya" and dishonesty, then immediately made claims that are demonstrably false, you can do better than this, and next time, before accusing me of "taquiya" you have to bring evidence from the Quran and the sunnah that establishes whatever I said as a "taquiya" otherwise keep quiet.

You said that no human being escapes judgment and punishment, and that even Muhammad (SAW) is expected to spend time in Hell. Where is your evidence for either claim?

The Prophet (SAW) explicitly mentioned seventy thousand people who will enter Paradise without reckoning and without punishment. So your statement that "no human being will escape judgment" is already false.

You're also moving the goalposts.

Your original argument was that Isa has godhood because he created. Now you've changed it to Allah created through Isa. Those are two completely different claims.

If Allah creating through someone makes that person divine, then every prophet becomes divine. Allah split the sea through Musa. Allah brought forth the she-camel as a sign through Salih. Allah made the fire cool for Ibrahim. Allah healed people through Isa. In every case, the power belongs to Allah, not the prophet.

And you're sneaking in another assumption: that Isa created from nothing. The verse doesn't even say that. It says he fashioned a bird from clay and it became a living bird by Allah's permission. The life came from Allah, not from Isa independently.

In fact, what do you do with Ibrahim(AS)? Allah commanded him to take birds, cut them into pieces, place them on different hills, then call them, and they came back to him alive by Allah's permission, then by your logic Ibrahim would also have to share in divinity.

As for Isa (AS) being raised, being raised by Allah is not a divine attribute. It is something Allah did for him. Receiving a favor from God does not make someone God.

The Qur'an repeatedly calls him a servant, a messenger, and one sent by Allah. You're importing divinity into texts that are explicitly emphasizing his dependence on Allah.

The irony is that every verse you're citing stresses Allah's power and Isa's (AS) dependence on Him:

- He created the bird by Allah's permission.
- He healed by Allah's permission.
- He raised the dead by Allah's permission.
- He was raised by Allah.

None of those statements establish divinity. They establish the exact opposite.

At this point, your argument boils down to: "If Allah performs extraordinary acts through someone, that person shares in godhood."

But that conclusion doesn't follow from the verses, and if applied consistently, it would make multiple prophets, and even ordinary believers who enter Paradise without reckoning participants in godhood.

Kobojunkie:
The fact that Allah, the supposed creator of all things, had Isa of Islam create some things by his leave implies that Isa of Islam has godly attributes. Add to this the fact that the Quran states that Isa of Islam was taken to be with Allah--- not only did he not die but also there was no judgment or hell for him --- and you start to see something which is that in Islam, Isa of Islam has godhood attributed to him.** 😒

From the above, one can essentially argue then that the Allah of Islam is the true God of Islam, while the Quran and Isa of Islam also share godhood as they both have some of Allah's attributes within them while maintaining some level of separation from Allah of Islam himself. This is part of the Islamic faith. 😒

**People like John of Damascus, a Syrian monk, understood this fact regarding what is contained in the Islamic texts from as far back as the 8th century AD. This is probably why he rightly wrote in his letter titled The Heresy of the Ishmaelites that Islam was a heretic sect of the religion of Christianity.

What kind of argument is this?

The Qur'an explicitly says Isa created the bird by Allah's permission, not by independent power. If “doing something by Allah’s permission” makes someone divine , then every prophet who performed miracles would be divine too.

Was Musa (AS) divine because Allah split the sea through him? Was Salih(AS) divine because Allah brought a she-camel from a rock as a sign for his people? Was Ibrahim (AS) divine because Allah made the fire cool and safe for him?

As for Isa being raised, being raised by Allah is not a divine attribute either. And being saved from punishment simply means someone is righteous, not divine. Even there's an hadith that talks about a number of people going to paradise without reckoning, by that logic, every prophet who enters Paradise becomes a god, all the people who are admitted into paradise without reckoning are gods too, this is is so absurd.

You’re taking actions that the verses explicitly attribute to Allah’s power and then attributing them independently to Isa. The verses do the exact opposite of what you’re claiming.

Duuude, how can you even bring this as evidence? 🤣 You’re arguing against the very verses you’re quoting.

Image123:
Is that how you enter university in Nigeria without o'level or jamb, just vibes and courtroom excuses?

What is your point?

Auspiman:
God loves everyone of us and wants our good. A baby has nothing to account because he/she is not yet responsible for his/her actions.

Even those incapacitated to the point they can't understand the teachings or even those who are capable but don't have the knowledge of Christ availed to them.
Is not a case of the Nigerian law that says ignorance is not an excuse. God is lovely fair to all of us.

May we have the right knowledge of Him

You have to bring evidence for this.


And, if I'm not one of these people, neither mentally deficient, nor a baby who died before reaching age of discernment, and then I come without any sins according to your doctrine, but didnt do what the op said people should do to be in the book of life, am I still going to be casted into the lake of fire?

cutecommend:
Your name written in the book if life is the only way you can enter heaven. Without your name in the book of life, you are going to hell fire.

Do you want your name in the book of life? Just say this sincerely "Lord Jesus please I am sorry for all my sins. Please forgive me all my sins and come into my life now in Jesus name. Amen".

Please attend a good church, read your bible everyday and pray everyday.

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"

What about babies, children that didn't reach age of understanding, special needs individuals that have incapacitated mental function that don't get the chance to do all these, they get casted into the lake of fire too?

What does the Bible say about raping? And what the rapist should do after raping?

agulion:
Islamic terrorists and islamic bandits are all over Nigeria, unfortunately the FG are treating them with kid gloves, I don't think this religion can progress without terror

There are similar cases like this where it turned out it was the pastor's church members that perpetrated the crime, without any shred of evidence you've taken a moral ground blaming islam for something even forbidden in the religion

agulion:
Yoruba Muslims are not in support of islamic terrorists and islamic bandits, does it mean islam can not trif without terror? Most of us Yoruba Muslims will soon aboudon this evil believe

You're are grown man doing this, ashamed of associating with your tribe?

Where in islam does it say go forth and kill people unjustly, and kidnap people for ransom?

Ever8090:
After sacrificing those innocent animals life to Allah a Muslim believe he is qualified for paradise especially when he or she add hatread and kpaing of unbelievers

The Jesus in your Bible didn't sacrifice innocent animals?

Dbegining:
Nothing oh. Nothing. You know the Allahu Akbar they shout is part ot Catholic morning mass

And pastor who rape church members are what?

What does the Bible say about rape??

Dbegining:
Nothing oh. Nothing. You know the Allahu Akbar they shout is part ot Catholic morning mass

"Bandits are Islamic because they shout Allahu Akbar"
Ozuor

SisterAnn:
Too bad. It's what it is.

Too bad. You bias can't bend common sense

SisterAnn:
Because they are Muslims. They shout Allah akbooooooooom before taking down their target. The collect jizya or whatever you call it from those they don't bomb.

"Bandits are Islamic because they are muslims"

Ozuor x 10

sreamsense:
Good, first time you talk sense with no sympathy for Islamic bandits and terrorists. They should be sent yo go and get their 72 virgins of deceit

What is Islamic about bandits and terrorists?

Exousiang01:
Your you have brain ache?

Or you cannot see that it was the artist who was actually wrong?

The whites you try to copy respect their culture, America most of you try to copy has no culture. Go to Scandinavia and see them respect their Viking ways till date.
It's only Africans that think like you do.

The artist was told to stop performance he didn't listen....

Brain dey pain some of una

Who dey follow you copy whites? No be them give you man worshipping?

DarkJeddi:
First go ban your Oro and Eyo menace before you backyard Nit. wit.

Muslim dey do eyo, oro?

Backward culture/religion.

Lugard why??

Other countries are making break through in science, look at what this people are doing, dragging Nigeria backwards.

Tueeh

una no go blame her religion?

God knows the amount of unspeakable evils they committed on that island ,
Epstein was a mossad asset btw

esnbrutality:
Trump is one badass Mudafvka. When he said he would release it CNN , BBC,CBS,NYT etc etc thought he wouldn't do it.

They thought he was bluffing....now he has done it.

Obama is Next, with his Wife(a man known as Big Mike) Michelle Obama.

Gays, lesbians and paedophiles are strong members of the current democratic party leadership. Just like that useless French President called Macron that is married to his school teacher that is actually a man.

Serious Satanist are being exposed.

This is a warning to TINUBU. Trump is on your matter 100%.

God Bless Trump!!!!

You call that heavily redacted files a release?
Trump was even indicted in the Epstein brouhaha??

Lmao

dofman:
😀😀😀👍 nice one .

Thanks, please i made an update on the post

NB: the "morality" i mean in this post are the subjective human morality those islamophobes brought up against Islam, and i'm just exposing their inconsistencies and hypocricital natures.

Only Allah is the source of objective morality, not humans

RightChanneI:
Mukaila,

I think you get me right?

Too intelligent to understand your ramblings, youre not even making a point, i already gave you context, and you still come up with this incohorent response, emeka this isnt your biafra beer parlour arguments, go towards the end of this thread and see how i shredded your fellow islamophobic sadesterner, dont qoute me again. ozuor