budaatum:


Only ignorant fools read it literally. Your London rabbi must have taught you that so stop playing ignorant.

So what does it mean?

budaatum:


Only ignorant fools read it literally. Your London rabbi must have taught you that so stop playing ignorant.

I use to think you have sense, i guess i thought wrong..

In one mouth you talk about love and living in peace. And i said, the laws where meant for that purpose and also for us to have a meaningful and healthy life experience ...

In another breath you are talking about drinking blood and eating human flesh..

How do you reconcile paganism and following simple laws..

Nobody sent us to do that...

sonmvayina:


I use to think you have sense, i guess i thought wrong..

In one mouth you talk about love and living in peace. And i said, the laws where meant for that purpose and also for us to have a meaningful and healthy life experience ...

In another breath you are talking about drinking blood and eating human flesh..

How do you reconcile paganism and following simple laws..

Nobody sent us to do that...

And I repeat:

budaatum:

Only ignorant fools read it literally. Your London rabbi must have taught you that so stop playing ignorant.

McSquishi:


No one has changed the laws but they are written on our hearts and minds as the Old Testament said. Jeremiah 31:31 itself predicts a change that’s why it says the new covenant will be UNLIKE the old one.

His death was for the purpose of redemption. So that we are no longer under the laws and have an opportunity to know, understand, and love our creator on a personal level. the previous way had people depending on rabbis and priests to communicate with Yahweh on their behalf and it was not serving the purpose of true redemption.

Since you disregard the New Testament when convenient I suppose referring you to Matthew 24th chapter would be fruitless:

4Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Wars and strife must come to pass, Earth is not the final destination. A peaceful Earth wouldn’t even make sense as it wouldn’t encourage anyone to search for and depend on Yahweh, similar to how in the Old Testament the Israelites only called out for Yahweh when they were in bondage or peril.

The peace that Yahshua Messiah brought to us comes once we accept the sacrifice he made and acknowledge who he was, once we are filled with the holy spirit.

When did God say he needed a man to die for the sins of man?

When the jews wheresacrificing their sons to molech, what was his response to them ?

Where did you get that from?

Animal sacrifice was for unintentional sins.

All Godsaidhe wanted was a contrite heart. Confess and forsake, where did you get the human sacrifice thingy?

budaatum:


And I repeat:

How did you even go past primary six?

sonmvayina:


So what does it mean?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word became manifest through Christ living it, so that whosoever learns and understands what he taught in words and in action shall not perish too quickly and may be remembered long after they may have died

budaatum:


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word became manifest through Christ living it, so that whosoever learns and understands what he taught in words and in action shall not perish too quickly and may be remembered long after they may have died

Akpakpu....

Ass wipe....what does that mean?

budaatum:


Only ignorant fools read it literally. Your London rabbi must have taught you that so stop playing ignorant.

He is always willing to say parts of the old testament are metaphorical even though some conservative jews today would not agree with him. But he is ready to criticize all parts of the new testament that may also be metaphorical.
Isn't this what we call double standards?

sonmvayina:


How did you even go past primary six?

Easy. Though, in truth, my primary education stopped at five. You had to do common entrance to advance in my day, and by reading and learning and passing exams, I jumped from primary five to form one and so never had to spend the extra year doing six.

Are you one of those I left behind, son? It would explain your bitterness and inability to discuss without the insults.

GeneralDae:

He is always willing to say parts of the old testament are metaphorical even though some conservative jews today would not agree with him. But he is ready to criticize all parts of the new testament that may also be metaphorical.
Isn't this what we call double standards?

I call it ignorance of the highest kind that refuses to see its own stupidity and hypocrisy.

sonmvayina:


Akpakpu....

Ass wipe....what does that mean?

What does it mean for a donkey and snake to talk or for Jonah to stay in the belly of a fish for 3 days?

sonmvayina:


When did God say he needed a man to die for the sins of man?

When the jews wheresacrificing their sons to molech, what was his response to them ?

Where did you get that from?

Animal sacrifice was for unintentional sins.

All Godsaidhe wanted was a contrite heart. Confess and forsake, where did you get the human sacrifice thingy?

a human body, made of cursed earth, is not a worthy sacrifice. No physical man is able to redeem because due to Adam we are born in sin. a sacrifice has to be blemish free in order to have the sinner’s sins placed upon it. Yahshua’s body was specially prepared in the same way Adam’s was, making him the only body fit to redeem.

One such place in the Old Testament that mentions redemption through such a sacrifice is Isaiah chapter 53. The entire chapter describes someone taking on our sin and redeeming us, bringing us peace through his pain:

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an [/b]offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied


So you see, the idea of such a sacrifice is not foreign to the Bible at all. As I first told you, there is nothing Yahshua does that is at odds with the Old Testament. Everything done is in fulfillment of scripture.

sonmvayina:


When did God say he needed a man to die for the sins of man?

When the jews wheresacrificing their sons to molech, what was his response to them ?

Where did you get that from?

Animal sacrifice was for unintentional sins.

All Godsaidhe wanted was a contrite heart. Confess and forsake, where did you get the human sacrifice thingy?

a human body, made of cursed earth, is not a worthy sacrifice. No physical man is able to redeem because due to Adam we are born in sin. a sacrifice has to be blemish free in order to have the sinner’s sins placed upon it. Yahshua’s body was specially prepared in the same way Adam’s was, making him the only body fit to redeem.

One such place in the Old Testament that mentions redemption through such a sacrifice is Isaiah chapter 53. The entire chapter describes someone taking on our sin and redeeming us, bringing us peace through his pain:

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied


So you see, the idea of such a sacrifice is not foreign to the Bible at all. As I first told you, there is nothing Yahshua does that is at odds with the Old Testament. Everything done is in fulfillment of scripture.

McSquishi:


a human body, made of cursed earth, is not a worthy sacrifice. No [b]physical man is able to redeem because due to Adam we are born in sin. a sacrifice has to be blemish free in order to have the sinner’s sins placed [/b]upon it. Yahshua’s body was specially prepared in the same way Adam’s was, making him the only body fit to redeem.

One such place in the Old Testament that mentions redemption through such a sacrifice is Isaiah chapter 53. The entire chapter describes someone taking on our sin and redeeming us, bringing us peace through his pain:

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied


So you see, the idea of such a sacrifice is not foreign to the Bible at all. As I first told you, there is nothing Yahshua does that is at odds with the Old Testament. Everything done is in fulfillment of scripture.

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. Isaiah already told you in chapter 41:6-9 that the servant is israel. So get that.

Where did you get the bold from? Or is it just your opinion?

Man is God spirit+ dust of the earth. When man dies the spirit returns to God and the body returns to dust..

What needs to be redeemed??

GeneralDae:

What does it mean for a donkey and snake to talk or for Jonah to stay in the belly of a fish for 3 days?

Does a fables...they are stories just like jungle book or Aladin...watch them and learn the message in the story..

Snake symbolises or means "to charm" or beguile...

Donkey in the Balaam story. Donkey is a beast of burden. You have to read the whole story to know.

Jonah story is about God will coming to pass, nothing can stop it. No matter how man may have strong head..

sonmvayina:


Does a fables...they are stories just like jungle book or Aladin...watch them and learn the message in the story..

Snake symbolises or means "to charm" or beguile...

Donkey in the Balaam story. Donkey is a beast of burden. You have to read the whole story to know.

Jonah story is about God will coming to pass, nothing can stop it. No matter how man may have strong head..

So! You can learn from fables about donkeys and snakes and yet claim fables is prophecy that will come to pass but you can not learn from the fables of Jesus Christ and you want us to be convinced you are using your brain?

Try really hard son. Your fable may come to pass if your strong head tries really hard.

sonmvayina:


Does a fables...they are stories just like jungle book or Aladin...watch them and learn the message in the story..

Snake symbolises or means "to charm" or beguile...

Donkey in the Balaam story. Donkey is a beast of burden. You have to read the whole story to know.

Jonah story is about God will coming to pass, nothing can stop it. No matter how man may have strong head..

Ah sonmvayina, I think you are confused here.

Anyway Jesus called himself a bread because the ancestors of the Jews needed bread or manna to survive on their way to the promised land. Jesus already said man shall not live by physical bread alone but by the word of God.
So to eat jesus as bread is to understand the word of God spoken by Jesus, while to drink his blood is to accept the new covenant that arose due to his death just like the passover lamb was slain before the ancestors of the jews could be set free.

sonmvayina:


Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. Isaiah already told you in chapter 41:6-9 that the servant is israel. So get that.

Where did you get the bold from? Or is it just your opinion?

Man is God spirit+ dust of the earth. When man dies the spirit returns to God and the body returns to dust..

What needs to be redeemed??

I didn’t ask you to tell me what the chapter is about. You alleged that there was nothing to be found in the Bible, in the law and prophets, about human’s suffering for the sins of mankind, or human sacrificing themself as a type of offering. i showed you a chapter dedicated to that very thought. You can give context all you want but I told you previously that the Messiah s stated in the New Testament came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law and prophets. Isaiah chapter 53 is fulfilled by his ministry & death.

The part about being an offering for sin is in chapter 53 verse 10 as I noted with the “10” before that sentence.

So you don’t believe we have souls? You don’t believe man is threefold spirit/soul/body? Everything that is animated has the spirit of God but not every animated thing has a conscience and consciousness, that is the soul.

McSquishi:


I didn’t ask you to tell me what the chapter is about. You alleged that there was nothing to be found in the Bible, in the law and prophets, about human’s suffering for the sins of mankind, or human sacrificing themself as a type of offering. i showed you a chapter dedicated to that very thought. You can give context all you want but I told you previously that the Messiah s stated in the New Testament came to fulfill every jot and tittle of the law and prophets. Isaiah chapter 53 is fulfilled by his ministry & death.

The part about being an offering for sin is in chapter 53 verse 10 as I noted with the “10” before that sentence.

So you don’t believe we have souls? You don’t believe man is threefold spirit/soul/body? Everything that is animated has the spirit of God but not every animated thing has a conscience and consciousness, that is the soul.

Where does the soul comes from ?

budaatum:


So! You can learn from fables about donkeys and snakes and yet claim fables is prophecy that will come to pass but you can not learn from the fables of Jesus Christ and you want us to be convinced you are using your brain?

Try really hard son. Your fable may come to pass if your strong head tries really hard.

They are not real..jesus did not exist, the might be simething to learn from whst he said. But to call him son of God, and to worship him is idolatry...Death is just a point in life, does not mean anything to God. Whether 1 jesus died or 1000000 , it does not mean anything. No body is coming from the sky to rapture us, tbis life is 100% our responsibility....

Obey Gods laws and life will be smooth and peace will reign on earth. No worshipping of man as God...its idolatry..

sonmvayina:


They are not real..jesus did not exist, the might be simething to learn from whst he said. But to call him son of God, and to worship him is idolatry...Death is just a point in life, does not mean anything to God. Whether 1 jesus died or 1000000 , it does not mean anything. No body is coming from the sky to rapture us, tbis life is 100% our responsibility....

Obey Gods laws and life will be smooth and peace will reign on earth. No worshipping of man as God...its idolatry..

You clearly missed the word learn. Go on, read my responses again. You might see this time.

As for your "exist" as related to Gods in general, buda laughs.

sonmvayina:
I think i have finally proven beyond every reasonable doubt that jesus is just a roman invention and has got nothing to do with God or man. He was created as an insult against God. And to de
eive those with feable minds..

You are not sure about this. Therefore dont say what you don't know

sonmvayina:


They are not real..jesus did not exist, the might be simething to learn from whst he said. But to call him son of God, and to worship him is idolatry...Death is just a point in life, does not mean anything to God. Whether 1 jesus died or 1000000 , it does not mean anything. No body is coming from the sky to rapture us, tbis life is 100% our responsibility....

Obey Gods laws and life will be smooth and peace will reign on earth. No worshipping of man as God...its idolatry..

If your landlord had been a Greek Orthodox priest, you would be here claiming that orthodox Christianity and omenani are kin.

Gentlebuka:


You are not sure about this. Therefore dont say what you don't know

I am 10000% sure he was created in Nicea by the Greeks/Romans...

God is conciouseness, not a man or human being. The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.

If your landlord had been a Greek Orthodox priest, you would be here claiming that orthodox Christianity and omenani are kin.

True be told, there is really no evidence outside of the gospels that jesus was a historical figure...none.

My people perish for lack of knowledge..

sonmvayina:


I am 10000% sure he was created in Nicea by the Greeks/Romans...

God is conciouseness, not a man or human being. The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.

No yawa. That's your own belief

Buda's laughing style like Jewish IPOB!

budaatum:

As for your "exist" as related to Gods in general, buda laughs.

sonmvayina:


I am 10000% sure he was created in Nicea by the Greeks/Romans...

God is conciouseness, not a man or human being. The gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.

Can you help your fellow jesus mythicysts in the thread below?
In that thread, no one there seem to be able to back up their conspiracy theories about jesus being created by Romans
https://www.nairaland.com/5208931/why-didnt-eurocentrics-write-correct/1

MaxInDHouse:
Buda's laughing style like Jewish IPOB!

You are ignored because you senselessly intended to provoke instead of resisting evil.

sonmvayina:


I have checked, and cant find it...please can you state them here, for the benefit of me and others viewing this thread...Please.

That is a lot of work to dig through but you ought to have them in your posts!

I"ll check when I can!

McSquishi:



The reason you quoted “the letter kills, the spirit gives life” was to show me there is no need for them and it contradicts God’s commandments


No one is following anyone but Yahweh and the apostles do nothing but constantly point to doing just that? Have you read?

1 Corinthians 3:5-7

5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe--as the Lord has assigned to each his task.

6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow

7So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow


Are you aware even in the Old Testament that God chose men to lead and to deliver his message? so the apostles are doing nothing new by continuing to do that.

Those commandments you are referring to are now are now written in our hearts/minds, as Ezekiel 36:26 alludes to:

26...I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws

When God says he will put his spirit in us it means something other than life here because we all have the spirit of Yahweh that gives us breath and that was not enough to encourage the following of decrees and laws... it is referring to the Holy Spirit


That is the new covenant discussed in Jeremiah 31:31-34

...which I previously asked you if the old covenant was such a perfect law as you stated then why in the Old Testament did God say the day will come when he will make a new covenant with us unlike the one he made before?

��Is JESUS//Yeshua/Yahusha the NEW COVENANT foretold in Jeremiah 31?��

Let’s unpack it, shall we?���

�Jeremiah was a prophet whose message was against false piety and insincere worship�. He derided the Jews of his time for failure to trust in G-D. He spoke out against social injustice. This was in a time when many Jews actually were not observing the sabbath, were worshipping other gods, and were giving lip service to the Torah��. Not all, but many.
So after chapter upon chapter of threatening the Jews with what will happen if they do not change their ways, Jeremiah 31 is a message of renewal and hope. Let’s look at what he says is going to happen. ��

Remember, a chapter is an idea, a description of a series of close-knit events, all taking place at a given time. Not thousands of years apart, but within a few years or months of one another.

In Jeremiah 31, G-D says He loves Israel with an everlasting love - in other words��, He has not and will not ever stop loving Israel or abandon them��. They're all going to go up to the mountain and proclaim G-D to the nations. (has this happened yet? The everlasting love has. Have they all gone up to the mountain to proclaim G-D to the nations? Perhaps, if it is meant metaphorically.)

And then G-D says He will bring them from where they have been scattered - from the north country, the other parts of the world, sick and lame, old and young, etc. Did this happen when Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha was alive or died? � � Hardly. When Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha was alive, Jews were scattered all over the world�, and within a few decades of his death, almost all Jews remaining in Israel were forced to leave�. But G-D says that when this does happen when He brings the Jews in, they will walk a straight path of Torah☺️��, they will follow the ways of the commandments.

Jeremiah goes on to say that G-D will RANSOM Israel - this is the “salvation” that Christians and Messianics always point to��, but in Hebrew, and all throughout the Tanakh, ransom/salvation means literally to physically pull us out of danger. The jews will be ransomed from EXILE. Did G-D or Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha ransom them from exile in the first century?��No. The Romans exiled the Jewish people in the first century.����
What will happen when they are ransomed? The language of Jeremiah is gorgeous�: “And they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow unto the goodness of the L-RD, to the corn, and to the wine, and to the oil, and to the young of the flock and of the herd; and their soul shall be as a watered garden, and they shall not pine any more at all.” (Did this happen in the first century?�� No. They wept as they were exiled, some sold into slavery, by Rome�).
And what else will happen? People will sing, and dance��‍♀️, turning grieving into joy�‍♀️, and the priests will be “satiated with fatness”, meaning the sacrificial system will be resumed, and they will have a lot to do and to eat. Did this happen in the first century?��� No, it did not. Within decades of Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha’s death, the temple and the sacrificial system were destroyed, and people starved.����
So G-D says look, the time is coming when all bad things will turn good��. I will watch over my people��, and I will regenerate them��. AND, and this is important, at this time, everyone will be responsible for their own sins ���������. Children will not suffer because of their parents’ sins����, but everyone will bear his or her own���. Wait, WHAT? But don’t Christians say that Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha takes on everyone’s sins and bears them for us?��� Then this passage cannot be about Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha �‍♀️��‍♂️. Simply cannot. God. Does. Not. Lie.��‍♀️
Now we get to the new covenant. G-D is going to make a new covenant, a covenant like the old one except for its format. Now it is going to become ingrained in their hearts ❤️���. What is He talking about? Remember above, I told you what Jeremiah’s mission was�‍♀️. To warn the People of Israel about their false worship, their giving lip service only to the Torah��. Well NOW, they will take on the Torah as more than a document. They will know it, study it, live it. Sincerely and honestly.
Ok, that’s not Jesus?Yahusha/Yeshua�‍♀️��‍♂️�‍♀️��‍♂️. The new covenant is definitely NOT Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha���‍♀. And there’s more: Because what G-D says at this point is that once the NEW COVENANT is in place, and they are living, breathing, loving the Torah, following the commandments, THEN HE IS GOING TO FORGIVE THEIR SINS AND THEIR SINS WILL BE NO MORE. So once a person repents and assumes responsibility for the commandments, G-D forgives him. Each of us. Responsible for ourselves. No Jesus���‍♀. No requirement of faith, but of action. The action of living the Torah�.

So we’ve established the following:
None of the events in Jeremiah 31 relating to the coming of the New Covenant happened in Jesus/Yahusha/Yeshua's time or in the decades thereafter. Chapter 31 is not about Jesus/Yahusha/Yeshua.���‍♀���‍♀
In the New Covenant, the nation of Israel will return to G-D with sincerity and follow Torah�‍♀️. We will each be responsible for our own actions�. And when we return to Eloh-m, He will forgive our sins�������. That is true. It has always been true. There is no requirement of faith in anyone in order for this to happen. The requirement is of action�, of changing behavior�. Not believing in Jesus, not accepting any messiah. But of changing the way we live.�

(Special thanks to Sara Finegan for her orig awaking post��)