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hoopernikao:
Read your statement below.

You could easily have made it easy for yourself by just being honest JUDGEMENT
spiritual pride will not kill you JUDGEMENT
already have all it takes to be a fine politician. JUDGEMENT


I choose to point to your straws above since you claimed you are being judged.
You could see that the reason you complained of being judged, felt unease and started throwing straws was because you are full of judgement.

AMEN
I tried to big the Amen o but e no gree big...

Myer:
the works a Christian faith produces are love and spiritual gifts.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said those that believe in him will do GREATER WORKS! John 14:12

Definitely Jesus doesn't mean spiritual gifts (miracles) when he utter this statement because there has never been any of Jesus' disciples who performed any miracle worth tenth of what Jesus did!

What about LOVE?

Well Jesus preached, taught, prayed even rebuked his imperfect disciples and until his death there was little or no LOVE binding this people as one because they always argue and strive for superiority amongst themselves even when he is with them! Luke 22:24-27

But today Jesus' true followers (JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are numbering in millions, his first 12 friends were all Jews yet it was so difficult for Jesus to make love unite them during his lifetime but today they're from all over the earth, they have settled not just selfishness or nepotistic ambitions that was dividing Jesus' followers while he was with them but broken all racial boundaries to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

YES! Jesus' true followers today have done the greatest work that Jesus himself could only foresee but never achieved in his lifetime!

Myer:
But did they perform miracles? Yes.
If you claim the works he was referring to love, are you saying any of his disciples showed more love than Christ? The one who laid down his life for the world?
While Love is the ultimate, there's no denying the part spiritual gifts play in the faith and in living a victorious Christian life.
Otherwise you call God a liar if you deny the importance of spiritual gifts.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus did God's work not his own personal work {John 4:34} so we are talking about the produce of that work. Jesus emphasized on the primary aim of God's work when he said it's all about loving God and neighbours! Matthew 22:37-40
Jesus did this work physically while he was on earth but hardly could he make LOVE reign among his faithful disciples because even his closest confidants keep striving among themselves for superiority and these are the ones the other hundreds are looking onto as Apostles!
Jesus now said those who truly believe in him will do GREATER WORKS than what he did, i am telling you authoritatively that he was referring to the WORK emphasized @ Matthew 22:37-40.
During his lifetime there was little or no love amongst his disciples but after God's Holy Spirit started working with them this love began growing and today Jesus' true followers JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES has done what Jesus himself could only foresee but was unable to achieve while he was here. The LOVE for God and neighbours has united well over 8,700,000 people from different geographical locations and races on this planet!
If you're talking about God's WORK think about Matthew 22:37-40, Jesus said on this two commandments all the laws and prophets (both the miracle performing prophets and none miracle performing prophets) hangs!
So God's WORK that Jesus did was primarily the same as all those prophets to instill LOVE for God and neighbours in the minds of worshipers, there's no value in miracles when LOVE, JOY and PEACE can't be found amongst people claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
That's the TRUTH Sir!

Myer:
Are you saying the Spiritual gifts are not important?

The only reason I believe JW don't believe in spiritual gifts is cos honestly it is difficult to find those who manifest these spiritual gifts even though the bible claims it is the gift of God to all men. Acts 2:39.

But that doesn't mean you should interpret the bible to suit your own experiences. What the bible says can not be denied.

Myer:
Are you saying the Spiritual gifts are not important?

The only reason I believe JW don't believe in spiritual gifts is cos honestly it is difficult to find those who manifest these spiritual gifts even though the bible claims it is the gift of God to all men. Acts 2:39.

But that doesn't mean you should interpret the bible to suit your own experiences. What the bible says can not be denied.

Janosky:
Bros, If you received this gift of holy spirit, John 13:35 is the evidence , according to Jesus Christ.
Worldwide JWs are known to practice Jesus command of John13:35 and Galatians 6:14
Read the disclosures (Screenshots) of the activities of your fellow "spirit filled believers" who manifest the"gifts of the spirit" with your fellow "spirit filled believers"

Myer:
Are you saying the Spiritual gifts are not important?
The only reason I believe JW don't believe in spiritual gifts is cos honestly[b] it is difficult to find those who manifest these spiritual gifts even though the bible claims it is the gift of God to all men. [/b]Acts 2:39.
But that doesn't mean you should interpret the bible to suit your own experiences. What the bible says can not be denied.

Myer:
Well, you're the one who professes to be like Christ, so you are not supposed to judge even if others do.

The only reason I said you were judgmental was simply cos you already concluded that I had not read the bible but reading it haphazardly.

Virtually every form of assertion can be attributed to judgment. But what makes it worse for Christians is that while Jesus clearly said do not judge for you will be judged, the bible also by itself already judged any one who does not believe in Jesus Christ as condemned already.

So as a Christian you can't help but judge non-Christians.

Also the worst is some Christians even judge other Christians that do not believe the same doctrines as they do. Which is why I said the very fact that you're a religious Christian makes you judgmental.

Anyway, I will no longer bother you concerning your spiritual gifts as it's obvious they are non-existent.
Even if you do not want to speak of your testimonies, others on your posts would have mentioned it having experienced divine healing or any other form of divine power through your posts. Apparently that's not the case.

You can try to deny it all you want but what is supposed to differentiate a Christian from just another religion are the spiritual gifts and fruit. Because every other religion has faith in their God or gods.

But the works a Christian faith produces are love and spiritual gifts.

hoopernikao:
Bro, you are the one judging yourself. Your conscience is in a race with you and catching up with you. I don't have to be the judge. Right inside you is the jury and the judge, you will do well to pay attention to it early enough before the cup gets full.

Myer:
Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise. Below are some examples;

1.God is one and there's no one else beside him.

2. There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one

3. Faith is the most important thing.

4. Works are the most important.

5. Love is the most important.

6. Tithing is for Jews. For a Christian, giving is as he cheerfully wills.

7. Jesus is God.

8. Every Christian should speak in tongues.

9. Once saved is forever saved.

10. Grace abolishes the Law.

11. Grace is without works/Grace is with works.

12. There is sin in heaven.

Janosky:
2. Spurious, a forgery inserted into KJV, by Erasmus. "Johannine Comma" pls Find out.

3 & 4,12. Jesus did both. John 9:4. 4:34. Hebrews 5:7.

7-9,12 very FALSE.
7. From the horse's mouth- John 20:17. Rev 3:12.
8.. 1 Corinthians 13:8. John 13:35.
9.. Matthew 24:13.
10, Jesus ransom sacrifice abolish the Law.
Galatians chapter 3:13...

12.. "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven," Matthew 6:9-10 is clear enough,No sin in heaven.

Kobojunkie:
I can attest to what Jesus Christ said of some of what Paul calls "gifts" being real and they are only obtained by those who accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ, just as He, Jesus Christ said.

It is difficult to find those who manifest what Jesus Christ said would be so among His followers because the vast majority of those who claim to belong to Him, are in fact steeped instead in the doctrines and traditions of men and not in the Truth of Jesus Christ.

Myer:
If 12 is false then how did Lucifer who was described as perfect fall from Grace while he was yet in heaven?
How was he along with other angels able to war against God.

Janosky:
Bros Satan sinned on earth when he DECEIVED Eve, because of covetousness.
That's his fall from grace.

Other angels sinned on earth when they married daughters of men.

Job 1:6, 2:1-2, Satan says he's roving to & fro across the earth.

He's a gatecrasher,driven out of heaven forever, Revelation 12:7-9

Myer:
According to the Bible it was the serpeant that tempted Eve. Satan wasn't mentioned.
Clearly an evil spirit must have entered the serpeant but Satan was not mentioned. It can only be speculated.

The Bible is not so detailed on how Satan fell from Grace. Except that iniquity was found in him.
And war broke out in heaven and he and his angels were cast out from heaven to earth.

Revelatioms 12:7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [hem in heaven any longer.
So the great dragon was cast out, (D)that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So from Rev 12:7-9 clearly his fall from grace was as a result of his sin and war in heaven not on earth.
If war can break out in heaven is sin then not in heaven?

Sin means disobedience or offense to God.
Warring against God would definitely be on top of the list of sins.

So with this few points of mine, clearly there is still sin in heaven.

Janosky:
Chapter 12 verse 9 is a Revelation Why would sin exist in heaven when the spirit entity , Satan, who brought sin was cast out of heaven? .

Janosky:
There is a reason why the last book of your Bible is called Revelation,
Chapter 12 verse 9 is a Revelation of the identity of the serpent of Genesis 3:15..
"That serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world";
Please compare 1 John 5:19.
Genesis 3:15, Bros, do you not know "the son of the woman"?

Why would sin exist in heaven when the spirit entity , Satan, who brought sin was cast out of heaven? .
When you the landlord chases away a thief who attempted to break into your house, will the thief still be in your house?

Myer:
Whether the serpent was snake that was possessed or Satan himself is debatable.

The Quran's account of the creation story makes it obvious Satan was not the serpent.
The Bible also referred to the serpent as cattle/beast not an angel which Satan/Lucifer was before his fall.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Genesis 3:14-15: So the Lord God said to the serpent:
Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And (O)you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.

The point here before the digression to whether Satan is Serpent or not is that

Sin is not Satan
Sin is disobedience to God.
Casting out Satan and his angels to earth does not stop sin in heaven. It stopped the war that broke out in heaven.

You can still be in heaven and be disobedient to God.
Just the same way Lucifer/Satan sinned while in heaven.

Janosky:
See this Bros DECEIVING himself !
Why do you misquote Genesis 3:1,14-15?
Does a mere snake speak any language understood by Adam and Eve?
The cartoon characters wey you dey see for your television Screen, na them dey speak to you?
Bros, grow up !!

This LIENUS FALSELY claims JWs turn Bible upside down while he dey here telling Nairalanders that sin is still going on in heaven.
Your deity can allow sinners to dwell with him & continue sinning like himself,no wahala.

Your deity who loves sin is NOT the true God of the Bible, Jehovah.

Myer:
Whether the serpent was snake that was possessed or Satan himself is debatable.

The Quran's account of the creation story makes it obvious Satan was not the serpent.
The Bible also referred to the serpent as cattle/beast not an angel which Satan/Lucifer was before his fall.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.

Genesis 3:14-15: So the Lord God said to the serpent:
Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And (O)you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.

The point here before the digression to whether Satan is Serpent or not is that

Sin is not Satan
Sin is disobedience to God.
Casting out Satan and his angels to earth does not stop sin in heaven. It stopped the war that broke out in heaven.

You can still be in heaven and be disobedient to God.
Just the same way Lucifer/Satan sinned while in heaven.

Myer:
Lol a serpent can speak but a snake can't speak?
Your confusion is not only the Bible but clearly basic English.

Serpent simply means snake.

About sin being possible in heaven.
Your idea of sin once again is what's confusing you.

Sin is not just fornication or drunkenness or killing, etc.
Sin is simply disobedience and offense to God.

The angels warring against God in heaven was clearly a sin. Do the math, sin can still exist in heaven.

Just saying.

Even though your Bible says Satan is the original serpent misleading the world and he started misleading the world, first with Eve, you still dey yarn GIBBERISH

Janosky:
According to your Bible, Revelation 12:7-9,How can sin exist in heaven when Satan and the rebellious angels have driven out?

How can England be in the 2018 World Cup final when they were driven out of the semifinal by Croatia?

Even though your Bible says Satan is the original serpent misleading the world and he started misleading the world, first with Eve, you still dey yarn GIBBERISH