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Kobojunkie:
I brought forth a case to be studied, including questions to be considered(no facts) yet you are quick to conclude that facts are too weak, making me worry whether you know what a fact is in this case?

Kobojunkie:
I never said anything about evidence being based on perception. There is tons of data out there today showing that indeed Religion poses a real problem to society.

Pecuman:
No it didn't, if anything Christianity allowed science to progress faster. Basically from the period of Rome's ascendence onwards, Greece science and philosophy had ground to a halt, almost everything from then on was scale up of what already existed. Like can you even name one great philosopher of natural philosophy of the period of Rome's rise?

And Christianity wasn't a Global phenomena, so why, oh why is that if christianity held back science it wasn't out paced by non-christian and non-institutional religion areas like China or India (among many others).

It didn't hold back women's rights, like do you want to compare women's rights in Rome, Athens influneced Greece or the Islamic world to Europe? Like the Christian world have several Women Emperors and Kings, whether Isabella of Spain, Irene of the Eastern Roman Empire or Æthelflad of Mercia. Can you mention any equivalent from the Classical or Ancient Era from the same regions that Christianity became ascendant in?

Fine Christians did and still do hold back Gay rights, but the acceptance of Gays and other LGBT+ is oft exaggerated and they were either not tolerated or integrated into society in ways that would be considered "homophobic" today.

Human beings exist for more than just being fuel to the economy, thank you.

I mean, yes but not really for being scientists. Heretics came from all walks of life and while I am not defending the practice, again, Heretics came from all works of life. You could write that "Christians persecuted Farmers in the middle ages" and you would be right.

Like Copernicus the guy that popularized heliocentrism worked for the church, Galileo was something of a braggard that also challenged the priesthood on theologically touchy subjects.

And hey maybe near enlightenment era Christian advancements isn't what you were referring to, then what of during the dark ages, when under the Orthodox Christian Eastern Roman Empire, John the Grammarian, a church man who discovered works on impetus, a break through in physics that would later become a basis for Galileo's works. Or the philosophy of Thomas Aquinas grounding the basic assumption of modern science that the world is fundamentally rational.

And if scientific advancement isn't enough for you, what about the various technological advancements like the wheel and axel, horse shoes, heavy plows, water wheels, arch and glass supported cartedrals, etc.

And if European advancement isn't enough for you, what about the works of Zara Yakob, a Christian philosopher whose Christian philosophy is considered the beginning of Sub-Saharan African philosophy?.

So, no Christianity didn't cause a dint in the rate of scientific and technological progress.

Pecuman:
Asia was probably less religious in the past (or at least just as) given the nature of Dharmic religions of confucianism and if religion hindered the West, then why did the arguably more fanatically religious Western Christians rise to dominion and the even more fanatically religious sub-section of that (USA) rise to the world stage.

Atheism is the ideology of a civilization at the end of its rise, whether Qin China or Late Antiquity Greece. Only this time around it is more wide spread than just among the elites

Sibrah:
How did religion hold back science?

Standing5:
Maybe other religions though. Christianity isn't applicable to the above. Virtually all top scientist are Christians.

Logic007:
I'm very sorry for the late reply. I am also sorry to tell you that what you wrote is verbose bias from christian indoctrination

The simple fact is that Galileo was persecuted by the church

Copernicus's died before his book was publish and so, he faced no persecution from the church. His book was banned though.

Christianity and science/technology have never been friends

Logic007:
FALSE.

Most scientists today are atheists.

Logic007:


So you think that the old religions of Buddhism and Hinduism did not exist in the past or what?

Logic007:
I am.

Christianity held back science. Held back women. Held back gay rights.

Women and gays are human beings that still contribute to the economy.

Did Christianity not persecute scientists back in the early ages?

Pecuman:
Buddhism is a religion that isn't necessarily as religious as Christianity. It is much more of a philosophy in my opinion while Christianity is more of a Theology.

Like you can literally be an Atheist and Buddhist or not believe in like 99.9% of the supernatural (including the soul) mad be buddhist.

As for Hinduism it is more the exception to the rule in my opinion but even then it is still much less rigid than Christianity, again, Hindu thinkers that can be considered Atheists have existed since ancient times and there isn't nearly as much of a bother about Orthodoxy as among the Abrahamic religions.

Pecuman:
Only today but not for most of the history of the profession

Image123:
Interesting. Explain how christianity holds back science or women. Gays have nothing to do with pros[erity, poverty or world economies and development. Maintain focus.

Logic007:
All im seeing from you is Christian bias.

Logic007:
Explain why scientists today are atheists.

Back in the day, Christianity and the church were powerful.

Logic007:

Logic007:
Explain why scientists today are atheists.

Back in the day, Christianity and the church were powerful.

Image123:
Do you have a credible percentage or data for this? There are scientists, doctors, engineers, professionals, professors, astronauts, and other powerful and intelligent all over the world who are religious or you are not aware?

Image123:
Do you have a credible percentage or data for this? There are scientists, doctors, engineers, professionals, professors, astronauts, and other powerful and intelligent all over the world who are religious or you are not aware?

Image123:
What part of the question is not clear?

Pecuman:
Because secularism got popular in the Protestant revolution as a solution to Europe's wars of religion and the West still remains the bastion of scientific progress today.

Move outside the Western and Secularized world an the to scientists there aren't Atheist.

People really, underestimate the global cultural influnece of the West sometimes.

Logic007:
Scientists are atheists nowadays because science cannot prove God and secondly, faith requires you to believe in things that have no proof.

Logic007:
Scientists are atheists nowadays because science cannot prove God and secondly, faith requires you to believe in things that have no proof.

Logic007:
Lol...Majority of scientists in America are atheists or agnostics

It would be the same for most European countries.in fact even in religious counties, scientists tend to be less religious than the population.

Logic007:
The question was already answered.

-persecution of scientists in the past
-anti scientific miracles in the bible

Pecuman:
While it was long ago, I hear that only something like 1/7 top scientists today are Christians. Given the Bias of Top scientists coming from the just of recent very Christian West, it is alarming somewhat.

Logic007:
Lol...Majority of scientists in America are atheists or agnostics

It would be the same for most European countries.in fact even in religious counties, scientists tend to be less religious than the population.

Logic007:
The question was already answered.

-persecution of scientists in the past
-anti scientific miracles in the bible

Image123:
"Persecution" of scientists is not christian. Humans doing things does not make them christian if such things are not done in or commanded by the Bible.
There is nothing like anti scientific miracle. Miracles are supernatural, science is natural. They are two different planes, not anti.

Image123:
Would be, tend to are not facts but opinions. Is your boss religious or not?

Pecuman:
- Heretics were persecuted not scientists. Sometimes those heretics were scientists, most times those heretics were farmers, some other times those heretics were bankers, etc.

- Isn't that the point of a Miracles, an even that can shun already established laws? Like what is a miracle to you if not something than can ignore physical laws?

Logic007:
I'm very sorry for the late reply. I am also sorry to tell you that what you wrote is verbose bias from christian indoctrination

The simple fact is that Galileo was persecuted by the church

Copernicus's died before his book was publish and so, he faced no persecution from the church. His book was banned though.

Christianity and science/technology have never been friends