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The Wisdom Of Atheism. by HealerH: 1:38am On Apr 03, 2021
Lol.
Don't mind that headline. My 5th name is Sarcasm.

So I'm creating this trade to expose the confusion and irrationality in atheism.

Mind you, I'm a lover of humans. I try my best to show humans the way... It's my way of healing the world. As a lover of humans, I'm not an enemy of atheists because I suppose they're humans. I'm only trying to show them the way for I see them like my little brethren that need to be educated.

Am I sounding too arrogant? Per favore. Atheism is a failed quest to discover God through critical reasoning. I discovered God through critical reasoning. Why I no go boast? You don't expect me to go around fire and not sweat.

So this is how I'll develop this post. I'll be updating it regularly with my new findings on atheism.

The absurdity in Atheism.


Atheist 1. : I don't believe all these fables about God. If God exists, he should talk to me directly about himself. Then I'll believe.

The Healer: This is normal. It's natural for man to experience something before believing in it. But man MUST not experience everything. It's not even a question of "Can or cannot, may or may not". No. It's a MUST. You must not experience all. Did you experience the Big Bang? Did you experience your mom giving birth to you (No human on earth has an EXPERIMENTAL proof that their mother gave birth to them. Don't even bring in DNA testing here because it's never experimental. A doctor going into the laboratory with your blood sample and coming out to tell you whatsoever about your parental roots is exactly the same thing like a priest coming down from the alter to tell you God exist. The two informations are second-hand knowledge to you. Since you rejected the priest's information because you didn't make the experience of God yourself, be smart enough to reject the doctor's information. The person you call your father and the one you call your mother are possibly not your parents. The only reason you call them your parents is FAITH. You BELIEVED. Now you reject it when it comes to God but accept it when it's about your parents. Wise fellow. Make you no die of too much wisdom o.



Atheist 2 : If God exists, why does evil exist?

The Healer: You see, I typed a very beautiful reply on this second question but after a 4th thought, I deleted it and decided to use another form of wisdom to answer the question. You know why I deleted the first reply? Because I used an Islamic philosophy about God and Evil. It's a very beautiful philosophy but I don't know how my Muslim brothers will react to it. Plus Pope Benedict has once evoked that philosophy at Regensburg University, Germany on the 12th of September 2006 and his speech on the philosophy was misunderstood. Actually, many Christians were killed in Muslim countries after the Pope's speech. I don't want my Christian brothers on Nairaland being killed because of someone's incapacity to understand my text. Well, let's go back to the topic.

God and Evil? Who told you evil exist? And how did the person define "evil" for you?
Normally, I should have an atheist reply my questions so I can show him the way through the reply he would give me. But I'll reply to the questions on their behalf them. I know say my reply will be so kush they will be wishing I become one of them. No atheist on Nairaland can give a wiser reply.

Of course Evil exist. People have stolen from me, I've lost a friend to terrorism, there are many more evils I can list but let's save the list.
Awon Athee, na this kind thing you dey call evil? How does it concern God. Lol.
God is a perfect Being and he created a perfect world. If you're seeing imperfections (evils) in the creation of God, join the line and collect your corrector-glasses.
See, the only evil in this world is the one created by man. God didn't create them, man did. And asking God to eradicate it is asking God to make you a Simulation... that kind animated pseudo-humans in games (Eg PES, FIFA, Sim City, etc). Those players you control with your pad in video games don't have any freedom of their own. You're their God, their Alpha and their Omega. God is not a game player. He's serious. He made use in his image so we're just as free as he is. Now blaming him for the abuse you make of your liberty is cowardice. Be responsible for your actions.

Atheist: Bu, bu, but God created me. So as a handiwork of God, whatever comes out of me, evil or bad, has their origin in God.

Yeah friend. God created you. But he created you in a particular way, and you should remain that way. Go look into the eyes of a six-month old baby. You'll see nothing but Good. That's how God created you and that's how you should be. That's the human factory settings. We learnt evil.

Now there's a second definition of evil I normally should ignore but I fear most atheists here are not intelligent enough to know it's a false definition of evil. It's the "natural evil". The one I just discussed is the human evil.
The natural evil is actually not evil. It is the anthropocentrism of existence that made people call it Evil. Something like Earthquake, Tornado, Storm, Tsunami, Flood. These things are called evil because they make man feel uncomfortable. As if this world was made for man and man alone. Man doesn't say rain, sunshine or oxygen is evil. Yet some beings die of these things. There are living beings that would die if exposed to oxygen. But since these beings aren't men, oxygen is not evil. That's how man reason. To see that these natural phenomena man calls evil are not evil, try to see the world from the perspective of God. That's actually why I told you to join the line and collect your lenses. From the perspective of God, you won't see only the Flood, you'll see the deserts too, you won't only see the Earthquakes, you'll see the Alps too. You'll see the entire world as one harmonious being. From the perspective of God, human rationality has it's limit. The only thing God sees in his creation is Good, no evil. Trying to form intelligent and rational by saying evil exist whereas you haven't seen the entire universe as a unique being is an insult, not even to God, but to scientists who pass months deep down the oceans of the earth contemplating the uniformity of the planet and to astronauts out their in the space contemplating the planet as one unique entity.

The thrid definition of evil (which itself is a false definition of evil) is corporal evil. It relates in some way to the second definition of evil. In this third evil, I'll be using the word "Bad" as a synonym of "Evil" for grammatical reasons. (You'll accept with me that it's more grammatically correct to say someone has a bad tooth than say the person has an evil tooth).

So you realise skin bleaching exists in Africa? Yeah. Because some people have been made to think that fair skin is Good and a dark skin is Bad (evil). I don't need to waste my time explaining that this is a wrong definition of evil nourished by ignorance. Yet I know at least 10% of you reading my text bleach your skins.
Know this: Whatever you are born into is not evil. Whatever you are born with is not evil. Are you born blind, you're not evil neither is the blindness evil/bad. The question is, "are you a human being?" Must someone have eyes to be a human being? When talking about corporal evils, try to differentiate "what you have" from "what you are".

Atheist 3: Imagine Pastor John has 5 private jets; Pastot Judas has 8; Pastor Zacharia even bought a Lamborghini for a sex worker. This people can't be men of God. So God don't exist.

The Healer: Lol.
This reasoning is so absurd that I don't want to say atheists use it. The intelligent atheists I know never use it. Na only wannabe atheists dey use am.
Lemme caricature the reasoning to reveal it's absurdity.
It's like saying : "Obi got a new bicycle, Ada got new rackets, even Nneka got a pair of shoes, how can their mom buy them such things? So my mom don't exist."

There's a difference between "a God" and "God". A God is a particular religion's (or a particular person's) experience of God. God is what He is independently of any religion or opinion.
Christianity's experience of God is resumed in the Incarnation.
(Wow. What a holy coincidence I'm typing this on a Holy Saturday... The day inbetween Good Friday and Easter Sunday. These three days resume Christianity)
In the Christian experience of God, God REVEALED Himself to be one of us. In Islam and Judaism, God don't have anything to do with the human nature. These are people's experiences of God. Even traditionalists have their experience of God that is very similar to the Christian experience of incarnation. The traditionalists believe God has something humane in him. That's why they believed he can be made to LIVE with man and that the departed souls of the saints are close to the Him. And I'll tell you this truth, whereas I discovered God by His grace in me and also through my extraterrestrial reflection on his creation, our forefathers (the traditionalists) discovered God through personal experiences and that's why each person had her "Chi" (Igbo). They didn't even do the heavy studies I did before knowing God. And unlike the atheists of today, the traditionalists don't deny the existence of their personal Gods just because someone else's God tells them to do evil.
So, you shouldn't base your take on the existence of God on someone else's opinion of God.


Atheist 4: Buddhists claim their God is the only true God, Christianity claims her God is the only true God, Islam claims the same thing. In fact every religion claims its God is the only true God. Yet, there's no uniqueness in what these Religions exhibit. They even seem to contradict themselves. The one true God can never inspire such chaos and religious contradictions. So God doesn't exist.

The Healer: Just negodu reflection a self-acclaimed rational being na-eme. Just look at. Tufiakwa. I tell you. Common sense is not common.

I'll reproduce this reasoning to expose it's absurdity. I'm going to use simple logic.
Imagine you have never seen a mobile phone before. You hear people say they use it but none of them accepts to show you what the phone looks like and how it functions.
You meet the CEO of Apple phones and he tells you his brand is the best, the CEO of Samsung tells you the same thing and all other brand claims the same. Yet they refuse to let you have an experience of their products. Is this a RATIONAL reason to claim that mobile phones don't exist?
My apology to the true atheists of the world. I know presenting this reasoning as an apology of atheism is an insult to their intelligence. I've studied the philosophy of the greatest atheists to ever live on earth and none of them identified himself with this reasoning.
I didn't want to present this reasoning as an atheistic apology but I saw this reasoning in the comment section of my post. So I decided to shed my wisdom on it.
This reflection is a lazy man's excuse for not believing in God. The person was sent into a laboratory to perform a chemical test. He didn't touch any of the specimens given to him. He asked the person at his left the result of his experiment. The person said 2CaCl²O (Don't waste your time ascertaining if the chemical equations I use exist). He asked the person at his right what he got and he said Cl2CaO². He asked two more persons and they gave different answers. Then he concluded that the correct chemical result doesn't exist. He's too dumb to know that all the participants at this experiment were not given the same specimens.

Another absurdity in this reflection is the fact that the low-budget atheist has zero sense of syllogism. This is how a syllogism goes.
1st premise : All men are mortal
2nd premise : A stone is not a man
Conclusion : A stone is not mortal.

This is what the low-budget atheist did.
1st premise : God cannot exist as a self-contradictory being.
2nd premise : Religions contradict themselves.
Conclusion : God doesn't exist.

The conclusion of a simple syllogism is determined by the second premise. And this second premise must have a reference to the first premise. Check the syllogism of the ajikpako of an athee and see if he observed the norm.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 1:42am On Apr 03, 2021
Make i park my seat here cheesy
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by HealerH: 3:07am On Apr 03, 2021
If you have atheistic questions or apologies you would want me to reply to, post them here please.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by judgementyard(m): 3:16am On Apr 03, 2021
make I follow park well.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by rex444(m): 3:49am On Apr 03, 2021
Very insightful
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Flamez01: 3:50am On Apr 03, 2021
Eleyi nto werey loyan ni sha. People will just be looking for unnecessary trouble. Lover of humans my foot.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Nobody: 5:05am On Apr 03, 2021
Trash trash trash.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by senchibi: 5:42am On Apr 03, 2021
KillGod:
Trash trash trash.
This is a thread for people with objective mind. I'm not for. Am not against. But I got dissapointed when I read your reply. Nawa ooo. Why not make a constructive counter argument or just keep your mouth shut and go to threads about Nigerian movies and Tonto dike

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by MAKEOUTHlLL: 6:27am On Apr 03, 2021
in the the Nigerian theological space;

religious skepticism has been grossly misrepresented or regarded as atheism.
there is a significant difference.

religious skepticism question religious authority and are not necessarily anti-religious but skeptical of specific or all religious beliefs and/or practices.

although, majority of skeptics are agnostics and atheists, but there are also a number of religious people that are skeptical of religion.

with this in mind, skepticism is a part of atheism, but it isn't meant to define the nature of atheism.

IMO, most skeptics are individuals who have a personal vendetta against the religion; also, most skeptics are usually new "converts" into atheism just eager to voice out their new found perspective on the subject of religion grin

in it's truest form, atheism has nothing to do with criticizing and questioning religious beliefs;
can you really be free from the shackles of religion if you're still obsessed with disproving it?
hell no! you're in the same mental prison, just in a different cell.

that's why I feel most skeptics haven't achieved true atheism which is the total detachment from all religious matters.

a brief description of true atheism would be our "belief" in Santa Claus grin

do I believe a jolly, slightly obese Caucasian man wearing a red coat and has some Game of Thrones type of beard is going to crawl down my chimney to leave me presents on Dec 25th?
hell no!


but do I spend precious seconds of my life trying to disprove his existence?
nope!

because I know he's not real,
he's just a character invented by society.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by MrColdsweat: 6:56am On Apr 03, 2021
Why do you waste your time engaging the foolishness of atheists?

The human reasoning is incapable of completely grasping the infinite. We can only make assumptions and conjectures at infinity. We are also incapable of visualizing beyond the 3-dimensional plane. Certainly, this proves that the human reasoning is very limited.

What about their tools; science and philosophy? Not only are they mental fabrications of the limited human brain, they have their own limitations. Kurt Gödel already showed us the inconsistency of our mathematical system. Our scientific methodology which insists on human observation and experiment is another limitation on its own. Our whole field of science could be wrong and a waste of time.
Wittgenstein already showed us the fundamental problem of philosophy as LANGUAGE. Our problems with metaphysical concepts is lack of proper definition. We struggle with concepts like Good, bad, God because we do not have Concrete definitions for them. It is from definition we logically infer.

Now what do we call people who try to use their limited reasoning and tools to generalize on an abstract being which is acclaimed to possess infinite knowledge and energy?

That's like trying to measure air with a ruler.

Fools!!

Fools because they are not aware of their own mental insufficiency.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Nobody: 6:58am On Apr 03, 2021
senchibi:

This is a thread for people with objective mind. I'm not for. Am not against. But I got dissapointed when I read your reply. Nawa ooo. Why not make a constructive counter argument or just keep your mouth shut and go to threads about Nigerian movies and Tonto dike

Trash trash trash
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by gbami(m): 7:18am On Apr 03, 2021
Before the introduction of foreign religions to Africa, Africans were " Notoriously" religious. Religion has always been parts and parcels of our cultures and traditions.
https://africhistory.com/religion-through-the-lens-of-my-oppressors/

Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by IQvectors: 8:34am On Apr 03, 2021
i never really knew what athiesm is all about but it seems they are non believers of God
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by SporaD8: 9:08am On Apr 03, 2021
You deserves a medal!

Actually what is religion but a finite attempt at defining an infinite God.
@bolded, Some concept, idea, and philosophy just don't have material essence(Do not exist in our dimensions) How do u now prove their existence except you transcend this realm.
MrColdsweat:
Why do you waste your time engaging the foolishness of atheists?

The human reasoning is incapable of completely grasping the infinite. We can only make assumptions and conjectures at infinity. We are also incapable of visualizing beyond the 3-dimensional plane. Certainly, this proves that the human reasoning is very limited.

What about their tools; science and philosophy? Not only are they mental fabrications of the limited human brain, they have their own limitations. Kurt Gödel already showed us the inconsistency of our mathematical system. Our scientific methodology which insists on human observation and experiment is another limitation on its own. Our whole field of science could be wrong and a waste of time.
Wittgenstein already showed us the fundamental problem of philosophy as LANGUAGE. Our problems with metaphysical concepts is lack of proper definition. We struggle with concepts like Good, bad, God because we do not have Concrete definitions for them. It is from definition we logically infer.

Now what do we call people who try to use their limited reasoning and tools to generalize on an abstract being which is acclaimed to possess infinite knowledge and energy?

That's like trying to measure air with a ruler.

Fools!!

Fools because they are not aware of their own mental insufficiency.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by akinlolu26624: 9:49am On Apr 03, 2021
make I follow park well.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by sunshineV(f): 10:51am On Apr 03, 2021
all these long tori for what? to claim a white bearded man exist? same god wey get 2 mouth abi no be him talk say ask and it shall be given come still talk say gods time is the best. mtcheew radarada

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by MikeofKd(m): 11:01am On Apr 03, 2021
Atheism is just another illusion from the devil and his agents whispered in the ears of men ,like d devil whispered in Eve's ears . Humans esp scientist has longed to understand the human evolution theory and have come up with so many exorbitant fallacies about human evolution I.e how humans evolved .

Now from an average atheist perspective, he feels or should I say he insist that's religion is just a void ,due to it imperfect nature ,yes I understand very well religion isn't so perfect and most humans are only good at using religion to deceive our fellow humans ,I get it ,I totally do ,but then all these aren't enough reasons to bluntly say that God doesn't exist .

The Bible ,they claim is an ill written fictional story and all sort of a conspiracy to back up the white man's God has a prove to humans that he truly exist ,I also totally understand this .

Now to be very honest ,the way the world operates i.e the laws and nature of life, I'm very convinced that there are absolute higher authority beyond what the human physical sightedness could ever see .and this is where spirituality comes in . Now the spiritual controls the physical ,there are so many things you cant see with an ordinary eye, that because the ordinary eyes was just meant to see things ordinarily.
And the spiritual eyes are meant to see extra ordinarily . Spirituality is a deep connection ,it makes you feel some type of way explicably unexplainable.

God dwells in this spirituality He works and walks in it ,some people only call this an illusion cause they've tried to connect with Him but failed ,they blame him for the death of a loved one ,they blame him for accidents they insult ,abuse and throw shades at him for not coming through for them when they needed him the most . I understand your griefs ,but you must also understand that God gave his only begotten son to die for the sins of a world where he had only instructed them to obey and enjoy great life but they refused cause they wanted to know more ,humans would always abuse power once given the chance ,it a human nature ,give a homeless poor man a house and financial upliftments today and he would forget he was homeless yesterday ,he would look down on the poor tommoro forgetting he was once poor .
That how human operates that the basic truth .

We have abused the powers God gave us as humans and we all are trying to know more than what God knows ,we are thirsty for God knowledge (who wouldn't want to be a god) I mean that what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven, but no matter how hard we try we can never know more than God allows us to ,and yes life happens due to the wicked human nature not that God can't do anything but he is given us the power already to do how we please ,but it really sad some people uses dis power to do evil ,I could write a epistle about this but it only wise to understand now that God exists and He walks only in spirituality .

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Ketamine9000mg(m): 1:00pm On Apr 03, 2021
"ATHEISM IS A FAILED QUEST TO DISCOVER GOD THROUGH CRITICAL REASONING. I DISCOVERED GOD THROUGH CRITICAL REASONING. "

You typed this. You have not written anything in this whole write up to validate this statement.

I expected an argument like
After xxxxxxxx
And yyyyyyyyyy through my unbeatable critical reasoning.
I am certain god exist.

Intelligent people that know the reasons behind earth quakes, congenital anomalies and existence of psychopaths won't use these as reasons to claim there is no god.

How does wealth accumulated by men of god(so to say) convince one of existence or non existence of god? It makes no sense.

Comparing our understanding of our parents to understanding of god is very far apart.
We have almost unlimited evidences to support the idea that those who we know as our parents are truly our parents and this evidences support a very singular idea. Like one won't say your father is an Indian and the other says he is an Asian. Contrarily, god has be described in a lot religious texts, and the idea of god has never being the same according to two different religious beliefs, even among those who are as close such as Abrahamic religion.

It is good to point out that these 3 point you dwelt upon didn't say how you discovered god through critical reasoning.


I was so eager to get a true conviction from your post that I read every single word and I did not see anything born out of critical reasoning in it.

This now brings us back to the question, HOW DID YOU DISCOVER GOD?

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 1:12pm On Apr 03, 2021
Ketamine9000mg:
"ATHEISM IS A FAILED QUEST TO DISCOVER GOD THROUGH CRITICAL REASONING. I DISCOVERED GOD THROUGH CRITICAL REASONING. "

You typed this. You have not written anything in this whole write up to validate this statement.

I expected an argument like
After xxxxxxxx
And yyyyyyyyyy through my unbeatable critical reasoning.
I am certain god exist.

Intelligent people that know the reasons behind earth quakes, congenital anomalies and existence of psychopaths won't use these as reasons to claim there is no god.

How does wealth accumulated by men of god(so to say) convince one of existence or non existence of god? It makes no sense.

Comparing our understanding of our parents to understanding of god is very far apart.
We have almost unlimited evidences to support the idea that those who we know as our parents are truly our parents and this evidences support a very singular idea. Like one won't say your father is an Indian and the other says he is an Asian. Contrarily, god has be described in a lot religious texts, and the idea of god has never being the same according to two different religious beliefs, even among those who are as close such as Abrahamic religion.

It is good to point out that these 3 point you dwelt upon didn't say how you discovered god through critical reasoning.


I was so eager to get a true conviction from your post that I read every single word and I did not see anything born out of critical reasoning in it.

This now brings us back to the question, HOW DID YOU DISCOVER GOD?
The discovery of God stems from you just sitting down and thinking about the universe itself. As you know the universe is made up of time, space and matter. And for it to have an origin, it must have been created by something that is immaterial, timeless spaceless and intelligent. This is where the God factor comes into play
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Ketamine9000mg(m): 1:17pm On Apr 03, 2021
Jashub:
The discovery of God stems from you just sitting down and thinking about the universe itself. As you know the universe is made up of time, space and matter. And for it to have an origin, it must have been created by something that is immaterial, timeless spaceless and intelligent. This is where the God factor comes into play

This is just an assumption. To force meaning into something you can't understand.

It is just like you saying because sun is what it is today and full of energy, we must come to a conclusion without evidence that a god must have made it so. It is total absurdity.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 1:21pm On Apr 03, 2021
Ketamine9000mg:


This is just an assumption. To force meaning into something you can't understand.

It is just like you saying because sun is what it is today and full of energy, we must come to a conclusion without evidence that a god must have made it so. It is total absurdity.
So how did the universe come into being? Kindly give a hypothetical answer. But mind you, it will still be talking about stuff you cannot prove.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Ketamine9000mg(m): 1:22pm On Apr 03, 2021
Jashub:
So how did the universe come into being? Kindly give a hypothetical answer. But mind you, it will still be talking about stuff you cannot prove.

So if my answer is "I don't know" don't you think I am more religious than you that feels "It must be a god"?

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 1:31pm On Apr 03, 2021
Ketamine9000mg:


So if my answer is "I don't know" don't you think I am more religious than you that feels "It must be a god"?
You are not religious ; so let us not even go there. So back to the question : what proof do you have on the origins of this universe? Since we have established, that whatever created this must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Ketamine9000mg(m): 2:01pm On Apr 03, 2021
Jashub:
You are not religious ; so let us not even go there. So back to the question : what proof do you have on the origins of this universe? Since we have established, that whatever created this must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial.

We haven't established the fact that whatever created the universe must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. Just like we haven't established any fact that the universe has a singular intelligent creator.

In a simpler term, the creation of the universe involved a series of chemical processes that happened over a very long period of time and is still happening.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 2:02pm On Apr 03, 2021
Ketamine9000mg:


We haven't established the fact that whatever created the universe must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. Just like we haven't established any fact that the universe has a singular intelligent creator.

In a simpler term, the creation of the universe involved a series of chemical processes that happened over a very long period of time and is still happening.
Chemical process? Please has this been proven? Even Christopher Hitchkins hasn't done this so I wonder where you're getting this theory from undecided
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Ketamine9000mg(m): 2:07pm On Apr 03, 2021
Jashub:
Chemical process? Please has this been proven? Even Christopher Hitchkins hasn't done this so I wonder where you're getting this theory from undecided

Yes. It hasn't been proven but you think the alternative is to accept prepositions of creation of the universe from books that can't accurately describe the surface of the earth?

Until we are able to prove that, the next best thing we have is the theory that has no mentioning of a god in it.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 2:15pm On Apr 03, 2021
Ketamine9000mg:


Yes. It hasn't been proven but you think the alternative is to accept prepositions of creation of the universe from books that can't accurately describe the surface of the earth?

Until we are able to prove that, the next best thing we have is the theory that has no mentioning of a god in it.
For the fact you do not understand something does not mean it does not exist. And you can not wholly conclude that there is no God. But for your information, there is a God. For if there were no God, there would be no law of logic, or law of morality, or law of nature. All these would not simply be because there no known "chemical process " that can phantom any of those.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Ketamine9000mg(m): 3:52pm On Apr 03, 2021
Jashub:
For the fact you do not understand something does not mean it does not exist. And you can not wholly conclude that there is no God. But for your information, there is a God. For if there were no God, there would be no law of logic, or law of morality, or law of nature. All these would not simply be because there no known "chemical process " that can phantom any of those.

That's the problem with religion.

You just claimed I can't conclude there is no god but you just concluded there is a god without any logical explanation.
You always claim the universe is too complex not to have a creator(god) but won't accept that if god is all complex-complete being as religion claims, god too must have a creator.

There was a time mankind believed that beyond the sky god existed (with some religious beliefs naming the sky in layers ie 7 heavens) until when we became masters of the sky ourselves and discovered that ignorance brought that absurd assumption. In time, as we know more, common sense will take over freeing us from shackles of unproven faith.

People who are bold enough to embrace common sense and to challenge the morbid fear of superstitious damnation after death or indescribable satisfaction and pleasure for all eternity, and have made peace with the fact that we will die and return to total basic components we contain as an animal are ATHEISTS.

All living things on earth including humans are born atheist, until some humans choose or have gullibility forced upon them over reason.

In conclusion, with all the knowledge we have gathered right now, the probability of god not existing is greatly higher than that of god existing.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 4:07pm On Apr 03, 2021
Ketamine9000mg:


That's the problem with religion.

You just claimed I can't conclude there is no god but you just concluded there is a god without any logical explanation.
You always claim the universe is too complex not to have a creator(god) but won't accept that if god is all complex-complete being as religion claims, god too must have a creator.

There was a time mankind believed that beyond the sky god existed (with some religious beliefs naming the sky in layers ie 7 heavens) until when we became masters of the sky ourselves and discovered that ignorance brought that absurd assumption. In time, as we know more, common sense will take over freeing us from shackles of unproven faith.

People who are bold enough to embrace common sense and to challenge the morbid fear of superstitious damnation after death or indescribable satisfaction and pleasure for all eternity, and have made peace with the fact that we will die and return to total basic components we contain as an animal are ATHEISTS.

All living things on earth including humans are born atheist, until some humans choose or have gullibility forced upon them over reason.

In conclusion, with all the knowledge we have gathered right now, the probability of god not existing is greatly higher than that of god existing.
Let us assume there is no God. So the question : where do the laws of logic and morality come from ? What about the conscience that tells you not to kill babies...? Where does it come from...can you answer? Is it from the chemical processes you mentioned ? What about the laws of science and matter...where do they originate from? And don't say science because those laws existed before the advent of science.

And lastly, I strongly disagree with the last paragraph where you said humans are born atheist , because that is another assumption you cannot prove. Because if indeed we were are born atheist, then religion would not be in existence because there would be no foundation for it.
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by IamMichael(m): 4:08pm On Apr 03, 2021
Can the God You Are Talking About Be Powerful Enough To Create A Stone He Cannot Lift?


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All this indoctrinated children fed with washed up religious ideologies as toddlers who can't decipher reality from fantasy. Now, as adults, they have still not grown up and realised that religion is man made and that the Religious Gods are mere mental constructs created from repetitive childish stories.

An African man living in Nigeria thinks a religious god of a tribe in Asia is the saviour of mankind. And you wonder why your politicians and pastors rate you very low and see you as fools to be milked and humiliated as they please.

Grow up!

A simple fact finding mission deep within your mind and the internet this days should be enough to tell you how the religious texts you hold dear is written. Would your religious indoctrination allow you?

Well, I don't know. But, this simple process has allowed a lot of people see the scam religion is. My understanding is despite realising that religion is a lie, fear of being ostracized keeps people bound. The only thing religion uses to keep it's adherents is fear. Fear of hell, fear of demons, fear of evil spirits, fear of their religious god, and bla bla bla. Just fear.

You will know a different kind of peace the day you finally realise that religious gods, demons and witches are as real as Santa Claus.

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Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Jashub: 4:39pm On Apr 03, 2021
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IamMichael:
Can the God You Are Talking About Be Powerful Enough To Create A Stone He Cannot Lift?


grin


All this indoctrinated children fed with washed up religious ideologies as toddlers who can't decipher reality from fantasy. Now, as adults, they have still not grown up and realised that religion is man made and that the Religious Gods are mere mental constructs created from repetitive childish stories.

An African man living in Nigeria thinks a religious god of a tribe in Asia is the saviour of mankind. And you wonder why your politicians and pastors rate you very low and see you as fools to be milked and humiliated as they please.

Grow up!

A simple fact finding mission deep within your mind and the internet this days should be enough to tell you how the religious texts you hold dear is written. Would your religious indoctrination allow you?

Well, I don't know. But, this simple process has allowed a lot of people see the scam religion is. My understanding is despite realising that religion is a lie, fear of being ostracized keeps people bound. The only thing religion uses to keep it's adherents is fear. Fear of hell, fear of demons, fear of evil spirits, fear of their religious god, and bla bla bla. Just fear.

You will know a different kind of peace the day you finally realise that religious gods, demons and witches are as real as Santa Claus.




[/s] Without God there would be no atheist. wink
Re: The Wisdom Of Atheism. by Thereddevil: 5:55pm On Apr 03, 2021
Jashub:
[s][/s] Without God there would be no atheist. wink
African/Nigerian atheists are just a set of people who at a point in their lives asked God for a miracle but felt they never got one.. A lot of my friends who became Atheists would claim God doesn't exist, but still goes to a herbalist who gives them magical soaps to make wealth, forgetting the herbalist called the name of a God as well... If men could tell what chemical reaction occurred for water to be made, I think the same man should be able to tell what chemical reaction occurred for the creation of the earth and every beautiful thing in it. What reaction could occur for the creation of a man? If chemical reaction could make a flesh, did it also make the organs? What chemical reaction occurred to create a heart and give it its function? If truly a chemical reaction brought about the creation of a man, the same should be able to create machines on its own.. If we were made through the reaction between different chemicals/elements, then we should be tagged "a mistake".. If there's a brain behind the creations of a man, then there's got to be a being behind the creation of a man's brain... Sometimes, I look at the world and all the beauties in it, I ask myself "could all these be as a result of a mistake?"..

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