In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

To prove His greatness, and sample for the believers

Nigerians are the new Job although.. I hate to say it but there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

heartbraker:
In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.

Wrong! God was so happy with Job that He used him to mock the failures of Satan!

heartbraker:

God agrees to put the matter to test.

So it was not a Test but "A Challenge" with God having Job as His Champion! What a Honour to be God's Champion, and to be God's Champion Against "The-Evil" himself! Mmmh!

heartbraker:

WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?

God does not Always Read our souls, it spoils the pleasure (and the pain too, and the pain too, let's not forget).

So, as Toys and children, He Watches us to See What we shall Do!

heartbraker:

DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

God is All knowing in the sense that No Information can pass Him by, but Exactly as Director of Intelligence and Information may do, he may not look at the information, even though it is in His Possession but choose to watch the players themselves!

So God was not being wicked, He Just had confidence in His Champion Job!

Job is still going to face the last test which each and everyone of us will certainly face before we can have everlasting life his test was just a child's play!
Job's test came as a result of being an outstanding example in his time. Satan is testing every servant of God to know those who will give him a tough time during the final test.
None of us is God's favourite because we are all Adam's descendants (sinners) {Romans 5:12} that's what gave Satan the impetus to dare testing us otherwise no angel can touch us or do anything to us if we are in Eden!
So when Satan told God "you've fortified him so that nobody could harm him" {Job 1:10} he was actually telling God that no descendant of Adam supposed to have such protective shield around him when they're all Satan's subjects as sinners!
That's why God permitted Satan to do whatever he feels but not to take Job's life which means Satan has the power to kill anyone of Adam's descendants at will, but he can only kill he has no authority over their future prospect whether they will be resurrected or not! Matthew 10:28
From the time of John the baptist until now Satan has been given double power to inflict injury on God's servants {Matthew 11:12} so the determined once are winning as they stand firm holding their faith to the end! Matthew 10:39, 24:13
So when the Bible said only those who believe (trust) in Jesus will have everlasting life {John 3:16} it's not just the verbal saying without acting in line with what you say. Each person will have to prove what sort of material he/she used and on what sort of soil his/her built Faith! Matthew 7:24-27
God bless you and may you have PEACE!

heartbraker:

In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

heartbraker:
In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

Hi there.

As you very rightly said, this involved a conversation between God and Satan. This conversation also happened in an assembly of angels. So there was more than one person who may have had some interest in its resolution.

God knows everything. He knows every heart. But even we ourselves often find that we don't know our own hearts. The various experiences that we have often serve as an opportunity both to learn about our own selves and to shape our own selves.

If we don't know our own hearts, the angels most certainly don't know our hearts either. When Satan makes accusations against us to their hearing, God can certainly answer those accusations from His Own perfect knowledge of us, but it is to His credit and due to His great and patient love for His creation that He gives us the opportunity to demonstrate to everyone (humans and angels both) including ourselves what is truly in our hearts.

Satan too gets a clear answer to his accusations from our own responses when we are tested in this way. Because we prove our hearts by choices that we are seen to make by both human beings and angels, he cannot argue that God is lying about us.

Therefore, God allows us to be tested in this life through different circumstances and experiences in order for us to answer for our own selves what we really want.

Because these tests are very hard on human beings, God offers incredible eternal rewards to all human beings as an incentive to endure them. If we do, then we will be compensated beyond any suffering we endure in our lives here on earth. If we don't, then we will miss out on these great rewards that have no equal here in this life.

For this reason, the Bible counsels and commands patient endurance through life in this world. Those who have ears listen to it.

At the beginning of the book, God said Job was righteous. He was always doing the right things, even before his children sins, he'd always sacrifice an animal cos he knew they would most likely sin. He avoided evil and all that. But God allowed Job to go though all that. Why? Cos God was going to show how self-righteousness makes men exalt themselves above God.

When those evil things befell Job, and his three friends came to console him, one accused him of not being innocent, the other was talking about the traditions of the past, and the other was arguing based on legality (that if he had done this or if he had not done that, all these wouldn't be happening to him). But do you know what Job said from chapter 29? He started challenging their accusations and became so self-righteous. He talked about all that he did and all of his achievements. When you depend or believe you have your own part to play to keep the commandments, if anything bad happens, you begin to say things like "I don't deserve this. I have been upright all my life. I did this and did that. I performed signs and wonders and touched people and they got healed. This shouldn't happen to me, why is God allowing this happen to me".

And if you say Job wasn't self-righteous, let's look at Elihu's argument in chapter 32. So these three men stopped answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Read Elihu's argument cos he got angry that Job was justifying himself instead of God. See what self-righteousness causes?

Then God spoke in chapter 38. Shouldn't God justify Job in all his self-righteousness? But read God's responses. He was asking him questions, several questions since Job thought he did everything or he knows everything. God even told Job that he's no match to the Leviathan.

And in all of God's responses, whenever Job replied Him, he never talked about himself. He talked more about God. He humbled himself and that's when Job's turnaround came. So many people depend on their own righteousness, and become an easy target to the enemy just like Job. Not that those who depend on God's righteousness (Jesus) won't face tough times. They will but they'll be humble cos they know nothing good can come from their efforts. That they've been depending on Jesus all along, and that they'll continue to do that cos He alone can and will deliver them. Notice why Psalm 23 is mainly about God working and leading us, and more of we resting and being led? Shalom!

The story of Job is just a story. We cannot say if it was historical or not, but the author was simply grasping with the problem of evil. If God is in control, why does he permit evil or even cause it through his messenger Satan? The Author concluded in the end that no one can question God and his ways.

heartbraker:
In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

Because God knew Job was capable of passing the test and being promoted. We likely won't have heard about him otherwise. God doesn't allow us to be tested above our measure or limit.

heartbraker:
In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

The answer to your question is found right there in the book of Job beginning from chapter 40 through to 41 - God answered Job who asked of God what you ask here of his suffering.

By Job 42, Job was floored... as he sat in dust and ashes..by God's answer.

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Because God knew Job was capable of passing the test and being promoted. We likely won't have heard about him otherwise. God doesn't allow us to be tested above our measure or limit.

u knw there IS no test higher dan 4 all u have to perish, u and i knw dat 40years old man and a year boy wont carry out dsame responsibility 4 dere parents (because he even lost all his children) so there IS nothing like all job had was restored in multiple folds.

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong! God was so happy with Job that He used him to mock the failures of Satan!



So it was not a Test but "A Challenge" with God having Job as His Champion! What a Honour to be God's Champion, and to be God's Champion Against "The-Evil" himself! Mmmh!



God does not Always Read our souls, it spoils the pleasure (and the pain too, and the pain too, let's not forget).

So, as Toys and children, He Watches us to See What we shall Do!



God is All knowing in the sense that No Information can pass Him by, but Exactly as Director of Intelligence and Information may do, he may not look at the information, even though it is in His Possession but choose to watch the players themselves!

So God was not being wicked, He Just had confidence in His Champion Job!

so i can let my kids suffer because i want to impress somepeople? That means am irresponsible father.

heartbraker:
so i can let my kids suffer because i want to impress somepeople? That means am irresponsible father.

Every good father celebrates and boasts about the successes of their children having let them suffer through the pain of tutorials and education, lessons and whips, examinations, tests, competition, interviews etc

And in the end, when he overcomes, we all say "that's my son" he's a lawyer, doctor, engineer, musician, pilot etc

heartbraker:
u knw there IS no test higher dan 4 all u have to perish, u and i knw dat 40years old man and a year boy wont carry out dsame responsibility 4 dere parents (because he even lost all his children) so there IS nothing like all job had was restored in multiple folds.

Sorry, didn't understand your English. Can you make it clearer?

heartbraker:
In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

God knows the mind of every thing created in this universe but he gives each creature the will to make choices. These choices are independent of God's decision, but the outcome is already known by God. For example : if God warns you not to drive to work today, and you choose to disobey, then this will leave you to fall into a predetermined outcome that is not favorable for you. However, if you choose to obey God and not drive to work, then the predetermined outcome that favors you will play itself out. So everything boils down to the choices you make.

Hope this answers your question

Because he placed a bet, like killed his innocent kids because of a mere bet.

Ridiculous story and indeed adults believe it

So you mean god killed innocent Job children because of his Ego to win a bet against satan?
Tell me more about it

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong! God was so happy with Job that He used him to mock the failures of Satan!



So it was not a Test but "A Challenge" with God having Job as His Champion! What a Honour to be God's Champion, and to be God's Champion Against "The-Evil" himself! Mmmh!



God does not Always Read our souls, it spoils the pleasure (and the pain too, and the pain too, let's not forget).

So, as Toys and children, He Watches us to See What we shall Do!



God is All knowing in the sense that No Information can pass Him by, but Exactly as Director of Intelligence and Information may do, he may not look at the information, even though it is in His Possession but choose to watch the players themselves!

So God was not being wicked, He Just had confidence in His Champion Job!

FatherOfJesus:

So you mean god killed innocent Job children because of his Ego to win a bet against satan?
Tell me more about it

Must you be Evil every time? Is it not written that it was Satan who did the killing?

As I have told you before, that it is what it means to be a creation, IT IS OUR JOB TO PLEASE OUR CREATOR AND WE ARE HIS TOYS. HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE PLEASES OVER US WITHOUT QUESTION EXACTLY AS YOU DO YOU OVER YOUR OWN TOYS eg Pencil and Biro fight, Car Fight, "which person phone strong pass fight" etc

He created you with a divine so he can change his plans to kill you over a bet?
Your God is a psychopath

Dtruthspeaker:


Must you be Evil every time? Is it not written that it was Satan who did the killing?

As I have told you before, that it is what it means to be a creation, IT IS OUR JOB TO PLEASE OUR CREATOR AND WE ARE HIS TOYS. HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE PLEASES OVER US WITHOUT QUESTION EXACTLY AS YOU DO YOU OVER YOUR OWN TOYS eg Pencil and Biro fight, Car Fight, "which person phone strong pass fight" etc

FatherOfJesus:
He created you with a divine so he can change his plans to kill you over a bet?
Your God is a psychopath

That's the Power and Right of A Creator over the powerlessness of the creation!

A Creator Always has a Right to make, de-make, re-make, unmake and repeat any or all of these processes over again upon his creations Everytime without question Exactly as you do over your plasticine, drawing, App or car

Nothing a creation can do about it Exactly as your car, phone or biro can never stop you from breaking it, burning it or remaking it.

Dtruthspeaker:


That's the Power and Right of A Creator over the powerlessness of the creation!

A Creator Always has a Right to make, de-make, re-make, unmake and repeat any or all of these processes over again upon his creations Everytime without question Exactly as you do over your plasticine, drawing, App or car

Nothing a creation can do about it Exactly as your car, phone or biro can never stop you from breaking it, burning it or remaking it.

That is a psychopath. Egoists and nonexistent mofo

FatherOfJesus:
That is a psychopath. Egoists and nonexistent mofo

As Usual, No Reasonable Rebuttal

Dtruthspeaker:


As Usual, No Reasonable Rebuttal

I can’t reasonable give you a rebuttal cos you are an illogical person. Anybody trying to have a sane argument with you is wasting time.

You God is a psychopath, hence his followers

heartbraker: In conversation with God satan suggest that job would turn away from God if he should lose his wealth and good fortune.
God agrees to put the matter to test. WHY CANT GOD KNW THE MIND OF JOB ON WHETHER HE IS TRUELY THRUSTWORTHY WITHOUT TESTING HIM?
DOES IT MEAN GOD IS NOT AN ALL KNOWING GOD OR JUST A WICKED GOD THAT JUST WANT TO DESTROY JOB?

Did you not notice that the first and second chapters of the book of Job highlights God publicly meeting with all his spirit sons?

Of course God can read the hearts of men(Proverbs 21:2, Jeremiah 17:10) but his spirit sons apparently do not have that ability.
Satan was making those claims and calling into question God’s way of dealing with his servants before the hearing and eyes of other angels. Job 1:6

Other parts of the Bible tell us that God is concerned with the way others view him because he has a reputation to maintain. Exodus 32:9-14

So for Satan to challenge God in that manner saying that nobody could not remain loyal to God under dire circumstances and that God supposedly “bribes” his people to serve him really brought a stain on God’s name so God had to clear his name of reproach by allowing Job to be tested so that others could see what was really in Job’s heart since the angels cannot read hearts(Job 2:1-5) and so that God’s name could be cleared off reproach. Matthew 6:9

This doesn’t mean that Job’s suffering was unimportant. At the very least it goes to show that God is never the cause of human suffering(James 1:13) and that Satan is the instigator of all the problems this world is facing currently. 1John 5:19, Revelation 12:9-12