The bone of contention of this guy macof is the fact that Ife wasn't recorded anywhere as great or as having any significance, therefore he trashes any eyewitness account of precolonial west Africa and promotes yoruba-centric myths instead.

He is one of those peddlers of alternate history which favours their ethno-centric interests.

Hey macof the slow: Ife was a small village most likely under the alafin untill the British invaded and developed Ife as from 1912. (It is the development which took place as from 1912, not the invasion, needless to say the bloodless invasion took place long before the development)

Abeokuta was established in 1830.

Many towns in which the Yoruba live today were mere forrests 300 years ago. That is one of the reasons you wouldn't find some of them on maps which were made before the towns were created.

Look child, you have to start facing the reality that Ife was irrelevant. Oni is a priest not a a king, his king is the alafin if oyo.

Nairalandmonika:

Guy u don't know what u are saying, the Portuguese did left the coast and interacted with the itsekiri, in fact they even married itsekiri people.

so the itsekiri - a coastal people - had interactions with the Portuguese.. Oh wow what a surprise...
It's ridiculous that you would think a coastal people having contact with the Portuguese means the Portuguese were exploring and mapping out the hinterlands

Also the records of intermarriage between itsekiri and Portuguese were by itsekiri nobles, mostly princes who had gone to Portugal or other Portuguese colonies. Not by Portuguese settlers

Nairalandmonika:

you just posted a screenshot with no source and expect anyone to take u serious

im not expecting fools to take knowledge seriously. I'm not here to engage in one senseless back and forth
It's left for you to take those names and dates in the screenshot or provide information on any European explorer or cartographer who ventured into the hinterlands to map out territorial boundaries

This is basically common knowledge that Europeans were afraid of malaria until chloroquine was invented. So if you are looking for someone to entertain you, go find that person elsewhere

Truthshots2:
The bone of contention of this guy macof is the fact that Ife wasn't recorded anywhere as great or as having any significance, therefore he trashed any eyewitness account of precolonial west Africa and promotes yorubacentric myths instead.

He is one of those peddlers of alternate history which favours their ethnocentric interests.

Hey macof the slow: Ife was a small village most likely under the alafin untill the British invaded and developed Ife as from 1912.

Abeokuta was established in 1830.

Many towns in which the Yoruba live in today were mere forrests 300 years ago. That is one of the reasons you wouldn't find some of them on maps which were made before the town's were created.

Look child, you have to start facing the reality that Ife was irrelevant. Oni is a priest not a a king, his king is the alafin if oyo.

Don't you have a life this boy?

macof:

im not expecting fools to take knowledge seriously. I'm not here to engage in one senseless back and forth
It's left for you to take those names and dates in the screenshot or provide information on any European explorer or cartographer who ventured into the hinterlands to map out territorial boundaries

This is basically common knowledge that Europeans were afraid of malaria until chloroquine was invented. So if you are looking for someone to entertain you, go find that person elsewhere

1) A map from 1658 which was clearly made by people with knowledge of the "interior".

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/70656/a-new-plaine-exact-mapp-of-africa-described-by-ni-vi-walton

2) what you are calling "common knowledge" is actually a mere opinion which is not held by all, and that opinion is disproved by the map which I provided.

3) what is with you and the constant swearing ? Are you mentally ill ? People ask you valid questions and you just start insulting.
It is only your fault that you couldn't provide the entire source document of which you posted a snapshot of an extract. You have to realise that nothing proves that you didn't write that thing yourself.

4) you need to take your meds and stop discussing what you know nothing about.

My last notes to you child. Get some very needed education.

Truthshots2:


1) A map from 1658 which was clearly made by people with knowledge of the "interior".

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/70656/a-new-plaine-exact-mapp-of-africa-described-by-ni-vi-walton

2) what you are calling "common knowledge" is actually a mere opinion which is not held by all, and that opinion is disproved by the map which I provided.

3) what is with you and the constant swearing ? Are you mentally ill ? People ask you vadic questions and you just start insulting.
It is only your fault that you couldn't provide the entire source document if which you posted a snapshot of an extract. You have to realise that nothing prove 's that you didn't write that thing yourself.

4) you need to take your meds and stop discussing what you know nothing about.

My last notes to you child. Get some needed education.

It's left for you to take those names and dates in the screenshot or you provide your information on any European explorer or cartographer who ventured into the hinterlands to map out territorial boundaries
Anything other than that is a waste of time with a troll and lowlife practically posting the same thing, word for word for years on this forum. You are the one who needs meds and some education. Self-professed Mathematician/doctor in France who spends years on a forum changing moniker to argue what has no correlation with his self professed profession

pinkygurl:

ТHIS FULL FVCKING MAP WAS ONE TIME A FVCKING 'Warri province ‘ under the colony and protectorate of Southern Nigeria & it’s governor.
Truth remains Na people land.Pipu papa Land.The almighty colonizing foreigners dey carry jump their administrative offices enter to call Warri. The British moved itsekiri OLU traditional palace from Ode-itsekiri to a fvcking Warri mainland-more & more people’s papa land .
ALL l see in this Fvcking map are Lands & plots of Lands & territories of Agbarha consisting of OtovwodoAgbarha,Igbudu,Edjeba,Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele,Ukpokiti,Okere-Urhobo, and plots of Land & territories of Gbanrsnmatu,Ogbe-Ijaw et al
& plots of land & teritories of isekiri & ode-itsekiri Labelled a fvcking name 'Warri' .which cannot be found in any of the languages.which the Ijaw man claims is related to WARI or home/house in IJaw;& the itsekiri man claims is related to iwerre in itsekiri. If you like call any of these fvcking lands warri north.wari south.warri east
Thank Goodness the full FVCking map is no longer called or recognised as a fvcking 'warri province' under protectorate of southern Nigeria but called Delta or some tribes would have claimed.ughelli,sapele,asaba are living among WARES or house/home in IJAW & another tribe would have claimed ughelli,sapele,asaba are livng among iwerre.
SHEBI EVERYBODY FVCKING KNOW WHERE IM FVCKING PAPA LAND DEY?IF ANSWER IS YES,
If you like rename this whole map again to 'Map of SMART LAND',Nigeria;get it recognised in a court of law as 'Smartland' ,Nigeria .& let somebody Crown himself 'OLU OR PERE OF SMARTLAND'.
FVCKING TRUTH IS THE KING OF THE WHOLE SMARTLAND WILL ONLY KING OVER ONLY HIS PAPA OIL WELL & ONLY HIS PAPA LAND
IF HE LIKES 'smart' should be a word found in his native tribe.'
HE & HIS SMART TITLE UPHELD IN A COURT OF LAW & EVEN THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE & WORLD GAZETTE SEF WILL ONLY KING AND CHIEF OVER ONLY HIS PAPA LAND & HIS PAPA & HIS ANCESTORS OIL WELL ONLY COS EVERYBODY KNOW IM PAPA LAND
'.If he likes sb should help PERE OR OVIE OR OLU OF SMARTLAND to quickly jump to wikepedia sef & edit names of past king in his native Papaland to 'pastkings of smartland.A PERE will only Pere over IJaw owned lands in smartland.just as An OvIE would onĺy king/OVIE over Urhobo owned lands.Everybody know im land.period!

The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can even add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title should he want & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS OF WARRI ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..

Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.

https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

Calm down

pinkygurl:

Effurun is not Warri.Effurun is uvwie local government area.which has grown towards warri as a result of development.
Itsekiris cannot claim to own Warri.Warri belongs to urhobo,ljaw & itsekiris. Warri has Ijaw domain subject to PERE. itsekiri domain subject to OLU.Warri has urhobo domain.subject to OVIE.
Till eternity ijaw land of Warri remains ljaw land.itsekiri land remains itsekiri land.
Urhobos have their own king. callled OVIE.
Ijaw king PERE. Itsekiri king OLU. Itsekiri oil wells remain itsekiri oil wells.Ijaw oil wells remain Ijaw oil wells.Urhobo oil wells remain urhobo oil wells

Ovie of Agbara in warri for example.
Agbarha comprises of seven patriarch towns of otovwodo-agbarha in warri;igbudu in warri;Edjeba in warri;Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele and Ukpokiti.Those are exclusively urhobo domains subject to IVIE urhobo king.Agbarha and Okere-urhobo of warri.

Gbaranmatu;Isaba and Ogbe ijoh are exclusively IJaw domains in Warri subject to lJaw king-Pere
Itsekiri domains are subject to king-OLU
Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.
Warri belongs to itsekiris;urhobos & ijaws.
Itsekiris;urhobos & Ijaws all have oil.3 indigenous people;3 different tribes,3 different languages.3 different people subject to 3 different kings & they all know their boundaries. If anybody trespasses his boundary,it would be another Warri crises replay.
ASK WHY YOUR PROMINENT ISTEKIRI KING & CHIEFS WITH THEIR VERY PROMINENT TITLES CANNOT KING OR CHIEF OVER URHOBO OR IJAW OIL WELLS OF WARRI OR THEIR COMMUNIITIES

P.S The name "Warri" was coined by a Portuguese explorer and has no origin with the Itsekiri titular name of "Iwere". This is a historical fact. Furthermore, other names of places in the Warri Axis such as "Forcados" were also colonial coinages. TRADITIONAL WARRI WAS NOT IWERE in itsekiri.NEITHER WAS IT WARE in IJaw

Warri is made up of three local government areas; Warri South LGA which is dominated by the Urhobos of Okere and Agbassa and the Itsekiris, Warri South West which is dominated by Ijaws and Itsekiris and Warri North which is mainly dominated by the Itsekiris with Ijaws as well.
The ijaws,urhobos & itsekiris of warri all have different traditional rulers with trsditional titles in today's traditional warri.
The name "Warri" was coined by a Portuguese explorer and has no origin with the Itsekiri titular name of "Iwere". This is a historical fact.

- In pre-colonial and colonial times, there was a marked division of territory in Warri. The Ijaws occupied the islands and shores in the Warri South West Axis, the Itsekiris occupied the islands and mainlands close to the coastal areas in Warri South and North while the Urhobos occupied the hinterland with the exception of Okere-Urhobo and Agbassa urhobo who occupied coastal regions
- The Agbassa (Agbara-Ame) People of Warri South Local Government Area were migrants to Warri from their home town of Agbarha-Otor just like the Idjerhe(Jesse) and Oghara people of Ethiope West.
NA URHOBO;IJAW & ITSEKIRI LAND the Portuguese dash Warri. The British moved itsekiri OLU traditional palace from ode-itsekiri to Warri mainland.
The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title should he want & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..


https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

pinkygurl:

If The name Warri was coined from itsekiri iwerre,or Wari(home or house)in ijaw.No tribe has been able to prove it in a court of Law.l advise you to go to a court of Law & help the itsekiris to prove it so that it can be upheld by the CJN.
Cos the portuguese coined the name 'Warri'. even 'Forcados'. & the portuguese & Europeans who remain strangers till eternity were fond of jumping from people's land to other people's land & calling it Warri for administrative purposes.
The original palace of OLU was at Ode-itsekiri.

And as for your claim of IJaws laying claim to some itsekiri lands & itsekiris accusing ijaws of laying claim to some ijaw lands or urhobo accusing ijaws of laying claims to some of their lands.
I was not there with their ancestors to really know who is lyeing.we do not want more replays of warri crises
An itsekiri would tell you ijaw stole some of their lands .l dont know who is lyeing.e nor concern me.ma papa nor be the king of any part in today's warri or wafftown & my papa nor get any land talkless of somebody stealing it yet although he is planning on buying some lands soon.So if ur papa is ODION & somebody is claiming his land in ODION road.Na una two sabi.. Odion sounds like urhobo word for 'elder',tho.elder should be odion in urhobo language.
We have 3 tribes in Warri : Ijaws, Itsekiris and the Urhobos.
And all the 3 tribes have their kings.
The Urhobos have Kings in Warri
The Ovie of Agbarha-Warri and the Okere-Urhobo.
The Ijaws have king Pere of Ogbe-Ijaw.
The Itsekiris have the Olu of Warri.
TRUTH REMAINS NA PEOPLE LAND;PIPU PAPA LAND.THE ALMIGHTY COLONISING FOREIGNERS DEY CARRY JUMP THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES ENTER TO CALL WARRI .URHOBO,IJAW & ITSEKIRI LANDS.
so everybody knows their boundary
NA URHOBO;IJAW & ITSEKIRI LAND the Portuguese dash Warri. The British moved itsekiri OLU traditional palace from ode-itsekiri to a fvcking Warri mainland-yet,more people's papa & fatherland. .Even the full delta state was one time a fvcking 'warri province' under the colony and protectorate of Southern Nigeria.
The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title should he want & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS OF WARRI ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..

Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.

https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

pinkygurl:


Okumagba is not my business.whether any prominent Ijaw or urhobo or itsekiri warri people intermarried at some point.Let them intermarry till eternity.urhobo land remains urhobo land.ijaw land remains ljaw land.itsekiri land remains itsekiri land.
Urhobos have their own king. callled OVIE.
Ijaw king PERE. Itsekiri king OLU(Ogiame)
Ovie of Agbara in warri rather.
Agbarha comprises of seven patriarch towns of otovwodo-agbarha in warri;igbudu in warri;Edjeba in warri;Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele and Ukpokiti.Those are exclusively urhobo domains subject to IVIE urhobo king.Agbarha and Okere-urhobo of warri.

Gbaranmatu;Isaba and Ogbe ijoh are exclusively IJaw domains in Warri subject to lJaw king-Pere
Itsekiri domains are subject to king-OLU
Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.
Warri belongs to itsekiris;urhobos & ijaws.
Itsekiris;urhobos & Ijaws all have oil.3 indigenous people;3 different tribes,3 different languages.3 different people subject to 3 different kings & they all know their boundaries. If anybody trespasses his boundary,it would be another Warri crises replay.
NEXT TIME ASK WHY YOUR PROMINENT ISTEKIRI KING & CHIEFS WITH THEIR VERY PROMINENT TITLES CANNOT KING OR CHIEF OVER URHOBO OR IJAW OIL WELLS OF WARRI OR THEIR COMMUNIITIES
https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

pinkygurl:


The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title if he wants & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..

- In pre-colonial and colonial times, there was a marked division of territory in Warri. The Ijaws occupied the islands and shores in the Warri South West Axis, the Itsekiris occupied the islands and mainlands close to the coastal areas in Warri South and North while the Urhobos occupied the hinterland with the exception of Okere-Urhobo and Agbassa urhobo who occupied coastal regions

When the colonial NCNC and the Action Group party was formed, the Itsekiris embraced the AG while the Urhobos embraced NCNC. Awolowo punished the Urhobos for this by placing the Itsekiri monarch above all the Urhobo monarchs. Awo also changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri .

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.

https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts
https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts

macof:


It's left for you to take those names and dates in the screenshot or you provide your information on any European explorer or cartographer who ventured into the hinterlands to map out territorial boundaries
Anything other than that is a waste of time with a troll and lowlife practically posting the same thing, word for word for years on this forum. You are the one who needs meds and some education. Self-professed Mathematician/doctor in France who spends years on a forum changing moniker to argue what has no correlation with his self professed profession

1) contrary to you, who posted a mere snapshot without the full document nor a link to the website hosting the document, I actually posted the entire map and a link to the website hosting it. Every information about the map is in the website. I provide access for my foes and my friends alike.


2)actually I spend very little time on nairaland. I always limit my participation in nairaland. That is why each time I have passed the time limit which I fixed, I delete my account.
I only go on nairaland when I am bored or too tired to do complex maths.
I am the one who actually started criticizing the likes of you and your fellow trolls about the fact you practically live on nairaland. You are not even smart enough to have your own original critics, you had to copy me...

3)Also being a mathematician doesn't stop me from having other skills. It is not a draw back to be intelligent, it is an added value. Most people who major in history in the university do so because they failed science and maths in particular. They were too dumb to do science.
Being smarter is a plus, not a minus, and you should know given the number of times I schooled you.
Mathematicians are known for developing or creating other academic fields: eg mathematicians created computer science, mathematicians developed fields such as economy and biology and physics. Basically mathematics is the art of thinking well.


Now stop quoting me. I have given you enough free education for today.

pinkygurl:

ТHIS FULL FVCKING MAP WAS ONE TIME A FVCKING 'Warri province ‘ under the colony and protectorate of Southern Nigeria & it’s governor.
Truth remains Na people land.Pipu papa Land.The almighty colonizing foreigners dey carry jump their administrative offices enter to call Warri. The British moved itsekiri OLU traditional palace from Ode-itsekiri to a fvcking Warri mainland-more & more people’s papa land .
ALL l see in this Fvcking map are Lands & plots of Lands & territories of Agbarha consisting of OtovwodoAgbarha,Igbudu,Edjeba,Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele,Ukpokiti,Okere-Urhobo, and plots of Land & territories of Gbanrsnmatu,Ogbe-Ijaw et al
& plots of land & teritories of isekiri & ode-itsekiri Labelled a fvcking name 'Warri' .which cannot be found in any of the languages.which the Ijaw man claims is related to WARI or home/house in IJaw;& the itsekiri man claims is related to iwerre in itsekiri. If you like call any of these fvcking lands warri north.wari south.warri east
Thank Goodness the full FVCking map is no longer called or recognised as a fvcking 'warri province' under protectorate of southern Nigeria but called Delta or some tribes would have claimed.ughelli,sapele,asaba are living among WARES or house/home in IJAW & another tribe would have claimed ughelli,sapele,asaba are livng among iwerre.
SHEBI EVERYBODY FVCKING KNOW WHERE IM FVCKING PAPA LAND DEY?IF ANSWER IS YES,
If you like rename this whole map again to 'Map of SMART LAND',Nigeria;get it recognised in a court of law as 'Smartland' ,Nigeria .& let somebody Crown himself 'OLU OR PERE OF SMARTLAND'.
FVCKING TRUTH IS THE KING OF THE WHOLE SMARTLAND WILL ONLY KING OVER ONLY HIS PAPA OIL WELL & ONLY HIS PAPA LAND
IF HE LIKES 'smart' should be a word found in his native tribe.'
HE & HIS SMART TITLE UPHELD IN A COURT OF LAW & EVEN THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE & WORLD GAZETTE SEF WILL ONLY KING AND CHIEF OVER ONLY HIS PAPA LAND & HIS PAPA & HIS ANCESTORS OIL WELL ONLY COS EVERYBODY KNOW IM PAPA LAND
'.If he likes sb should help PERE OR OVIE OR OLU OF SMARTLAND to quickly jump to wikepedia sef & edit names of past king in his native Papaland to 'pastkings of smartland.A PERE will only Pere over IJaw owned lands in smartland.just as An OvIE would onĺy king/OVIE over Urhobo owned lands.Everybody know im land.period!

The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can even add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title should he want & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS OF WARRI ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..

Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.

https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

pinkygurl:


AGBARHA & OKERE URHOBO;are they ITSEKIRI DOMAINS? or proudly urhobo ovuovo domains.
Agbarha comprises of seven patriarch towns of otovwodo-agbarha in warri;igbudu in warri;Edjeba in warri;Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele and Ukpokiti.Those are urhobo domains subject to OVIE urhobo king.Agbarha and Okere-urhobo of warri.
Not to mention OGBE-IJOH (if spelling is correct);GBARANMATU,ISABA to mention but a few.IS THAT AN ITSEKIRI DOMAIN?
are they not located in Warri?
Some urhobo communities in warri south!
1.idimi sobo
2.agbassa
3.edjeba
4.okere-urhobo
5.ogunu
Warri has an itsekiri domain;urhobo domain & IJaw domain all ruled by three kings whatever their effing titles may be.
OLU OF WARRI does not king over Agbarha,Okere Urhobo or urhobo owned lands of Warri. Just as king of Ijaws does not king over itsekiri owned lands of warri. Any trespass would result in another warri crises replay

Warri belongs to itsekiris;urhobos & ijaws.
Itsekiris;urhobos & Ijaws all have oil.3 indigenous people;3 different tribes,3 different languages.3 different people subject to 3 different kings & they all know their boundaries. If anybody trespasses his boundary,it would be another Warri crises replay.
NEXT TIME ASK WHY YOUR PROMINENT ISTEKIRI KING & CHIEFS WITH THEIR VERY PROMINENT TITLES CANNOT KING OR CHIEF OVER URHOBO OR IJAW OIL WELLS OF WARRI OR THEIR COMMUNIITIES
https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm


http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

Truthshotcrazy:

mynd44 seun this person is spamming this thread.

pinkygurl:


The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title if he wants & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..

- In pre-colonial and colonial times, there was a marked division of territory in Warri. The Ijaws occupied the islands and shores in the Warri South West Axis, the Itsekiris occupied the islands and mainlands close to the coastal areas in Warri South and North while the Urhobos occupied the hinterland with the exception of Okere-Urhobo and Agbassa urhobo who occupied coastal regions

When the colonial NCNC and the Action Group party was formed, the Itsekiris embraced the AG while the Urhobos embraced NCNC. Awolowo punished the Urhobos for this by placing the Itsekiri monarch above all the Urhobo monarchs. Awo also changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri .

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.

https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts
https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts

Truthshots2:

1) contrary to you, who posted a mere snapshot without the full document nor a link to the website hosting the document, I actually posted the entire map and a link to the website hosting it. Every information about the map is in the website. I provide access for my foes and my friends alike.


2)actually I spend very little time on nairaland. I always limit my participation in nairaland. That is why each time I have passed the time limit which I fixed, I delete my account.
I only go on nairaland when I am boasted or too tired to do complex maths.

3)Also being a mathematician doesn't stop me from having other skills. It is not a draw back to be intelligent, it is an added value. Most people who major in history in the university do so because they failed science and maths in particular. They were too dumb to do science.
Being smarter is a plus, not a minus, and you should know given the number of times I schooled you.

Now stop quoting me. I have given you enough free education for today.

dullard calls himself smart and intelligent ironic
Fixed time for himself on Nairaland
Historians are dumb and it takes you to teach history

So full of himself in his uselessness

We await your own information on any European explorer and cartographer who ventured into the hinterlands: names, date of exploration, where explored etc, oh great one who knows more history than all the historians in the world combined

To the person above, I am no longer reading nor responding you. Basically you no longer exist to me.

I have proven you wrong. I don't need to waste more time arguing with a person who can't accept facts and logics. Time is valuable.

When I reach my time limit and delete my account, as usual the trolls will come and start making claims of how they "chased me" from nairaland, now to quote fela, that is your regular trade mark.

pinkygurl:


Nobody is arguing itsekiri history with you.They do bear similarities in culture to the yorubas
Actually the bone of contention here is not origin of the Itsekiri people. The bone of contention here is history of the land borders officially known as WARRI.Not Iwere in itsekiri or ware in ijaw.
And who the OFFICIAL TITLE OF OLU OF WARRI is ruling. & whether Warri is an itsekiri land or rather a conglomerate of urhobo,itsekiri & ijaw .

Till eternity ijaw land of Warri remains ljaw land.itsekiri land remains itsekiri land.
Urhobos have their own king. callled OVIE.
Ijaw king PERE. Itsekiri king OLU.
Ovie of Agbara in warri rather.
Agbarha comprises of seven patriarch towns of otovwodo-agbarha in warri;igbudu in warri;Edjeba in warri;Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele and Ukpokiti.Those are exclusively urhobo domains subject to IVIE urhobo king.Agbarha and Okere-urhobo of warri.

Gbaranmatu;Isaba and Ogbe ijoh are exclusively IJaw domains in Warri subject to lJaw king-Pere
Itsekiri domains are subject to king-OLU
Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.
Warri belongs to itsekiris;urhobos & ijaws.
Itsekiris;urhobos & Ijaws all have oil.3 indigenous people;3 different tribes,3 different languages.3 different people subject to 3 different kings & they all know their boundaries. If anybody trespasses his boundary,it would be another Warri crises replay.
ASK WHY YOUR PROMINENT ISTEKIRI KING & CHIEFS WITH THEIR VERY PROMINENT TITLES CANNOT KING OR CHIEF OVER URHOBO OR IJAW OIL WELLS OF WARRI OR THEIR COMMUNIITIES

P.S The name "Warri" was coined by a Portuguese explorer and has no origin with the Itsekiri titular name of "Iwere". This is a historical fact. Furthermore, other names of places in the Warri Axis such as "Forcados" were also colonial coinages. TRADITIONAL WARRI WAS NOT IWERE in itsekiri.NEITHER WAS IT WARE in IJaw

- The Agbassa (Agbara-Ame) People of Warri South Local Government Area were migrants to Warri from their home town of Agbarha-Otor just like the Idjerhe(Jesse) and Oghara people of Ethiope West.
NA URHOBO;IJAW & ITSEKIRI LAND the Portuguese dash Warri. The British moved itsekiri OLU traditional palace from ode-itsekiri to Warri mainland

https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm


http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

OLU OF WARRI-What a great powerful mighty magnificent title legally vesting & exclusively restricting power of monarchy to only itsekiri owned oil wells at the end of the day in the great & mighty oil rich Warri.

Truthshots2:
To the person above, I am no longer reading nor responding you. Basically you no longer exist to me.

I have proven you wrong. I don't need to waste more time arguing with a person who can't accept facts and logics. Time is valuable.

When I reach my time limit and delete my account, as usual the trolls will come and start making claims of how they "chased me" from nairaland, now to quote fela, that is your regular trade mark.

Prove me wrong by providing your own information on any European explorer and cartographer who ventured into the hinterlands: names, date of exploration, where explored etc
Lets compare the date and location and see how Europeans could possibly have made an accurate map before the 19th century

I have already said I will do no back and forth with any hopeless fellow using a faceless forum to boost his confidence. So when you are capable, if you are even mentally capable of proving me wrong, we can have an actual debate since you want to dive into history so bad despite your lack of background in the discipline.

https://www.mathunion.org/icmi/role-mathematics-overall-curriculum

Being a mathematician, I actually reason well and when I take interest into a topic, I study it with mathematical rigour.

So as I previously stated, enough of Africa had been visited in the middle ages in order to make the precolonial maps of West Africa which were made.

I recommend these videos on the true history of the Yoruba :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

Truthshots2:
https://www.mathunion.org/icmi/role-mathematics-overall-curriculum

Being a mathematician, I actually reason well and when I take interest into a topic, I study it with mathematical rigour.

So as I previously stated, enough of Africa had been visited in the middle ages in order to make the precolonial maps of West Africa which were made.

The question is what class of Mathematician.?
You might as well be a slow poke second class lower or third class or even pass mathematician. Claiming false laurels in a faceless forum. Even being a first class mathematician or first class Physics graduate does not in any way establish you as an authority in Nigerian history,its people & culture. Unless history or similar fields like GST,Political studies and the likes is your field of specialisation with enough publications,& awards to back it up
Anybody can come to the internet to claim anything.Everybody is professor of Mathematics and professor of History online
Drop a link to your LinkedIn profile & publications in accredited journals so that we can access you better and know what pedigree of classless human we are dealing with in a faceless forum

pinkygurl:

Effurun is not Warri.Effurun is uvwie local government area.which has grown towards warri as a result of development.
Itsekiris cannot claim to own Warri.Warri belongs to urhobo,ljaw & itsekiris. Warri has Ijaw domain subject to PERE. itsekiri domain subject to OLU.Warri has urhobo domain.subject to OVIE.
Till eternity ijaw land of Warri remains ljaw land.itsekiri land remains itsekiri land.
Urhobos have their own king. callled OVIE.
Ijaw king PERE. Itsekiri king OLU. Itsekiri oil wells remain itsekiri oil wells.Ijaw oil wells remain Ijaw oil wells.Urhobo oil wells remain urhobo oil wells

Ovie of Agbara in warri for example.
Agbarha comprises of seven patriarch towns of otovwodo-agbarha in warri;igbudu in warri;Edjeba in warri;Okurode,Ogunu,Oteghele and Ukpokiti.Those are exclusively urhobo domains subject to IVIE urhobo king.Agbarha and Okere-urhobo of warri.

Gbaranmatu;Isaba and Ogbe ijoh are exclusively IJaw domains in Warri subject to lJaw king-Pere
Itsekiri domains are subject to king-OLU
Awo changed the traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri to the Olu of Warri.

The court ruling states unequivocally that the Olu of Warri is a mere titular appellation and his over-lord's powers are limited to Itsekiri traditional homesteads.
OLU OF WARRI CAN ONLY KING OVER ITSEKIRI OIL WELLS OF WARRI & ITSEKIRI OWNED LANDS OF WARRI.
Warri belongs to itsekiris;urhobos & ijaws.
Itsekiris;urhobos & Ijaws all have oil.3 indigenous people;3 different tribes,3 different languages.3 different people subject to 3 different kings & they all know their boundaries. If anybody trespasses his boundary,it would be another Warri crises replay.
ASK WHY YOUR PROMINENT ISTEKIRI KING & CHIEFS WITH THEIR VERY PROMINENT TITLES CANNOT KING OR CHIEF OVER URHOBO OR IJAW OIL WELLS OF WARRI OR THEIR COMMUNIITIES

P.S The name "Warri" was coined by a Portuguese explorer and has no origin with the Itsekiri titular name of "Iwere". This is a historical fact. Furthermore, other names of places in the Warri Axis such as "Forcados" were also colonial coinages. TRADITIONAL WARRI WAS NOT IWERE in itsekiri.NEITHER WAS IT WARE in IJaw

Warri is made up of three local government areas; Warri South LGA which is dominated by the Urhobos of Okere and Agbassa and the Itsekiris, Warri South West which is dominated by Ijaws and Itsekiris and Warri North which is mainly dominated by the Itsekiris with Ijaws as well.
The ijaws,urhobos & itsekiris of warri all have different traditional rulers with trsditional titles in today's traditional warri.
The name "Warri" was coined by a Portuguese explorer and has no origin with the Itsekiri titular name of "Iwere". This is a historical fact.

- In pre-colonial and colonial times, there was a marked division of territory in Warri. The Ijaws occupied the islands and shores in the Warri South West Axis, the Itsekiris occupied the islands and mainlands close to the coastal areas in Warri South and North while the Urhobos occupied the hinterland with the exception of Okere-Urhobo and Agbassa urhobo who occupied coastal regions
- The Agbassa (Agbara-Ame) People of Warri South Local Government Area were migrants to Warri from their home town of Agbarha-Otor just like the Idjerhe(Jesse) and Oghara people of Ethiope West.
NA URHOBO;IJAW & ITSEKIRI LAND the Portuguese dash Warri. The British moved itsekiri OLU traditional palace from ode-itsekiri to Warri mainland.
The Olu of warri is the monarch of ITSEKIRIS ONLY. so he can add OLU OF NIGERIA to his title should he want & copyright it also.THE URHOBOS,IJAWS Of WARRI.do not give a fvck about the title of the king of the ITSEKIRIS OF WARRI as far as he sticks to collecting royalties from ITSEKIRI BOUNDARY ONLY & ITSEKIRI OWNED OIL WELLS ONLY
The Olu or Ogiame (King) of Warri now only rules the Itsekiri people living in the town of Warri in the Delta State of Nigeria as a traditional leader..


https://www.nairaland.com/2148799/warri-urhobos-itsekiris-ijaws-facts


http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalSubunits/AgbarhaAme/WarriEthnicProblems/AgbarhaReactionToFederalization.htm

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/WACA_judgement.html

http://www.waado.org/CulturalUnits/Okpe/sapele_lands/jackson_judgement.htm

Alright

Imagine how the average Yoruba and Igbo feel when pre colonial Nigeria maps show that the only significant or most significant kingdom/empire was Benin, infact, the map shows the entire Nigeria space as Benin. Benin was in charged of the entire Nigeria space for more than 400 years until the Fulani showed up in the 1800s. Yoruba and Igbo who were nowhere before the 1800s are now trying to distort history. You guys have an uphill task before you because it's impossible for you guys to distort or change Benin history that was internationally recorded and archived.

The fact that your history started proper in the 1800s can't be changed. You guys should learn to live with it. Benin is not your mate when it comes to historical achievements.

Nairalandmonika:

itsekiri is not part of Benin kingdom, more than 500 yrs ago, some people migrated from ile ife to this region know as warri, then a prince from benin which his chiefs came from Benin to the same region, the people from ile ife pledge allegiance to the prince n they formed the iwerre kingdom, while the name of the tribe was itsekiri.

So the kingdom was name is iwerre and the name tribe itsekiri. The iwerre nation has grown and mixed with other kingdom now. And it's what we know as warri today.

So the itsekiri nation was never part of the Benin kingdom

Young Man you should know history is not sentiment, warri was a part and parcel of the Benin empire. your king is being refered to as ogiame-literally translate to king of water, the riverine kingdom in the empire,the name ogie in Benin loosely refered to as Duke under the Benin king who is the Oba. warri was a part and parcel of the Benin kingdom. The itsekiris were not the only ones who got married to the Portuguese, even the Benins and the Esans did too under the supervision and the tutelage of the Benin king. The Benins were never riverine people, so the itsekiris who were always refered to as jekri traders or the middlemen always come in handy here. I for one would think they were even sent by the oba of Benin to help administer trade and bring these people the Portuguese in this case to the hinterland and the palace of the oba of benin. I believe that's how they got to their present location as they are now isolated from their yoruboid brothers. they were not always around I believe they were sent for. you coming to say this is not enough and does not change the fact of history. warri was always an integral part of the Benin empire and is still under Benin traditionally. If them leave una now una go say na Ife he come from God pass una e come carry the name ogiame put for body

UGBE634:
Young Man you should know history is not sentiment, warri was a part and parcel of the Benin empire. your king is being refered to as ogiame-literally translate to king of water, the riverine kingdom in the empire,the name ogie in Benin loosely refered to as Duke under the Benin king who is the Oba. warri was a part and parcel of the Benin kingdom. The itsekiris were not the only ones who got married to the Portuguese, even the Benins and the Esans did too under the supervision and the tutelage of the Benin king. The Benins were never riverine people, so the itsekiris who were always refered to as jekri traders or the middlemen always come in handy here. I for one would think they were even sent by the oba of Benin to help administer trade and bring these people the Portuguese in this case to the hinterland and the palace of the oba of benin. I believe that's how they got to their present location as they are now isolated from their yoruboid brothers. they were not always around I believe they were sent for. you coming to say this is not enough and does not change the fact of history. warri was always an integral part of the Benin empire and is still under Benin traditionally. If them leave una now una go say na Ife he come from God pass una e come carry the name ogiame put for body

Itsekiri are not isolated from other Yoruba groups. It's just Nigerian politics that put them in delta state.
Maintaining a relationship with Bini doesn't mean being under Bini. There was no such arrangement in the polity of both kingdoms running up to the colonisation of the area by the British. Its like saying Itsekiri were under the Portuguese because of the tight relationship they shared.

Although I will say, if at all Itsekiri were ever under Bini, this must have been in the early period after Ginuwa founded the Kingdom. You must realise that Ginuwa himself met the Itsekiri people on ground and they accepted him

If Itsekiri are under Bini, there wouldn't be the tussle over Ologbo and surrounding areas between Bini and Itsekiri

macof:


Itsekiri are not isolated from other Yoruba groups. It's just Nigerian politics that put them in delta state.
Maintaining a relationship with Bini doesn't mean being under Bini. There was no such arrangement in the polity of both kingdoms running up to the colonisation of the area by the British. Its like saying Itsekiri were under the Portuguese because of the tight relationship they shared.

Although I will say, if at all Itsekiri were ever under Bini, this must have been in the early period after Ginuwa founded the Kingdom. You must realise that Ginuwa himself met the Itsekiri people on ground and they accepted him

If Itsekiri are under Bini, there wouldn't be the tussle over Ologbo and surrounding areas between Bini and Itsekiri

you know in history you can't be so absolute with these things, the fact that ginuwa met them on ground in the 15th century does not in any insinuate that they were not sent for, before ginuwa there was no kingdom in itsekiri, they did not evolve any kingdom before ginuwa as at the time ginuwa was sent of to establish a kingdom in the riverine area the Benin empire was already a mighty empire and they were already servant of the Benin king ferrying those men down to the palace. Hence the easy acceptance in the first place. Itsekiri did not do business with the Portuguese as an independent entity, they did as part of the Benin empire. everyone trying to claim his group was independent these days when we know there was only one overlord from the south for over 400 years. As the Portuguese did business with the itsekiris so they did with the Esans especially UROMI whose textile trade was already booming as at the Time of the Portuguese arrival, there was an empire and they all traded as kingdoms but under the BENIN EMPIRE. The itsekiris married the Portuguese, so did esan especially UROMI,then BENIN. Ughoton chiefs were sent as envoys to portugal. those features of marriage, trade relations with the Portuguese were not unique to the itsekiris. it was a common feature in the different part of the EMPIRE that ran as an independent country. OGIAME-it means the king of the riverine kingdom in the empire, that is what it was known as then, ogie today in Benin loosely means duke, king of a sub part of an entity. The fact that the itsekiri are fighting in ologbo today is because they have no where else to call home, they settled there precolonially but that does not the ownership of the town in anyway and they know, it is Edo and Edo all the way there is an enogie there and they are under his jurisdiction, it is an Edo town and they can't change it traditionally, itsekiris did not evolve town ownership, they did not even elvove a kingdom except the ones given to them by the Benins . when I said that warri was under Benin 'traditionally' I meant the stool,no group is under any group today under the Nigeria political space as every group is the ultimate decider of her own destiny and interest. The settings of today's world implies that you staying around the river bank does not cut it anymore , you need actual towns, that is why you see the similar fate among the ijaw and jekri groups, that is why you see the struggle and the fight for space is rife among these two groups, they are riverine folks and did not evolve town ownership. That is why you see them fighting any group that were benevolent enough and allowed them to settle across their river banks historically.

Fact remains that
1. Prince Ginuwa of Benin Family still rule till dates...
2.the original title of olu is Ogiame an Edo world for king of water,river
3.That the kingdom was name Iwerre an Edo world
4.According to Nigeria history the first set of people to meet the white men which are the Portuguese are the Benin people but they are in the hinterlands
J

UGBE634:
you know in history you can't be so absolute with these things, the fact that ginuwa met them on ground in the 15th century does not in any insinuate that they were not sent for, before ginuwa there was no kingdom in itsekiri, they did not evolve any kingdom before ginuwa as at the time ginuwa was sent of to establish a kingdom in the riverine area the Benin empire was already a mighty empire and they were already servant of the Benin king ferrying those men down to the palace. Hence the easy acceptance in the first place. Itsekiri did not do business with the Portuguese as an independent entity, they did as part of the Benin empire. everyone trying to claim his group was independent these days when we know there was only one overlord from the south for over 400 years. As the Portuguese did business with the itsekiris so they did with the Esans especially UROMI whose textile trade was already booming as at the Time of the Portuguese arrival, there was an empire and they all traded as kingdoms but under the BENIN EMPIRE. The itsekiris married the Portuguese, so did esan especially UROMI,then BENIN. Ughoton chiefs were sent as envoys to portugal. those features of marriage, trade relations with the Portuguese were not unique to the itsekiris. it was a common feature in the different part of the EMPIRE that ran as an independent country. OGIAME-it means the king of the riverine kingdom in the empire, that is what it was known as then, ogie today in Benin loosely means duke, king of a sub part of an entity. The fact that the itsekiri are fighting in ologbo today is because they have no where else to call home, they settled there precolonially but that does not the ownership of the town in anyway and they know, it is Edo and Edo all the way there is an enogie there and they are under his jurisdiction, it is an Edo town and they can't change it traditionally, itsekiris did not evolve town ownership, they did not even elvove a kingdom except the ones given to them by the Benins . when I said that warri was under Benin 'traditionally' I meant the stool,no group is under any group today under the Nigeria political space as every group is the ultimate decider of her own destiny and interest. The settings of today's world implies that you staying around the river bank does not cut it anymore , you need actual towns, that is why you see the similar fate among the ijaw and jekri groups, that is why you see the struggle and the fight for space is rife among these two groups, they are riverine folks and did not evolve town ownership. That is why you see them fighting any group that were benevolent enough and allowed them to settle across their river banks historically.

The question now is - sent for from where? I would even add why?
You can't just come and conjure your imagination and say because history doesn't deal with absolutes therefore you keep claiming the same thing that doesn't add up. At least make the narrative have substance so we can know what leads to follow

And I really don't mean this disrespectfully but Benin has never been a mighty empire... A strong and wealthy kingdom with some imperial significance yes but when we line up MIGHTY Empires, we shouldn't be throwing Benin in there so as not to make African history seem disjointed and disorderly.
For context it's like talking about European history and saying Prussia was a mighty empire...no!

I really can't argue against itsekiri ever being part of the Benin empire.. As I said if this was ever the case, it would have been early on around that 15th - 16th century .. Because much later the Portuguese and British clearly deal with Warri as an independent kingdom
For a while Warri was West Africa's Kongo in the sense of how much influence Portugal had on the kingdom, you can't compare that relationship with Esan or Bini. If Portuguese people were like you they would be claiming Itsekiri were under Portugal

Nairalandmonika:
which letter, the one u forged.

then its obvious you don't even know the history about Warri Township

Some people have made it a life mission to belittle Benin.

Benin wasn't a mighty empire yet there was no other Nigeria empire/kingdom that came close for about 400 years that Benin was in control. Not until the 1800s that any other kingdom had a voice.

Benin wasn't a mighty empire yet was the only significant and most powerful empire/kingdom the Europeans met on ground when they first arrived what latter became Nigeria.

Benin wasn't a mighty empire, yet international landmarks was named after her.

Itsekiri history says their monarchy was started by a Benin prince and it still remains so till date, the Olu's mother being Yoruba can't change that.

macof:

The question now is - sent for from where? I would even add why?
You can't just come and conjure your imagination and say because history doesn't deal with absolutes therefore you keep claiming the same thing that doesn't add up. At least make the narrative have substance so we can know what leads to follow

And I really don't mean this disrespectfully but Benin has never been a mighty empire... A strong and wealthy kingdom with some imperial significance yes but when we line up MIGHTY Empires, we shouldn't be throwing Benin in there so as not to make African history seem disjointed and disorderly.
For context it's like talking about European history and saying Prussia was a mighty empire...no!

I really can't argue against itsekiri ever being part of the Benin empire.. As I said if this was ever the case, it would have been early on around that 15th - 16th century .. Because much later the Portuguese and British clearly deal with Warri as an independent kingdom
For a while Warri was West Africa's Kongo in the sense of how much influence Portugal had on the kingdom, you can't compare that relationship with Esan or Bini. If Portuguese people were like you they would be claiming Itsekiri were under Portugal

See you guys argue vindictively out here, your attempt to prove a point made you made that comment that Benin was not an empire at least not one that's mighty to you, you know you can only argue on that basics,that if Benin was not an empire then warri ran as an independent entity. these are some of the reasons why west Africa history is chequered, ego and pride. God knows I wouldn't have responded to him if he had not said warri was NEVER under Benin and you know this is an outright lie. if at all it happened that way you know the strongest years of Benin was still around that 15th and 16th century. under ewuakpe in the 18th century, the empire and the economic fortunes began to dwindle. No body is trying to subdue any group. An itsekiri man is an equal anytime any day if he knows his worth. humanity cut it for me more than anything else. when it comes to marriage and trade with the Portuguese, the reality on ground does not support your argument, UROMI has some of the most European-like features than anywhere else in Nigeria