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Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by Nobody: 11:52pm On Apr 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Please don't curse anyone again!

Jesus hate curses simply because someone hurt you! Luke 9:51-56

Rather pray for people because what is ahead is much more than that, many people will PERISH during the impending great tribulation so this is not the time to CURSE your neighbour my baby girl! undecided
OK this isn't me as I hardly gets angry, he went as far as concorting lies and staging chats of trying to get money from him,this is someone I've never even quoted not to talk of chatting offline, this is someone that cant live my kind of life,I didn't even know his Monika, he went too far and when I say things in anger they come to pass on the person hence the reason I hardly curse. He really went too far
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by 1Sharon(f): 12:00am On Apr 16, 2021
Rozcol:
OK this isn't me as I hardly gets angry, he went as far as concorting lies and staging chats of trying to get money from him,this is someone I've never even quoted not to talk of chatting offline, this is someone that cant live my kind of life,I didn't even know his Monika, he went too far and when I say things in anger they come to pass on the person hence the reason I hardly curse. He really went too far
Shiver me timbers!!
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by Nobody: 12:05am On Apr 16, 2021
1Sharon:
Shiver me timbers!!
We are humans but different in our own ways
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by Nobody: 12:05am On Apr 16, 2021
1Sharon:
Shiver me timbers!!
We are humans but different in our own ways,life is full of mysteries but only the gullible ones live carelessly
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by kimco(m): 1:18am On Apr 16, 2021
Ihedinobi3:
Regarding the insult matter, I'm sorry to hear that. Wherever emotionally charged subjects are discussed, that is often a risk. I try to be clinical in my approach to these discussions myself so that I can avoid negative emotions from myself and others. That is why I am no longer as visible here as I used to be.

Regarding your question, this is something I found on the definition of a defense attorney's job:

The following tasks are characteristic of a criminal lawyer’s occupation:

Interviewing witnesses
Performing legal research
Creating exhibits for demonstrations in court
Accruing additional evidence in support of their case or for arguments against the prosecution’s charges
Examining the crime scene
Gathering expert witnesses to testify in court

--https://www.lawyeredu.org/criminal-defense.html

That is, in order to prove that a client is not guilty, the US defense attorney actually does the work of building his own case including counterarguments and witness testimonies to show that the accusation made against his client either has no merit or at least is doubtful to some degree.

This example is only to illustrate a principle. The idea that you have no responsibility to make a case if you are only doubting a claim is completely false. It is a cop-out created by atheists to avoid doing the hard work of thinking about their position. Everybody has a reason for doubting whatever they doubt. The question for the atheist is what makes their doubt reasonable.

The issue of evidence is easy enough to solve...if the atheist is actually willing to be reasonable about it. But is he? In my experience and as a matter of principle, the atheist is not.

That is why the question of evidence remains for the atheist.

In short, the atheist has a responsibility to make a case for his doubt, even if "there is no God" is this so-called null hypothesis (not that I see how it is).
Ihe....the criminal lawyer's job is quite a lot depending on the context.

1. If the client pleads guilty, his work changes.

2. If the client pleads innocent his work changes

3. If the client pleads innocent but all evidence (which he is privy to) points to him being guilty, his works changes

4. If the client pleads innocent and the evidence against him/her seems weak...his work changes.

5. But in all cases the criminal lawyer's job is just one....establish reasonable doubt (or plead for a lesser punishment, in fewer circumstances) That's the whole point....

Whether you agree with it or not, the null hypothesis remains "God does not exist"
In order to move past that very first hypothesis, one is required to provide proof of otherwise. God exist is an established truth, not a fact. In order for you to make an established truth into a fact, you must first provide proof of it....


Example 1 + 1 = 2 is fact, anyone who claims otherwise is expected provide evidence.

Women are the weaker sex is an established truth, anyone can query that claim without needing to providing evidence to the contrary. The one making the initial claim is expected to establish that fact... Then anyone who questions it will have to provide his/her evidence.

Facts != Truth

Null hypo still remains "God does not exist"
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by MaxInDHouse(m):
Blakjewelry:
like I told you before, I only do this online to test brain power. if JW comes to my hood, they don't spend up to 10 minutes as tend to give the accurate answer to questions asked. now let me school you on why your answer to Elijah was wrong. In the apocrypha of Abraham, Abraham was taken up to heaven and he discovered heaven has different levels with one God lives as the highest of which no man can transcend it is believed that it is the lower ones that Enoch and Elijah was taken to, even the apostle Paul mentioned same go find out
This is what a human being who thinks he is wise gets when you abandon the good things chosen ones sent by God to TEACH you His word presented to you!
(Aprocypha of Abraham) taken to heaven only to discover that heaven has different levels with one God lives as the highest of which no man can transcend!
So you concluded you've gotten something better than what those who believe only the 66 books had.
But of what BENEFIT is your knowledge? undecided
Alarm blow, No benefits! huh
Just carry something in your brains instead of the real inspired writings!
And you think Satan hasn't caught you in his webs shey? cheesy

Blakjewelry:
lol I was once like you but unlike you, my taste for knowledge new no bounds. for a fact no jw are one of the only few people who have deep knowledge about the Bible, I have there also. but when I decided to study actually belief system of the ancient Hebrews in relation to other cultures around that period, I discovered they share similarities and some of them are actually derived from the previous cultures
If anyone listen to this nonsense you typed from the onset such a person may even think you have something tangible to offer!

I think the youth and majority of Nigerians are getting it wrong on this sowore issue.

I will try to make it brief, and I will be addressing the issue on two front based on their reason for castigating him.

1. The believe that he is part of the machinery that brought down gej government which made it easy for buhari to win the 2015 election.
Patriotism is toward ones own country and not toward a particular government for government comes and go but the country remains, so its the duty of every right thinking person to push the government to do more and if government of the day is not living up to expectations, it must give way for another and if the new one fails it too must give way.

For the more than 20 years of democracy Nigeria is still faced with same problems and challenges we have been struggling with years ago, so if sowore fought against Jonathan and decided to fight buhari shows he did what he did not because he was bribed or promised some juicy package but he being patriotic toward his own country and believe Nigeria deserve better.

2. Because he contested and failed has President. Well I don't think he contested because he believed he was going to win especially considering the nature of Nigerian politics and electoral system, rather its a way to show the youth that yes we too can do it without godfatherism and political patronage for therein lies some of our problems.

You can actually see that from the way and manner the ministers were appointed recently, political sponsors and prebargain deals were considered first before putting the interest of the country. Else why would someone go and do Thanksgiving in church for a political appointment or go and visit a political overlord to say thank you all because he or she was call to serve.
He also lead the way to show how fund are being raised for election in the civilized world and not to sell the country to political sponsors in preelection bargain.
Yes some will still argue that why did he contested at all, this will lead me back to the case of the resignation of onigbinde, you criticising the government doesn't mean if you are invited to make your own contributions you will say no for if every good man stay out of politics then we all are doomed.
Yes you can make your own contributions but in working for government if you are ask to go against your own principle and convictions, you quit to maintain your integrity, so his actions in those instances are very correct.
So instead of bashing here and there, we all should come together and put up a strong front, for while we are divided down here by tribalism, religion etc, they are very much united up there for a common loot.
And after all what your apocrypha of Abraham taught you here you are back where Satan want you to be right in the midst of youths laying down their lives for political and nationalistic struggle so that you can be fully provoked to join other youths in carrying weapons to start killing people in the name of POLITICS! Revelations 6:3-4
Well i'll implore you to humble yourself for divine wisdom because it's not sold in the market place otherwise people like:
Kwame Nkrumah (Ghana)
Mu'ammar Al-Qadhdhāfí (Libya)
Thomas Sankara (Burkina Faso)
Obafemi Awolowo (Nigeria)
MKO Abíólá (Nigeria)
Nelson Mandela (South Africa)

would have bought it. They all died for Political struggle and what about the vision they had for their respective nations?
It all ended in disappointment! embarassed
So choose wisely my friend Satan has just sold foolishness to you with uncertainty in exchange for the divine wisdom! Isaiah 55:2
Thanks for your time and may you have PEACE! smiley
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by Nobody: 6:19am On Apr 16, 2021
The Atheists treat science like it is the only
path to truth, the religious people treat religion like it is the only path to truth.

If either of these two really contained the
whole truth then we would be able to solve
all the world's problem.

As for me my Scientific beliefs do not come
in conflict with my spiritual beliefs.

Because both science and religions for me
are simply means to an end.

They are models i use for explaining things i
don't understand.

When science fails to fully explain something
to me i turn to the Ascended Master Teachings.

All Religious People and Atheists should watch this video, it will help to explain a lot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uh9eIBGmE
Re: Why Do Atheists Know The Bible Even Better Than Christians? by Ihedinobi3: 9:41am On Apr 16, 2021
kimco:
Ihe....the criminal lawyer's job is quite a lot depending on the context.

1. If the client pleads guilty, his work changes.

2. If the client pleads innocent his work changes

3. If the client pleads innocent but all evidence (which he is privy to) points to him being guilty, his works changes

4. If the client pleads innocent and the evidence against him/her seems weak...his work changes.

5. But in all cases the criminal lawyer's job is just one....establish reasonable doubt (or plead for a lesser punishment, in fewer circumstances) That's the whole point....

Whether you agree with it or not, the null hypothesis remains "God does not exist"
In order to move past that very first hypothesis, one is required to provide proof of otherwise. God exist is an established truth, not a fact. In order for you to make an established truth into a fact, you must first provide proof of it....


Example 1 + 1 = 2 is fact, anyone who claims otherwise is expected provide evidence.

Women are the weaker sex is an established truth, anyone can query that claim without needing to providing evidence to the contrary. The one making the initial claim is expected to establish that fact... Then anyone who questions it will have to provide his/her evidence.

Facts != Truth

Null hypo still remains "God does not exist"
I don't think that the different circumstances of a US defense attorney's job ever absolves him of a responsibility to build a case for his client. You can only take that position if your own livelihood is not on the line and you are not thinking right about it.

1. If a client pleads guilty, then the defense attorney only has to make a case for why his punishment should not be too great, if that applies at all. Otherwise, the defense attorney has nothing at all to do.

2. If a client pleads not guilty, then the defense attorney has to build a case to prove that the prosecution is either misrepresenting events or else is ignorant of the truth in the matter. This is in spite of the fact that in the US, the accused is assumed innocent until proven guilty.

3. If a client pleads not guilty amidst damning evidence, the US defense attorney is responsible to show that the evidence is either wrong or inapplicable to the case for some reason.

4. If a client pleads not guilty amidst weak evidence, the US defense attorney will almost certainly make a case for throwing the case out of court.

5. The whole point is that the basis on which a US defense attorney can establish anything or plead for anything is a reasonable argument. If the defense attorney does not make a case, the client will get nothing but a condemnation from the judge. That is the whole point.

I asked before what you call this null hypothesis. Until now, you have not defined it. I don't know what you mean by the term. Until you define it, I cannot have an opinion one way or another.

As for facts and truths, I confess I am perhaps only seeing this approach for the second time in my life. The first time was some years ago. I suppose the question to ask is "are facts true?"

I have no interest in debating this matter of facts and truths. I consider any confusion about them a consequence of a rejection of manifest reason or common sense. Therefore, there is no gain in discussing it any further.

What is debatable is a claim. A claim may be true or false. Therefore, it is debated to establish its truth or falsity. A truth or fact is not debatable. It is either accepted or rejected. Rejection will not make it false. It will only produce consequences commensurate with the degree of rejection. If one rejects the truth or fact of the existence of a wall in one's path and therefore maintains motion in that direction, then one will collide with that wall and experience the consequences that apply to that collision.
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