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Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Daum: 9:06am On Apr 16, 2021 |
Efewestern: Efe my man. Ologbo is an Edo land. Let me shock you, do you know that according to itsekiri Ikaye story, it was the Oba of Benin who granted him the right to stay in Ologbo. How can they now turn around to own a place that was give to them for occupancy. Do you know that the Land which the uhrobos of Oghara Kingdom seat on was once the Oba's land and they paid annual rent for it. Visit uhrobowaado for confirmation. The Oghara people came from Agbhara-otor to settle in that land. Today they're the owners of the land. But historically they paid rent for it. So how can Ologbo that is in our backyard. Like Ologbo that is just 15 minutes from Benin not be for the Oba. Reason am now.... Haba |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Daum: 9:13am On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: How can you say the itsekiris have occupied Ologbo for 500 years. Stop this lie. Go and visit the itsekirichat website. You will see how the Itsekiris came to even settle in Ologbo. If you apply the same laws of occupancy, then you will see why the itsekiris will barely own any land in Warri. I for one have never claimed them. I see no need for that. We won't do that. But everything in Edo south is under the lordship of the Oba of Benin. This is how it will remain till this country fades away |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 9:26am On Apr 16, 2021 |
macof: I am trying to restrain myself right now, do you guys suffer from the same selective amnesia? This is the link below, read it or are you claiming you can't open it. I doubt if you know the meaning of the words you use. Read and tell us if you are not the ignorant person here. This is the direct qoute, starting with I in the first person. It's an eyewitness accounts not a work by anyone else. The rest of the qoute that talk about Alaafin informing the British governor that his predecessor paid tributes to Benin is in the link. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war." "This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620 https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by gregyboy(m): 9:28am On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Lol, i told you bring old European text acknowledging such wars... You're bringing me uk web, who probably got their information from Wikipedia ..... If Oyo was this popular and throughout European visit during the precolonial times they never knew such self proclaimed empire existed... Oyo became the self proclaimed empire at the 16 century when Europeans were already 2 centuries in west africa and they didnt notice is existence.... Nawa Togo was colonized by france definitely France who had been around the Togo region at then should have notice this war, and definitely noted it, it was a big war involving different kingdom across empires So without any further discussion i need ancient European text supporting this war Or get me local report from the individual empires that fought this war acknowledging its authenticity that it wasnt just made up by one lunatic and circulated by a yoruba tribal bigot Or else end this mythical nonsense talk or face further disgrace while i shatter the self proclaimed non existed empire of oyo Mtcheew, i dont even allow my fellow bini kinsmen to talk in myth when addressing bini history, would it now be a yoruba i would want to allow This is 21st century were info is everywere and one can easily do research from home, So go and hide and do a proper research of that war you brought up there before I would listen to you If you can't prove it then don't bring it 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Christistruth00: 9:31am On Apr 16, 2021 |
gregyboy: Oyo defeated the Asanti of Ghana in the Battle of Atakpame in Togo in 1764. 2 Likes
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Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by UGBE634: 9:45am On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk:My brother, that is their forte, they glory in it |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 9:51am On Apr 16, 2021 |
UGBE634: My brother, I am sometimes amazed by these people's barefaced ignorance, he asked for an eyewitness account, I provided it with a link, the guy still rather wallow in his ignorance. The narrative was from the person that visited the Alaafin. |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by UGBE634: 10:01am On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk:The fact is that their attempt to subdue Benin will not and has not been working for them. We are not illiterate they will throw anything at and we will take it, majority of Benins are now schooled and we know our history more than anything else now. The world knows if there was anything like a true and pristine empire that ran as an independent country in terms of organization, structure and international relations in the south of Nigeria, it is definitely the Benin country and empire. These Barbarians are envious of our history and they are trying to subvert it, it will not work,not this 21century. DOMO |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 10:13am On Apr 16, 2021 |
UGBE634: You are very correct. These guys can hardly provide any eyewitness historical accounts to backup their lies, fabrications and fairytales earlier than 1800s. Benin is not their mate, our eyewitness historical accounts are dated back to the 1400s. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by gregyboy(m): 10:34am On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Traders report, can we get the traders exact quote was it a European trader, no reference to this trader name Dahomey recognized oyo as a strong empire sane Dahomey oyo couldn't defeat that part oyo defeated was a yoruba clan who migrated to Dahomey areas Oyo couldn't go to the seat of the Dahomey king and sack it, just the way the Fulani sacked the alafin That European writer was probably writing to impress and sell is book Go and read the works of afc Ryder and how detailed is work are on benin history and documentation We want to know the traders exact quote and who reported to, how the war went Oyo would just leave her territory to wage war on long distance Kingdom unprovoked |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 10:37am On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: The first Europeans didn't visit Oyo until 1826. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited and started documenting Oyo history. So how can you back up your 1764 date? If you say the Ghanaians told you this, could Ghanaians read and write in 1764 to document this war, if so please provide the eyewitness historical sources. If this date didn't come from the Ghanaians, was it documented by Europeans and please provide the European eyewitness sources. People dishing out cock and bull stories as history is no longer allowed, you make a claim, you will be requested for eyewitness historical sources. Have you not noticed that TAO11 has been missing from here for days now because she can't meet this simple requirement. 1 Like |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by macof(m): 11:00am On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk: You are the one suffering psychological issues. A 1911 document that can't be verified.. It can't be accessed, no author named.. Only one sentence visible..saying a one time unnamed alaafin paid Tribute to Benin. If this is what you call eye witness account then you are mad. You talk about eye witness accounts, when you have eye witnesses who attest to witnessing the alaafin pay tribute mention them not a 1911 document that doesn't even mention the name of the Alaafin who paid the tribute, and certainly not a document that has no named author and only a snippet view 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 1:57pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
macof: Here is the title, goggle it. I have provided the relevant passage to support my eyewitness accounts. Like I said before, the first time the Europeans visited Oyo was in 1826. I have also provided an account of what they found on ground. I have also supported my points with eyewitness sources. Journal of a second expedition into the interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo Book by Hugh Clapperton. The book was first published in 1829. Copy and paste it on Google. Page 41 contains my first quote from the book, read it for the rest because you guys don't like reading but dwells on fairytales. A brief biography of Hugh Clapperton. After serving in the Royal Navy in Canada, Hugh Clapperton (1788-1827) participated in two expeditions to the interior of Africa. Richard Lander (1804-34), a young Cornishman who had travelled widely in the service of previous employers, applied to accompany him on the second expedition, during which Clapperton died. Lander published this edition of Clapperton's journal in 1829; an expanded version (also available in this series) appeared the following year. Clapperton's account of his experiences is informal, lively and vivid, describing hospitality and annoyances, discomforts and pleasures. Although its language and attitudes are typical of the early colonial period, it remains a valuable source for West African history. The book also contains a short biography of Clapperton, Lander's emotional account of his master's illness and death, and his journal of his lonely return journey. The appendix includes meteorological observations, notes on Arabic documents, and Yoruba vocabulary. |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Christistruth00: 2:07pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk: The Europeans at the Coast heard about the defeat of the Ashanti by Oyo from the Ewe and Dahomey who were involved and had Sea Ports The battle of Atakpame is a very important part of Ashanti History ask any of them. Oyo and Dahomey defeated them at that time Dahomey was still a tributary of the Alaafin of Oyo The Ashanti deposed their King Nana Kusi Obodom after their defeat. It was an important turning Point in their History. By 1774 When Aare Oona Kakanfo Oyabi and Alaafin Abiodun killed Basorun Gaa , Oyo had already Won Badagry and Port Novo Sea Ports from the Dahomey after Dahomey rebelled against Oyo and European Sailors traded with Oyo at those Ports. Aare Oona Kakanfo Oyabi and his Army were garrisoned at the Port Town of Porto Novo which Yorubas called Ajase before 1774 That was where Alaafin Abiodun went to in disguise in order to Plot with Oyabi the downfall of Basorun Gaa. You can see that by 1774 the Oyos were in full control of and trading directly with the Europeans at Badagry and Porto Novo Sea Ports. 3 Likes
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Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 3:38pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Which Oyo traded with European in 1774. The first time the Oyo people and the Alaafin set their eyes on the white man was in 1826, read the eyewitness accounts of the encounter. Journal of a second expedition into the interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo Book by Hugh Clapperton. The book was first published in 1829. Read from page 38. The Alaafin told the British that visited in 1826 that they have heard about the white man but that was the first time they were seeing one, his forefathers never saw the white man. When was the book you are quoting from written? And by whom. |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Christistruth00: 4:09pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk: Go and find out the year the Oyo Army took over Badagry and Porto Novo Sea Ports from Dahomey It was Aare Oona Kakanfo Oyabi of Ajase ( Porto Novo) that Won it. The Alaafin didn’t need to leave his Palace before sending the. Oyo Army to ffght the rebelling Dahomians at the Sea Coast. His Army Commander was already there on his Orders representing him. That will open your eyes. 3 Likes |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 4:17pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: You are the one making the claims, you need to show us the eyewitness historical evidence the way I have provided my sources for the first European visit to Oyo in 1826. We no longer allow fairytales, you can't make an unsubstantiated claims and ask me to go and find the evidence. Make your claims and provide the eyewitness evidence. This is how TAO11 lies and fairytales were shutdown. |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Christistruth00: 4:32pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk: Does that mean the Oyo Army was not garrisoned at Porto Novo on the Coast in 1774 after driving the Dahomians from the Town ? Who do you think Oyo Sold Slaves to at Badagry and Porto Novo Sea Ports was it not Europeans ? Are you one of those People who believes that Black History didn’t exist till the Whites arrived to confirm it ? 6 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by samuk: 4:43pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
Christistruth00: You are asking questions you should be answering. What I expected from you is very simple, tell us who Oyo sold slaves to at Port Novo Sea Ports and provide us the source for your claims. What I am asking is very simple, provide your eyewitness sources, by this way, people just can't wake up and start making claims that can't be backed up. Mind you, I am not saying Oyo didn't sell slaves, I am only asking for references to this part of Oyo history and the sources have to be first hand accounts. If I were to make the claim that Benin empire once extended to Egypt, would you not demand for prove or just admit it as true. |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Christistruth00: 5:07pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk: Have you seen where it says the Oyos Chief trading Centre was at Abomey Calavi Well look at the Map very very well Abomey Calavi is Just outside Cotonou on the Coast of Dahomey and is linked to the Atlantic Ocean. Do you know Yoruba is spoken in Cotonou ? It was while the Oyos were busy fighting Power drunk Afonja and the Fulanis that Dahomey took advantage and retook full control of Cotonou. But Oyo managed to hold on to Porto Novo and Badagry 3 Likes
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Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by macof(m): 6:09pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk: Hugh Clapperton does not in anywhere in his journal state that Oyo paid tributes to Benin 5 Likes |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by TAO11(f): 7:40pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk:You’re a delusional and ret.arded fraud. (1) Wait! Hold on a second! Let me get this straight: (A) A war took place between an Ashanti army and an Oyo Calvary in a location far away from Oyo homeland. (B) IF only eUrOpEaNs had visited the Oyo capital (Oyo-Ile) in the 1700s. (C) Then such visit of eUrOpEaNs to Oyo-Ile would have reported such war as an eYeWiTnEsS account ?? Wow! @samuk’s already-low IQ is clearly retarding at the speed of light. (2) Oyo’s military/imperial activities & campaigns of the 1700s (in the Dahomey, Togo and ‘Ghana’ region) were captured by the eYeWitNess account of the eUroPeAn slave trader Archibald Dalzel. He was the then Governor at the Cape-Coast Castle in today’s Ghana. His work (besides other writings earlier than his) was entitled “The History of Dahomy,” published 17th June 1793. Is this my first time of educating you on this? NOPE! Then why are you repeating falsehood? Well, you’re simply being yourself — a fraud. Cc: Christistruth00, macof 13 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by TAO11(f): 7:45pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
macof:He is suffering from a major delusion. 4 Likes |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by TAO11(f): 8:00pm On Apr 16, 2021 |
samuk:Are you partially amnesiac to have quickly forgotten how your claim of tribute payment was debunked at the link below? https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413 Cheers! Cc: macof, Christistruth00 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by TAO11(f): 12:45am On Apr 17, 2021 |
Christistruth00:Yes! But you forgot to debunk his comedic dream-cum-false claim. No inch of land from eastern Yorubaland was ever ruled by Benin. He is obliged to provide any account emanating from an eastern Yoruba kingdom which says Benin ruled them. If he replies you on this, then please mention me along. 9 Likes |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by SirNewtonNG: 12:17am On Feb 22, 2022 |
Alba3: No mind the idiot just like their British masters they see us as masters hence the phone wey e dash us They see us like the British, i mean our sons have been ruling them for 1000 years 1 Like |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by SirNewtonNG: 12:17am On Feb 22, 2022 |
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Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Theplotter: 9:54pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
gregyboy: I would have just gone through this post without mentioning anybody, but i really need to mention you because you are exceedingly stupid. First, you called Yoruba people useless people. Yoruba gave you your royalty, your Royal language, your art and civilization,yet you called them useless. If Yoruba people are indeed useless, you would not take pride in giving Yoruba names to Edo children. Yorubas are useless yet your people consult Ifa. No, i don't think they are useless, i think you are. With every post you make, you always try to spite the Yoruba people, infact, you intentionally create post that will tarnish Yoruba. But here is the truth... Your tribe can never be equal with Yoruba. Yorubas had set a great pace that non of your kind can match. Talking about itsekiri kingship. The Yoruba guy is king already, all this trash you are saying does not change a thing. What we will do, we will do. When Yorubas are ready to deal with the likes of You who had betrayed the blood of Oduduwa which we generously gave to you, Benin would become completely irrelevant. Without the Oba dynasty we have to you, you are just disgusting savages under the Ogisos. Oranmiyan civilized your ancestors and made you think like men, but today, you hate us. But the truth is you can not shake is of. We Yorubas own every inch of Benin. And there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing..... You can't fight us because we are not your mate. You can only beg us as your ancestors always do. And you can never physically clash with any Yoruba clan. We Yorubas colonized Benin and so, Benin is one of our many colonies. Get that into your thick skull... 4 Likes |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Jameseddi1: 12:37pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Theplotter: Ondo Ekiti Lagos think otherwise |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Jameseddi1: 12:44pm On Feb 26, 2022 |
Soon we will send Oyo and Ife people back to Benin republic. As Benin Ado was only the place south Nigeria was identified as your Oyo was only found in Benin republic around 17th 18th century. I wonder why the British even give Yoruba power self after conquering Benin |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Nisiw365: 3:24pm On Feb 27, 2022 |
Jameseddi1:Yoruba own the whole of benin. Benin population is 100k. When nigeria divides, we will take back our benin. We are not 60 million for nothing 3 Likes |
Re: Itsekiris Finally Discard 1979 Edict Insist That They Are Yorubas Not Bini by Jameseddi1: 11:20pm On Feb 27, 2022 |
Nisiw365: Yoruba is not even up to and half of current Edoid tribe talkes of old Edo empire. |
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