post=101094303:

No he is not,
BUT,




SECONDED.
After thorough investigation, if found guilty, he should be arrested or resigned honourably.

With all without Pantami, the NIN must go on with the next person coming in.

NIN is not Patamin's family business that will stop if he is removed, so do not get it confused.
NIN is not about a person but about our darling Country moving forward.

A better Nigeria is all we want.
A better Nigeria is what we shall get.
God bless Nigeria.

Addendum:
Notice to Fraudsters and Criminals : With or Without Pantami, According to Law, YOU MUST LINK YOUR SIM WITH YOUR NIN.
And save millions of Nigeria from being scammed and end kidnapping in our nation...... una hear?


Thanks Mr Odewale.
God bless you.

You are too myopic in your reasoning if not, you would have asked yourself why the NIN is not attached to the votors register.
From the look of things that in Nigeria, I can't even imagine how people like you have not realized that the beginning of all the problems we are facing today including the Yahoo Yahoo you people keep talking about is a product of wrong electoral process in NIGERIA.

How I wish you could have a little sense for once.

As a jihadist like our president and all the marauders causing havoc and killing school innocent teenagers all over the country...he cant be touched...

They turned my beloved country into a mess...

When Kemi Adeosun strutted in fake documents that proved the vetting process was always a joke. Lets stop pretending like this isn't the case. The

jaxxy:


When Jonathan and diezani were there flexing on our patrimony cluelessly what did the North want??

U guys just say anything to suit urselves.

You're really not intelligent. I'm struggling to decide if I should even give you a meaningful reply or simply disregard.

Your emotional outburst does not mean im not telling it like it is. (as if i just broke news)

"Government" is all about who occupies the presidential seat abi...see why im doubting your intelligence. Maybe you're one of those that scored 60 on Waec but still received university admission.

btw it's mighty ikenna that's speaking not "you guys"

Dead country.

pantami is pantomime

With all the money Nigeria has and brains wasting?Hypocrisy and bigotry and nepotism wont let us grow....

no transparency...is it goat working at CBN?all the federal parastatals?me have suffered to find job and got none over a decade ago...too late now and can never .Majority of thier children are drug users and harlots...they hide their children cos they are public nuisance to ordinary men when they go out with expensive toys gotten from stolen wealth...both thier sons and daughrers dirty pigs....useless..only few are not addicts...leave them...thier future is already ruined in front of them....they hide their kids...adults oooo...

Only a full breed bastard will have tons of money to dig borehole for his family and refuse to do it but prefer to go send the money begging neighbors he need a bag of sachet pure water...A pure breed bastard...Thats our leaders.


PS...You have to bribe or know a top ranking officer to join the army...Bribe to serve the country...bribe to join armed firces.

TarOrfeeek:
They ought to convert the DSS and NIA offices to a beer parlour


And all the current staff, from the DG to Driver should work there as waiters.



At least FG will get some consumption tax and VAT, instead of the total uselessness that those agencie are.

hahahahahah,,you are highly mouthed sir..I love dis

[quote author=ChizzyBuna post=101094330]The name Isa in Arabic means Jesus
So in English translation
His name is Jesus Pantami
Jesus Pantami fighting against Jesus Followers.
This Life No Balance[/quote



is jesus an english name?

A complete charade and opportunity for lobbying.

rxmusa:
Of Isa Pantami, Jihad and a Culture of Blackmail by Eseoghene Al-Faruq Ohwojeheri

To say people are blackmailing Isa Ali Pantami because he is going to be President is to reduce the issue.

They are blackmailing him because he is a Muslim Cleric that is a Minister. Some people can't just stand this because for too long Muslims have been put on the defensive and we have allowed it. Muslims on the other hand can stand Osibanjo, a Pastor, even if he quotes from the Bible, no issue.

Now this is for SOME people. Does this mean there are no issues to clarify? No. There are issues to clarify and this has nothing to do with politics.

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Afghanistan Taliban. They don't carry out suicide bombings, they don't target innocent people, they are only fighting for a country they use to govern before they were kicked out. Matter of fact the Americans are presently in negotiation with them. And we pray the issues are resolved. So if Pantani praised the Afghanistan Taliban, there is nothing wrong there. The UN praised them for eradicating opium, I mean total eradication. The US use to praise them before they had issues, so why can't Pantami praise them?

2. His praise of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda came years ago, before certain things became clearer. He never praised Bin Laden for bombing World Trade Centre. It was the general notion among Muslims (and many non Muslims) at the time that Bin Laden was framed hence he was seen as a hero. As Muslims began to get convinced (rightly or wrongly) that Bin Laden did carry out the attacks, everyone started criticizing him and taking his pictures off their profile and denouncing his ideology. I am not going to go into if Bin Laden actually did what he is accused of as I honestly don't know as of today. But regular Muslims, including Pantami denounce killing innocent people. I am Admin of a Muslim Facebook group with over 20k members and it was only one person ever that supported suicide bombings. Not only did everyone attack him, people hated me and fought me for not removing him from the group, but I argued that we can use argument to change him, my beloved brothers said Islam does not even allow you to be associated with such person. Today we don't know where he is and nobody cares.

3. The other extraneous quote they have dragged in saying Sheikh Uthaymin says Jihad is until Islam is the system all over is just normal. If you have a good system you will want to spread it. Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No, we will continue to propagate Islam. And in places where we are more and most powerful we will operate our system (as some have done to a small extent in some Northern States and as the Christians are doing in the Vetican), but will we force someone else to be Muslim? No, ISLAM forbids it. So what is the problem here? That we feel our faith is best? When has that become a crime? The Sheikh Uthaymin and "Saudi Salafi" that you are attacking and claiming they promote extremism are the same scholars that denounced Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So why are you confused? Or maybe your target is Islam itself.

4. The worse thing they quoted him as saying is that "we all like it when the unbelievers are being killed...." But I had someone who understand Hausa listen to the lecture and he didn't say that. So we are still searching for where he said that. But even by the translation he went ahead to say "unbelievers cannot be killed for no reason", so what was he trying to say exactly? This point is very important. It is how people misunderstand the Quran. The few verses that talks about war gave the believers PERMISSION to fight in that instance of war because ordinarily they were instructed to be peaceful. If there was no instruction to fight it would mean sit there and be slaughtered. And that is suicide which is also forbidden in Islam.

First, had Islam been based on violence, there would be no need for verses that specifically gives permission to fight in the event of a war.

Secondly, in giving this specific permission the Qur'an says unbelievers. Does it mean fight any unbeliever you see on the road? No, there were unbelievers living with the Prophet while he was fighting other unbelievers that came to attack him in Medina. So when the Quran says unbelievers it already explained which unbelievers it was talking about when it says "fight THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU" so it didn't need to be repeating "unbelievers who fight you" no scripture and nobody speaks like that. Of course if "the unbelievers" invade a Muslim land and starts killing them for nothing, it will make us happy when the Muslim Army have a upper hand and kill these "unbelievers". Does that include killing Mr. Mathew in Nigeria who did not invade a Muslim land and slaughter Muslims and raped our women? Of course not. This is common sense.

If it is not enough that every Muslim you know person to person is peaceful and does not even have a weapon not to talk of being violent, then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that the Quran expressly says "there is no compulsion in (the acceptance) of religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and you still want to force yourself to believe that Islam says to kill the non-Muslims because they didn't accept Islam then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you.

So no, let us not reduce it to the usual politics. Let us instead use this opportunity to educate our Christian neighbours about the concept of Jihad and ask them to stop blackmailing us with it.

rxmusa
I badly wanted to answer you but my battery is just %10

Islam is a curse on earth and a threat to world peace.

cpanelisclala:
Nairaland members, abeg who is this fucking son of a bitch called Pantami

He's a sonofabitch that likes to steal pants

I no like dis Cubana
him too Make Noise

seangy4konji:
As a jihadist like our president and all the marauders causing havoc and killing school innocent teenagers all over the country...he cant be touched...

They turned my beloved country into a mess...

May God Help Us

dre11:
The Senate/SSS screenings are compulsory checks before a nominated public officer assumes office, but Nigerians have argued that they are a waste of taxpayers’ funds.



https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/457283-analysis-pantamis-case-portrays-screenings-by-sss-senate-as-charade.html

Nigeria! Anything goes if you're well-connected.

After much reflection, in my opinion, I think if he should be removed from a sensitive or high position for now, it won't be a bad thing. He can also be able to appear before Senate and have a vote of confidence.

He on his own can have some talks in schools and in society.


He can be an advocate for tolerance.


Majority of Nigerians are or were tribalist and religionists.


From my understanding, what he did was bad, but it is forgivable, we have to learn to forgive ourselves.

It is not a crime to love your fellow Nigerian.


The case of Treasury re-directors and corrupt people, should have more punishment involved.


This case is about if its forgive now, or forgive later after punishment.

I just don't think he needs to be over condemned depending on evidence of crime.

iceberylin:
Buhari is a Terrorist Pantami is a Terrorist DSS is home of Terrorists The Senate is full of Terrorists All service chiefs are terrorists Most state Governors are Terrorists
It's not a joke anymore

You could be arrested for such reckless comment.

Nigeria will get better when criminals like these are jailed

rxmusa:

Oloribu obun! Who were the Crusaders? They are CHRISTIANS and KILLED MILLIONS.
Notwithstanding, killing innocents is unlawful and unjustified and that's what Islam teaches

His question was; have you seen a Christian kill anyone in the name of his religion?

Answer the question and then ask him the question in return. Ready?

cpanelisclala:
Nairaland members, abeg who is this fucking son of a bitch called Pantami

The future president of Nigeria.

What THEY And TERRORISTS Have Against PANTAMI

By Professor MICHAEL OGUEKE

Last year, after extensive research into Boko Haram’s activities & online presence by experts including Bulama Burkati, it was discovered how Boko Haram uses highly encrypted messaging platforms such as WhatsApp & Telegram to communicate and coordinate.
In addition, ISWAP uses such apps to communicate with ISIS. For instance, when ISWAP launches an attack, it uses Telegram to send pictures and videos to ISIS. ISIS would edit the material, put ISWAP logo, subtitle (where relevant), etc, and release it through its channels.
Similarly, Boko Haram uses Telegram and WhatsApp to send photos and clips of its attack and execution to its contacts who then post/tweet them and give them to media outlets. They also use the platforms to communicate with fighters and coordinate activities including attacks.
It was therefore agreed that since most messaging apps require a mobile number to subscribe or register, if ownership of lines is restricted, it will seriously undermine Boko Haram’s ability to exploit technology, and hamper the effectiveness of the terrorists.
In the light of this discovery, the minister of communication Pantami - early last year, 2020 came up with the proposal to the FG for all bank accounts, passports, GSM numbers to be linked to NIN & for Telecom companies to be given a strict deadline to restrict registerable SIMs to three (or less) per person & to deactivate all unregistered ones & those who breach the directive should be heavily fined by the NCC.
The first to react to this proposed policy was Abubakar Shekau, the leader of Bokoharam. He felt so rattled & threatened by this proposed policy by the communication mimister - Pantami which has the obvious potential of hitting his group hard & smashing his activities.
It was no surprise then, when on 13th February, 2020, Shekau - the leader of Boko haram released a video asking his members to kill the communication minister, Isa Pantami.
These were the exact words of Shekau in the video & I quote:
“This video message is specifically released because of one man, who thinks he is knowledgeable. I want him to archive this message and continue referring to it till his death comes. From today onward, you will continue to live in sorrow, because I, Shekau, say so.
"This warning is for Isa Ali Panatami; don’t think simply because you preach in English or because you are called a doctor, it means you have knowledge of Islam. You know nothing. Today you have become a minister, and you are feeling you can achieve your selfish ends. You must know that speaking English has nothing to do with Islam.
"You said you are going to block phone lines and other means of communication, to frustrate the activities of Boko Haram, right? But you must understand that we don’t depend on such to take out our messages. Our messengers are like the angels of God. How dare you attempt to stop the works we are doing for the creator of the heavens and earth, simply because you have become a slave to the white world and the country. We pity you if you don’t repent.
"I swear to God, you are nothing. Initially, we have not begrudged with you, but now you have become a slave to the infidels; repent now and become a good Muslim. If you don’t comply from now on, death will come to you, Isa Ali Pantami. I call on my members in Africa, in Nigeria to rise and do the needful. Let them know that what we did to Sheik Jafar is just the tip of the iceberg. Anywhere you see Isa Ali Pantami, don’t spare him. Isa Ali Pantami you are nothing; even Jafar tried the same thing but we dealt with him; talk less of you that is nothing in Islamic practice. And from today on, you would not have rest of mind because you have dared God...”
As the communication minister - Pantami has called the bluff of the terrorists & has gone ahead this year, 2021 with the implementation of the proposed policies of restricting the number of SIMs per individual, linking them with other personal data to NIN & the FG's recent announcement of naming those who through investigations using this policy are involved in terrorism in Nigeria, the enemies of Nigeria & Shekau has now resorted to their proven tactics of whipping their hysterical mob of self righteous social media terrorists masquerading as our moral compasses & objective critics to goad Pantami into resigning. Exactly the same way they did our arguably best minister of finance for an offence that is no fault of hers & which was never brought to the public for 4 years she was Ogun state commissioner of finance, cleared by DSS to be a minister & for 3 years she was finance minister not until she refused to help the enemies of Nigeria led by then Ogun governor - Amosun & then Senate President - Saraki to loot the federal treasury & destabilize the APC government on the eve of 2019 elections.
The DSS cleared Pantami for this job. They knew of his rhetorics 20 years ago as a young firebrand scholar. They equally know of his brilliance, qualifications, experience, capabilities & abilities which earned him his present job as minister of communication & he has not dissapointed since he was appointed a minister.
Let Pantami be & do not join or help the terrorists, sponsored by the conscienceless enemies of our nation who raped us into coma & pillaged our resources for 16 uninterrupted years, to rob us of another wonderful brain in this our sustained march to development & progressivism under Mai Gaskiya.
Enough said already!!"

I don't think the screening was flawed or anything. DSS knew. Senate Knew that Pantami was a terrorist symphatiser. But the fact is someone in power wanted a minister that they could easily blackmail should he step over the invisible line...and true true when Pantami began stepping over the invisible lines he was not supposed to step over....his evil past was brought into the light...with embelishments.

All this teaches me is this...Nigerians should pay attention to whoever is looking to be a ministar next time. And Pantami must go...despite the good work he has done, he did make commments in the past that are very concerning to most non-muslim Nigerians.

iceberylin:
Buhari is a Terrorist
Pantami is a Terrorist
DSS is home of Terrorists
The Senate is full of Terrorists
All service chiefs are terrorists
Most state Governors are Terrorists

It's not a joke anymore

hmmmmm.....this is serious going by what is happening.

pelicanbeau:
Anyone found supporting or lending a voice to terrorist group such as Taliban, alqueda, ISIS, boko haram, herdsmen, bandits just to mention a few, is also a terrorist him or herself.

Patanmi is a dangerous terrorist let him resign. He's a bane to the country alongside the c in c

...another serious matter

post=101094303:

No he is not,
BUT,




SECONDED.
After thorough investigation, if found guilty, he should be arrested or resigned honourably.

With all without Pantami, the NIN must go on with the next person coming in.

NIN is not Patamin's family business that will stop if he is removed, so do not get it confused.
NIN is not about a person but about our darling Country moving forward.

A better Nigeria is all we want.
A better Nigeria is what we shall get.
God bless Nigeria.

Addendum:
Notice to Fraudsters and Criminals : With or Without Pantami, According to Law, YOU MUST LINK YOUR SIM WITH YOUR NIN.
And save millions of Nigeria from being scammed and end kidnapping in our nation...... una hear?


Thanks Mr Odewale.
God bless you.

NIN is a good initiative but to be in the hands of terrorist suspect is a no no no no....

Tajbol4splend:
Our constitution is a charade itself, it gives too much room for shamelessness because if it was a country like USA, Pantami would be wearing a blue and white colour in level 1 security in a certain penetentiary

they said he is a good friend of Osama bin laden and other dangerious Al bin and have ties with Al qeda ,Taliban and other terrorist groups worldwide.....but the presidency said he have repented and amended his was.....if that is the case,our prisons is suppose to be empty....that man should be hold responsible for his actions weather present or past......if not Dear FG please free all the prisoners ,they have all changed...this is how they told us that some Boko Haram members have repented ,they are now flexing life while graduates drive Keke,hawk data online..... nonsense.

rxmusa:
Of Isa Pantami, Jihad and a Culture of Blackmail by Eseoghene Al-Faruq Ohwojeheri

To say people are blackmailing Isa Ali Pantami because he is going to be President is to reduce the issue.

They are blackmailing him because he is a Muslim Cleric that is a Minister. Some people can't just stand this because for too long Muslims have been put on the defensive and we have allowed it. Muslims on the other hand can stand Osibanjo, a Pastor, even if he quotes from the Bible, no issue.

Now this is for SOME people. Does this mean there are no issues to clarify? No. There are issues to clarify and this has nothing to do with politics.

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Afghanistan Taliban. They don't carry out suicide bombings, they don't target innocent people, they are only fighting for a country they use to govern before they were kicked out. Matter of fact the Americans are presently in negotiation with them. And we pray the issues are resolved. So if Pantani praised the Afghanistan Taliban, there is nothing wrong there. The UN praised them for eradicating opium, I mean total eradication. The US use to praise them before they had issues, so why can't Pantami praise them?

2. His praise of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda came years ago, before certain things became clearer. He never praised Bin Laden for bombing World Trade Centre. It was the general notion among Muslims (and many non Muslims) at the time that Bin Laden was framed hence he was seen as a hero. As Muslims began to get convinced (rightly or wrongly) that Bin Laden did carry out the attacks, everyone started criticizing him and taking his pictures off their profile and denouncing his ideology. I am not going to go into if Bin Laden actually did what he is accused of as I honestly don't know as of today. But regular Muslims, including Pantami denounce killing innocent people. I am Admin of a Muslim Facebook group with over 20k members and it was only one person ever that supported suicide bombings. Not only did everyone attack him, people hated me and fought me for not removing him from the group, but I argued that we can use argument to change him, my beloved brothers said Islam does not even allow you to be associated with such person. Today we don't know where he is and nobody cares.

3. The other extraneous quote they have dragged in saying Sheikh Uthaymin says Jihad is until Islam is the system all over is just normal. If you have a good system you will want to spread it. Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No, we will continue to propagate Islam. And in places where we are more and most powerful we will operate our system (as some have done to a small extent in some Northern States and as the Christians are doing in the Vetican), but will we force someone else to be Muslim? No, ISLAM forbids it. So what is the problem here? That we feel our faith is best? When has that become a crime? The Sheikh Uthaymin and "Saudi Salafi" that you are attacking and claiming they promote extremism are the same scholars that denounced Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So why are you confused? Or maybe your target is Islam itself.

4. The worse thing they quoted him as saying is that "we all like it when the unbelievers are being killed...." But I had someone who understand Hausa listen to the lecture and he didn't say that. So we are still searching for where he said that. But even by the translation he went ahead to say "unbelievers cannot be killed for no reason", so what was he trying to say exactly? This point is very important. It is how people misunderstand the Quran. The few verses that talks about war gave the believers PERMISSION to fight in that instance of war because ordinarily they were instructed to be peaceful. If there was no instruction to fight it would mean sit there and be slaughtered. And that is suicide which is also forbidden in Islam.

First, had Islam been based on violence, there would be no need for verses that specifically gives permission to fight in the event of a war.

Secondly, in giving this specific permission the Qur'an says unbelievers. Does it mean fight any unbeliever you see on the road? No, there were unbelievers living with the Prophet while he was fighting other unbelievers that came to attack him in Medina. So when the Quran says unbelievers it already explained which unbelievers it was talking about when it says "fight THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU" so it didn't need to be repeating "unbelievers who fight you" no scripture and nobody speaks like that. Of course if "the unbelievers" invade a Muslim land and starts killing them for nothing, it will make us happy when the Muslim Army have a upper hand and kill these "unbelievers". Does that include killing Mr. Mathew in Nigeria who did not invade a Muslim land and slaughter Muslims and raped our women? Of course not. This is common sense.

If it is not enough that every Muslim you know person to person is peaceful and does not even have a weapon not to talk of being violent, then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that the Quran expressly says "there is no compulsion in (the acceptance) of religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and you still want to force yourself to believe that Islam says to kill the non-Muslims because they didn't accept Islam then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you.

So no, let us not reduce it to the usual politics. Let us instead use this opportunity to educate our Christian neighbours about the concept of Jihad and ask them to stop blackmailing us with it.

ignorant of the law is not an excuse..
I know someone who is in prison because his bank account was used for fraud without his knowledge.
It is very dangerous to have a Muslim with such fanatical views as pantami as a public officer...
I know how such extremists behave,those Muslims with short trousers and long bears with a black dot on their forehead?no no no .

rxmusa:
Of Isa Pantami, Jihad and a Culture of Blackmail by Eseoghene Al-Faruq Ohwojeheri

To say people are blackmailing Isa Ali Pantami because he is going to be President is to reduce the issue.

They are blackmailing him because he is a Muslim Cleric that is a Minister. Some people can't just stand this because for too long Muslims have been put on the defensive and we have allowed it. Muslims on the other hand can stand Osibanjo, a Pastor, even if he quotes from the Bible, no issue.

Now this is for SOME people. Does this mean there are no issues to clarify? No. There are issues to clarify and this has nothing to do with politics.

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Afghanistan Taliban. They don't carry out suicide bombings, they don't target innocent people, they are only fighting for a country they use to govern before they were kicked out. Matter of fact the Americans are presently in negotiation with them. And we pray the issues are resolved. So if Pantani praised the Afghanistan Taliban, there is nothing wrong there. The UN praised them for eradicating opium, I mean total eradication. The US use to praise them before they had issues, so why can't Pantami praise them?

2. His praise of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda came years ago, before certain things became clearer. He never praised Bin Laden for bombing World Trade Centre. It was the general notion among Muslims (and many non Muslims) at the time that Bin Laden was framed hence he was seen as a hero. As Muslims began to get convinced (rightly or wrongly) that Bin Laden did carry out the attacks, everyone started criticizing him and taking his pictures off their profile and denouncing his ideology. I am not going to go into if Bin Laden actually did what he is accused of as I honestly don't know as of today. But regular Muslims, including Pantami denounce killing innocent people. I am Admin of a Muslim Facebook group with over 20k members and it was only one person ever that supported suicide bombings. Not only did everyone attack him, people hated me and fought me for not removing him from the group, but I argued that we can use argument to change him, my beloved brothers said Islam does not even allow you to be associated with such person. Today we don't know where he is and nobody cares.

3. The other extraneous quote they have dragged in saying Sheikh Uthaymin says Jihad is until Islam is the system all over is just normal. If you have a good system you will want to spread it. Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No, we will continue to propagate Islam. And in places where we are more and most powerful we will operate our system (as some have done to a small extent in some Northern States and as the Christians are doing in the Vetican), but will we force someone else to be Muslim? No, ISLAM forbids it. So what is the problem here? That we feel our faith is best? When has that become a crime? The Sheikh Uthaymin and "Saudi Salafi" that you are attacking and claiming they promote extremism are the same scholars that denounced Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So why are you confused? Or maybe your target is Islam itself.

4. The worse thing they quoted him as saying is that "we all like it when the unbelievers are being killed...." But I had someone who understand Hausa listen to the lecture and he didn't say that. So we are still searching for where he said that. But even by the translation he went ahead to say "unbelievers cannot be killed for no reason", so what was he trying to say exactly? This point is very important. It is how people misunderstand the Quran. The few verses that talks about war gave the believers PERMISSION to fight in that instance of war because ordinarily they were instructed to be peaceful. If there was no instruction to fight it would mean sit there and be slaughtered. And that is suicide which is also forbidden in Islam.

First, had Islam been based on violence, there would be no need for verses that specifically gives permission to fight in the event of a war.

Secondly, in giving this specific permission the Qur'an says unbelievers. Does it mean fight any unbeliever you see on the road? No, there were unbelievers living with the Prophet while he was fighting other unbelievers that came to attack him in Medina. So when the Quran says unbelievers it already explained which unbelievers it was talking about when it says "fight THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU" so it didn't need to be repeating "unbelievers who fight you" no scripture and nobody speaks like that. Of course if "the unbelievers" invade a Muslim land and starts killing them for nothing, it will make us happy when the Muslim Army have a upper hand and kill these "unbelievers". Does that include killing Mr. Mathew in Nigeria who did not invade a Muslim land and slaughter Muslims and raped our women? Of course not. This is common sense.

If it is not enough that every Muslim you know person to person is peaceful and does not even have a weapon not to talk of being violent, then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that the Quran expressly says "there is no compulsion in (the acceptance) of religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and you still want to force yourself to believe that Islam says to kill the non-Muslims because they didn't accept Islam then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you.

So no, let us not reduce it to the usual politics. Let us instead use this opportunity to educate our Christian neighbours about the concept of Jihad and ask them to stop blackmailing us with it.

"Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No"

The above statement is a quote from your post. Other religions especially Christianity also believe that Islam is not only wrong but a false religion yet Christians don't use violence or kill Muslims as a way of winning converts for their God or Jesus Christ. It is commonly said that Islam is a peaceful religion but the whole world has not seen that peace in Islam.

"If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you." That is another quote from your post.

Since the coming of Jesus the founder of Christianity on Earth the use of force, violence, intimidation, murder and there likes were abolished and replace with love, that is why you will not find such in the New testament of the Bible. If I may ask when last did you hear a Christian said he is killing for Jesus or his God?

rxmusa:
Of Isa Pantami, Jihad and a Culture of Blackmail by Eseoghene Al-Faruq Ohwojeheri

To say people are blackmailing Isa Ali Pantami because he is going to be President is to reduce the issue.

They are blackmailing him because he is a Muslim Cleric that is a Minister. Some people can't just stand this because for too long Muslims have been put on the defensive and we have allowed it. Muslims on the other hand can stand Osibanjo, a Pastor, even if he quotes from the Bible, no issue.

Now this is for SOME people. Does this mean there are no issues to clarify? No. There are issues to clarify and this has nothing to do with politics.

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Afghanistan Taliban. They don't carry out suicide bombings, they don't target innocent people, they are only fighting for a country they use to govern before they were kicked out. Matter of fact the Americans are presently in negotiation with them. And we pray the issues are resolved. So if Pantani praised the Afghanistan Taliban, there is nothing wrong there. The UN praised them for eradicating opium, I mean total eradication. The US use to praise them before they had issues, so why can't Pantami praise them?

2. His praise of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda came years ago, before certain things became clearer. He never praised Bin Laden for bombing World Trade Centre. It was the general notion among Muslims (and many non Muslims) at the time that Bin Laden was framed hence he was seen as a hero. As Muslims began to get convinced (rightly or wrongly) that Bin Laden did carry out the attacks, everyone started criticizing him and taking his pictures off their profile and denouncing his ideology. I am not going to go into if Bin Laden actually did what he is accused of as I honestly don't know as of today. But regular Muslims, including Pantami denounce killing innocent people. I am Admin of a Muslim Facebook group with over 20k members and it was only one person ever that supported suicide bombings. Not only did everyone attack him, people hated me and fought me for not removing him from the group, but I argued that we can use argument to change him, my beloved brothers said Islam does not even allow you to be associated with such person. Today we don't know where he is and nobody cares.

3. The other extraneous quote they have dragged in saying Sheikh Uthaymin says Jihad is until Islam is the system all over is just normal. If you have a good system you will want to spread it. Why should Muslims be satisfied with other religion when we believe they are wrong? No, we will continue to propagate Islam. And in places where we are more and most powerful we will operate our system (as some have done to a small extent in some Northern States and as the Christians are doing in the Vetican), but will we force someone else to be Muslim? No, ISLAM forbids it. So what is the problem here? That we feel our faith is best? When has that become a crime? The Sheikh Uthaymin and "Saudi Salafi" that you are attacking and claiming they promote extremism are the same scholars that denounced Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So why are you confused? Or maybe your target is Islam itself.

4. The worse thing they quoted him as saying is that "we all like it when the unbelievers are being killed...." But I had someone who understand Hausa listen to the lecture and he didn't say that. So we are still searching for where he said that. But even by the translation he went ahead to say "unbelievers cannot be killed for no reason", so what was he trying to say exactly? This point is very important. It is how people misunderstand the Quran. The few verses that talks about war gave the believers PERMISSION to fight in that instance of war because ordinarily they were instructed to be peaceful. If there was no instruction to fight it would mean sit there and be slaughtered. And that is suicide which is also forbidden in Islam.

First, had Islam been based on violence, there would be no need for verses that specifically gives permission to fight in the event of a war.

Secondly, in giving this specific permission the Qur'an says unbelievers. Does it mean fight any unbeliever you see on the road? No, there were unbelievers living with the Prophet while he was fighting other unbelievers that came to attack him in Medina. So when the Quran says unbelievers it already explained which unbelievers it was talking about when it says "fight THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU" so it didn't need to be repeating "unbelievers who fight you" no scripture and nobody speaks like that. Of course if "the unbelievers" invade a Muslim land and starts killing them for nothing, it will make us happy when the Muslim Army have a upper hand and kill these "unbelievers". Does that include killing Mr. Mathew in Nigeria who did not invade a Muslim land and slaughter Muslims and raped our women? Of course not. This is common sense.

If it is not enough that every Muslim you know person to person is peaceful and does not even have a weapon not to talk of being violent, then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that the Quran expressly says "there is no compulsion in (the acceptance) of religion" (Qur'an 2:256) and you still want to force yourself to believe that Islam says to kill the non-Muslims because they didn't accept Islam then there is nothing we can do for you.

If it is not enough that your Bible says in clear terms that the Amalekites should be slaughter including "women, children and INFANTS" (1 Samuel 15:3) and YET Muslim don't see you in that light because we understand that at least it was not you that did it, then there is nothing we can do for you.

So no, let us not reduce it to the usual politics. Let us instead use this opportunity to educate our Christian neighbours about the concept of Jihad and ask them to stop blackmailing us with it.

You are another mad fellow.

Please can you show us where osinbanjo called for the death of moslom or where he said that he is happy when a Christian kill a moslom. Well we won't be surprise because you can't be a moslom and still be sane.

So it more about linking NIN but about him been an imam and a moslom right? Hopeless terrorist.


Smile, so Taliban never bomb before, go to Afghanistan and said this if they won't stone you to death. Foolish terrorist.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/9/20/afghanistan-hospital-attack-death-toll-soars-to-39

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/8/25/taliban-truck-bomb-other-attacks-kill-dozen-across-afghanistan

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/24/two-bomb-blasts-kill-at-least-14-in-afghanistan-officials

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/24/deadly-suicide-bombing-hit-kabul-education-centre
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/5/13/babies-among-24-killed-as-gunmen-attack-maternity-ward-in-kabul

Let me stop here, for your information Taliban have kill highly more innocent Afghanistan than the they kill America army, well you people don't care because of your hatred for Christian.

TarOrfeeek:
They ought to convert the DSS and NIA offices to a beer parlour


And all the current staff, from the DG to Driver should work there as waiters.



At least FG will get some consumption tax and VAT, instead of the total uselessness that those agencie are.

When 'Quota System' is the order of the day...