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Good morning Nairalanders, here is a food for thought this morning.

If you read Ephesians 5:23, it says "because a husband is head of his wife just as the Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body."

Against the backdrop of the above quoted scriptures, why do churches have General Overseers ultimately taking the role of Jesus?

Read also Matthew 23:8

" But you, do not you be called Rabbi (leader), for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers.


What do you make out of these two quotes portions?

G.O is the abbreviation for General Overseer...

Their responsibility is to Oversee the spiritual and physical affairs of members.


Christ is still the head of the Church.



This is my little contribution..... Thanks!

TheGiftedOne:
Good morning Nairalanders, here is a did for thought this morning.

If you read Ephesians 5:23, it says "because a husband is head of his wife just as the Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body."

Against the backdrop of the above quoted scriptures, why do churches have General Overseers ultimately taking the role of Jesus?

Read also Matthew 23:8

" But you, do not you be called Rabbi (leader), for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers.

What do you make out of these two quotes portions?

Since the teaching of Jesus Christ is the Truth of God that we are indeed called to trust and obey, it means that any other teachings that go against the Word of God, the teachings of Jesus Christ, are indeed in error.
In this case, the teaching in Ephesians 5 is wrong and not founded on the Truth of Jesus Christ as expressed in Matthew 23 vs 8.

A careful examination of the implications of such taxing as is found in Ephesians 5 will reveal all too well that it has no foundation in the New Covenant Law as it is instead against it.

According to Jesus Christ, He and He alone is Master and Head over all His followers...they are all equal and have one master/head over them all. Now the teaching that a wife have her husband as her head puts the woman in a situation where no follower of Jesus Christ should be.

If she is to consider her husband a head over her and Jesus Christ as well, then she attempts to serve two Masters which we know is impossible to do in the Kingdom of God.

If she places her husband as direct head over her and Jesus Christ an indirect head, then rather than being a follower of Jesus Christ, she is instead a follower of her husband and not Jesus Christ and we know that anyone who does not belong to Jesus Christ is not of God.

U people just look for issues where there is none ...even inside Bible they called some people apostles, pastors, evangelist, why some are just helpers...all na title...some people have to play the role of church admin, and guide, Christ is still the head...
If you have your own church.. let everybody be brother without title to designate duty..

advanceDNA:
U people just look for issues where there is none ...even inside Bible they called some people apostles, pastors, evangelist, why some are just helpers...all na title...some people have to play the role of church admin, and guide, Christ is still the head...
If you have your own church.. let everybody be brother without title to designate duty..

What you are invariably saying is that Christ lied when He declared that He alone is Teacher to all those who are His followers, something God also stated through His prophets before Jesus Christ?

So in you summation, Jesus Christ made a false statement when He declared, as God did, that He alone is Shepherd/guide/Head over His entire flock?

Kobojunkiee:
What you are invariably saying is that Christ lied when He declared that He alone is Teacher to all those who are His followers, something God also stated through His prophets before Jesus Christ?

So in you summation, Jesus Christ made a false statement when He declared, as God did, that He alone is Shepherd/guide/Head over His entire flock?

U don’t know how to dialogue...I ddnt say Christ lied... u are the one fallaciously assuming that.

Jesus spoke from a context... people like u that don’t read with the context meaning will just keep saying what is not...

When Jesus said turn ur cheek when they slap you does it mean actually turn ur cheek..

When Jesus said the kingdom of God sufferer violence...and th violent take it by force... does he literally mean we should be violent..??

Is it not th same bible that spoke about some being apostles, teachers, pastors, etc.. was Paul also lying?? Can’t they all be brothers, why are some apostles, and some pastors and some evangelist..??
Having titles isn’t wrong... Jesus only wanted humility... always remeber.. that Jesus response also included the fact that he knew the thoughts of men... and that’s why you would see in some place that he insulted the scribes becos their intentions for asking questions was to kill him..

The man calling Jesus teacher was trying to ass-lick... and Jesus won’t allow it..

There was another place where somebody called him good... he responded by saying he’s not good that only God the father is good... was Jesus not good?? His response was out of context.. maybe we should understand context

G.Os and pastors are shepherds taking care of God's sheep... Remember what Jesus told Peter before his ascension

TheGiftedOne:
Good morning Nairalanders, here is a food for thought this morning.

If you read Ephesians 5:23, it says "because a husband is head of his wife just as the Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body."

Against the backdrop of the above quoted scriptures, why do churches have General Overseers ultimately taking the role of Jesus?

Read also Matthew 23:8

" But you, do not you be called Rabbi (leader), for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers.


What do you make out of these two quotes portions?

Churchpreneurs and Pastorpreneurs are business men who perform General Overseer functions as Managers of their business centers where they charge monthly membership fees from their clientele.

Their businesses have ZERO connection with Matthew 23:8 and Ephesians 5:23.
IYKYK.

Janosky:
Churchpreneurs and Pastorpreneurs are business men who perform General Overseer functions as Managers of their business centers where they charge monthly membership fees from their clientele.

Their businesses have ZERO connection with Matthew 23:8 and Ephesians 5:23.
IYKYK.

Gbam! And just to add, the church is a network of believers, not a physical structure. For the most high no longer dwells in temples made by human hands.

Acts 7 v 48-50;

48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands. As the prophet says:

49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be?

50 Has not my hand made all these things?


Acts 17 v 24-25;

24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.

25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else

advanceDNA:
U don’t know how to dialogue...I ddnt say Christ lied... u are the one fallaciously assuming that.

This is not rocket science really!
Assuming a Mr A declares "It is Black" and Mr B declares instead "It is White", if you declare that Mr B told the truth, what you are invariably saying at the same time is that Mr A lied.

advanceDNA:
Jesus spoke from a context... people like u that don’t read with the context meaning will just keep saying what is not...

The context is the Kingdom of God. Here we have Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, declaring that He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over those who belong to His flock .i.e. all those who are of the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Anyone who declares that Jesus Christ did not mean what He said or suggests that Jesus Christ's statement should not be taken as the absolute Word of God proclaims that Jesus Christ is a liar.

advanceDNA:
Is it not th same bible that spoke about some being apostles, teachers, pastors, etc.. was Paul also lying?? Can’t they all be brothers, why are some apostles, and some pastors and some evangelist..??

Jesus Christ, as we see clearly in the above passage, declared that He alone is Teacher/Shepherd over His flock. Since Paul declares something contrary to what Jesus Christ said, whose word do you choose to believe - Jesus Christ's or Paul's - since they are both not saying the same thing in any way or form.

advanceDNA:
When Jesus said turn ur cheek when they slap you does it mean actually turn ur cheek..

Well, let us see what Jesus Christ meant. The below passage is what Jesus Christ said...

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Now, we already know that when confronted by His enemy, Jesus Christ did not put up a fight but was instead lead off and was killed by them. But let's examine what another one of Jesus Christ's followers, Stephen, did in response to Jesus Christ's commandment.

Acts 7 vs 54-60 (ERV)
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54. Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him.
55. But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
56. And he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
57. But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together[b] at him.
58. Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59. And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
60. And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

As you can see, Stephen literally did what Jesus Christ commanded there in Matthew 5 vs 38-48. He, refusing to fight back, showed love to his enemies by loving them even more than he loved His own life.
So, you tell me, are you better than Stephen in this?

advanceDNA:
When Jesus said the kingdom of God sufferer violence...and th violent take it by force... does he literally mean we should be violent..??

I am afraid you misconstrue the message in that verse there. Why don't we consider it in the context it was given to you.

Matthew 11 vs 2-12 (ERV)
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2. When John was in prison, he heard about the things that were happening—things the Messiah would do. So he sent some of his followers to Jesus.
3. They asked him, “Are you the one we have been expecting, or should we wait for someone else?”
4. Jesus answered, “Go tell John what you have heard and seen:
5. The blind can see. The crippled can walk. People with leprosy are healed. The deaf can hear. The dead are brought back to life. And the Good News is being told to the poor.
6. Great blessings belong to those who don’t have a problem accepting me.”
7. When John’s followers left, Jesus began talking to the people about John. He said, “What did you people go out to the desert to see? Someone who is weak, like a stem of grass[a] blowing in the wind?
8. Really, what did you expect to see? Someone dressed in fine clothes? Of course not. People who wear fine clothes are all in kings’ palaces.
9. So what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, John is a prophet. But I tell you, he is more than that.
10. This Scripture was written about him: ‘Listen! I will send my messenger ahead of you. He will prepare the way for you.’
11. “The truth is that John the Baptizer is greater than anyone who has ever come into this world. But even the least important person in God’s kingdom is greater than John.
12. Since the time John the Baptizer came until now, God’s kingdom has been going forward strongly.[b] And people have been trying to take control of it by force.

From the above, you can see that Jesus Christ did not tell you to take the Kingdom of God by force.... no, instead, He warns you that there are those who are trying to take control over the kingdom of God by force.

advanceDNA:
Is it not th same bible that spoke about some being apostles, teachers, pastors, etc.. was Paul also lying??

Yes, Paul lied! Paul, by declaring that which Jesus Christ said, what God Himself stated will be so in His New Covenant, to be untrue amounts to Paul not speaking on behalf of God in this. And since Jesus Christ is the Truth of God, it means Paul lied.

advanceDNA:
Can’t they all be brothers, why are some apostles, and some pastors and some evangelist..??

According to Jesus Christ, He alone is Teacher and Shepherd over all those in His flock, so there are no pastors(shepherds) and no Teachers in his flock. Instead, Jesus Christ's command to teach His Gospel of the Kingdom of God is to every one of His followers meaning they are all His apostles/evangelists/disciples.

advanceDNA:
Having titles isn’t wrong... Jesus only wanted humility... always remeber.. that Jesus response also included the fact that he knew the thoughts of men... and that’s why you would see in some place that he insulted the scribes becos their intentions for asking questions was to kill him..

Jesus Christ warned vehemently against the having of these "titles" which you claim... that is why He warned that none of His followers be called "Rabbi", "Master", "Father", Shepherd(Pastor), "Teacher" etc... He instead declared that they were all equal in His Kingdom.

advanceDNA:
The man calling Jesus teacher was trying to ass-lick... and Jesus won’t allow it...
There was another place where somebody called him good... he responded by saying he’s not good that only God the father is good... was Jesus not good?? His response was out of context.. maybe we should understand context

There is no problem with calling Jesus Christ Teacher/Master/Rabbi/Shepherd, etc. after all, in His Kingdom, He is the one and only over all of us.

obonujoker:
G.Os and pastors are shepherds taking care of God's sheep...

So what you are saying is that these men are shepherds taking care of God's sheep, meaning God lied....

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. [color=#990099] The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them. [/color]
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. [color=#990099] Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.[/color]

16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

... and so did Jesus Christ after Him, when He declared that He alone is the good shepherd?

John 10 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8. All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need.
10. A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11. “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12. The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13. The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep.

14-15. “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16. I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future, there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17. The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18. No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.”
19. Again the Jews were divided over what Jesus was saying.
20. Many of them said, “A demon has come into him and made him crazy. Why listen to him?”

Was Jesus Christ wrong in the passage above?

obonujoker:
Remember what Jesus told Peter before his ascension

According to John 21, Jesus Christ called on Peter to feed and care His sheep, not become a shepherd OVER his flock, and this he told peter, right after feeding him and the other disciples breakfast.

John 21 vs 1-14 (ERV)
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15. When they finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these other men love me?” Peter answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Then Jesus said to him, “Take care of my lambs.[c]”
16. Again Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Then Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17. A third time Jesus said, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was sad because Jesus asked him three times, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you!” Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.
18. The truth is, when you were young, you tied your own belt and went where you wanted. But when you are old, you will put out your hands, and someone else will tie your belt. They will lead you where you don’t want to go.”
19. (Jesus said this to show how Peter would die to give glory to God.) Then he said to Peter, “Follow me!”

Kobojunkiee:
What you are invariably saying is that Christ lied when He declared that He alone is Teacher to all those who are His followers, something God also stated through His prophets before Jesus Christ?

So in you summation, Jesus Christ made a false statement when He declared, as God did, that He alone is Shepherd/guide/Head over His entire flock?

And same Jesus gave Peter responsibility of a shepherd.

Jesus must be learning aptly from this your submission.

Kobojunkiee:
According to John 21, Jesus Christ called on Peter to feed and care His sheep, not become a shepherd OVER his flock, and this he told peter, right after feeding him and the other disciples breakfast.

So the one who feed and care for the sheep is called what?

Kobojunkiee:
According to John 21, Jesus Christ called on Peter to feed and care His sheep, not become a shepherd OVER his flock, and this he told peter, right after feeding him and the other disciples breakfast.

So the one who feed and care for the sheep is called what?

hoopernikao:
And same Jesus gave Peter responsibility of a shepherd.
Jesus must be learning aptly from this your submission.

But Jesus Christ never did that.

hoopernikao:
So the one who feed and care for the sheep is called what?

Let's see exactly what Jesus Christ calls such a one, shall we?

John 10 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8. All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need.
10. A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11. “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12. The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13. The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep.
14-15. “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16. I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future, there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17. The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18. No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.”
19. Again the Jews were divided over what Jesus was saying.
20. Many of them said, “A demon has come into him and made him crazy. Why listen to him?”

Kobojunkiee:
But Jesus Christ never did that.

Jesus told Peter 3 times to feed MY lamb. Christ lambs, Peter (shepherd) to feed Christ lambs.

John 21
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.


Ensure you observe the exact word he used before you respond again.

Vs 15 Feed translated from the Greek word bosko

Vs 16 Feed translated from the Greek word poimaino

Vs 17 Feed translated same from bosko

Ensure you check that well before commenting.

hoopernikao:
Jesus told Peter 3 times to feed MY lamb. Christ lambs, Peter (shepherd) to feed Christ lambs.
Ensure you check that well before commenting.

If we are to follow along your claim that by requesting Peter feed his sheep and take care of His sheep, Jesus Christ installs Peter as shepherd over his sheep, you are insinuating then that Jesus Christ lied...

John 10 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8. All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need.
10. A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11. “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12. The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13. The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep.

14-15. “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16. I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future, there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17. The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18. No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.”
19. Again the Jews were divided over what Jesus was saying.
20. Many of them said, “A demon has come into him and made him crazy. Why listen to him?”

... and so did God before Him?

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. [color=#990099] The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them. [/color]
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. [color=#990099] Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.[/color]

16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Can't have it both ways. Either God and then Jesus Christ lied, or Jesus Christ never, in fact, installed Peter as shepherd over His flock as you claim.

Kobojunkiee:
So, you are insinuating then that Jesus Christ lied...
... and so did God before Him?
Can't have it both ways. Either God and then Jesus Christ lied, or Peter is not a shepherd as you claim him to be.

Focus on the text of Jesus I gave you in John 21:15-17.

I didn't write it, it's the scriptures. Jesus told Peter to rule, to shepherd to lord over his lambs.

You should be the one to explain if Jesus is lying or contradicting himself, or better still you will adjust your knowledge of the scriptures.

Feed implies to rule, the lord, to shepherd. What other explanation do you need.

You guys will not loose anything if you truly accept the fact that these are poorly written tales by men with little or no understanding about Our creator..

These unknown authors just collected tales from different scriptures to create their Jesus character. There is nothing divine about Christianity. It is all confusion and more confusion. Just learn the laws of God and obey them. That is the only way to have a meaningful relationship with our creator.

He never said he was going to impregnate another man's wife to sire a son. It is all Roman creation to deceive.

hoopernikao:
Focus on the text of Jesus I gave you in John 21:15-17.
I didn't write it, it's the scriptures. Jesus told Peter to rule, to shepherd to lord over his lambs.
You should be the one to explain if Jesus is lying or contradicting himself, or better still you will adjust your knowledge of the scriptures.
Feed implies to rule, the lord, to shepherd. What other explanation do you need.

Only you would know how the word "feed" implies "to rule over/lord over/shepherd" in this case, I don't see it at all.

Since a literal interpretation cannot be applied to the phrase it is best to first establish what figure of it it most likely belongs to.

"Feed my sheep" reads more like a metaphor and this spoken to a fisherman - Peter and some of the other disciples had been fishing that same morning- who had just been fed breakfast by the very same Jesus Christ.

Yes, only moments before, Jesus Christ "Fed His sheep" a breakfast of fish and bread which He, Jesus Christ prepared for them.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. [color=#000000] So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord! [/color]
10. [color=#000000] The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”[/color]
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. [color=#000000]In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day. [/color]
13. [color=#000000] I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live. [/color]
14. [color=#000000]I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.[/color]
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.

16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Kobojunkiee:
What you are invariably saying is that Christ lied when He declared that He alone is Teacher to all those who are His followers, something God also stated through His prophets before Jesus Christ?

So in you summation, Jesus Christ made a false statement when He declared, as God did, that He alone is Shepherd/guide/Head over His entire flock?

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on this one.
Jesus (the Word) is the Teacher. Likewuse the Holyspirit whom the Father sent to teach Christians all things.

It is also without a doubt that Jesus chose the 12 as apostles to lead (including teach) his flock. Peter and Paul being the apostles to the circumcised and uncircumcised respectively.

While these leaders are not meant to laud it over their followers, they do have a responsibility having followed and learned from Christ to teach his new followers.

hoopernikao:
Focus on the text of Jesus I gave you in John 21:15-17.

I didn't write it, it's the scriptures. Jesus told Peter to rule, to shepherd to lord over his lambs.

You should be the one to explain if Jesus is lying or contradicting himself, or better still you will adjust your knowledge of the scriptures.

Feed implies to rule, the lord, to shepherd. What other explanation do you need.

Jesus telling Peter to feed his sheep, simply means he should teach them the word of God and care for them which Peter did in the book of Acts, but Peter was never called a Pastor or Bishop or GO by the early church in the book of Acts simply for teaching the gospel.
Jesus is the only Shephered of his sheep, he appointed Peter as caretaker and a rock to build his Church, but that doesn't translate to the church bureaucracy we find in the epistles of Paul. The truth is that Jesus was against the formation of Heirarchy among his followers.

Myer:
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on this one.
Jesus (the Word) is the Teacher. Likewuse the Holyspirit whom the Father sent to teach Christians all things.

Jesus Christ Himself declared that His very words are the Words of God Himself.

John 14 vs 10- 11- (ERV)
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10. Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
11. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

And the Spirit of God is God Himself. So, it is not that Jesus Christ is a teacher separate from God and the Spirit of God but instead that it is the one and same Teacher here... God.

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

God is the one and only Teacher in the New Covenant, where Jesus Christ, the Word of God, is God's human avatar!

Myer:
It is also without a doubt that Jesus chose the 12 as apostles to lead (including teach) his flock. Peter and Paul being the apostles to the circumcised and uncircumcised respectively.

It may be without a doubt to you, but where exactly were in scripture they instituted as "leaders" or "teachers" over God's flock? Recall that the very same commandments that Jesus Christ gave to the first set - there were more than 12 of them by the time of His resurrection- is giving to all His followers?

Myer:
While these leaders are not meant to laud it over their followers, they do have a responsibility having followed and learned from Christ to teach his new followers.

I am afraid I do not know of them being installed "leaders" over His flock by Jesus Christ, or God Himself, both of whom deny this claim by the way.

As for the mission to teach the Gospel of the Kingdom, the very command that Jesus Christ gave to His apostles indicates no separation of concerns of the sort you suggest - circumcised and uncircumcised.

Matthew 28 vs 18- (ERV)
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18. So he came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth is given to me.
19. So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
20. Teach them to obey everything that I have told you to do. You can be sure that I will be with you always. I will continue with you until the end of time.”

He didn't send them to only teach to the circumcized... He sent them all into all the world.. to the jews and gentiles alike!

How people argue over simple things even while quoting Scripture is so so surprising......

I still wonder how people comprehend words before interpretation..........

John.21.15 - So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Feed My lambs ."
John.21.16 - He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep ."
John.21.17 - He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep .



Those are Jesus own words. Why would he tell Peter and what do you think is the purpose......



Acts.20.28 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.


The above is Apostle Paul's words.



Many of you fellas don't read the Bible.

If universities have Chancellors, why have Vice Chancellors

GeneralDae:
Jesus telling Peter to feed his sheep, simply means he should teach them the word of God and care for them which Peter did in the book of Acts, but Peter was never called a Pastor or Bishop or GO by the early church in the book of Acts simply for teaching the gospel.
Jesus is the only Shephered of his sheep, he appointed Peter as caretaker and a rock to build his Church, but that doesn't translate to the church bureaucracy we find in the epistles of Paul. The truth is that Jesus was against the formation of Heirarchy among his followers.

I dont know why we like trying to explain what is clear.

Ensure you observe the exact word he used before you respond again.

Vs 15 Feed translated from the Greek word bosko
Vs 16 Feed translated from the Greek word poimaino
Vs 17 Feed translated same from bosko

Ensure you check that well before commenting.

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The word Feed is from poimaino
-to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep, to rule, govern, of rulers. to tend as a shepherd of

It is from the word poimēn translated as a herdsman, esp. a shepherd, of the overseers.


Is it that Jesus doesnt know what he was saying or you are the one trying to help him explain his words.
Jesus asked Peter to be a shepherd, if that is what you still want to argue, then you arent ready to accept God's word.

So, is Peter as poimēn not a shepherd, the ruler of over Christ Church? Was that not obvious to you in the assembly of the early believer.

Lets stop this confusion please. You can decide to reject a practice but dont use scriptures to back up a self deciding decision that wasnt taught in the scriptures.

Kobojunkiee:
Only you would know how the word "feed" implies "to rule over/lord over/shepherd" in this case, I don't see it at all.

Since a literal interpretation cannot be applied to the phrase it is best to first establish what figure of it it most likely belongs to.

"Feed my sheep" reads more like a metaphor and this spoken to a fisherman - Peter and some of the other disciples had been fishing that same morning- who had just been fed breakfast by the very same Jesus Christ.

Yes, only moments before, Jesus Christ "Fed His sheep" a breakfast of fish and bread which He, Jesus Christ prepared for them.

You cant see it?
You quoted a STRONG CONCORDANCE and still claim you cant see Peter as Shepherd. You surely will need to read properly.

Dont let honesty elude you Sir.

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The word bosko implies to feed. Who feed the lambs considering Jews culture. A fisherman?

The word Feed is from poimaino
-to feed, to tend a flock, keep sheep, to rule, govern, of rulers. to tend as a shepherd of

It is from the word poimēn translated as a herdsman, esp. a shepherd, of the overseers.

All these is from STRONG and yet you cant see it even though you are looking at the book.

Bro, there is a serious issue here and its either with your heart or with your reading.

@GeneralDae
@Kobojunkie

Explain what "Feed" (poimaino, bosko) mean. Those are exact Jesus words.

Jesus was Jewish, he was speaking to Jews also. You cant neglect their culture and be interpreting scriptures like a Nigeria, African or Englishman.

All through the bible and Jewish culture, What is the person who feeds the lamb called?
Their society mostly have a culture of agrarian and pastoral, No Jew will see the phrase "feed the lamb", and wont understand immediately that you are now to shepherd.

You will need to stop reading Bible with a 20th century mind.
The moment Jesus told Peter to "Feed", Peter knows the responsibility to shepherd the flock is now committed to him. And you saw that all through the early church practices.

hoopernikao:
@GeneralDae
@Kobojunkie

Explain what "Feed" (poimaino, bosko) mean. Those are exact Jesus words.

Jesus was Jewish, he was speaking to Jews also. You cant neglect their culture and be interpreting scriptures like a Nigeria, African or Englishman.

All through the bible and Jewish culture, What is the person who feeds the lamb called?
Their society mostly have a culture of agrarian and pastoral, No Jew will see the phrase "feed the lamb", and wont understand immediately that you are now to shepherd.

You will need to stop reading Bible with a 20th century mind.
The moment Jesus told Peter to "Feed", Peter knows the responsibility to shepherd the flock is now committed to him. And you saw that all through the early church practices.

I already agreed that Peter was to teach or preach the gospel to the sheep and to take care of them like a servant of Jesus as his representative. Even Deacons were elected in Acts to take care of certain needs of the people. However, we do not see the hierarchy or organisation like in many churches of today. Peter was not appointed as a Shepherd, he was appointed as a Caretaker.
So many of the Daddy GO's and Pastors, Apostles, Bishops, etc of today are like lords in their congregations and this was not what Jesus commanded Peter. Peter, James, and John sought to be the greatest, but Jesus taught them that they must become the least of all if they want to be the greatest.

GeneralDae:
I already agreed that Peter was to teach or preach the gospel to the sheep and to take care of them like a servant of Jesus as his representative. Even Deacons were elected in Acts to take care of certain needs of the people. However, we do not see the hierarchy or organisation like in many churches of today. Peter was not appointed as a Shepherd, he was appointed as a Caretaker.
So many of the Daddy GO's and Pastors, Apostles, Bishops, etc of today are like lords in their congregations and this was not what Jesus commanded Peter. Peter, James, and John sought to be the greatest, but Jesus taught them that they must become the least of all if they want to be the greatest.

Bro, leave daddy GO, or whatever you call it. I am speaking about the scriptures, lets face that.

What does poimaino mean if not shepherd. Why skimming by the wall and avoiding to be clear on Peter's responsibility.

He was to shepherd others. That is where you can find the word Feed.

Deacons werent asked to shepherd. Deacon diakoneō is to serve not to rule. Shepherd poimēn are to RULE.

The moment you twist the usage of the word shepherd, you could likewise use the same everywhere it is used for God or Jesus in the Bible, that they are caretakers too but not Shepherd.

A shepherd is to rule, Peter was given that authority.

hoopernikao:
@GeneralDae
@Kobojunkie

Explain what "Feed" (poimaino, bosko) mean. Those are exact Jesus words.

Jesus was Jewish, he was speaking to Jews also. You cant neglect their culture and be interpreting scriptures like a Nigeria, African or Englishman.

All through the bible and Jewish culture, What is the person who feeds the lamb called?
Their society mostly have a culture of agrarian and pastoral, No Jew will see the phrase "feed the lamb", and wont understand immediately that you are now to shepherd.

You will need to stop reading Bible with a 20th century mind.
The moment Jesus told Peter to "Feed", Peter knows the responsibility to shepherd the flock is now committed to him. And you saw that all through the early church practices.

Feed in that context doesn't necessarily mean to lead.
It means to continuously preach to them.

Though Jesus did not directly say they were going to lead the church but it's obvious they were selected to lead without lauding it over others.

In fact in Jesus' context to lead is to become servants.

John 13: 12-17
When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. “You call me ‘Teacher’and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am.

Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet.

I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master,nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.