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So i attended today miracle Monday Bible Studies when Pastor W.F Kumuyi teached about submission and so many other doctrines.

Here is His take on submission

Taking His text from 1Cor. 11:1-3
The head of Christ is God, the head of man is Christ, the head of the woman is the man(husband). 1Cor. 11:3

Drawing examples from the centurion if you are familiar with the bible you know the centurion is a command of an army who have authorities over him and hold authority over group of soldiers who submit to him.
However, He(centurion) recognize the authority of Christ.

Submission is not slavery. The child have to accept to submit to his parent/ and teacher.
At work you submit to your boss, not as a slave but as a subordinate.

Submission covers all areas in life and when there is submission there is fruitfulness. 1Cor. 11:9

Hope this help address the issue of equality and submission or what is your take?

Hatrik:
So i attended today miracle Monday Bible Studies when Pastor W.F Kumuyi teached about submission and so many other doctrines.Here is His take on submission
Taking His text from 1Cor. 11:1-3 The head of Christ is God, the head of man is Christ, the head of the woman is the man(husband). 1Cor. 11:3
Drawing examples from the centurion if you are familiar with the bible you know the centurion is a command of an army who have authorities over him and hold authority over group of soldiers who submit to him.
However, He(centurion) recognize the authority of Christ.
Submission is not slavery. The child have to accept to submit to his parent/ and teacher.
At work you submit to your boss, not as a slave but as a subordinate.
Submission covers all areas in life and when there is submission there is fruitfulness. 1Cor. 11:9
Hope this help address the issue of equality and submission or what is your take?

Address what issue of equality and submission? The above is rubbish where the teachings of Jesus Christ are concerned.

Submission of the kind taught by Jesus Christ is instead that of a servant to His Master. Yes, in the Kingdom of God, you are called to Submit to the one who is Head over you implying that you become a servant to the one who is your Master.

Matthew 23 vs 10-12 (ERV)
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10. And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
11. Whoever serves you like a servant is the greatest among you.
12. People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great.

There is only one Head/Master over all those who are followers of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is it. Any other head is an idol pretending to occupy the seat that belongs to God, and we all know that Idolatry is sin. What this means is that a man who supposes himself head over a woman seeks to install himself as god over her, and that very idea is antichrist in origin.

Any man who supposed himself head over a woman in the way that Jesus Christ is Head/Master over His church is thoroughly deceived and sins against God by pretending he is god over her.

Now, if a woman is to submit to her husband, then that woman cannot be a follower of Jesus Christ, why? Because Christ said you cannot serve two masters.

Matthew 6 vs 24 (ERV)
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24. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other. You cannot serve God and Money[d] at the same time.

Either the woman submits to her husband or she submits to Jesus Christ -- she cannot submit to both. Same for the man... a man cannot submit to his wife and Jesus Christ at the same time. It is impossible to do so in the Kingdom of God. So all those who belong to the Kingdom of God have a decision to make as to who they choose to submit to.

So what does this all mean? It means the assertion made in 1 Corinthians 11 is wrong and contradicts the Word of God.

Kobojunkiee:
Address what issue of equality and submission? The above is rubbish where the teachings of Jesus Christ are concerned.

Submission of the kind taught by Jesus Christ is instead that of a servant to His Master. Yes, in the Kingdom of God, you are called to Submit to the one who is Head over you implying that you become a servant to the one who is your Master.
There is only one Head/Master over all those who are followers of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is it. Any other head is an idol pretending to occupy the seat that belongs to God, and we all know that Idolatry is sin. What this means is that a man who supposes himself head over a woman seeks to install himself as god over her, and that very idea is antichrist in origin.

Now, if a woman is to submit to her husband, then that woman cannot be a follower of Jesus Christ, why? Because Christ said you cannot serve two masters. Either the woman submits to her husband or she submits to Jesus Christ -- she cannot submit to both. Same for the man... a man cannot submit to his wife and Jesus Christ at the same time. It is impossible to do so in the Kingdom of God. So all those who belong to the Kingdom of God have a decision to make as to who they choose to submit to.

So what does this all mean? It means the assertion made in 1 Corinthians 11 is wrong and contradicts the Word of God.

Are you saying that some part of the scripture is not the word of God?? "All scripture is given by inspiration, to reprove, direct....." you really can not be selective of the scripture my friend.

In Genesis God created the woman for the man. God create orderliness not because even in heaven there is orderliness and level. Man submitting to his superior doesn't mean he is under meaning God no never! God is divine already but a woman submitting to her husband is scriptural dont be deceived with civilization and feministic ideology.

Hatrik:
Are you saying that some part of the scripture is not the word of God??

I am afraid you are quite mistaken in your adoption of man's doctrines and traditions, which Jesus Christ told you were nothing but lies that heap curses on those who imbibe them.

The Bible/Scripture is not the word of God. Instead, Jesus Christ, who is not scripture, nor your bible, is the Word of God. Scripture is instead a composition of words of humans, Satan, demons, and yes, the Word of God Himself. So to declare that it is all of God is ludicrous.

Hatrik:
"All scripture is given by inspiration, to reprove, direct....." you really can not be selective of the scripture my friend.

In the book of Genesis, you are told that all knowledge, of good and of evil, belongs to God. What that means is that all knowledge, whether good or evil is inspired by God. So when you say Scripture is inspired by God, be sure to understand that it is not just scripture that is inspired by God but all knowledge that is inspired by God.

Hatrik:
In Genesis God created the woman for the man. God create orderliness not because even in heaven there is orderliness and level. Man submitting to his superior doesn't mean he is under meaning God no never! God is divine already but a woman submitting to her husband is scriptural dont be deceived with civilization and feministic ideology.

I am afraid you are mistaken. God created man and woman.. because God wanted to create man and woman. God did no create even the animals for man, He did not create the earth for man, nor the sun and moon for man, so why would you believe that God created the woman for man?

I think you should stop listening to your pastors and start listening instead to Jesus Christ. In Christ's Kingdom, there are no differences... no men or women, no jews or gentiles, no young or old, no black or white... none of that exists in the Kingdom of God. In His Kingdom, there is only one kind... Children of God and Jesus Christ is Head over them all.

Anyone supposing himself head over another is not a follower of Jesus Christ. In the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ is the one and only Head/Master over all His followers.

Matthew 23 vs 10-12 (ERV)
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10. And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
11. Whoever serves you like a servant is the greatest among you.
12. People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great.

Anyone supposing he has a head separate from or in addition to Jesus Christ, is not a follower of Jesus Christ since as Jesus Christ declared, you cannot have two heads/Masters in His Kingdom.

Matthew 6 vs 24 (ERV)
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24. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other. You cannot serve God and Money[d] at the same time.

So the man and woman who claim to be in a relationship where the man is head and the woman submits to her need to seriously have their claim to be in relationship with Jesus Christ reexamined. Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, will not change His law for their sake and He will certainly not lower the standard He came to give us where His Kingdom is concerned.

Remember, it is Jesus Christ, and His teaching, the very Word of God, that you are called to put your trust in, not the doctrines of men that contradict His teachings/commandments.

John 14 vs 25-31 (ESV)
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15. “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Now, unless you are trying to somehow declare that Jesus Christ is a feminist, I say you try to keep that off of this so we can stick to discussing what is the Kingdom of God apart from the delusions and doctrines of men.