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AsherAmari:
Greetings to you my brethen.
Now, while cohabiting with someone else is not a sin in itself, based on the context
(premarital cohabitation) in which we are going to be looking at it in a nutshell, it is an act that could lead to sin. Eg, the sin of fornication.

A lot of people have deviated from the ancient landmark and practices of old that preserved our moral values and good conducts in time past. Everyone and even some Christians are now creating and following a wrong path and pattern of practice. promoting sexual Immorality hence the rise in moral decadence in the society. The worst of it is, parents, guardians and even some religious leaders have been silent about it, refusing to take a step towards putting a stop to these anormalies and the anger of God is kindled against those who do such.

AsherAmari:
Read...
1 Samuel 3:12-14 In that day I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house: when I begin, I will also make an end.
For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.
And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever.

AsherAmari:
Premarital cohabitation is when two people of opposite sex are living together as husband and wife when they are not legally married. This practice is veeery common today in our society and has even crept into the house of God. You'll see a bro and a sis that are not married cohabiting and they still come and lift up "holy" hands in the house of God and join the workforce. This is very wrong in the sight of God and man.

They even have students couple where young boys and girls live together as spouses in school.

Some come to church and even join the work force as workers in the house of God but they are not legally married and they begin to birth children under this condition because no one is speaking up.

AsherAmari:
Now, When when these things become too much, it annoys God and He can get even with the fellow, Family or even group of people carrying out such evil practices in his sight. Just like he got angry with the sons of Eli and sent a warning to their father. telling him he would deal with his sons for their evil ways since Eli has refused to correct his children on their wrong doings just like no one is speaking up against this issue of premarital cohabitation, especially in the Church today.

AsherAmari:
Read...
1 Samuel 3:16-18
Then Eli called Samuel, and said, Samuel, my son. And he answered, Here am I.
And he said, What is the thing that the LORD hath said unto thee? I pray thee hide it not from me: God do so to thee, and more also, if thou hide any thing from me of all the things that he said unto thee.
And Samuel told him every whit, and hid nothing from him. And he said, It is the LORD: let him do what seemeth him good.

Instead of calling these people to order in the Church, everyone is feeling less concerned and forming, "I don't want to talk. Thou shalt not judge, It's God's house. Let Him handle it himself" bla bla...
Exactly Eli's reacting to God's warning. We saw how God dealt with him.

AsherAmari:
So my brethen, are you into premarital cohabitation? Please come out from it because apart from the spiritual inplications, there are other disadvantages of cohabiting with someone whom you're not legally married to.

AsherAmari:
We've heard cases of men who as a result of cohabiting with a girl was made to marry the corpse at death and perform the full marriage rites for the dead as tradition demands. Now, is that a good testimony?

AsherAmari:
Repent now from these evil practice and let's go back to the ancient landmark and practices of old where we waited paitiently in our fathers houses until all rites are performed before coming to live together as man and wife. It is not a difficult task or thing to do.

AsherAmari:
According to the book of
Genesis 29:18, 20-22, 28-29 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter.
And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her.
And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her.
And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.
And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.

See how long it took Jacob to get the love of his life. With hard work and respect for his would-be Father inlaw. That is how it is meant to be.

I pray the Lord gives us the grace to begin to retrace our steps back to the ancient landmark.

Kobojunkiee:
Ancient landmarks? You mean your man-made traditions and cultures? They have nothing to do with God or Christianity though.
And since Jesus Christ said God has left all the judging to Him as far as His flock is concerned, why are you waiting on the "anger of God" to be kindled against anyone?
What has the house of Eli to do with Cohabitation, premarital or not?
Does God only recognize your "legal marriages" where marriage is concerned?
It is nothing like the case of Eli and his sons please. Eli was the high priest in God's temple and so under a different set of rules as far as the Old Covenant is concerned, and that is one of the major reasons why God sought to humiliate him for the evil he wrought. Your average cohabitating couple occupies no such place and so are not to be compared with Eli in any way at all.
It seems you assume those engaged in this have no clue that they are living in sin(assuming that to be the case) and it is your place to correct them. But what if they are fully aware that they may be living in sin, what do you intend for your fellow churchians to do in that case?
Spiritual implications of living in sin? Those who live in sin are of their father, the devil, Jesus Christ said this, so what "spiritual implications" do you speak of?
I seriously would like to know where God said,"...unless your marriage is "legal", it is not marriage I recognize"?
Bullsheet story... I can give you more than 1000 stories of couples who you recognized as married today that cohabited before they were "legally" married, and are doing just fine.
Obviously, these people do not care for your ancient landmarks and practices of old, that is why they are openly indulging as they see fit. How can you offer them nothing better than the bondage they lived in previously as a reason to stop that which they consider freeing today?
You actually want them to do what Jacob did?

AsherAmari:
I didn't post this for any arguement. I don't have the strength for that.
Those who got the message got it and im glad as that is the sole aim of this message.
Good day.

Kobojunkiee:
I am not arguing with you. Simply wanting to learn why you do not teach Jesus Christ but instead your ancient landmarks and practices of old, all this you do, in the name of God.
You also teach your "legal" idea of marriage, which has nothing to do with God's definition of marriage too.

AsherAmari:
I never preached any legal idea but used it as an example for some who may want to use legal backings to dump a woman they have been cohabiting with when issues starts arising. Please stop dragging me back

The acient landmarks are not bad. They are still in line with Jesus' teachings and are better than the recent practices im speaking against. so preaching and encouraging them is not out of place or would you rather I encourage them to continue in the Immoral of act?

Please I just got back from Bible studies and trying to meditate on what I learnt. Don't scatter my thoughts with this your unending arguments.

Go and sleep.

paxonel:
What i will simply say is this :
1. What is sin is not when a boy and a girl (both 18 and above) are dating each other and having sex. What is sin is when they fail to continue the relationship and remain faithful to each other as they promise each other till they are formally married and continue till death do them apart
2. The factor that constitute sin in such relationship is when any one of them is hurt or pained as a result of the break up, or one of them gilting the other which is not different from what happens to formally married people
3. Any break up should be treated as a divorce and nothing more
4. Formally married people who break up or divorce feels the same hurt like people who date and break up, no difference.
5. Sex between matured people who are grown enough to take care of themselves amount to absolutely nothing to the person of God. Rather, if they are enjoying the act, good for them. If they are not enjoying it, good for them.
6. If there is any unwanted pregnancy or incidence of STD transmission as a result, then it is a sin.
7. Love should be the only reason one should engage in sex, otherwise it is a sin

Kobojunkiee:
How can ancient landmarks be of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ said your marriages are of this world and not His Kingdom?

How can your ancient landmarks and practices of old be of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ made it clear that doctrines and traditions of men are nothing but lies as far as the Word of God is concerned?

Your legal idea has no place with God who declare instead that a marriage is simply a man leaving his father and mother and cleaving to the woman he desires. Your legal is a complete departure from what God prescribed so how can it be of God?

paxonel:
What i will simply say is this :
1. What is sin is not when a boy and a girl (both 18 and above) are dating each other and having sex. What is sin is when they fail to continue the relationship and remain faithful to each other as they promise each other till they are formally married and continue till death do them apart
2. The factor that constitute sin in such relationship is when any one of them is hurt or pained as a result of the break up, or one of them gilting the other which is not different from what happens to formally married people
3. Any break up should be treated as a divorce and nothing more
4. Formally married people who break up or divorce feels the same hurt like people who date and break up, no difference.
5. Sex between matured people who are grown enough to take care of themselves amount to absolutely nothing to the person of God. Rather, if they are enjoying the act, good for them. If they are not enjoying it, good for them.
6. If there is any unwanted pregnancy or incidence of STD transmission as a result, then it is a sin.
7. Love should be the only reason one should engage in sex, otherwise it is a sin

Kobojunkiee:
Here's what is recorded in biblical scripture instead

1. Lust, that desire to possess that which is not married to you, is sin according to Jesus Christ.

2. When 2 unmarried individuals lust after each other, they sin.

According to God's law, in order to be considered married, the man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his woman,only then can they become one. Two people in a dating relationship who have yet to abandon parents( particularly the man) to become a unit of their own are not married according to God's law.

3. The break up of a sexual relationship between 2 unmarried individuals changes nothing of their sin, lust.

4. There are different kinds of sexual relationships out there

5. God does not condone sex between "matured" individuals but instead sex between married individuals.

6. "Unwanted pregnancies" and "STDs" are not billed as sin by God. Instead lust, and divorce for any reason other than fornication, are the two sex-related sins we are commanded against.

7. There are no stipulations given as to reason for sex. So long as a couple are married , they are free to engage for any reason they choose.

AsherAmari:
Wow!
This is very commendable.
I see you've had enough rest hence the more constructive and less argumentative response. More of this from you junkie.
Thank you for this. Phew!

Kobojunkiee:
How can ancient landmarks be of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ said your marriages are of this world and not His Kingdom?

How can your ancient landmarks and practices of old be of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ made it clear that doctrines and traditions of men are nothing but lies as far as the Word of God is concerned?

Your legal idea has no place with God who declare instead that a marriage is simply a man leaving his father and mother and cleaving to the woman he desires. Your legal is a complete departure from what God prescribed so how can it be of God?

what rest? :

You skipped these questions ..

Kobojunkiee:
Here's what is recorded in biblical scripture instead

1. Lust, that desire to possess that which is not married to you, is sin according to Jesus Christ.

2. When 2 unmarried individuals lust after each other, they sin.

According to God's law, in order to be considered married, the man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his woman,only then can they become one. Two people in a dating relationship who have yet to abandon parents( particularly the man) to become a unit of their own are not married according to God's law.

5. God does not condone sex between "matured" individuals but instead sex between married individuals.

7. There are no stipulations given as to reason for sex. So long as a couple are married , they are free to engage for any reason they choose.

AsherAmari:
Lies from the pit of hell. Even a pagan will not accept this your theory.

Go and study the word of God very well and stop saying what is not in the Bible.

paxonel:
i didn't know we have another female jw here

Well, you will have to constructively use scripture to debunk any of the 7 points i raised, or you are not near to proving me wrong

AsherAmari:
I don't argue the word of God. Period.

paxonel:
very true!
But how do you know that one is not married to a person, what is actually marriage?
The bible recorded in Genesis 24:67 that the moment Isaac brought Rebecca into his mothers tent, she became his wife.
No wedding
No bride price
No formal ceremony we usually do today.

Marriage does not begin at the point were people wed, celebrate and pay bride price, it begin at the point where the couples involved agree to live and stay together
perhaps the very thing you call lust is when both of them do not love each other or have good intention towards the future of that union they have
you just said according to God's law the man shall leave his parents and cleave to his woman. He has left his parent what exactly does the parent want again, money?
And I'm saying that if the man is not ready to marry the girl, then he shouldn't think of having sex with her, otherwise it is sin
you mean, couples are free to engage into sex even when they do not love each other?

Kobojunkie:
2. Lust , the sin, exists as intention birthed in one's heart.

7.God does not stipulate that "love" exist between the parties before a marriage relationship can be entered into. Also, Jesus Christ declared that your marriages are of this world so whatever you do in it has nothing to do with His Kingdom.

AsherAmari:
You keep saying " your marriages" as if you're not married or as if Christ is against it.

Bia, kpacha kwa Anya gi.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, by that declaration, made clear that is no such thing as a "Christian" marriage. So, anyone selling you on the idea is a liar and a deceiver... a false prophet and teacher.

Marriages start and end here on earth... there are no family reunions in Heaven ... or in Hell. So, your spouse and children, you have and abandon here on earth, much the same as your car and your houses.

AsherAmari:
[/b]Every Christian knows this.

Kobojunkie:
Really?
So does your pastor know this when he gets up there to preach to you about" Christian" relationships and marriages?
Also, when he teaches of your birthing "holy" children and of how one spouse can somehow be saved by consequence of the other being saved, does he know this?
Do your preachers know this when they give you rules as regard how to meet a Christian spouse?

Or when they say such things like God does not allow you marry an unbeliever?

AsherAmari:
What are you even saying and how do you know what these men of God preach when you don't even go to church?

How is christian marriage a wrong teaching? It's is a straight forward thing. I mean..... Christian marriage simply means Christian getting married to a fellow Christian. Cos the Bible clearly says we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. I wonder what you think it is.

Can you marry a Muslim or someone who doesn't share same beliefs as you?
Stop twisting things just to suit your argument. These things are clearly stated.

Kobojunkie:
Pattern attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ, the HEAD CHRISTian Himself told you Himself that your marriages have nothing to do with Him and His Kingdom.

What then makes you insist that He lied and instead your marriages, which you declare, against Him mind you, are CHRISTian?

Why do you insist that your unions which, He already declared to you are not of His Kingdom, are taught by Him in some way?

Why do you think that even after He made it clear to you that your marriage has nothing to do with His Kingdom, He cares whether you marry a Muslim or a pagan?

AsherAmari:
You better change.
Good night.

Kobojunkie:
You need to stop listening to people and instead turn your eyes and ears to God.

AsherAmari:
I'm not listening to people. I study the word myself. Ok?