AbaLion:

The Regions only existed in names but Regionalism (the fundamentals, vestiges, and essentials of regions) was collapsed.

-Lion

Lol.
So in other words, Ironsi did not abolished the regional system but collapsed the regionalism according to you.

Who abolished the regional system?

QuotaSystem:
Dead Propaganda from frustrated Igbos

It was Santa Claus that introduced Decree 34.

If not for Santa Nigeria would have still had its regions intact.

You're a product of "QUOTA SYSTEM" no need arguing with you because I'm very sure you are one of those that have to score just 10 mark to gain admission into the unity school.
After the death of Ironsi and Fajuyi, the governor of Western region, Adeyinka Adebayo was appointed as governor of Western region, that suppose to tell you that the regional system was still intact. Tell me, did Ironsi abolished the system from his grave?

QuotaSystem is very bad and it is seriously affecting our security and judicial system

gidgiddy:


There were 4 Regions, each Region had resource control, fiscal responsibility and practiced the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence

Ironsi came in and the 4 Regions were there throughout the 6 months he was in power, all 4 had resource control and fiscal responsibility

So in what way did Ironsi abolish Regionalism?

Lies!

Regional powers and autonomy were dissolved under the control of the center.

-Lion

wordcat:


You're a product of "QUOTA SYSTEM" no need arguing with you because I'm very sure you are one of those that have to score just 10 mark to gain admission into the unity school.
After the death of Ironsi and Fajuyi, the governor of Western region, Adeyinka Adebayo was appointed as governor of Western region, that suppose to tell you that the regional system was still intact. Tell me, did Ironsi abolished the system from his grave?

QuotaSystem is very bad and it is seriously affecting our security and judicial system

You argue blindly. We had Premiers elected by the people NOT Military Governors who took orders and reported to a military dictator who appointed them.
All civil service structures and the entire federating units were collapsed under the control of the center. Ironsi killed Regionalism, Gowon buried it.

-Lion

Oliviaohms:

Hahahahahhahahahahha
Another lie
Nigeria became a republic in 1963
Hence it was called federal republic of Nigeria
Lie busted
Gowon dissolved regional government and create state
This was deliberately done to divide eastern region during the fracas of disagreement of igbo progrom
River state was created
Guess what you can’t rewrite history

Nigeria became a federal republic in 1963 until 1966 when Aguiyi Ironsi destroyed the structures of the federating regions. Hence, Nigeria became merely a republic with no more federal structures.

-LIon

Oliviaohms:

Hahahahahhahahahahha
Another lie
Nigeria became a republic in 1963
Hence it was called federal republic of Nigeria
Lie busted
Gowon dissolved regional government and create state
This was deliberately done to divide eastern region during the fracas of disagreement of igbo progrom
River state was created
Guess what you can’t rewrite history

Abalion is right. That decree made sure Nigeria cease to be a federation and became a full republic.

The 1963 republic is more about us severing ties from the British queen. It’s a different context. Remember even after we got independence in 1960, the British queen still remained the ceremonial titular head of state until 1963 when we severed ties and we had our own official ceremonial president called Azikiwe. That was when we became that Republic.

However Ironsi in 1966 made a decree that abolished the regional system of government with all the framework that made it regional and he then went ahead to group provinces together and create military governments to head each group of provinces. He suspended the constitution by that act.

Below is the decree by Ironsi. You can see that he specifically mentioned that Nigeria is now a republic.

One thing to note from the decree, if you look critically you will see that he was removing everything that had Federal in it.
--The 2. (1a) The Federal Military government will be known as National Military Government
The Federal Executive Council will be known as Executive Council.
--The 2. (1b) The Federal Capital Territory will be known as Capital Territory

I don't know the type of education they are teaching you guys in the East. Maybe your government should create like an exchange program so most of you can come to universities in the West to learn coz if the status quo remain, a vast majority of Ibo will look like clowns in the public eye when conversing with intellectuals.

[img]https:///65535/51154082794_918da603d0_b_d.jpg[/img]

QuotaSystem:
Dead Propaganda from frustrated Igbos

It was Santa Claus that introduced Decree 34.

If not for Santa Nigeria would have still had its regions intact.

How come Ojukwu was a regional governor even after the death of Ironsi?

wordcat:


You're a product of "QUOTA SYSTEM" no need arguing with you because I'm very sure you are one of those that have to score just 10 mark to gain admission into the unity school.
After the death of Ironsi and Fajuyi, the governor of Western region, Adeyinka Adebayo was appointed as governor of Western region, that suppose to tell you that the regional system was still intact. Tell me, did Ironsi abolished the system from his grave?

QuotaSystem is very bad and it is seriously affecting our security and judicial system

Lol. Okoro, first of all...

QuotaSystem:
"Quota system products like me" are much brighter, smarter, intelligent, articulate, rational and well-rounded than the semi literate, grammatically challenged, intellectually bereft, tactless, irrational ipob school dropouts like Emma powerdaft that litter this forum.

Quit deluding your mediocre, barely intelligible selves.

You can continue to deceive only yourself and your fellow brainwashed ipob goons . Ironsi enacted, birthed, midwifed and delivered Decree 34 of 1966 which officially abolished the regions. Gowon simply cemented Ironsi's backfired foolishness. You can strike your head on a hard, sharp place from now till eternity but even your soul will succumb to the fact that history is more stubborn than you ipob rodents could ever be.

You were outwitted, outsmarted and outplayed in your Ironsi driven quest to dominate Nigeria.

Sore losers

gidgiddy:


If anybody tells you that Ironsi abolished the Regions, ask that person why the Regions were still existing 8 months after Ironsi had died

Ironsi introduced provinces which was still like the regional system. So, nothing changed.

Iegendhero:


Abalion is right. That decree made sure Nigeria cease to be a federation and became a full republic.

The 1963 republic is more about us severing ties from the British queen. It’s a different context. Remember even after we got independence in 1960, the British queen still remained the ceremonial titular head of state until 1963 when we severed ties and we had our own official ceremonial president called Azikiwe. That was when we became that Republic.

However Ironsi in 1966 made a decree that abolished the regional system of government with all the framework that made it regional and he then went ahead to group provinces together and create military governments to head each group of provinces. He suspended the constitution by that act.

Below is the decree by Ironsi. You can see that he specifically mentioned that Nigeria is now a republic.

One thing to note from the decree, if you look critically you will see that he was removing everything that had Federal in it.
--The 2. (1a) The Federal Military government will be known as National Military Government
The Federal Executive Council will be known as Executive Council.
--The 2. (1b) The Federal Capital Territory will be known as Capital Territory

I don't know the type of education they are teaching you guys in the East. Maybe your government should create like an exchange program so most of you can come to universities in the West to learn coz if the status quo remain, a vast majority of Ibo will look like clowns in the public eye when conversing with intellectuals.

[img]https:///65535/51154082794_918da603d0_b_d.jpg[/img]

You are talking about two different things here. Nobody is denying that Ironsi was running a military dictatorship without the pillars of democracy.

What is being disputed is if it was Ironsi that abolished Regionalism and introduced unitary rule.

How could Ironsi have been the one that abolished Regionalism if the 4 Regions he met on the ground were still existing the day he died?

How is it possible that Ironsi introduced unitary rule when all 4 Regions had resource control and fiscal federalism right up to the day Ironsi died?

QuotaSystem:


Lol. Okoro, first of all...



Quit deluding your mediocre, barely intelligible selves.

You can continue to deceive only yourself and your fellow brainwashed ipob goons . Ironsi enacted, birthed, midwifed and delivered Decree 34 of 1966 which officially abolished the regions. You can strike your head on a hard, sharp place from now till eternity but even your soul will succumb to the fact that history is more stubborn than you ipob rodents could ever be.

You were outwitted, outsmarted and outplayed in your Ironsi driven quest to dominate Nigeria.

Sore losers

If Ironsi abolished Regionalism, then how come the 4 Regions of the time were still existing the day Ironsi died?

Iegendhero:


Abalion is right. That decree made sure Nigeria cease to be a federation and became a full republic.

The 1963 republic is more about us severing ties from the British queen. It’s a different context. Remember even after we got independence in 1960, the British queen still remained the ceremonial titular head of state until 1963 when we severed ties and we had our own official ceremonial president called Azikiwe. That was when we became that Republic.

However Ironsi in 1966 made a decree that abolished the regional system of government with all the framework that made it regional and he then went ahead to group provinces together and create military governments to head each group of provinces. He suspended the constitution by that act.

Below is the decree by Ironsi. You can see that he specifically mentioned that Nigeria is now a republic.

One thing to note from the decree, if you look critically you will see that he was removing everything that had Federal in it.
--The 2. (1a) The Federal Military government will be known as National Military Government
The Federal Executive Council will be known as Executive Council.
--The 2. (1b) The Federal Capital Territory will be known as Capital Territory

I don't know the type of education they are teaching you guys in the East. Maybe your government should create like an exchange program so most of you can come to universities in the West to learn coz if the status quo remain, a vast majority of Ibo will look like clowns in the public eye when conversing with intellectuals.

[img]https:///65535/51154082794_918da603d0_b_d.jpg[/img]

Does that mean that even though he made those decrees, they were not implemented until after his death? Cos Ojukwu still acted as the military governor of the eastern region until may of 1977, and not province as u imply.

gidgiddy:


You are talking about two different things here. Nobody is denying that Ironsi was running a military dictatorship without the pillars of democracy.

What is being disputed is if it was Ironsi that abolished Regionalism and introduced unitary rule.

How could Ironsi have been the one that abolished Regionalism if the 4 Regions he met on the ground were still existing the day he died?

How is it possible that Ironsi introduced unitary rule when all 4 Regions had resource control and fiscal federalism right up to the day Ironsi died?

Facts are sacrosanct no matter how hard you might try to spin it.
Facts are staring at you and spitting your lying face.
Decree 34 was also known as " the Unification decree". All federal structures, resource control, civil service were collapsed under a unitary system under the control of a stronger central government. The regions were broken into provinces.
I wonder how you guys passed through elementary school if basic comprehension could be this hard on you.

-Lion

gidgiddy:


If Ironsi abolished Regionalism, then how come the 4 Regions of the time were still existing the day Ironsi died?

Who birthed & passed Decree 34?

Keep swinging on the vines of self-delusion. You fool only yourselves.

AbaLion:

Facts are sacrosanct no matter how hard you might try to spin it.
Facts are staring at you and spitting your lying face.
Decree 34 was also known as " the Unification decree". All federal structures, resources control, civil service were collapsed under a unitary system under the control of a stronger central government. The regions were broken into provinces.
I wonder how you guys passed through elementary school if basic comprehension could be this hard on you.

-Lion

Lol they are only pretending to be daft.

gidgiddy:


[s]You are talking about two different things here. Nobody is denying that Ironsi was running a military dictatorship without the pillars of democracy.

What is being disputed is if it was Ironsi that abolished Regionalism and introduced unitary rule.

How could Ironsi have been the one that abolished Regionalism if the 4 Regions he met on the ground were still existing the day he died?

How is it possible that Ironsi introduced unitary rule when all 4 Regions had resource control and fiscal federalism right up to the day Ironsi died?[/s]

Stop saying nonsense.

That is the proof staring in your face and you are still here applying IPOB logic.

The same useless logic you guys used to support your false Ojukwu released Awo from prison rubbish.

Arguing with an IPOB is a waste of time honestly because they usually don't take to simple correction.

QuotaSystem:
Dead Propaganda from frustrated Igbos

It was Santa Claus that introduced Decree 34.

If not for Santa Nigeria would have still had its regions intact.

Gowan had an ample opportunity to kill decree 34, Buhari did not implement the 2014 Confab Jonathan left for him, Gowan would have done the same but he went ahead with the creation of states.

Iegendhero:


Stop saying nonsense.

That is the proof staring in your face and you are still here applying IPOB logic.

The same useless logic you guys used to support your false Ojukwu released Awo from prison rubbish.

Arguing with an IPOB is a waste of time honestly because they usually don't take to simple correction.

This is not IPOB logic, this simple question and answer. How is it possible that Ironsi abolished Regionalism when the 4 Regions he met when he came in were still there the day he died?

How is possible that Ironsi introduced unitary rule when the 4 Regions not only existed throughout his six months tenure, but also had resource control and fiscal federalism?

If you cant answer these 2 questions then keep quiet.

AbaLion:
You can never get away with this.

-Lion

https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/13478756_img20210502131729836_jpeg8dded7257a234983f6b7d93a28c039d5

Did you check the source of the crap you posted as evidence of fact?

QuotaSystem:


Who birthed & passed Decree 34?

Keep swinging on the vines of self-delusion. You fool only yourselves.

Its one of the many falsehoods peddled for many years, that decree 34 abolished Regionalism. It did not.

The simple way to know this is that all 4 Regions were existing and had resource control even on the day Ironsi died

The only thing Decree 34 dud was standardise the civil service

AbaLion:

Facts are sacrosanct no matter how hard you might try to spin it.
Facts are staring at you and spitting your lying face.
Decree 34 was also known as " the Unification decree". All federal structures, resources control, civil service were collapsed under a unitary system under the control of a stronger central government. The regions were broken into provinces.
I wonder how you guys passed through elementary school if basic comprehension could be this hard on you.

-Lion

Take more time to read decree 34, it only standardised the civil service. The decree called the Regions "groups of Provinces". Thats what they were any way. Its the same as calling a state a "group of local governments", thats what a state in Nigeria is.

Decree 34 never broke up anything. It did not take away resource control nor cancel fiscal federalism.

It only standardised the civil service.

gidgiddy:


You are talking about two different things here. Nobody is denying that Ironsi was running a military dictatorship without the pillars of democracy.

What is being disputed is if it was Ironsi that abolished Regionalism and introduced unitary rule.

How could Ironsi have been the one that abolished Regionalism if the 4 Regions he met on the ground were still existing the day he died?

How is it possible that Ironsi introduced unitary rule when all 4 Regions had resource control and fiscal federalism right up to the day Ironsi died?

Please stop arguing like a thirsty stubborn goat that refuses to be led to the river to drink water. You are just holding on the the false view that Gowon destroyed Nigeria's regionalism instead of Ironsi purely on sentimental and emotional reasons instead of fact. Many people have educated you but you stubbornly refuse to drink from their fountain of knowledge.

Read decree 34 of 1966 by General Ironsi. Why do you think he labelled it the Unification Decree?
Ironsi abolished the federation structure of government with regions as the federating units and converted them to a unitary form of government with the same regions as its component units. Whether you call then provinces,regions or states it does not matter. The fact that he continued to call them regions did not change the fact that they lost their independence to the centre. Some countries refer to their Federating components as states instead of regions. What is the difference between states, regions or provinces? Gowon simply changed the appellation from regions to states.

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