gregyboy:



Thw scholar was defending it but if you go through the entire article ypu will see how desperate egharevba was and i believed he did it, to initially distort it

What spelling error could it be that was a lame excuse

Lol.. u too funny

Fezz:


1978 article you said .. that sums it up mate. The revitionists are at work. They had to wait that long to put it in record that chalk was used to draw yoruba tribal marks on the Obas face. Such senseless talk. We have so many bronze heads of the obas, show me one where yoruba tribal mark is present. You guys employed whites and the British to distort Benin history in the 1970's and you think we will fall for it. Why weren't such articles about tribal marks recorded pre colonial era. Nonsense!

I'm still waiting for you to tell me Oduduwas title. The Benin chiefs took Oduduwa as his title and that is why he's still recognised as Oduduwa till today. We all know his real name was Ekalederan. In Benin Kingdom once you become a king, you are addressed using your kingship name while your real name is discarded.

That is the mistake so many people make. This is his real title "Omon’oba N’Edo".. Oba is just the short form of his title and that's why the yorubas think it's a yorubas word whereas it's purely a Benin title.

That "Omon'oba N'Edo" is even a Yoruba phrase

Omo Oba Ni Edo meaning the child of the king in Edo

davidnazee:


Lol.. u too funny

Nope you funny because ypu dont think, you see only what people want you to see

I read the obvious message on screenshot before i sent it, i thought you would see beyond what was written and get my message

But you still need to be spoon fed


I pity the benins of this generation

Even to defend the history our ancestor made they cant....


If i was select true binis people like ur kind would be out listed

babtoundey:



That "Omon'oba N'Edo" is even a Yoruba phrase

Omo Oba Ni Edo meaning the child of the king in Edo

Oga use your brain..... Bini languages is not yoruba so carry your yorubaistic interpretation out of here


Omo =child
No=that
Ba =shines

Omo-no-ba ( a child that shines)


Hope i wont be correcting again next month

babtoundey:



That "Omon'oba N'Edo" is even a Yoruba phrase

Omo Oba Ni Edo meaning the child of the king in Edo

Sorry but it does not mean the same thing in Edo language. It is "Omo n'oba n'edo"... and not "omo oba ni edo". Besides Oba does not mean king in Edo. It means celestial light (devine).

The capital of Japan in the past was known as "Edo"... that does not mean the Benins are related to Japan. The same goes with how Oba has different meanings to both the Yoruba and Benin. It's okay for different tribes to share similar words but have different meanings.

gregyboy:




Oga use your brain..... Bini languages is not yoruba so carry your yorubaistic interpretation out of here


Omo =child
No=that
Ba =shines

Omo-no-ba ( a child that shines)


Hope i wont be correcting again next month

Who on this forum doesn't know you are a big idiot who thinks himself smart and intelligent?
Just as ogun, oya, yeepa, iyooba, Ada and other words your people share with Yoruba have different meanings as with their Yoruba meaning and original meaning, this one too must have a different meaning.

Omonoba, a child that shines.. what piece of nonsense! Why must your king be referred to as a child?
It could also mean a child that is red na. Your concoctions are becoming obsolete and redundantly boring


A child that shines
A child that is red
it is shining

Fezz:


Sorry but it does not mean the same thing in Edo language. It is "Omo n'oba n'edo"... and not "omo oba ni edo". Besides Oba does not mean king in Edo. It means celestial light (devine).

The capital of Japan in the past was known as "Edo"... that does not mean the Benins are related to Japan. The same goes with how Oba has different meanings to both the Yoruba and Benin. It's okay for different tribes to share similar words but have different meanings.

The meaning given with Gregtoy disagrees with yours. He said it is a child that shines. Which one should I believe? A child that shines, a celestial light, it is shining or it is red?
And if Oba means "celestial light", what would iyooba mean? Mother of the celestial light?

Edo and Japan sharing the same words maybe a sheer coincidence as long as they have no historical connections..But in this case the connection is very pronounced. Only some egoistic, shallow minded, empty and delusional check-my-profile Nairaland historians will deny the connections between the two people.
If Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince was in Edo, if the son of a Yoruba Prince, Eweka (Owomika) was the first Oba in Edo, if Oranmiyan established a thriving kingship system in Edo, then the word oba and the other words you shared with Yoruba to make reference to the same thing, person, thing or god, are nothing but Yoruba.

As for the part of "there was never Oranmiyan, there was never, Eweka, and there was never Oduduwa" and other nonsense being propagated by some miscreants on Nairaland, I have made my choice; I choose to believe the oba and not some nonentities. Whatever evidence, proof, or reasons you have to contend and disprove such standings and established facts, forward it to the Oba and his historians. Call him a liar before you call me a liar, tell him he is ignorant of his father's origin and his people's history before you tag me ignorant, convince the oba and make him belief your erroneous nonsense before you convince me

babtoundey:



Who on this forum doesn't know you are a big idiot who thinks himself smart and intelligent?
Just as ogun, oya, yeepa, iyooba, Ada and other words your people share with Yoruba have different meanings as with their Yoruba meaning and original meaning, this one too must have a different meaning.

Omonoba, a child that shines.. what piece of nonsense! Why must your king be referred to as a child?
It could also mean a child that is red na. Your concoctions are becoming obsolete and redundantly boring


A child that shines
A child that is red
it is shining

Stop fighting it, the benin throne has no single yoruba bloodline stop being an history stealer for your people

Yes benins are at fault for messing up our own history , but not anymore, it was nice associating our history to the Yoruba throne for political unity and not untill you all wanted to choke us with yorubanization and tribal segregation to start stealing our past achieves then we saw, a need to retrace back our steps

We have won this fight smartly like we have always won over every yoruba subgroup we encountered before the creation of the zoo

gregyboy:


Stop fighting it, the benin throne has no single yoruba bloodline stop being an history stealer for your people

Yes benins are at fault for messing up our own history , but not anymore, it was nice associating our history to the Yoruba throne for political unity and not untill you all wanted to choke us with yorubanization and tribal segregation to start stealing our past achieves then we saw, a need to retrace back our steps

We have won this fight smartly like we have always won over every yoruba subgroup we encountered before the creation of the zoo

Who are the "we"? You and your co-wanna-be historians minus the sensible and highly revered historians of Edo/Benin extractions. I don't need to tell you again that you think highly of yourself.
Nobody is contending anything with you, it is you against the oba, your delusions against the reasons and logic of the Oba and his historians together with their forebears. If there is any issue to be straightened or ironed out, it is never with the Yoruba. Yorubas know who they are and what rightly belongs to them. Your dispositions; affirmation or disagreement is essentially insignificant.

Iron things out with your monarchs.
Just on this forum alone, all of you (of Edo extractions) contributing to the issue on ground share conflicting views of your history. So, the conflict is within you.

You have known the truth ad for the truth to set you free, you need to say it. Say the truth; match to the Oba palace, as a great historian that you are, an historian that has been able to spot the lies and jargons his forbears fed him with, match to the Oba palace, show him how his stool is established on fabricated histories, tell him his fathers are liars, tell him he needs to start projecting your stupid line of thoughts, tell him his fathers are not who he thinks they are, make him know his fathers sold themselves cheap to the Yorubas and allowed their great history to be tampered with, all because they wanted to curry favour from the Old Western Nigerian Government and lick a pot of soup in Awolowo's yard. Until you do these, you remain a first-class clown.

babtoundey:


The meaning given with Gregtoy disagrees with yours. He said it is a child that shines. Which one should I believe? A child that shines, a celestial light, it is shining or it is red?
And if Oba means "celestial light", what would iyooba mean? Mother of the celestial light?

Edo and Japan sharing the same words maybe a sheer coincidence as long as they have no historical connections..But in this case the connection is very pronounced. Only some egoistic, shallow minded, empty and delusional check-my-profile Nairaland historians will deny the connections between the two people.
If Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince was in Edo, if the son of a Yoruba Prince, Eweka (Owomika) was the first Oba in Edo, if Oranmiyan established a thriving kingship system in Edo, then the word oba and the other words you shared with Yoruba to make reference to the same thing, person, thing or god, are nothing but Yoruba.

As for the part of "there was never Oranmiyan, there was never, Eweka, and there was never Oduduwa" and other nonsense being propagated by some miscreants on Nairaland, I have made my choice; I choose to believe the oba and not some nonentities. Whatever evidence, proof, or reasons you have to contend and disprove such standings and established facts, forward it to the Oba and his historians. Call him a liar before you call me a liar, tell him he is ignorant of his father's origin and his people's history before you tag me ignorant, convince the oba and make him belief your erroneous nonsense before you convince me

You don't expect me to start explaining word for word to you. I said "Oba" means shinning or celestial light (devine).. but the full title is Omo n'Oba edo which means "child that shines for edo"

Like I said earlier you shouldn't expect me to explain every little detail to you. Try and use your initiative to figure out little details. I summed it up that "shinning light" can be classified as "devine".. for example when you see a celestial being "angel" the first thing you notiice is the shinning light surrounding the angel, that makes the angel "devine".. in othere words "iyooba" in Benin language means "mother of the devine".

In Benin Kingdom they don't describe the Oba as just a "king". The translation of King in Benin is Ogie, but the Oba has never been called Ogie before and that is because the Benins classify the Oba as a king that is above all other kings (ogie). Let's use the Ogiso terminology as an example. The Benins always use appellation to name their kings. That's how the title Ogiso came about. Ogie+ iso= Ogiso, which means "king of the sky". The same goes for the oba of Benin whose full title is "Omo n'oba n'edo. So stop using the Yoruba terms to define the Benin kingship. Their method of naming their kings is completely different from that of the Benins. They practice different cultures.

Oranmiyan was not in Benin when Eweka was crowned king, so what makes you think Oranmiyan introduced obaship to the Benins?. Or did you ever hear that the Benins crowned Oranmiyan and named him oba?. Oranmiyan did not create the obaship title in Benin, it was the Benin chiefs that created it just the same way they created the Ogiso title after the era of the Odionweres. Oranmiyan was recognised as a king before he left Benin but he wasn't given the obaship title.

babtoundey:


And if Oba means "celestial light", what would iyooba mean? Mother of the celestial light?

This is very dumb, typical of a yoruba..
I guess Iya Babatunde will mean, Mother of father has come?

babtoundey:


Who are the "we"? You and your co-wanna-be historians minus the sensible and highly revered historians of Edo/Benin extractions. I don't need to tell you again that you think highly of yourself.
Nobody is contending anything with you, it is you against the oba, your delusions against the reasons and logic of the Oba and his historians together with their forebears. If there is any issue to be straightened or ironed out, it is never with the Yoruba. Yorubas know who they are and what rightly belongs to them. Your dispositions; affirmation or disagreement is essentially insignificant.

Iron things out with your monarchs.
Just on this forum alone, all of you (of Edo extractions) contributing to the issue on ground share conflicting views of your history. So, the conflict is within you.

You have known the truth ad for the truth to set you free, you need to say it. Say the truth; match to the Oba palace, as a great historian that you are, an historian that has been able to spot the lies and jargons his forbears fed him with, match to the Oba palace, show him how his stool is established on fabricated histories, tell him his fathers are liars, tell him he needs to start projecting your stupid line of thoughts, tell him his fathers are not who he thinks they are, make him know his fathers sold themselves cheap to the Yorubas and allowed their great history to be tampered with, all because they wanted to curry favour from the Old Western Nigerian Government and lick a pot of soup in Awolowo's yard. Until you do these, you remain a first-class clown.

Stop venting no one has been able to prove me, wrong despite my many attacks i get from both my benin colleagues and the coward yoruba peeps

Attacks are normal it is not new Jesus was attacked too likewise Galileo Galileo for saying the truth...


Your oooni has many questions to answer likewise the alafin, from me

babtoundey:
The meaning given with Gregtoy disagrees with yours. He said it is a child that shines. Which one should I believe? A child that shines, a celestial light, it is shining or it is red?
And if Oba means "celestial light", what would iyooba mean? Mother of the celestial light?

Edo and Japan sharing the same words maybe a sheer coincidence as long as they have no historical connections..But in this case the connection is very pronounced. Only some egoistic, shallow minded, empty and delusional check-my-profile Nairaland historians will deny the connections between the two people.
If Oranmiyan a Yoruba prince was in Edo, if the son of a Yoruba Prince, Eweka (Owomika) was the first Oba in Edo, if Oranmiyan established a thriving kingship system in Edo, then the word oba and the other words you shared with Yoruba to make reference to the same thing, person, thing or god, are nothing but Yoruba.

As for the part of "there was never Oranmiyan, there was never, Eweka, and there was never Oduduwa" and other nonsense being propagated by some miscreants on Nairaland, I have made my choice; I choose to believe the oba and not some nonentities. Whatever evidence, proof, or reasons you have to contend and disprove such standings and established facts, forward it to the Oba and his historians. Call him a liar before you call me a liar, tell him he is ignorant of his father's origin and his people's history before you tag me ignorant, convince the oba and make him belief your erroneous nonsense before you convince me

Oh really!? This is the latest from the stables of my Bini slaves?? Wonderful!

I would have thought that “Oba” means: “Holy Aruosa Light” — instead of “Celestial Light”.

What a load of rrRRrrUbish?! [careless laughter]

gregyboy:



Stop venting no one has been able to prove me, wrong despite my many attacks i get from both my benin colleagues and the coward yoruba peeps

Attacks are normal it is not new Jesus was attacked too likewise Galileo Galileo for saying the truth...


Your oooni has many questions to answer likewise the alafin, from me

So you're now the new Jesus Christ in town, the Galeo Galile reincarnate. Fantastic!
start from questioning your own Oba before you move to Ooni and Alaafin. Charity, they say, begins at home. Here in yorubaland, we don't frolic with dumbass. We have loads of intelligent and authentic historians

I await the day you will propagate your madnesses before your Oba. Trust me, the will transfer you to the asylum in Oba's custody.

davidnazee:


This is very dumb, typical of a yoruba..
I guess Iya Babatunde will mean, Mother of father has come?

Not as dumb as your Fabrications.
Literally, that is what it means
Give us your own meaning of Oba in Edo since you all concluded and agreed Oba doesn't mean king.

These are the options, which do you agree with?
oba means red
oba means celestial shining
oba means it is red
oba means it is shining
Oba means king
The list goes on and on. Come and add yours.

TAO11:

Oh really!? This is the latest from the stables of Bini slaves?? Wonderful!

I would have thought that “Oba” means: “Holy Aruosa Light” — instead of “Celestial Light”.

What a load of rrRRrrUbish?! [careless laughter]

Tomorrow one of them will tell us Oba means Sango's lightening. They are careless liars. Their lies never ceased to give them out

babtoundey:


So you're now the new Jesus Christ in town, the Galeo Galile reincarnate. Fantastic!
start from questioning your own Oba before you move to Ooni and Alaafin. Charity, they say, begins at home. Here in yorubaland, we don't frolic with dumbass. We have loads of intelligent and authentic historians

I await the day you will propagate your madnesses before your Oba. Trust me, the will transfer you to the asylum in Oba's custody.

I wont let you discuss the false myth that sweetens you when you discuss it in peace, i have hijacked both yoruba and edo threads on hold and they are at my mercy i know both my edo and yorubas brothers cant wait till i quit nairaland.... I will soon....do that and abadon culture thread forever

I will let you guys discuss you myth in peace

Nigerias likes living in false reality thats why we are messed up as a country....

TAO11:

Oh really!? This is the latest from the stables of Bini slaves?? Wonderful!

I would have thought that “Oba” means: “Holy Aruosa Light” — instead of “Celestial Light”.

What a load of rrRRrrUbish?! [careless laughter]

You have nothing worthy of note to say these days, seems the Benins have clipped your wings, where are all your citations on how Oduduwa metamorphosed from myth to an historical personage.

It must hurt being reduced to be reading from the sidelines with nothing to counter the Benins with. This most be disheartening to your Yoruba and Igbo supporters. No more soft targets to bamboozled with lies, fabrications, misrepresented citations, illogicality and funny photos. looks like your lying days are coming to an end, you're going to missed though.

samuk:
[s]You have nothing worthy of note to say these days, seems the Benins have clipped your wings, where are all your citations on how Oduduwa metamorphosed from myth to an historical personage.

It must hurt being reduced to be reading from the sidelines with nothing to counter the Benins with. This most be disheartening to your Yoruba and Igbo supporters. No more soft targets to bamboozled with lies, fabrications, misrepresented citations, illogicality and funny photos. looks like your lying days are coming to an end, you're going to missed though.[/s]

Dear @samuk the laughing stock:

Your bitterness & agony are palpably perceptible. Hold on to the Lord. Suicide is never an option. This too shall pass.

Oh by the way, you mean that I uSeD tO hAvE sOmE tHiNgs “worthy of note to say”?? I never expererit

Anyways, please name me one Nigerian ethnic group on Nairaland whom I am yet to expose your daddies’ & mommies’ frauds to.

Tag/Mention them here so I can spread the beautiful message to them as well.

samuk:


You have nothing worthy of note to say these days, seems the Benins have clipped your wings, where are all your citations on how Oduduwa metamorphosed from myth to an historical personage.

It must hurt being reduced to be reading from the sidelines with nothing to counter the Benins with. This most be disheartening to your Yoruba and Igbo supporters. No more soft targets to bamboozled with lies, fabrications, misrepresented citations, illogicality and funny photos. looks like your lying days are coming to an end, you're going to missed though.

Stop projecting your pain and failure on another person! What you typed above depicts you more succinctly.

babtoundey:
Tomorrow one of them will tell us Oba means Sango's lightening. They are careless liars. Their lies never ceased to give them out

LMAO at the bolded.

You think they can say that??

Actually one can’t underrate their lying skills.

gomojam:
Stop projecting your pain and failure on another person! What you typed above depicts you more succinctly.

I tire oo. #EpicPsychologicalProjection.

I have known from a long time ago that most Bini are actually lunatics waiting to roam — literally.

gomojam:
Stop projecting your pain and failure on another person! What you typed above depicts you more succinctly.

You dey mind the loser

TAO11:
LMAO at the bolded.

You think they can say that??

Actually one can’t underrate their lying skills.

TAO11:
I tire oo. #EpicPsychologicalProjection.

I have known from a long time ago that most Bini are actually lunatics waiting to roam — literally.

He is only deluding himself.

nisai:
You dey mind the loser

Lol nisai

Fezz:


You don't expect me to start explaining word for word to you. I said "Oba" means shinning or celestial light (devine).. but the full title is Omo n'Oba edo which means "child that shines for edo"

Like I said earlier you shouldn't expect me to explain every little detail to you. Try and use your initiative to figure out little details. I summed it up that "shinning light" can be classified as "devine".. for example when you see a celestial being "angel" the first thing you notiice is the shinning light surrounding the angel, that makes the angel "devine".. in othere words "iyooba" in Benin language means "mother of the devine".

In Benin Kingdom they don't describe the Oba as just a "king". The translation of King in Benin is Ogie, but the Oba has never been called Ogie before and that is because the Benins classify the Oba as a king that is above all other kings (ogie). Let's use the Ogiso terminology as an example. The Benins always use appellation to name their kings. That's how the title Ogiso came about. Ogie+ iso= Ogiso, which means "king of the sky". The same goes for the oba of Benin whose full title is "Omo n'oba n'edo. So stop using the Yoruba terms to define the Benin kingship. Their method of naming their kings is completely different from that of the Benins. They practice different cultures.

Oranmiyan was not in Benin when Eweka was crowned king, so what makes you think Oranmiyan introduced obaship to the Benins?. Or did you ever hear that the Benins crowned Oranmiyan and named him oba?. Oranmiyan did not create the obaship title in Benin, it was the Benin chiefs that created it just the same way they created the Ogiso title after the era of the Odionweres. Oranmiyan was recognised as a king before he left Benin but he wasn't given the obaship title.

What nonsense are you writing for heaven sake! You must For you to have known that an angel shines at his first appearance you must have seen one.

Prior to the arrival of Oranmiyan in your midst, your forbears knew nothing like Obaship.
Oranmiyan was recognized as a king but he wasn't given obaship .. Another piece of nonsense. what then was he given? What was he called? Why did your people abandon your Ogiso system for a system alien to them. We need to hear more lies. Tell us how you abandoned the system in place for a new system just at the arrival of an Alie man.

With all these your clestial shining tales, I'm sure you are an apprentice of Lai Muhammad.

samuk:


You have nothing worthy of note to say these days, seems the Benins have clipped your wings, where are all your citations on how Oduduwa metamorphosed from myth to an historical personage.

It must hurt being reduced to be reading from the sidelines with nothing to counter the Benins with. This most be disheartening to your Yoruba and Igbo supporters. No more soft targets to bamboozled with lies, fabrications, misrepresented citations, illogicality and funny photos. looks like your lying days are coming to an end, you're going to missed though.

Omo ale I wanna belong

samuk:
[s]I can satisfactorily say at this junction that the job to expose you as fraud is complete.

Benin eyewitness written historical accounts started in the 1400s, whilst the Alaafin of Oyo received his first European visitor in 1826. 1826 was the year the Europeans first step foot into the hinterland of Yoruba and started documenting your history after documenting Benin history for 400 years.

You should consider yourself privilege that any Benin person would even come down from their 400 years high horse to start having chat with you because there is nothing really to debate between Benin and Yoruba.

You have now been told by the Oba of Benin that your almighty mythical Oduduwa was a Benin prince. Let see how a baby will argue history with his/her 400 years old ancestor.

To some mischievous and gullible Igbo around here, be guided. There are numerous communities across Igbo land that traces their roots to Benin, hence the reason we don't get too hard on you guys.

Benin remains the ancestors of southern and part of middle belt Nigeria. Benin history was written since 1400, Yoruba earliest date was 1826.

Benin don't discuss made up fairytales that started in late 1800s but written history dating back to the 1400s.

End of discussion, you can now go and look for your historical mates to play with.[/s]

Refuting your lies may times is as needless as your re-telling of your already refuted lies is useless.

babtoundey:


What nonsense are you writing for heaven sake! You must have seen an angel before for you to have notices an angel shines at his first appearance.

Prior to the arrival of Oranmiyan in your midst, your forbears knew nothing like Obaship.
Oranmiyan was recognized as a king but he wasn't given obaship .. Another piece of nonsense. what then was he given? What was he called? Why did your people abandon your Ogiso system for a system alien to them. We need to hear more lies. Tell us how you abandoned the system in place for a new system just at the arrival of an Alie man.

If you have no idea what an angel looks like, that's your own business. Read your Koran or bible to get a vivid idea if what I'm talking about. I don't like talking to people with low IQ.

Have you ever read any historical document depicting oranmiyan as "OBA oranmiyan" ?.. Dude, think straight. When you are ready to have a proper argument, let me know.

This ones’ brain actually came as fairly used, but I will still be nice enough to offer you free education sha! Hehe

Fezz:
[s]Let's see the proof of the earliest account of Europeans visiting your yoruba land in 1400's.. even though the word yoruba didn't exist back then. Please don't post your fabricated maps as proof because your maps have been debunked in the past. We need well documented proof of past events written by Europeans about Your ancestors in 1400's and not fabricated maps.[/s]

(1a) Rui de Sequeira visited the Aworis’ settlement in 1472 and he documented the received name of their island (and its immediate lagoon outlet to the Atlantic) as the Lake of EkoAromi (translated) — that is, “Lago de Curamo”

(1b) Duarte Pacheco Pereira followed suit in 1508 to the same settlement; and to IjebuOde as well, writing about the great city, its ruler, its moat, etc.

(1c) In fact, according to Benin written accounts, the first EuroPean visitor to Benin (in the 1480s), Joao Afonso d’Aviero, was first in Yorubaland (Itsekiri) before messengers came from the Benin king, begging that he should please visit Benin too.

[s]You haven't still told me Oduduwas title when he was ruling ile-ife.[/s]

(2) Oduduwa ruled Ife under the following titles among several others:

(a) ‘Oghone’ (which is later spelt/articulated as ‘Owoni’, and now spelt/articulated as ‘Ooni’).

The Binis of old articulate this title of the kings of Ife as ‘Oghene’. ~ See your Oba Erediauwa’s “The Benin-Ife Connection” for an example.

[By the way Erediauwa was a terrible liar, but he was conscious enough of the need to admit this particular fact].

(b) ‘Olofin’ (of which ‘Alaafin’ of the Oyos, and ‘Alaofin’ of the Kogi-Yorubas are dialectal variations).

(c) ‘Adimula’ — amongst many other titles.

That’s the education you’ve been requesting. I didn’t oblige because it is irrelevant to the actual classes I was taking you on at the moment.

[s]You haven't shown me any bronze head of any oba that shows him having a yoruba tribal mark.I'm waiting. Cheers![/s]

(3) (a) The Benin custom of Yoruba tribal marks was received by M. Crowder as pertaining to coronation.

You must therefore first present the Benin bronzes which depict a time of an oba’s coronation.

(b) Moreover, the Benin custom of Yoruba tribal mark was received by M. Crowder as a non-permanent one drawn by chalk.

You must therefore first argue for the linguistic and metaphysical equivalence of chalk and razor.

Fezz:


If you have no idea what an angel looks like, that's your own business. Read your Koran or bible to get a vivid idea if what I'm talking about. I don't like talking to people with low IQ.

Have you ever read any historical document depicting oranmiyan as "OBA oranmiyan" ?.. Dude, think straight. When you are ready to have a proper argument, let me know.

E gba mi o, this meatball is equating the angel of the Abrahamic religion to the angel of the Benin/African cosmology. Which of the Benin/Edo traditional religions affirms the existence of angels in Bible and Qur'an.

You're daft and you refused to admit it. Celestial angel ko, Catholic angel ni.
Giving an accurate meaning to the word oba has always been a big deal for all you.
There were times you all said oba means king. When you were dragged, you said it's equivalent to "it is shining". You later made a U-turn to say it means "it's red". Now, it is celestial shinning/angel. What meaning will you give to it tomorrow? You all are bunch of jokers.

Oba connotes king and it is purely a Yoruba word. This is how the word is derived
o ba - "O"is a second person pronoun while "ba" is a verb which connotes perches, dominates, oversees, or rules. so the word oba means he who perches over/dominate/rules/has authority over something.

Ask another Yoruba person he will give the same meaning.

With time, your lots will come around to tell us "ogun", "sango", "olokun", "ogboni" in Edo language have different meanings with the ones in Yoruba language.

celestial shining.. What can be more ludicrous!