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Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 11:18pm On May 21, 2021
haddeylium:
Brother Maximus and DappaD.
Please share me this App abegg sad
You're oppressing us too much on this web wink
Too much in sharing irrelevant verses? grin
Lol!
You guys are slow.to really get the gist. Lol. No wonder dem don lock your brains.

When a man cannot differentiate good compliments from bad. Do you want me to analyze Dapo and Max's references? Out of tens of his posts yesterday, I saw one where Max got it right and I told him so. I am not the kind who tells lies cos I want to shut the other person up. If he is right, I will always say it. But all his references are always rubbish..I dont check them again cos I know they dont help or explain better.

And you are happy you memorize the greetings and words you say when doing door to door? It's like a record being played. Same thing, same way same words, same same same. Mehn!

May God open your eyes of understsmding. The Holy Spirit can teach you....dont you know? He tells you what to say, and not you doing La Cram La Pour.

Think deep. I am sure these points I am bringing out here are helping your members to see light. How can you.say you rely.on the Holy Spirit and still memorise what you say? Say thing you.have been saying for the past years. Until the church changes what you.say the next time. Then, you.repeat the same thing all over again and again. Mehn! Your spirit is dead and not alive. Very weak christian.

And the more I chat with you, the more I see loopholes in your dens.

You memorise your hopeless messages of no hope in this present world, and then hopelessly promise a new earth. Mehn! Shaking my head. You trust a strange god who doesnt have hope for you now, but in the next earth. You are a mu.sky. .
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:37am On May 22, 2021
The funny Churchgoer! cheesy

PeaceJoyLove:
Too much in sharing irrelevant verses? grin
Lol!
You guys are slow.to really get the gist. Lol. No wonder dem don lock your brains.

When a man cannot differentiate good compliments from bad. Do you want me to analyze Dapo and Max's references? Out of tens of his posts yesterday, I saw one where Max got it right and I told him so. I am not the kind who tells lies cos I want to shut the other person up. If he is right, I will always say it. But all his references are always rubbish..I dont check them again cos I know they dont help or explain better.

And you are happy you memorize the greetings and words you say when doing door to door? It's like a record being played. Same thing, same way same words, same same same. Mehn!

May God open your eyes of understsmding. The Holy Spirit can teach you....dont you know? He tells you what to say, and not you doing La Cram La Pour.

Think deep. I am sure these points I am bringing out here are helping your members to see light. How can you.say you rely.on the Holy Spirit and still memorise what you say? Say thing you.have been saying for the past years. Until the church changes what you.say the next time. Then, you.repeat the same thing all over again and again. Mehn! Your spirit is dead and not alive. Very weak christian.

And the more I chat with you, the more I see loopholes in your dens.

You memorise your hopeless messages of no hope in this present world, and then hopelessly promise a new earth. Mehn! Shaking my head. You trust a strange god who doesnt have hope for you now, but in the next earth. You are a mu.sky. .
Psalms 37:7-11, 29
Proverbs 2:20-22
Isaiah 35:4-7; 65:21-23
Zephaniah 2:2-3
Matthew 5:5

Come so that we lay hands on you and you will receive the Holy Spirit to remember all the promises of God that's called "Good News". This arrogance and stubbornness will only lead you to your destruction! smiley
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 5:49am On May 22, 2021
It happens by chance.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:10am On May 22, 2021
Great!
So some will welcome it (by chance) while others may not (also by chance) but tolerance is the best order on this, after all nobody should be accused for accepting good things that comes his way (by chance) smiley

HellVictorinho:
It happens by chance.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 6:18am On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Great!
So some will welcome it (by chance) while others may not (also by chance) but tolerance is the best order on this! smiley
It doesn't have to be welcomed.


It attempts to enter without asking for permission.


If it doesn't enter,then it means there's no space in your head for it.
If it does, it means there's space.


The existence of space only happens by chance.
The existence of space happens when there's nothing in your head that resists it.


In other words, you don't plan to resist anything or accept anything mentally.

It just happens accidentally.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:15am On May 22, 2021
Perhaps you agree with some who are saying life (everything we see now) all came (by chance), if so why do you welcome life! Why not exit since it also came (by chance) huh
Well i don't resist GOOD THINGS!
So even if it should come by chance i'll welcome it with all pleasure! smiley
HellVictorinho:
It doesn't have to be welcomed.
It attempts to enter without asking for permission.If it doesn't enter,then it means there's no space in your head for it. If it does, it means there's space.The existence of space only happens by chance. The existence of space happens when there's nothing in your head that resists it. In other words, you don't plan to resist anything or accept anything mentally. It just happens accidentally.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 7:25am On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The funny Churchgoer! cheesy



Psalms 37:7-11, 29
Proverbs 2:20-22
Isaiah 35:4-7; 65:21-23
Zephaniah 2:2-3
Matthew 5:5

Come so that we lay hands on you and you will receive the Holy Spirit to remember all the promises of God that's called "Good News". This arrogance and stubbornness will only lead you to your destruction! smiley
The m.ad man dancing in the street doesnt know he is having issues. The main issues you focus on are these:

1. You have a message of hopelessness in this present world.
2. You are promised hope by the one who has hopelessness for you now.
3. You have faith to receive hopelessness after you died.

Mehn!
4. You denied yourself of everything in this earth cos you dont belong here. What a wasted life? angry
5. You set up yourself like a stubborn goat to everything, and like the wall of Jericho to everything.
6. You are an Island on your own, hoping to inherit a new earth promised by someone who doesnt have hope for you now.
7. Your god is not of this world so you dont participate in politics, but hoping on a new earth.
8. You receive salary from the Ceaser of this world who bosses you. And you take his money to your dens after feeding your family with the money. The remaining you donate. So the evil money becomes clean when you put it in church. And many more.

Demon Witnesses aka Jehovah Witness cleans by money

Comparisons.

1. Jehovah witnesses aka demon witnesses... earn bad money.
Drug barons earn bad money.

2. Demon Witnessess use bad money to feed their family.
Drug barons use bad money feed their family.

3. Demon witnesses clean bad money when they donate and distribute to their dens. And it comes back to their members or for charity..
Drug barons clean money through distribution in banks and it comes back to them, their gang members, or for charity.

4. Jehovah Witnesses publish all their good works boasting of all they do to make them look good and legit.
Drug barons loud all their charity works to make them legit and look good.

5. Demon Withnesses ģive Ceasar what belongs to him yet serve him ignorantly.
Drug Barons give Ceasr what belongs to him too.


Drug Barons are fake. Jehovah Witnesses (Aka Demon Witnesses) are fake.

This message is not for Max. It is for you - Jehovah Witness member reading. Max is already confused. He doesnt have his head to use..you should read well. You are Iike the drug baron without future.

Max, is cur.sed and his eyes are covered. He will never see the above. He must reply me. If I do not stop, he must reply. Listen, the Holy Spirit directed me to engage him.not for him to be saved now, but for him to keep vomiting loopholes in your terrible bondage. All the above I discovered from interating with him.and others in my thread. I will keep pointing all out.

If you want to know he is empty, Go through the bible references they post online..I am a detailed person. You just see that 99.9% of all their quotes are not in line.with the post. Just pick verses using apps. They do not know it. It is why they are always wrong..

Ask yourself: Can you preach on any topic? Of course not. Your dens gives you topics to preach on. They rehearse it with you everytime. You memorize it, move out, and when you are asked questions, you start looking and nodding head like agama lizard. Is it normal?

Reflect on everything. Reflect on these points above. Do you want to take the risk of relying on an incompetent god who doesnt have any hope for you now? But the incompetent god promises you a new earth after your death. Lol. What a joke? You be m.um.u.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:48am On May 22, 2021
Thank you for not making any reference to our book (Bible) since you're not GIFTED to MEMORIZE the word of God neither do you have the App to help you!

Thank you! Thank you!! Thank you!!!
For avoiding God's word in your hopeful ideas!
God bless you and may you have PEACE! smiley

PeaceJoyLove:
The m.ad man dancing in the street doesnt know he is having issues. The main issues you focus on are these:

1. You have a message of hopelessness in this present world.
2. You are promised hope by the one who has hopelessness for you now.
3. You have faith to receive hopelessness after you died.

Mehn!
4. You denied yourself of everything in this earth cos you dont belong here. What a wasted life? angry
5. You set up yourself like a stubborn goat to everything, and like the wall of Jericho to everything.
6. You are an Island on your own, hoping to inherit a new earth promised by someone who doesnt have hope for you now.
7. Your god is not of this world so you dont participate in politics, but hoping on a new earth.
8. You receive salary from the Ceaser of this world who bosses you. And you take his money to your dens after feeding your family with the money. The remaining you donate. So the evil money becomes clean when you put it in church. And many more.

Demon Witnesses aka Jehovah Witness cleans by money

Comparisons.

1. Jehovah witnesses aka demon witnesses... earn bad money.
Drug barons earn bad money.

2. Demon Witnessess use bad money to feed their family.
Drug barons use bad money feed their family.

3. Demon witnesses clean bad money when they donate and distribute to their dens. And it comes back to their members or for charity..
Drug barons clean money through distribution in banks and it comes back to them, their gang members, or for charity.

4. Jehovah Witnesses publish all their good works boasting of all they do to make them look good and legit.
Drug barons loud all their charity works to make them legit and look good.

5. Demon Withnesses ģive Ceasar what belongs to him yet serve him ignorantly.
Drug Barons give Ceasr what belongs to him too.


Drug Barons are fake. Jehovah Witnesses (Aka Demon Witnesses) are fake.

This message is not for Max. It is for you - Jehovah Witness member reading. Max is already confused. He doesnt have his head to use..you should read well. You are Iike the drug baron without future.

Max, is cur.sed and his eyes are covered. He will never see the above. He must reply me. If I do not stop, he must reply. Listen, the Holy Spirit directed me to engage him.not for him to be saved now, but for him to keep vomiting loopholes in your terrible bondage. All the above I discovered from interating with him.and others in my thread. I will keep pointing all out.

If you want to know he is empty, Go through the bible references they post online..I am a detailed person. You just see that 99.9% of all their quotes are not in line.with the post. Just pick verses using apps. They do not know it. It is why they are always wrong..

Ask yourself: Can you preach on any topic? Of course not. Your dens gives you topics to preach on. They rehearse it with you everytime. You memorize it, move out, and when you are asked questions, you start looking and nodding head like agama lizard. Is it normal?

Reflect on everything. Reflect on these points above. Do you want to take the risk of relying on an incompetent god who doesnt have any hope for you now? But the incompetent god promises you a new earth after your death. Lol. What a joke? You be m.um.u.

Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody:
MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you agree with some who are saying life (everything we see now) all came (by chance), if so why do you welcome life! Why not exit since it also came (by chance) huh
Well i don't resist GOOD THINGS!
So even if it should come by chance i'll welcome it with all pleasure! smiley
You are not in control of that which accepts or resists things in your head.
There are movements in your head that determine what is acceptable or not such as theories,beliefs,ideas,strategies,etc.
These movements determine whether or not you have a stand concerning issues and how or what your stand is if you have any.
You are not in control of these movements.
Nobody is in control of these movements.
But you determine how the acceptance or rejection is expressed.
You determine how your stand is expressed or how your lack of a stand is expressed.
The movements in your head that resist/fail to be affected by your exposure to this or that just happen.
The movements in your head that accept or get affected by your exposure to this or that just happen.
Your behavior at a specific place and specific time is an expression of your stand or your expression of a lack of a stand towards issues such as what you see or what you can't see,what you hear or what you can't hear and what you feel or what you can't feel.


Life is not something that anyone welcomes since nobody chooses to be born.
But depression can lead to suicide which leads to death.
Well, I don't think anyone that commits suicide ever had the ambition of getting depressed.
Nobody plans to become depressed.
Life is neither a combination of good things nor a combination of bad things.
Life involves the co-existence of several things for no reason.
There are many health problems without solutions among people.
But there are also micro-organisms that benefit from the existence of these problems.
Initially,I wasn't even talking about food, clothes and shelter which you call GOOD things.
I was talking about beliefs,theories,ideas, strategies,thoughts,etc.




But even the food,clothing and shelter remain terribly insufficient towards many people and this induces suffering towards a lower life-expectancy.



Ultimately, there's no God that can do anything about these things.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 9:52am On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Thank you for not making any reference to our book (Bible) since you're not GIFTED to MEMORIZE the word of God neither do you have the App to help you!

Thank you! Thank you!! Thank you!!!
For avoiding God's word in your hopeful ideas!
God bless you and may you have PEACE! smiley
In addition, you memorize sermons and the verses you will uses for door to door. You say the say words every Sunday. But when asked questions you fail.

Real Christians memorise and use appropriately. But you only download what you are told to say. And you do not know how to apply it, cos if you do, you won't be going from one thread to the other here.


And then, you use app to bring out irrelevant verses. What dont you understand here? Are you d.aft to not try to use tour brain to understand what I am.sauing here? Agreed, your brain is under your feet and as you walk, you get it scraped off from the effect of friction. But I think an aspect to still use to reason just a bit like a toddler should be there.

All the points I highlighted, you cannot deny but the veil is powerful.

I suggest you listen to more of Pastor Adeboye's teachings and learn how to be led by the Holy Spirit, amd how to allow the Holy Spirit speak through one. And follow my posts how I quite references and explain. I dont just quote, I explain. I dont do copy and paste.. I dont preach via phamplets. I don't do watch tower. My source is the Holy Spirit. Trinity.

May sense fall on you.

Let take a test:

Max,

1. Why do you work to earn salary under the Ceasar of this world? Back your answer with references of you wish.

2. Did Jesus approve or command you to work for and earn from Ceasar
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:05am On May 22, 2021
So to cut the long story short, each person has the freewill to accept or reject certain things that comes their way (by chance) right?

Well then, many like me chose to welcome FAITH even though you think it comes (by chance)
And i don't think it's either a crime to reject or welcome FAITH (by chance) smiley


HellVictorinho:
You are not in control of that which accepts or resists things in your head.
There are movements in your head that determine what is acceptable or not such as theories,beliefs,ideas,strategies,etc.
These movements determine whether or not you have a stand concerning issues and how or what your stand is if you have any.
You are not in control of these movements.
Nobody is in control of these movements.
But you determine how the acceptance or rejection is expressed.
You determine how your stand is expressed or how your lack of a stand is expressed.
The movements in your head that resist/fail to be affected by your exposure to this or that just happen.
The movements in your head that accept or get affected by your exposure to this or that just happen.
Your behavior at a specific place and specific time is an expression of your stand or your expression of a lack of a stand towards issues such as what you see or what you can't see,what you hear or what you can't hear and what you feel or what you can't feel.
Life is not something that anyone welcomes since nobody chooses to be born.
But depression can lead to suicide which leads to death.
Well, I don't think anyone that commits suicide ever had the ambition of getting depressed.
Nobody plans to become depressed.
Life is neither a combination of good things nor a combination of bad things.
Life involves the co-existence of several things for no reason.
There are many health problems without solutions among people.
But there are also micro-organisms that benefit from the existence of these problems.
Initially,I wasn't even talking about food, clothes and shelter which you call GOOD things.
I was talking about beliefs,theories,ideas, strategies,thoughts,etc.
But even the food,clothing and shelter remain terribly insufficient towards many people and this induces suffering towards a lower life-expectancy.
Ultimately, there's no God that can do anything about these things.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:12am On May 22, 2021
Before we proceed i'll like to ask you just two questions:

In what way do i or any JWs on this forum wronged you in person?
Is it a crime to express one's FAITH?

Please let me know why you're agitating against us! smiley

PeaceJoyLove:
In addition, you memorize sermons and the verses you will uses for door to door. You say the say words every Sunday. But when asked questions you fail. Real Christians memorise and use appropriately. But you only download what you are told to say. And you do not know how to apply it, cos if you do, you won't be going from one thread to the other here. And then, you use app to bring out irrelevant verses. What dont you understand here? Are you d.aft to not try to use tour brain to understand what I am.sauing here? Agreed, your brain is under your feet and as you walk, you get it scraped off from the effect of friction. But I think an aspect to still use to reason just a bit like a toddler should be there.
All the points I highlighted, you cannot deny but the veil is powerful. I suggest you listen to more of Pastor Adeboye's teachings and learn how to be led by the Holy Spirit, amd how to allow the Holy Spirit speak through one. And follow my posts how I quite references and explain. I dont just quote, I explain. I dont do copy and paste.. I dont preach via phamplets. I don't do watch tower. My source is the Holy Spirit. Trinity. May sense fall on you. Let take a test:
Max,
1. Why do you work to earn salary under the Ceasar of this world? Back your answer with references of you wish.
2. Did Jesus approve or command you to work for and earn from Ceasar
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 11:10am On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
So to cut the long story short, each person has the freewill to accept or reject certain things that comes their way (by chance) right?

Well then, many like me chose to welcome FAITH even though you think it comes (by chance)
And i don't think it's either a crime to reject or welcome FAITH (by chance) smiley
The movements in your head accepted or got affected by XYZ.
You are not in control of such
movements(no freewill here).
You only determine how you express your faith or how you show that it exists as something to be accepted or rejected by another person.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:12am On May 22, 2021
So is there any crime committed? smiley

HellVictorinho:
The movements in your head accepted or got affected by XYZ.
You are not in control of such
movements(no freewill here).
You only determine how you express your faith or how you show that it exists as something to be accepted or rejected by another person.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 11:42am On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Before we proceed i'll like to ask you just two questions:

In what way do i or any JWs on this forum wronged you in person?
Is it a crime to express one's FAITH?

Please let me know why you're agitating against us! smiley
It is not a crime to express one's FAItH, but you dont make yours superior by words. Let the result of your faith distinguish you. The results of Pastor Adeboye's faith puts him in a very high level, but the man is very humble. Very humble. But you must bring him down to raise yours. Has Adeboye every tackled your church? Has he? Answer me. Ma.d boy.

You must quote rubbish to defend and prove your faith is the only one and others lead to nowhere. Why dont you leave God to do that? Why must you run down others? If you are not a denomination, why dont you tell CAC that and stop hiding under Ceasar? The result of your faith has shown absolutely nothing. The result is hopelessness. The result is sad faces of your members. We all can see it. The result is self denial. The result is deception. The result is taking money from someone you call Ceasar. Jesus did not ask you to take money or work for him. He said....give Ceasar. Rather,. You take from him to give him again. This is then result of your faith. Am I wrong? You have nothing go say about this. You always avoid this. You know it is the truth..think about it..I am just telling you what I learned from you. It is from our Interaction I got these things. I didnt know before..


I will answer your question. I do not hate you or anyone. I called you even brother, but you said I am not. You then started insulting me cos we disagreed. I realised that it is the de.mon working in you and not you. And I must show you also the stuff I am made up of. Just a post, and 6 of you rush to the thread to Nichole the thread. This is how you all behave...life ma.d people terrorizing everyone here. Quoting rubbish and making nuisa.nce of everything here..

Brother (I hope you will not start yelling again like the SDA lady), I even went against people insulting your denomination some months back, not knowing you deserve the insults.

Listen to me, there is something wrong with you if you cannot check yourself and you just believe what they are feeding you. Listen bro. Only a group of people cannot be right. I know because it is a principle which is always true.

Brother, please...think deep. Leave all these issues btw us. Just think deep. I am not saying you just leave your church now, but think deep. All the points I put above, think. I am sure they are beginning to hit you.

Listen, I dont just write. I am always directed and led. I am merciless with words. This is what you dont know, and I am sure you can see. How many of you came to my thread and attacked me just because I said no denominaion with God? You can disagree with me, but do not insult me. If in your Jehovah withness or Demon withness, they ask you to use the words you used for me then, think. You cannot meet me face to face and you dont go down. You will. I am telling you. I will bring video here where you beg. But no need to brag. I just must argue it out so new witnesses here can start thinking. There is a purpose God allowed me to continue arguing with you. And I can see it.

Listen to me, before you.receive this ma.d.ness I have been interacting with your kind. And there was one time in St. Peterburgs I met one Nigerian boy going out with the natives and preaching. I was shocked. And then I had to find out about the boy. I respected him. But I told him he needs to respect the law of the country. The boy was adamant. I left him. Later, I heard he was jailed. That was how he lost his scholarship. It was 3 years later he was released and he was cursing your church. grin Just pushing people anyhow. You are as powerless as the boy Intslked about. Just 30 days in kirikiri will reformat your brain too. But when you have the HOLY spirit and yiu habe power, stay in the darkness du.ngeon, nothing will shake you.

You better wake up to the truth. The questions are before you. You claim this world is bad and you quoted that you registered your church in Nigeria to give Ceasar his tax. So, who forced you to work for the world? You earned money from the person you called an unbeliever. The person you see as a pig feeds your family. And then you donate to your kingdom. You then start talking about the donations and that you are Holy. But have you thought about it that if the pig you see as a failure dont pay you, you cannot donate? The money you donate becomes significant, but the money you took from him is not talked about. Yet, the source is Ceasar. You are ma.d. Your kingdom elders are nauseating and ma.d altogether.

You keep insulting Pastor Adeboye. But this man shows the fruits and the gifts of the spirit. When did Baba Adeboye ever claim he can raise anyone? He keeps telling everyone that no one can command God. You heard him say it again in the video. You dont boast about the miracles God performed through you cos you arent the source. The man said he accepted God has a better plan for us. I realised your parents might cry very soon cos you dont know the gravity of what you did. A 78 years old man lost his son and because you dont share his faith, you came out to start saying He should go and raise the boy. You started cursing a 78 years old man. You are finished. Before I said Dapo is wiser, I know what I saw. Did you.not read where Dapo wrote about the case and that was why he instructed you to keep off the topic? That boy Dapo has a sense of man in him. But you are an animal. You are my brother cos you are human, but you are an animal and we are different. How insentivive you are. Look at this animal saying I hate demon witnesses. When you are the real animal.

Cho cho cho cho! Everywhere you are there to defend your faith like a nuisa.nce. You allow some battles slide. You dont respond to everything as a wise person. Not you. You must talk.

And you must have the last say. You are a f.ool. Even Jesus did not respond to everything. You must talk and have the last word. But I'm serious. You have carried a big curse on your head. You better go start praying. I.diota.aaa

I do not have your time. The questions are tough and you have no answers. Go and meditate on them. They will open your eyes more. I am sure you will still respond to this post cos you are curs.ed to always have the last word.

Have a nice day. This is my last post to you on Nairaland.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 11:42am On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
So is there any crime committed? smiley
Well, I find it offensive when my mom mentions God while suffering.
But I am also unhappy that she's suffering.
Ultimately, I am just tired of certain things.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:17pm On May 22, 2021
How would you feel if everyone around just like saying hurtful things due to their frustration? smiley

HellVictorinho:
Well, I find it offensive when my mom mentions God while suffering.
But I am also unhappy that she's suffering.
Ultimately, I am just tired of certain things.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:36pm On May 22, 2021
First of all i never mentioned anyone to you, rather it was you who kept raising someone who was never a part of our discussion so i simply told you "that man is NOT a worshiper of my own God" that's all! smiley

Moreover you're not related to that man in any way, you're not one of his workers, not his family not even his church member, so what are we saying?
I asked you:

"in what way do i or any other JW on this forum wronged you in person?"

Maturity is not by age, i think you should be a little bit civilized to handle discussions maturely. You don't just go about cursing people simply because they said they're not worshiping the same God with someone you revere. undecided

Do you know why religious terrorists kill people?
Well they hate you for not revering the man they took for a prophet. Do you think that's a good reason to justify their acts?
Saying "I don't believe Adeboye is a man of God" and you took it personal is the same as a terrorist planning to bumb you and your church members for not believing in their prophet! undecided


PeaceJoyLove:
It is not a crime to express one's FAItH, but you dont make yours superior by words. Let the result of your faith distinguish you. The results of Pastor Adeboye's faith puts him in a very high level, but the man is very humble. Very humble. But you must bring him down to raise yours. Has Adeboye every tackled your church? Has he? Answer me. Ma.d boy.

You must quote rubbish to defend and prove your faith is the only one and others lead to nowhere. Why dont you leave God to do that? Why must you run down others? If you are not a denomination, why dont you tell CAC that and stop hiding under Ceasar? The result of your faith has shown absolutely nothing. The result is hopelessness. The result is sad faces of your members. We all can see it. The result is self denial. The result is deception. The result is taking money from someone you call Ceasar. Jesus did not ask you to take money or work for him. He said....give Ceasar. Rather,. You take from him to give him again. This is then result of your faith. Am I wrong? You have nothing go say about this. You always avoid this. You know it is the truth..think about it..I am just telling you what I learned from you. It is from our Interaction I got these things. I didnt know before..


I will answer your question. I do not hate you or anyone. I called you even brother, but you said I am not. You then started insulting me cos we disagreed. I realised that it is the de.mon working in you and not you. And I must show you also the stuff I am made up of. Just a post, and 6 of you rush to the thread to Nichole the thread. This is how you all behave...life ma.d people terrorizing everyone here. Quoting rubbish and making nuisa.nce of everything here..

Brother (I hope you will not start yelling again like the SDA lady), I even went against people insulting your denomination some months back, not knowing you deserve the insults.

Listen to me, there is something wrong with you if you cannot check yourself and you just believe what they are feeding you. Listen bro. Only a group of people cannot be right. I know because it is a principle which is always true.

Brother, please...think deep. Leave all these issues btw us. Just think deep. I am not saying you just leave your church now, but think deep. All the points I put above, think. I am sure they are beginning to hit you.

Listen, I dont just write. I am always directed and led. I am merciless with words. This is what you dont know, and I am sure you can see. How many of you came to my thread and attacked me just because I said no denominaion with God? You can disagree with me, but do not insult me. If in your Jehovah withness or Demon withness, they ask you to use the words you used for me then, think. You cannot meet me face to face and you dont go down. You will. I am telling you. I will bring video here where you beg. But no need to brag. I just must argue it out so new witnesses here can start thinking. There is a purpose God allowed me to continue arguing with you. And I can see it.

Listen to me, before you.receive this ma.d.ness I have been interacting with your kind. And there was one time in St. Peterburgs I met one Nigerian boy going out with the natives and preaching. I was shocked. And then I had to find out about the boy. I respected him. But I told him he needs to respect the law of the country. The boy was adamant. I left him. Later, I heard he was jailed. That was how he lost his scholarship. It was 3 years later he was released and he was cursing your church. grin Just pushing people anyhow. You are as powerless as the boy Intslked about. Just 30 days in kirikiri will reformat your brain too. But when you have the HOLY spirit and yiu habe power, stay in the darkness du.ngeon, nothing will shake you.

You better wake up to the truth. The questions are before you. You claim this world is bad and you quoted that you registered your church in Nigeria to give Ceasar his tax. So, who forced you to work for the world? You earned money from the person you called an unbeliever. The person you see as a pig feeds your family. And then you donate to your kingdom. You then start talking about the donations and that you are Holy. But have you thought about it that if the pig you see as a failure dont pay you, you cannot donate? The money you donate becomes significant, but the money you took from him is not talked about. Yet, the source is Ceasar. You are ma.d. Your kingdom elders are nauseating and ma.d altogether.

You keep insulting Pastor Adeboye. But this man shows the fruits and the gifts of the spirit. When did Baba Adeboye ever claim he can raise anyone? He keeps telling everyone that no one can command God. You heard him say it again in the video. You dont boast about the miracles God performed through you cos you arent the source. The man said he accepted God has a better plan for us. I realised your parents might cry very soon cos you dont know the gravity of what you did. A 78 years old man lost his son and because you dont share his faith, you came out to start saying He should go and raise the boy. You started cursing a 78 years old man. You are finished. Before I said Dapo is wiser, I know what I saw. Did you.not read where Dapo wrote about the case and that was why he instructed you to keep off the topic? That boy Dapo has a sense of man in him. But you are an animal. You are my brother cos you are human, but you are an animal and we are different. How insentivive you are. Look at this animal saying I hate demon witnesses. When you are the real animal.

Cho cho cho cho! Everywhere you are there to defend your faith like a nuisa.nce. You allow some battles slide. You dont respond to everything as a wise person. Not you. You must talk.

And you must have the last say. You are a f.ool. Even Jesus did not respond to everything. You must talk and have the last word. But I'm serious. You have carried a big curse on your head. You better go start praying. I.diota.aaa

I do not have your time. The questions are tough and you have no answers. Go and meditate on them. They will open your eyes more. I am sure you will still respond to this post cos you are curs.ed to always have the last word.

Have a nice day. This is my last post to you on Nairaland.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by sonmvayina(m): 2:40pm On May 22, 2021
Faith is just a fancy word for ignorance....seek knowledge..
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by DappaD: 6:59pm On May 22, 2021
haddeylium:
Brother Maximus and DappaD.
Please share me this App abegg sad
You're oppressing us too much on this web wink
Really my brother, of what use is knowing a 1,001 Scriptures if it doesn’t affect the person’s thoughts and actions? Joshua 1:8, Psalm 40:8
PeaceJoyLove thought that the Witnesses are doing it for fun or spite or arguments but really they are allowing God’s Word to be their lamp(guide) to the path of righteousness. Psalm 119:105
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by DappaD: 7:11pm On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
First of all i never mentioned anyone to you, rather it was you who kept raising someone who was never a part of our discussion so i simply told you "that man is NOT a worshiper of my own God" that's all! smiley
Moreover you're not related to that man in any way, you're not one of his workers, not his family not even his church member, so what are we saying?
I asked you:
"in what way do i or any other JW on this forum wronged you in person?"
Maturity is not by age, i think you should be a little bit civilized to handle discussions maturely. You don't just go about cursing people simply because they said they're not worshiping the same God with someone you revere. undecided
Do you know why religious terrorists kill people?
Well they hate you for not revering the man they took for a prophet. Do you think that's a good reason to justify their acts?
Saying "I don't believe Adeboye is a man of God" and you took it personal is the same as a terrorist planning to bumb you and your church members for not believing in their prophet! undecided
I believe Jehovah’s Witnesses can disagree with others and still coexist peacefully with them because we are supposed to be “peaceable with ALL men” and “honour ALL sorts of men” irregardless of race, religion, social, economic background. Romans 12:18, 1Peter 2:17
So who really is the extremist/fanatic here when they want to coerce Witnesses into accepting their own opinions/standards by all means even if it means calling us degrading names? Have they sat down to think about this?
My brother, remember that we are living for Jehovah and not for any man(Romans 14:8, Ephesians 6:7) so if those in the world should hate us for our stand, we are not surprised(John 15:18-20, 1John 3:13) but we are sure that we have Jehovah’s approval. Proverbs 27:11
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:13pm On May 22, 2021
The guy just love to be acknowledged as a worshiper of our God and for telling him how that is far from the truth makes him really really sad!
He thought bringing in the name of their daddy Go will call for respect and perhaps change things but he was totally enraged when i told him his daddy GO has no connection with our God.
Ever since then he's been saying hurtful things, abuses, insults and curses just to show how uncomfortable he is with the whole issue.
But does that makes us shy away from the truth?
NO! NO!! NO!!!
You can only be a worshiper of our God and our brother in faith if you're one of us but if not then you are one of our neighbours that each JW should love as he/she love himself! smiley

DappaD:
Really my brother, of what use is knowing a 1,001 Scriptures if it doesn’t affect the person’s thoughts and actions? Joshua 1:8, Psalm 40:8
PeaceJoyLove thought that the Witnesses are doing it for fun or spite or arguments but really they are allowing God’s Word to be their lamp(guide) to the path of righteousness. Psalm 119:105
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:23pm On May 22, 2021
DappaD! DappaD!! DappaD!!!
My hand no dey there o!
The man emphatically said what pains him most is how JWs attach scriptures to what we say at least a minimum of 5 scriptural references.
And now you've made another comment with seven scriptures cited! undecided
You want make high blood pressure kill this man?
He asked you to tell him the Application you're using you refused to tell him now that he's bowing out of the thread you decided to make a comment only to add not five scriptures as usual but this time seven! undecided
You are surely looking for his trouble.
Funny Churchgoer! cheesy

DappaD:
I believe Jehovah’s Witnesses can disagree with others and still coexist peacefully with them because we are supposed to be “peaceable with ALL men” and “honour ALL sorts of men” irregardless of race, religion, social, economic background. Romans 12:18, 1Peter 2:17
So who really is the extremist/fanatic here when they want to coerce Witnesses into accepting their own opinions/standards by all means even if it means calling us degrading names? Have they sat down to think about this?
My brother, remember that we are living for Jehovah and not for any man(Romans 14:8, Ephesians 6:7) so if those in the world should hate us for our stand, we are not surprised(John 15:18-20, 1John 3:13) but we are sure that we have Jehovah’s approval. Proverbs 27:11
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by DappaD: 7:45pm On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
DappaD! DappaD!! DappaD!!!
My hand no dey there o!
The man emphatically said what pains him most is how JWs attach scriptures to what we say at least a minimum of 5 scriptural references.
And now you've made another comment with seven scriptures cited! undecided
You want make high blood pressure kill this man?
He asked you to tell him the Application you're using you refused to tell him now that he's bowing out of the thread you decided to make a comment only to add not five scriptures as usual but this time seven! undecided
You are surely looking for his trouble.
Funny Churchgoer! cheesy
Reminds me of what our CO told us last week during his visit: “Trouble is everywhere, if you look for it you’ll find it.”
So surely, we are to mind our business(1Thessalonians 4:11, 1Peter 4:15) because wahala dey like bicycle, e no dey hard to start.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by DappaD: 7:58pm On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The guy just love to be acknowledged as a worshiper of our God and for telling him how that is far from the truth makes him really really sad!
He thought bringing in the name of their daddy Go will call for respect and perhaps change things but he was totally enraged when i told him his daddy GO has no connection with our God.
Ever since then he's been saying hurtful things, abuses, insults and curses just to show how uncomfortable he is with the whole issue.
But does that makes us shy away from the truth?
NO! NO!! NO!!!
You can only be a worshiper of our God and our brother in faith if you're one of us but if not then you are one of our neighbours that each JW should love as he/she love himself! smiley
My brother, it’s really funny when you imagine it. This man in question keeps on calling us “Demon-Witnesses” but in some way, he still seeks approval from us?
Reminds me of this scenario with Jesus and the Pharisees. The latter once called Jesus an agent of Satan(Matthew 12:24) and even openly said concerning Jesus: “This man is NOT from God”. John 9:16
But they wanted this man whom they called an agent of Beelzebub/Satan to agree with their doctrines? Matthew 15:2

I wonder if he/she has ever sat down one day and compared his daddy as to whether he mirrors either Jesus or the Pharisees? Does his daddy like public attention and being called high-sounding titles such as “Reverend”, “Daddy” etc like the Pharisees(Matthew 23:6,7) or does he behave like Jesus who was humble enough to go to such a length as doing a slave’s job? John 13:13-15
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by DavidAO(op): 8:53pm On May 22, 2021
sonmvayina:
Faith is just a fancy word for ignorance....seek knowledge..
Have you sought knowledge? What’s knowledge? How can knowledge be gained? Is knowledge the same as logic? Is knowledge gained through education in s school?

Also, can I introduce you to the science of God and life on davidaobooks.com check it to see if you may be the one who needs knowledge.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 11:28pm On May 22, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
How would you feel if everyone around just like saying hurtful things due to their frustration? smiley
Hurtful/offensive things can come from the mouth of anyone.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 12:50am On May 23, 2021
DappaD:
My brother, it’s really funny when you imagine it. This man in question keeps on calling us “Demon-Witnesses” but in some way, he still seeks approval from us?
Reminds me of this scenario with Jesus and the Pharisees. The latter once called Jesus an agent of Satan(Matthew 12:24) and even openly said concerning Jesus: “This man is NOT from God”. John 9:16
But they wanted this man whom they called an agent of Beelzebub/Satan to agree with their doctrines? Matthew 15:2

I wonder if he/she has ever sat down one day and compared his daddy as to whether he mirrors either Jesus or the Pharisees? Does his daddy like public attention and being called high-sounding titles such as “Reverend”, “Daddy” etc like the Pharisees(Matthew 23:6,7) or does he behave like Jesus who was humble enough to go to such a length as doing a slave’s job? John 13:13-15
Nothing can be said to be wrong about Jesus. But I have thrown questions to you. The questions for Max is for you. I will never reply Max again cos I have been asked to quit responding to his posts. Dapo, you guys are not of this world. Yet you make money from Ceasar. And then donate to church. And you keep telling us you dont belong to this world. And many questions I asked you.

Dapo, you keep giving people hopelessness. Yet, hoping for a future. Faith is OK. But guy, I will only hope on someone is has proved himself to me today. How can I t3ust someone who cannot even show he is capable today. I trust God cos I interact with him. I know Him not just by quoting. It's real. Is it real to you? Of course not. When you already said there is no miracle again. Come on! What if there are still now. Dapo, Jesus is alive. There is no need to just take the words you were told. Why dont you try Him. The holy spirit can show you the concept of Trinity only if you are opened to it. If He shows you, will you still go against it? Trinity may be a hard one for you...but start with rhe issue of Ceasar.

On a serious note....reflect on the questions. I dont expect you to just change now. I am sincere with you. There is nothing wrong to think about the questions.

Listen bro...I didnt just only bash you, I have asked you deep questions. You.cant answer me. You will only defend yourself wirh other issues. But those questions...you dont want to face them. But they are questions you need to face.

Yeah! I am dancing I won the debate. And so heck what? What is my reward for winning the debate?

Yeah yeah yeah. You won many debates. Max and others supported you. And so what? Did it make the other person change a bit?

This is my point. You dont attack people cos they attack you. And at times, you dont defend yourself. Even you know tha truth, you allow God work it out. I too may be wrong in some areas.

But bro...I'm serious. Look at my questions very well. I am not saying you change your church. But reflect on them.

Bless you!
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:41am On May 23, 2021
HellVictorinho:
Hurtful/offensive things can come from the mouth of anyone.
Well i beleive people saying hurtful things to others are partially insane because everyone has one problem or another and each person is just coping! smiley
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:00am On May 23, 2021
TRINITY is demonic teachings that's why all adherents of TRINITY can never form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as Jesus and his father wanted.
Of course you may be sincere in your heart but being sincere with a demonic doctrines can't help you. Nicodemus, the rich young ruler and Gamaliel were good people who were sincere but does that validate their religious beliefs? NO!
No JW will respond to your question because you already called us Demon Witnesses so your sudden pleading for truce makes no sense. Until you're able to explain what JWs did to hurt you PERSONALLY on this forum you have nothing to say against God's people!

"No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD" Isaiah 54:17 KJV


PeaceJoyLove:
Nothing can be said to be wrong about Jesus. But I have thrown questions to you. The questions for Max is for you. I will never reply Max again cos I have been asked to quit responding to his posts. Dapo, you guys are not of this world. Yet you make money from Ceasar. And then donate to church. And you keep telling us you dont belong to this world. And many questions I asked you.

Dapo, you keep giving people hopelessness. Yet, hoping for a future. Faith is OK. But guy, I will only hope on someone is has proved himself to me today. How can I t3ust someone who cannot even show he is capable today. I trust God cos I interact with him. I know Him not just by quoting. It's real. Is it real to you? Of course not. When you already said there is no miracle again. Come on! What if there are still now. Dapo, Jesus is alive. There is no need to just take the words you were told. Why dont you try Him. The holy spirit can show you the concept of Trinity only if you are opened to it. If He shows you, will you still go against it? Trinity may be a hard one for you...but start with rhe issue of Ceasar.

On a serious note....reflect on the questions. I dont expect you to just change now. I am sincere with you. There is nothing wrong to think about the questions.

Listen bro...I didnt just only bash you, I have asked you deep questions. You.cant answer me. You will only defend yourself wirh other issues. But those questions...you dont want to face them. But they are questions you need to face.

Yeah! I am dancing I won the debate. And so heck what? What is my reward for winning the debate?

Yeah yeah yeah. You won many debates. Max and others supported you. And so what? Did it make the other person change a bit?

This is my point. You dont attack people cos they attack you. And at times, you dont defend yourself. Even you know tha truth, you allow God work it out. I too may be wrong in some areas.

But bro...I'm serious. Look at my questions very well. I am not saying you change your church. But reflect on them.

Bless you!
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by Nobody: 4:45am On May 23, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
TRINITY is demonic teachings that's why all adherents of TRINITY can never form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers just as Jesus and his father wanted.
Of course you may be sincere in your heart but being sincere with a demonic doctrines can't help you. Nicodemus, the rich young ruler and Gamaliel were good people who were sincere but does that validate their religious beliefs? NO!
No JW will respond to your question because you already called us Demon Witnesses so your sudden pleading for truce makes no sense. Until you're able to explain what JWs did to hurt you PERSONALLY on this forum you have nothing to say against God's people!

"No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD" Isaiah 54:17 KJV
A thoughtful human understands when to be silent, to not champion a cause he is inexperienced in, and to differentiate btw questions which demand response and the ones just to ponder on for inner reflection of oneself. A man who doesnt know questions to ponder on which dont need responses is d.aft.

Some conversations arent for the active participants, but the passive ones. Before you continue that demonic Witness faith, ask yourself the questions. Ponder on them. Then ask the devilish elders, and see what you will get out of them. I am telling you with assurance you will not get anything reasonable. You can see the boy trying his best to respond to further engage me. Lol.

The truth is right in front of them.

I assure you that you will realise they are demon witnesses. I just didn't call them that, the name was given to me to push out. Take your time and check the references they bombard threads and you will see that 99.9% of them arent relevant. Just be analytical. Check them.

I have said my last words to these people.

I have been cautioned to not talk about them or even interact with them (All of them) again.

But listen to me, they have hopelessness for you now. And they want you to trust the giver of this hopelessness for a hopeful after death life. If you fall for this, you be m.u.mu too. They cannot defend it. How can you trust someone with no hope now to be able to give you hope after you are death? Are you ok? How can you work for someone you call Ceasar? Are you normal? And your whole financial source flowchart is exactly like a drug baron. Why dont you check yourself. Tell me, are these 3 attributes not demonic? Think very well.

I am ending it here with these people. My words here will continue speaking for themselves. Use your head.
Re: How Can A Person Have Faith? by oaroloye(m): 6:41am On May 23, 2021
MISHIGAS!!

oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color]   2nd PETER 1:5-9.

5. And besides this,
giving all diligence,
add to your Faith Virtue,
and to Virtue Knowledge,
6. And to Knowledge Temperance,
and to Temperance Patience,
and to Patience Godliness,
7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness,
and to Brotherly Kindness Charity.
8. For if these things be in you,
and abound,
they make you
that ye shall neither be
barren nor unfruitful
in The Knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh
these things is blind,
and cannot see afar off,
and hath forgotten
that he was purged
from his old Sins.
FAITH IS THE FUNDAMENTAL SPIRITUAL POWER THAT RULES THE EARTH UNIVERSE.

VIRTUE: The Knowledge of Good and Evil, is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE FIRST HEAVEN.

KNOWLEDGE: The Organization of Perceptions, Conceptions, and Recalls is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE SECOND HEAVEN.

TEMPERANCE: The Ability to Forbear from Using Power, is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE THIRD HEAVEN.

PATIENCE: The Ability to Resist Change and Maintain Attainment and Condition, is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE FOURTH HEAVEN.

GODLINESS: The Ability to be Good for the sake of being Good, is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE FIFTH HEAVEN.

BROTHERLY KINDNESS: The Ability to Treat others as Family- even when they definitely don't deserve it: is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE SIXTH HEAVEN.

CHARITY: AGAPE- The Altruistic Love of God, is the Fundamental Spiritual Power that rules THE SEVENTH HEAVEN.

The Heavens are Universes in their own Right. Being dead does not make it any easier to enter them. The same Power that kills you usually prevents you from going to Heaven.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

It is a shameful thing to go to Heaven without your Physical Body.

[color=silver].[/color] PROVERBS 10:5.

5. He that gathereth in summer
(is) a wise son:
(but) he that sleepeth in harvest
(is) a son that causeth shame.

[color=silver].[/color] ACTS 7:59-60.

59. And they stoned Stephen,
calling upon (God),
and saying,

"Lord Jesus,
receive my spirit."

60. And he kneeled down,
and cried with a loud voice,

"Lord, lay not this Sin
to their charge."

And when he had said this,
he fell asleep.

I AM CERTAIN THAT THE SO-CALLED APOSTLES WERE ALL VERY HAPPY THAT STEPHEN DIED- THIS WAS ANOTHER BRETHREN THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BECOME THEIR SUPERIOR- DESPITE NOT BEING THERE TO FIGHT ALONGSIDE THEM AT THE BATTLE OF GETHSEMANE.

[color=silver].[/color] JUDITH 9:1-5.

Judith fell upon her face,
and put ashes upon her head,
and uncovered the sackcloth
wherewith she was clothed;
and about the time
that the Incense of that evening
was offered in Jerusalem
in the House of the Lord
Judith cried with a loud voice,
and said,

2. "O Lord God of my father Simeon,
to whom thou gavest a sword
to take vengeance of the strangers,
who loosened the girdle of a maid
to defile her,
and discovered the thigh
to her shame,
and polluted her virginity
to her reproach;
for Thou Saidst,

"IT SHALL NOT BE SO;"

and yet they did so:
3. "Wherefore Thou gavest
their rulers to be slain,
so that they dyed their bed
in blood,
being deceived,
and smotest the servants
with their lords,
and the lords upon their thrones;
4. And hast given their wives
for a prey,
and their daughters to be captives,
and all their spoils
to be divided
among Thy dear Children;
which were moved with Thy Zeal,
and abhorred the pollution
of their blood,
and called upon Thee for aid:
O God,
O my God,
hear me also a widow.
5. "For Thou hast wrought
not only those things,
but also the things
which fell out before,
and which ensued after;
Thou hast thought upon
the things which are now,
and which are to come."

THERE IS A PERCIPTIBLE AGENDA TO MISLEAD ALL OTHER CHRISTIANS TO THEIR DEATHS.


[color=silver].[/color] ACTS 8:1-3.

AND Saul was consenting
unto his death.
And at that time
there was a great persecution
against the Church
which was at Jerusalem;
and they were all scattered abroad
throughout the regions
of Judaea and Samaria,
except the Apostles.
2. And devout men
carried Stephen to his burial,
and made Great Lamentation over him.
3. As for Saul,
he made havock of the Church,
entering into every house,
and haling men and women
committed them to prison.

THE ELEVEN DISCIPLES MADE A SECRET DEAL WITH THE SANHEDRIN, BEHIND THE BACKS OF THE OTHER DISCIPLES TO BE ALLOWED TO LIVE- SO LONG AS THEY DID NOT PREACH LORD YESHUA'S GOSPEL, WHICH HE COMMANDED THEM TO PREACH.

Therefore MARSHAL SAUL was able to round up all the First Christians, who met Lord Yeshua after his Resurrection- who were treacherously told by THE ELEVEN to go back to their Synagogues and preach to the people who had cast them out.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 9:22.

22. These (words) spake his parents,
because they feared the Jews:
for the Jews had agreed already,
that if any man did confess
that he was Christ,
he should be
put out of the Synagogue.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 12:42-43.

42. Nevertheless among
the chief Rulers also
many believed on him;
but because of the Pharisees
they did not confess him,
lest they should be
put out of the Synagogue:
43. For they loved
the praise of men
more than The Praise of God.

THE DISCIPLES COULD ONLY HAVE GONE BACK TO THEIR SYNAGOGUES IF THE "APOSTLES" HAD ORDERED THEM TO DO SO.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 15:1-20.

THEN came to Jesus
scribes and Pharisees,
which were of Jerusalem,
saying,

2. "Why do thy Disciples
transgress the Tradition
of the Elders?
For they wash not
their hands when
they eat bread."

3. But he answered
and Said unto them,

"Why do ye also transgress
The Commandment of God
by your Tradition?
4. "For God Commanded,
Saying,

'HONOUR THY FATHER
AND MOTHER:
AND, HE THAT CURSETH
FATHER OR MOTHER
LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.'


5. "But ye say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER,


"IT IS A GIFT,
BY WHATSOEVER
THOU MIGHTEST BE
PROFITED BY ME;"


6. 'AND HONOUR NOT
HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER,
HE SHALL BE FREE.'


Thus have ye made
The Commandment of God
of none effect
by your Tradition.
7. "Ye Hypocrites,
well did Esaias
Prophesy of you,
saying,

8. 'THIS PEOPLE
DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME
WITH THEIR MOUTH,
AND HONOURETH ME
WITH THEIR LIPS;
BUT THEIR HEART
IS FAR FROM ME.
9. 'BUT IN VAIN
THEY DO WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES
THE COMMANDMENTS
OF MEN.' "


10. And he called the multitude,
and Said unto them,

"Hear, and understand:
11. "Not that which goeth
into the mouth defileth a man;
but that which cometh
out of the mouth,
this defileth a man."

12. Then came his Disciples,
and Said unto him,

"Knowest thou that
the Pharisees were offended,
after they heard this Saying?"

13. But he answered and Said,

"Every plant,
which my Heavenly Father
hath not Planted,
shall be rooted up.
14. "Let them alone:
they be blind leaders
of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch."

15. Then answered Peter
and said unto him,

"Declare unto us this Parable."

16. And Jesus Said,

"Are ye also yet
without understanding?
17. "Do not ye yet understand,
that whatsoever entereth in
at the mouth
goeth into the belly,
and is cast out
into the draught?
18. "But those things
which proceed
out of the mouth
come forth from the heart;
and they defile the man.
19. "For out of the heart
proceed Evil Thoughts,
Murders, Adulteries,
Fornications, Thefts,
False Witness, Blasphemies:
20. These are the things
which defile a man:
but to eat with
unwashen hands
defileth not a man."

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 5:16-20.

16. And therefore did the Jews
persecute Jesus,
and sought to slay him,
because he had
done these things
on The Sabbath Day.
17. But Jesus Answered them,

"My Father Worketh hitherto,
and I work."

18. Therefore the Jews
sought the more to kill him,
because he not only had
broken The Sabbath,
but said also that
God was his Father,
making himself equal with God.
19. Then Answered Jesus
and Said unto them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'THE SON CAN DO
NOTHING OF HIMSELF,
BUT WHAT HE SEETH
THE FATHER DO:
FOR WHAT THINGS
SOEVER HE DOETH,
THESE ALSO DOETH
THE SON LIKEWISE.'


20. "For The Father
loveth The Son,
and sheweth him all things
that Himself doeth:
and He will shew him
Greater Works than these,
that ye may marvel."

THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES HAD MADE UP A LAW, THAT SONS WERE EQUALS WITH THEIR PARENTS.

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 14:61-64.

61. But he held his peace,
and answered nothing.
Again the High Priest asked him,
and said unto him,

"Art thou the Christ,
The Son of the Blessed?"

62. And Jesus Said,

"I am:
and ye shall see
The Son of Man sitting on
The Right Hand of Power,
and coming in
The Clouds of Heaven."

63. Then The High Priest
rent his clothes,
and saith,

"What need we
any further witnesses?
64. "Ye have heard the Blasphemy:
what think ye?"

And they all condemned him
to be Guilty of Death.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 19:6-9.

6. When the Chief Priests
therefore and officers saw him,
they cried out,
saying,

"Crucify him, crucify him."

Pilate saith unto them,

"Take ye him,
and crucify him:
for I find no fault in him."

7. The Jews answered him,

"We have a Law,
and by our Law he ought to die,
because he made himself
The Son of God."

8. When Pilate therefore heard that saying,
he was the more afraid;
9. And went again into the Judgment Hall,
and saith unto Jesus,

"Whence art thou?"

But Jesus gave him no answer.

SAUL WAS THEREFORE ABLE TO TRICK THE FIRST CHRISTIANS INTO CONFESSING THAT LORD YESHUA WAS THE SON OF GOD, AND THEN ARRESTING THEM FOR "BLASPHEMY."

[color=silver].[/color] ACTS 26:8-11.

8. "Why should it be thought
a thing incredible with you,
that God should
raise the dead?
9. "I verily thought with myself,
that I ought to do many things
contrary to
The Name of Jesus of Nazareth.
10. "Which thing I also did
in Jerusalem:
and many of the saints
did I shut up in prison,
having received authority
from the Chief Priests;
and when they were
put to death,
I gave my voice
against them.
11. "And I punished them oft
in every synagogue,
and compelled them to blaspheme;
and being exceedingly mad
against them,
I persecuted them
even unto strange cities."

FOR WHOM HE WAS SURELY PAID 30 PIECES OF SILVER PER HEAD.

[color=silver].[/color] GALATIANS 1:13-14.

13. For ye have heard
of my conversation
in time past in the Jews' Religion,
how that beyond measure
I persecuted the Church of God,
and wasted it:
14. And profited in the Jews' Religion
above many my equals
in mine own nation,
being more exceedingly zealous
of the Traditions of my fathers.

HE DID NOT DO ANY OF THIS BECAUSE HE LOVED GOD, BUT BECAUSE HE LOVED THE MATERIAL GAINS HE GOT FROM TURNING IN CAPITAL SINNERS!

[color=silver].[/color] 2nd CORINTHIANS 7:2.

2. Receive us;
we have wronged no man,
we have corrupted no man,
we have defrauded no man.

HE WAS TOTALLY LYING!

[color=silver].[/color] EXODUS 20:17.

17. "Thou shalt not
Covet thy Neighbour's house,
thou shalt not
Covet thy neighbour's wife,
nor his manservant,
nor his maidservant,
nor his ox,
nor his ass,
nor any thing
that (is) thy Neighbour's."

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN Spake Jesus
to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes
and the Pharisees
sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever
they bid you observe,
that observe and do;
but do not ye
after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind
heavy burdens
and grievous to be borne,
and lay them
on men's shoulders;
but they themselves
will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works
they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders
of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats
in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings
in the markets,
and to be called of men,
'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master,
even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man
your father
upon the Earth:
for one is your Father,
Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye
called masters:
for one is your Master,
even Christ.
11. "But he that is
greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall
exalt himself
shall be abased;
and he that shall
humble himself
shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up
The Kingdom of Heaven
against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them
that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence
make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him
twofold more
The Child of Hell
than yourselves."

[color=silver].[/color] LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he Said also unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,
which had a steward;
and the same was accused unto him
that he had wasted his goods.
2. "And he called him,
and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT THAT
I HEAR THIS OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT
OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE
NO LONGER STEWARD.'


3. "Then the steward said
within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD
TAKETH AWAY FROM ME
THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG,
TO BEG I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED
WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM
PUT OUT OF THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME
INTO THEIR HOUSES.'


5. "So he called every one
of his lord's debtors unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU
UNTO MY LORD?'


6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'


7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH
OWEST THOU?'


And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'


8. "And the lord commended
the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of this World
are in their Generation
wiser than the Children of Light.
9. "And I Say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES FRIENDS
OF THE MAMMON
OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECIEVE YOU
INTO EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'


10. "He that is Faithful
in that which is Least
is Faithful also in Much:
and he that is Unjust
in the Least
is Unjust also in Much.
11. "If therefore ye have not been
Faithful in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust
The True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not
been Faithful
in that which is
another man's,
who shall give you
that which is your own?
13. "No Servant can
serve two Masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and Mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also,
who were Covetous,
heard all these things,
and they derided him.
15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they
which justify yourselves
before Men;
but God knoweth
your hearts:
for that which is
Highly Esteemed
amongst Men
is Abomination
in The Sight of God."

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SAUL, STANDING GUARD OVER THE CLOTHES OF THOSE WHO STONED STEPHEN, IS THAT HE WAS ENTITLED TO A SHARE OF THE LOOT.

[color=silver].[/color] 1st SAMUEL 30:21-25.

21. And David came
to the two hundred men,
which were so faint
that they could not follow David,
whom they had made also
to abide at the brook Besor:
and they went forth to meet David,
and to meet the people
that were with him:
and when David came
near to the people,
he saluted them.
22. Then answered
all the wicked men
and (men) of Belial,
of those that went with David,
and said,

"Because they went not with us,
we will not give them
(ought) of the spoil
that we have recovered,
save to every man his wife
and his children,
that they may lead (them) away,
and depart."

23. Then said David,

"Ye shall not do so,
my brethren,
with that which The LORD
hath given us,
Who hath preserved us,
and delivered the company
that came against us
into our hand.
24. "For who will hearken unto you
in this matter?

'BUT AS HIS PART IS
THAT GOETH DOWN TO THE BATTLE,
SO SHALL HIS PART BE
THAT TARRIETH BY THE STUFF:
THEY SHALL PART ALIKE.'


25. And it was so
from that day forward,
that he made it a statute
and an Ordinance for Israel
unto this day.

THERE WAS LOOT.

The first many widows would have heard of the Deaths of their husbands would be Pharisees coming up to their homes with their lynch mob, praying a nice, pious prayer, before confiscating all their husband's property they coveted.

Leaving them with little or nothing.

[color=silver].[/color] ROMANS 7:7-19.

7. What shall we say then?
Is the Law Sin?
God forbid.
Nay, I had not known Sin,
but by The Law:
for I had not known lust,
except The Law had said,

"THOU SHALT NOT COVET."

8. But Sin,
taking occasion
by the Commandment,
wrought in me
all manner of concupiscence.
For without The Law
Sin was dead.
9. For I was alive
without The Law once:
but when
The Commandment came,
Sin revived,
and I died.
10. And The Commandment,
which was ordained to life,
I found to be unto Death.
11. For Sin,
taking occasion
by the Commandment,
deceived me,
and by It slew me.
12. Wherefore The Law is holy,
and the Commandment holy,
and just,
and good.
13. Was then that
which is Good
made Death unto me?
God forbid.
But Sin,
that it might appear Sin,
working Death in me
by that which is Good;
that Sin by the Commandment
might become
exceeding Sinful.
14. For we know that
The Law is Spiritual:
but I am Carnal,
sold under Sin.
15. For that which I do
I allow not:
for what I would,
that do I not;
but what I hate,
that do I.
16. If then I do that
which I would not,
I consent unto The Law
that it is Good.
17. Now then it is no more
I that do it,
but Sin that dwelleth in me.
18. For I know that in me
[that is, in my Flesh,]
dwelleth no Good Thing:
for to Will is present with me;
but how to perform
that which is Good I find not.
19. For the Good
that I would I do not:
but the Evil
which I would not,
that I do.

YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND PAUL, IF YOU KEEP DISMISSING HIS CONFIRMATION OF LORD YESHUA'S CONDEMNATION OF ALL PHARISEES: THAT THEY WERE THE ABSOLUTE WORST!

He blamed THE LAW for TEACHING HIM SIN! That is surely BLASPHEMY!!!
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