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naptu2:
So why is it Yekini and Kanu? Why not Teslim Thunder Balogun, Bulldozer Amusa Shittu, the Wonder Boy Paul Hamilton or Mathematical Segun Odegbami?

Why is Pele the greatest Brazilian player and not Garrincha the Little Bird?

Why is Maradona Argentina's greatest ever player and not Mario Kempes? Do you know what Kempes did at the 1978 World Cup?

Good question. Those players are all great but they did not get us into the World Cup. That's the difference. I already gave you reasons for Kanu's possible inclusion

PAtoGCFR2034:
Good question. Those players are all great but they did not get us into the World Cup. That's the difference. I already gave you reasons for Kanu's possible inclusion

What about Kempes and Garrincha and how many of the other women on this list achieved these things below?

naptu2:
FC Robo (2013)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sN9IEkBUoU

Liverpool (2015)
www.nairaland.com/attachments/10267777_liverpool_jpegf5b906a3b2610358536c6cecf4874bea

Arsenal (2016)
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Dalian (2017-2018)
www.nairaland.com/attachments/10267779_dalian_jpegc77711bb7357b4c15edde3d87c3a0779

Barcelona (2019-2022)
www.nairaland.com/attachments/10267780_barcelona_jpegddc2f365957bf7d30075e8c3cf8125c6

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1) The golden ball for being the best player at the 2014 FIFA Under 20 World Cup.
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2) The golden boot for being the highest goal scorer at the 2014 FIFA Under 20 World Cup.
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3) The golden ball for being the best player at the 2014 African Women's Nations Cup. She also won the silver boot for being the second highest goal scorer at the tournament (second to Desire Oparanozie).
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4) The golden boot for being the highest goal scorer at the 2016 African Women's Nations Cup.
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Also

1) highest goal scorer in the Nigerian Women’s League (2013)

2) Winner of the Nigerian Women’s League (with River’s Angels) (2014).

3) Winner of the Nigerian Women’s Cup (2013 and 2014)

4) Winner of the English FA Women’s Cup (2016)

5) Winner of the Chinese Women’s Super League 2017 & 2018.

6) Highest goal scorer in the Chinese Women’s Super League (2017).

7) Winner of the Chinese Women’s Super-Cup (2017)

8 ) Winner of the Copa Catalunya (2019).

9) Winner of the Spanish Women’s Super-Cup (2020).

10) BBC (World) Women’s Player of the Year (2015)

11) African Women’s Player of the Year (2014, 2016, 2017 & 2019)

12) Winner of the African Women’s Nations Cup (2014, 2016 & 2018).

13) 2019 UEFA Women's Champions League silver medallist (she scored in the final).

14) Winner of the Spanish Women's League (2020)

15) Second highest goal scorer in the Spanish Women's League 2020 (20 goals)

16) Second African woman to score in 2 World Cups (2015 & 2019. Rita Nwadike was the first)

17) Winner of the Spanish Women's League 2021 (13 goals so far)

18) 2020 UEFA Women's Champions League winner (scored 4 goals)

PAtoGCFR2034:
Ok you know that Roger Milla took his country Cameroun to the world cup quarter finals, you know George Weah was the Fifa world footballer, Ballon d'or winner and African player of the century and yet you still think Eto is the greatest African player. I'm not sure exactly what greatness means to you kid.

Eto too came 3rd FIFA word player of the year. He led cameroun to confederation cup final against france.he also played in world cup.
He won 3 nations cup for Cameron
He is caf african nations cup highest scorer of alltime.
For club and country duties Samuel Eto fills is the greatest African player ever

More

Even more

PAtoGCFR2034:
Ok you know that Roger Milla took his country Cameroun to the world cup quarter finals, you know George Weah was the Fifa world footballer, Ballon d'or winner and African player of the century and yet you still think Eto is the greatest African player. I'm not sure exactly what greatness means to you kid.

greatness literally means great achievements

So tell me does goerge weah or roger milla have better achievements than samuel Eto in club and country

OkoNDOoBo:
ode, I know roger milla, abedi Pele, kalusha bywala, hossam hassan, fofana hadji e.t.c
But none has match eto personal achievements for club and country. Not even George weah. Geroge only have a great season during his time at ac milan that earn him balon d'or .after that he lost his form.
Eto played at the top level from beginning to the end of his career. He was once 3rd best behind fifa best player of the year behind ronaldinho and lampard
He was at mallorca best, barcelona 3rd best after messi and iniesta, he was inter best player in his first season, he won and scored in back to back champions league finals e.t.c lead cameroun to olympic Gold, confederation cup final, 3 caf nations cup trophies, 4 African best player of the year,highest goal scorer in Afcon e.t.c too many too touch.
As for asisat and nkwocha comparison it is even more irritating. Cos perpetual reigned when female football was not competitive and less have less numbers of countries participating in Africa.
Asisat have more career goals, personal achievements than perpetual .not even a debate

Eto is definitely a great player and the most successful African but he was not the best player amongst his peers. George became the best player on the planet. The number 1 out of 6 billion people or whatever. Do you get that 's GREATNESS.

Again I am not sure you understand the topic of Nigeria's greatest female player. We have to look at achievements for the country.

Perpetua has 99 caps and 80 goals for her country while Asisat has only 37 goals (29 for senior team). Less than half of Perpetua's.
Perpetua has played in 7 CAF tournaments and won 5 while Asisat has played and won 3 so far
Perpetua played for senior team for 16 years while Asisat has not been played half of that yet

And you think Asisat is greatest player ? How many caps does she even have for Nigeria ? She's just 26 and probably still has like 10 years of playing ahead of her. I am sure if you ask the lady herself , she'll tell you to wait another few years before including her in that conversation. She is on the path to greatness no doubt but not there yet. She would appreciate the vote but understands that she has not achieved it yet.

You may argue Perpetua played when female football was not competitive but that only proves how dominant she was. After all she also lived in that era. It's not like she came from the future to play. And she even still played as recently as 2014 and still scored.
If you wanna talk about difference in timelime don't forget that Asisat has access to better training and facilities right now. So you either factor in both the advantages and disadvantages. Otherwise leave that aspect of the argument out

PAtoGCFR2034:
Eto is definitely a great player and the most successful African but he was not the best player amongst his peers. George became the best player on the planet. The number 1 out of 6 billion people or whatever. Do you get that 's GREATNESS.

Again I am not sure you understand the topic of Nigeria's greatest female player. We have to look at achievements for the country.

Perpetua has 99 caps and 80 goals for her country while Asisat has only 37 goals (29 for senior team). Less than half of Perpetua's.
Perpetua has played in 7 CAF tournaments and won 5 while Asisat has played and won 3 so far
Perpetua played for senior team for 16 years while Asisat has not been played half of that yet

And you think Asisat is greatest player ? How many caps does she even have for Nigeria ? She's just 26 and probably still has like 10 years of playing ahead of her. I am sure if you ask the lady herself , she'll tell you to wait another few years before including her in that conversation. She is on the path to greatness no doubt but not there yet. She would appreciate the vote but understands that she has not achieved it yet.

You may argue Perpetua played when female football was not competitive but that only proves how dominant she was. After all she also lived in that era. It's not like she came from the future to play. And she even still played as recently as 2014 and still scored.
If you wanna talk about difference in timelime don't forget that Asisat has access to better training and facilities right now. So you either factor in both the advantages and disadvantages. Otherwise leave that aspect of the argument out

You see, I said it! You guys don't follow female football. It's only when something like this happens that you pop up with stats that don't represent what is happening.

Those stats that you posted do not reflect the greatness or otherwise of Asisat, but rather it reflects the terrible administration of the NFF and CAF.

Do you know that, on two occasions, the Super Falcons did not play a single match in more than a year?? Do you know that after winning the Nations Cup on December 3rd, 2016, the Falcons did not play again until their game against France on April 6th, 2018??


Do you know that after losing to Ivory Coast in October 2019, the Super Falcons did not play any match until February 2021?

Do you know that Asisat would have had 5 African Player of the Year title (more than anyone else) if CAF had not cancelled the award last year?

Do you know that CAF cancelled the Women's Nations Cup which should have held last year instead of postponing it??

And yet Asisat has been able to achieve all these things that no other African woman has achieved! (despite the very poor administration) How is that not greatness??

naptu2:
What about Kempes and Garrincha and how many of the other women on this list achieved these things below?

Brother are you a fan of all those clubs ? I am more interested in what she has done for us.
Asisat may be the more successful footballer but who has done more for Nigeria is the question ?
Asisat is still on the way up. Hopefully she does more than Perpetua eventually as that means success for us.
But as of today 2021, she has not even scored up to half the goals Perpetua scored for us. We are praying for her but she's not there yet. Thankfully she's still young.
I am pretty sure the CAF guys are surprised by those votes.

Anyway let's watch the last games of the EPL season starting around now

PAtoGCFR2034:
Brother are you a fan of all those clubs ? I am more interested in what she has done for us.
Asisat may be the more successful footballer but who has done more for Nigeria is the question ?
Asisat is still on the way up. Hopefully she does more than Perpetua eventually as that means success for us.
But as of today 2021, she has not even scored up to half the goals Perpetua scored for us. We are praying for her but she's not there yet. Thankfully she's still young.
I am pretty sure the CAF guys are surprised by those votes.

Anyway let's watch the last games of the EPL season starting around now

Go back and read what I wrote and you'll see what she has done for us. Which other Nigerian player has won both golden ball and golden booth at the World Cup while propelling Nigeria to silver medal? Do you want me to post the videos again? I posted them before.

She was the highest goals scorer at the 2016 Nations Cup, second highest goal scorer and best player at the 2014 Nations Cup. In fact, I'm going to post the videos and pictures again and tag you in all of them. Just give me a minute.

She's only the second ever African woman to score in 2 senior World Cups and you want to tell me that she hasn't done anything for Nigeria??

PAtoGCFR2034

naptu2:
2016 African Women's Cup of Nations.

Nigeria 6-0 Mali.

4 goals by Asisat Oshoala.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfy6eANg_CQ

PAtoGCFR2034


Highest goal scorer and best player at the 2014 FIFA Under 20 World Cup.

Which other female Nigerian player has achieved that??

PAtoGCFR2034

naptu2:
2014 FIFA Under 20 World Cup in Canada.


Courtney Dike scored the fastest goal of the competition, Asisat Oshoala scored 4 goals and Uchechi Sunday scored 1 goal.


Korea DPR 2-6 Nigeria.

naptu2:
Goals by Courtney Dike (1), Uchechi Sunday (1) and Asisat Oshoala (4) gave Nigeria a 2-6 victory over North Korea in the semi-final of the 2014 FIFA Under 20 Women's World Cup.

Check out Oshoala's last 2 goals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrK3P5NdJfg

PAtoGCFR2034


Highest goal scorer at the 2016 African Cup of Nations.

naptu2:
You see, I said it! You guys don't follow female football. It's only when something like this happens that you pop up with stats that don't represent what is happening.

Those stats that you posted do not reflect the greatness or otherwise of Asisat, but rather it reflects the terrible administration of the NFF and CAF.

Do you know that, on two occasions, the Super Falcons did not play a single match in more than a year?? Do you know that after winning the Nations Cup on December 3rd, 2016, the Falcons did not play again until their game against France on April 6th, 2018??


Do you know that after losing to Ivory Coast in October 2019, the Super Falcons did not play any match until February 2021?

Do you know that Asisat would have had 5 African Player of the Year title (more than anyone else) if CAF had not cancelled the award last year?

Do you know that CAF cancelled the Women's Nations Cup which should have held last year instead of postponing it??

And yet Asisat has been able to achieve all these things that no other African woman has achieved! (despite the very poor administration) How is that not greatness??

Man it is what it is
You don't make your analysis on what coulda , shoulda been. You base it on what actually is. It's not like CAF cancelled the awards or matches just to spite her.
C'mon man , don't present these straw arguments . Even if there were matches in those years , she still would not have caught up to what Perpetua did in 16 years. There's still time for her but don't jump the gun.

And yet Asisat has been able to achieve all these things that no other African woman has achieved! (despite the very poor administration)
Bro what did she do for Nigeria that nobody has achieved ? I just gave you the Nigerian stats. Are you referring to club achievements ? What does CAF and NFF poor administration have to do with her club games ?
Bruh!!!!!

PAtoGCFR2034


Second highest goal scorer at the 2014 African Cup of Nations (second to Desire Oparanozie) and best player at the tournament. Remember that she was playing on the flanks at this time while Oparanozie was centre forward.

naptu2:
Go back and read what I wrote and you'll see what she has done for us. Which other Nigerian player has won both golden ball and golden booth at the World Cup while propelling Nigeria to silver medal? Do you want me to post the videos again? I posted them before.

She was the highest goals scorer at the 2016 Nations Cup, second highest goal scorer and best player at the 2014 Nations Cup. In fact, I'm going to post the videos and pictures again and tag you in all of them. Just give me a minute.

She's only the second ever African woman to score in 2 senior World Cups and you want to tell me that she hasn't done anything for Nigeria??

I did not say she has not done anything for Nigeria. Check what I typed, I asked who has done more ?

PAtoGCFR2034

naptu2:
Nigeria 4-1 New Zealand (2 goals by Asisat Oshoala).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RCCHk98bYg

PAtoGCFR2034

naptu2:
Nigeria defeated Cameroon 2-0 in the final of the 2014 African Women’s Championship in Namibia.

Desire Oparanozie (freekick) and Asisat Oshoala score as the Super Falcons of Nigeria beat Cameroon to win the 2014 African Women's Cup of Nations in Namibia.

Watch out for Gaelle Enganamouit's amazing shot that hit the crossbar.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph8BHt_lnGc

PAtoGCFR2034


Asisat Oshoala is only the second African woman to score in 2 senior World Cups. The first was Rita Nwadike.


This is her goal at the 2015 World Cup.

naptu2:
2015 Women's World Cup in Canada.

Nigeria 3-3 Sweden (Ordega, Okobi and Oshoala)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefYtjq5drM

And this is her goal at the 2019 World Cup (it was nominated for goal of the tournament).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XQGawByKgE

PAtoGCFR2034


She's the only African to have won the award and it was presented on the strength of her performance at the 2014 Under 20 World Cup and the 2014 Nations Cup. No other African has won it.

naptu2:
The Super Falcons were at their camp ahead of the 2015 World Cup when the BBC arrived and surprised Asisat Oshoala with her 2015 BBC World Women's Footballer of the Year award.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3AHmJrhFzk

She's a 4 time African Footballer of the Year. It should have been 5 times, but the 2020 edition was cancelled.

PAtoGCFR2034

naptu2:
Watch Asisat Oshoala's second goal.

2 goals by Asisat Oshoala gave Nigeria victory, but watch the 2nd goal (over the head of the keeper).

Nigeria 2-1 South Africa (2014 African Women's Nations Cup in Namibia).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGnPRpxsGTo

She got into the national team as a defensive midfielder, she was so good that they converted her into a flanker and she was still so good that they made her our main striker.

PAtoGCFR2034:
He's correcting you but you're still posting rubbish. Messi is much more successful as footballer than Maradona and also better (in my opinion) but ask Argentines who their greatest player. Its not about what you did for your club. Are you a fan of all those clubs ? It's not about best player. It's about GREATEST player. Neymar is a better player than Ronaldo Lima. But Brazilians still rank Neymar below Pele, Ronaldo, Romario etc in terms of greatness.

And what you posted, bolded above, is incorrect.
Nkwocha was voted African Women's Footballer of the Year in 2004, 2005, 2010 and 2011 by Confederation of African Football (CAF).

Oshoala deserves the award more than any other player.

I think it was an omission that I didn't reckon that Nkwocha has won it four times as well.

At least that isn't more than how many times Oshoala has won it too. So, what is your point?

In some cases, the most successful players from certain countries may not be the most decorated in terms of honours and titles; and in other cases the most successful player is also the most decorated.

There is no rule to that.

I have visited South America, the views about Maradona and Messi are sharply divided. So, it is not a clearcut for anyone of them.

People have their preferences between Maradona and Messi. Even Okocha and Kanu. Not everyone will give it to Okocha.

So, it is Oshoala. Maybe, not for you. But that changes nothing.