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Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by FergieRaww(m): 7:19am On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
I don't shoot without researching
My club is one of the most loved in Nigeria, anyone can throw in their support from time to time... even Raum.deuter, Air.mark and Co. has supported R.madrid on certain occasions doesn't mean they're fan of the club

why not ask the guy in question, which club he supports, then you can know how to follow him up
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 7:33am On May 27, 2021
Virus99:
Don't mind those Cules bro.

Xavi and Iniesta were in the same club. They had world class individuals to help them win the Mundial. Torres in front, Sargio Ramos at the back and Cassilas at the goal. In the world cup final, Cassilas put up a beastly performance. 2x he saved one-on-one from Arjen Robben. And even saved a very dangerous shot from Sneijder.

But Modric who did he have ?
single handedly took his country to the Mundial final. Gave Madrid the midfield needed to win La decima.

And while Barca was doing very fine long after Xavi and Iniesta were discarded, Modric at 33 is still playing Elite football!

That is why Modric was able to win an individual award like the Balloon d'or.

If he had a very great team at Country side too, he would have won the World Cup, 3 times back to back.

Luka 10 is greatest midfielder ever seen.
Period fullstop. cool
Reading your post I just keep on shaking my head at various misinformations, You can vouch for Modric without saying nonsense. I hope you know Ramos played as a rb, pique and puyol were the starting center backs and Torres was a backup to David Villa the starting striker. Spain had it's golden generation then (even then more than half of the starting 11 played in Barcelona and I don't need to tell you who ran Barcelona's midfield then), Croatia too had its own golden generation in 2018 except you want to tell me rakitic, brozovic, perisic, subasic and mandzukic were average players Try to use facts not emotions

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 7:35am On May 27, 2021
Virus99:
Croatia lost the Mundial final. Yet he was given the best player of the tournament! The fvcking golden ball !

Something Xavi and Iniesta can only smell in a parralel universe grin
And I hope you also know that since 1998 the world cup golden ball has never been held by a player whose team won the world cup. If Messi won in 2014 a German player would have gotten the golden ball

Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 7:58am On May 27, 2021
FergieRaww:
My club is one of the most loved in Nigeria, anyone can throw in their support from time to time... even Raum.deuter, Air.mark and Co. has supported R.madrid on certain occasions doesn't mean they're fan of the club

why not ask the guy in question, which club he supports, then you can know how to follow him up
Bro I try my best not to dig posts , so no problem
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by FergieRaww(m): 8:02am On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
Bro I try my best not to dig posts , so no problem
No need to dig up anything but just check his last quote on page 19 of his post and see if that's a Madrid fan lol cheesy
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 8:52am On May 27, 2021
jpmoriarti:
And who needs a golden ball when you can hold the main thing - world cup trophy wink smiley cheesy
Has Messi held the main thing?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Moura7(m): 8:53am On May 27, 2021
Same Modtic that remained hidden till Xavi and Iniesta left europe. What's the diff btw Modric and Forlan or Diego Molito or even Sneijder ( his fellow one season wonder companions). Xavi and Iniesta that championed that glorious spanish era...like the national team didn't even need a striker. They won euro 2008 , WC 2010, Euro 2012 consecutively and woulda gone on to win the 2013 confed if not for life...
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 8:53am On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
Reading your post I just keep on shaking my head at various misinformations, You can vouch for Modric without saying nonsense. I hope you know Ramos played as a rb, pique and puyol were the starting center backs and Torres was a backup to David Villa the starting striker. Spain had it's golden generation then (even then more than half of the starting 11 played in Barcelona and I don't need to tell you who ran Barcelona's midfield then), Croatia too had its own golden generation in 2018 except you want to tell me rakitic, brozovic, perisic, subasic and mandzukic were average players Try to use facts not emotions
Which of these Croatia players at their peak would have started for Spain?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 9:01am On May 27, 2021
devvy44:
Which of these Croatia players at their peak would have started for Spain?
I don't know. Maybe you don't how Spain had been suffering in international competitions before 2008. And btw if you don't know the meaning of a team's 'golden generation' you can use any of the various search engines available to you
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Afobear: 9:18am On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
I don't shoot without researching
I don't shoot and hope , I aim down the barrel and fill your head with lead
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 9:19am On May 27, 2021
Moura7:
Same Modtic that remained hidden till Xavi and Iniesta left europe. What's the diff btw Modric and Forlan or Diego Molito or even Sneijder ( his fellow one season wonder companions).
Remove Forlan from that list. He's not a one season wonder.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Moura7(m): 9:34am On May 27, 2021
Debroslink:
Remove Forlan from that list. He's not a one season wonder.
My bad...Forlan was actually fire, but better than Henryhuh
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 9:42am On May 27, 2021
Moura7:
My bad...Forlan was actually fire, but better than Henryhuh
Henry was surrounded by world-class players, but Forlan was surrounded by average players, and still won the European golden Boot not once but twice.

Need I say more?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 9:55am On May 27, 2021
Debroslink:
Henry was surrounded by world-class players, but Forlan was surrounded by average players, and still won the European golden Boot not once but twice.

Need I say more?
Henry too won it two times na though I respect forlan for his exploits with atletico and Uruguay To me I don't think he was ever up to Henry's level
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Santiago123(m): 9:56am On May 27, 2021
Virus99:
Don't mind those Cules bro.

Xavi and Iniesta were in the same club. They had world class individuals to help them win the Mundial. Torres in front, Sargio Ramos at the back and Cassilas at the goal. In the world cup final, Cassilas put up a beastly performance. 2x he saved one-on-one from Arjen Robben. And even saved a very dangerous shot from Sneijder.

But Modric who did he have ?
single handedly took his country to the Mundial final. Gave Madrid the midfield needed to win La decima.

And while Barca was doing very fine long after Xavi and Iniesta were discarded, Modric at 33 is still playing Elite football!

That is why Modric was able to win an individual award like the Balloon d'or.

If he had a very great team at Country side too, he would have won the World Cup, 3 times back to back.

Luka 10 is greatest midfielder ever seen.
Period fullstop. cool
I am a Barcelona fan,modric better than iniesta,it's quite debatable,but it could go either way really,inista is usually overrated by most of the cules here.
But that's just about it,I don't think modric or any midfielder of the last 15 years comes close to xavi,i can back my claim up,but I believe any intelligent person should know this.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Kilishihunter: 9:59am On May 27, 2021
Roberto Martinez is the latest name linked with the barca managerial seat Seems koeman would continue if a replacement is not found
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by jpmoriarti(m): 10:45am On May 27, 2021
devvy44:
Has Messi held the main thing?
Why you jumping from Xavi, Iniesta to Messi? I thought the discussion was between Modric on one hand and Xavi, Iniesta on the other?

Can't you ever present logical arguments for once in your entire life without red herring? sad angry
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by jpmoriarti(m): 10:48am On May 27, 2021
Santiago123:
I am a Barcelona fan,modric better than iniesta,it's quite debatable,but it could go either way really,inista is usually overrated by most of the cules here.
But that's just about it,I don't think modric or any midfielder of the last 15 years comes close to xavi,i can back my claim up,but I believe any intelligent person should know this.
I am a Barcelona fan but your moniker almost read 'Santiago Bernabeu' grin grin

Barcelona fan indeed shocked cool cool
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by jpmoriarti(m): 10:53am On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
Roberto Martinez is the latest name linked with the barca managerial seat Seems koeman would continue if a replacement is not found
Despite the numerous short comings of Koeman, if Barcelona fail to tremendously renovate this group of players we currently have, I will say we won't improve much, no matter which coach we have.

About 75% of players in this current squad are playing at a very very low level and I don't think they can give more than that. They are simply players not good enough for the shirt.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 11:31am On May 27, 2021
jpmoriarti:
Why you jumping from Xavi, Iniesta to Messi? I thought the discussion was between Modric on one hand and Xavi, Iniesta on the other?

Can't you ever present logical arguments for once in your entire life without red herring? sad angry
All of the sudden international trophy is the all and all when measuring players like modric success in football, but not Messi.

Ok
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Awesome01(m): 11:33am On May 27, 2021
jpmoriarti:
Despite the numerous short comings of Koeman, if Barcelona fail to tremendously renovate this group of players we currently have, I will say we won't improve much, no matter which coach we have.

About 75% of players in this current squad are playing at a very very low level and I don't think they can give more than that. They are simply players not good enough for the shirt.
If you hadn't included excuses for Koeman, I would have agreed with you all the way about players playing at a very low level.

However, coaching tactics, motivation and on-the-field formation flexibility to counter opponents tactics also have a lot to do with success, not forgetting right substitutions.

How many times have you seen Koeman shouting or signalling instructions to his players from the sidelines?
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Awesome01(m): 11:37am On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
Roberto Martinez is the latest name linked with the barca managerial seat Seems koeman would continue if a replacement is not found
There are many good coaches now on the market if we have money to contract one, even there are rumours about Zidane, Allegri, Conte etc.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by jpmoriarti(m): 11:37am On May 27, 2021
devvy44:
All of the sudden international trophy is the all and all when measuring players like modric success in football, but not Messi.

Ok
Lesson is to stick to a consistent line of argument. If you chop 'L' on top that, collect the 'L' in peace. Stop jumping from pillar to pole.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by jpmoriarti(m): 11:46am On May 27, 2021
Awesome01:
If you hadn't included excuses for Koeman, I would have agreed with you all the way about players playing at a very low level.

However, coaching tactics, motivation and on-the-field formation flexibility to counter opponents tactics also have a lot to do with success, not forgetting right substitutions.

How many times have you seen Koeman shouting or signalling instructions to his players from the sidelines?
I still think Koeman can be a massive success at Barcelona. His substitutions may not have worked well because most of the time the players coming in does not have what it takes to improve the team. We have seen lots of team performance collapse after substitutions were made even though it was a like-for-like substitution. Example replacing a right back with another.

And most of other time, we do not have finishers. We generate alot of chances but fail to score them but then concede once the opponent generate their first chance. These are signs of feeble team who need proper re-engineering. These signs have been their since 2017. Weak mentality. It won't vanish over night until we dismiss about 75% of this current squad.

How can you explain that the team collapsed as soon as it was obvious they were likely to win the league? If you see a coaching deficiency, I see the demons of Rome, Liverpool all over again. sad
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Awesome01(m): 11:59am On May 27, 2021
jpmoriarti:
I still think Koeman can be a massive success at Barcelona. His substitutions may not have worked well because most of the time the players coming in does not have what it takes to improve the team. We have seen lots of team performance collapse after substitutions were made even though it was a like-for-like substitution. Example replacing a right back with another.

And most of other time, we do not have finishers. We generate alot of chances but fail to score them but then concede once the opponent generate their first chance. These are signs of feeble team who need proper re-engineering. These signs have been their since 2017. Weak mentality. It won't vanish over night until we dismiss about 75% of this current squad.

How can you explain that the team collapsed as soon as it was obvious they were likely to win the league? If you see a coaching deficiency, I see the demons of Rome, Liverpool all over again. sad
Good points there. However, if Koeman stays he needs to change his tactics a bit to help motivate his players to play for him.

We cannot have an introvert as a captain on the field and also have a quiet coach on the sideline, its remedy for disaster.

Like you pointed "weak mentality" out. Psychologist could be used to raise players morale before and during games.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 12:06pm On May 27, 2021
Moura7:
Same Modtic that remained hidden till Xavi and Iniesta left europe. What's the diff btw Modric and Forlan or Diego Molito or even Sneijder ( his fellow one season wonder companions). Xavi and Iniesta that championed that glorious spanish era...like the national team didn't even need a striker. They won euro 2008 , WC 2010, Euro 2012 consecutively and woulda gone on to win the 2013 confed if not for life...
Where were Xavi and Iniesta when modric helped Madrid to 3 consecutive Ucl titles?


At 34 they were no longer fit to play la liga
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Nobody: 12:06pm On May 27, 2021
Awesome01:
Good points there. However, if Koeman stays he needs to change his tactics a bit to help motivate his players to play for him.

We cannot have an introvert a runaway soldier as a captain on the field and also have a quiet coach on the sideline, its remedy for disaster.

Like you pointed "weak mentality" out. Psyfhologist could be used to raise players morale before and during games.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Awesome01(m): 12:08pm On May 27, 2021
Allegri has returned to Juventus to replace Pirlo.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Awesome01(m): 12:11pm On May 27, 2021
[quote author=devvy44 post=102110154][/quote]Guy, must you jump into every discussion on this thread? Na wa o.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 12:26pm On May 27, 2021
Kilishihunter:
Henry too won it two times na though I respect forlan for his exploits with atletico and Uruguay To me I don't think he was ever up to Henry's level
Henry did it with world class players around him. That's the difference. Henry without Zidane was a disaster for France. Eg 2002 WC.

Forlan led his country to Copa America with a team inferior to Brazil and Argentina. WC golden Ball best player. WC goal of the tournament

Won golden Boot with Villarreal, dragged Atletico to Europa league title before Simeone's era.

I respect Forlan more
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Moura7(m): 12:35pm On May 27, 2021
Debroslink:
Henry was surrounded by world-class players, but Forlan was surrounded by average players, and still won the European golden Boot not once but twice.

Need I say more?
Lol...let's not downplay Henry's greatness just because he was surrounded by great players.
The same can be said about Messi too.
Re: Fc Barcelona Fan Thread: "més Que Un Club" by Debroslink: 12:37pm On May 27, 2021
Moura7:
Lol...let's not downplay Henry's greatness just because he was surrounded by great players.
The same can be said about Messi too.
Aside Suarez, kindly name the great players around Messi in 2017 and 2018 under Valverde.
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