Fkhalifa:
The truth is pride and Ego will not let many admit some facts, Saying Emey found his level is funny, i mean he has been taking midtable teams to UCL and he has done it again..

Your Arsenal is like a relagation threatened side who needs an Allardyce to take them back up, so Emery is a typical manager to take Arsenal back to UCL( May not win you league or UcL though)..

Emery may not be up to the Pep and Klopp to take your club to the top, but with proper ambitious Owners and players with guts and fire( like we saw in a Villarreal side with no special players as against the bottlers who would disgrace you by losing 4-1 in a cup final), He is good enough to at least patch this yeye club back to Europe either through 4th or Europa.

It is not easy to get rid of bad owners like the Kroenkes and the bad players, but easier with the coach.

I said it that year, no big coach will take this Arsenal job, Allegri rejected it, Ancelloti preferred Everton and Mourinho opted for Tottenham... Klopp and Pep will have their image soil also in this football club, only a youth corper will take the Arsenal job.

I can agree Emery got some things wrong, didn't communicate well, had bad relationship with some players etc but that's not the total package...

My problem with him was sticking and having faith with useless players like Xhaka instead of doing a Conte by stepping down, A Nuno Esperito could have gone to Portugal and get you fresh talents.

Jodera:
You're talking about the good sides, but in reality, it's not the good side that got him sacked. It's the bad side unfortunately.
You seemed to skip my first point. Any coach the loses his dressing room, NO MATTER HOW GOOD(emphasis on the capitalized words), deserves to be sacked. Emery didn't only lose the dressing room, he lost the fans as well. Fans appearance to the stadium dwindled each passing week as well as losing his players. Even a guardiola or klopp can't escape such sack talk more of Emery. The reason Arteta saw out the season even with worse result than Emery was because he never lost the dressing room. So you bringing up his first season positives does no justice to counter his sack if we're been realistic.

Reason why I brought up mourinho man u sack. The moment he lost the dressing room, his 2nd position and trophies of previous seasons counted for nothing. That's the harsh reality of football.

Jodera:
I dont agree with that bolded one bit at all. Maybe presently but never ever when emery was initially employed.
I mean we just finished 6th the previous season before he was employed and that was once in over 20yrs. How then are we a mid table team or a relegation looking team? Reason we employed Emery to take us back to the top(at least top4) since we saw him as an elite manager and not some mid table manager like Moyes or sort. Emery failed such task in his first season and looked far worse in his 2nd season and you want us to be happy because he took sevilla to b2b2b Europa? Wetin concern us with sevilla?.

Please, we still had hope of having top 4 reason why we employed Emery, he failed in it and that's fact. We left him till the 2nd season and he got worse, thus rightfully deserving the sack. Let us don't paint Emery as if he was one klopp or guardiola that guarantees standard top4 every season.

Jodera:
I dont agree with that bolded one bit at all. Maybe presently but never ever when emery was initially employed.
I mean we just finished 6th the previous season before he was employed and that was once in over 20yrs. How then are we a mid table team or a relegation looking team? Reason we employed Emery to take us back to the top(at least top4) since we saw him as an elite manager and not some mid table manager like Moyes or sort. Emery failed such task in his first season and looked far worse in his 2nd season and you want us to be happy because he took sevilla to b2b2b Europa? Wetin concern us with sevilla?.

Please, we still had hope of having top 4 reason why we employed Emery, he failed in it and that's fact. We left him till the 2nd season and he got worse, thus rightfully deserving the sack. Let us don't paint Emery as if he was one klopp or guardiola that guarantees standard top4 every season.

Jodera:
Any body talking about how it's wrong to sack Emery have forgotten how bad we really are. Like I said earlier, sacking him isn't wrong, but maybe replacing him with Arteta. It's just like man u fans asking why they sacked mourinho cos of Ole failings.

Seems we've forgotten how Emery was for us, lemme do a little refresher

1... Emery lost the dressing room. Any coach, no matter how good, who loses his dressing room deserves the sack. No two ways about it

2... Who has forgotten Emery countless formations? Today we'll do 3133, tomorrow 3313. Next week 4231, then the next 4312. The players are always confused and he also seem confused too.

3... Who can forget the shots we receive per match? Almost 15+ averagely, if not for the heroics of Leno then, na basket we for dey carry goals weekly.

4.. Against Southampton, lacazette scored the equalizer and made facial expression as if he regretted scoring. Worst part is nobody even met to celebrate with him. That tells you the unhappiness in the camp.
Our grinding machine nko?

Abeg, I detested the last days of Emery era and nobody can convince me otherwise that the board made a wrong decision to sack him. His found his level, kudos to him

BlueRayDick:


I just look all the funny comments of people trying to suggest we should've been more patient with "Good Ebening"....make I no just talk.

I have come to realize that time deems people's memory especially when it comes to football matters and they fail to see things for what they are immediately they see that a decision made to correct an anomaly didn't bring out the desired result.

"Good Ebening" was the same man who would start a faltering Willock against them Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Henderson etc in midfield and lose with cricket scores not just once....He was busy losing to dem Crystal palace starting moda4cking Mustafi, etc. He even played in the Yorupa final and lost to Sarri who has never won a major trophy before in his life.

Now he's won against a clueless Ole and I'm supposed to agree "Good Ebening" should've been given more time at the Emirates?


One thing is clear, "Good Ebening has shown himself to be a coach who is suited for winning cup competitions and not 38 games league over the years. I mean he took a 7th placed villareal in the LA Liga to win Yorupa.....He's no different from "the rookie" Arteta who took 8th placed Arsenal to win the FA cup last season.

Arteta may not be the best coach to bank on when u want to win or get highly placed in a 38 match league but so is "Good Ebening" . Anybody wey wan vex, make dem vex but sacking "Good Ebening" at the time they did was right and I will support it over and over again. Maybe getting a rookie like Arteta to replace him wasn't the right decision but people coming on here to suggest Good ebening would've made much difference if given more time is nonesense. We were actually embarrassed in the only final he took us to

SodO9:

Don't mind them
One thing is sure if we had made it to final, Arteta will beat that United team without entering penalties

Jodera:
Lol... Congrats to him.
Like I said, I wished him well esp against man u. He doesn't needs to be tactically astute to win man u, just park the bus and hit on counter. Trusting him who always tune his team to counter his opponent instead of playing his game, Ole fell sweetly into his hands

Kudos to him

Akinbahm:


Baba, all this shalaye on top say u wan console yourself...

Roland17:


I think you are getting the positions wrongs about this argument and I hope you see the difference.

Maybe I should speak for my self. I am not necessarily saying Ebening should have remained coach, I gave up by December after his first season. I pushed for his sack sef but I also knew Arteta shouldn’t have been the replacement.. Arteta was like from frying pan to fire and that is even dent with our current situation.

When Wenger left, I advocated for Allergri/ Enrique/ Nagglesman.. After Ebening, we should have been more strategic in his replacement. No one, at least for me is saying Ebening shouldn’t have been fired but replacing him with Arteta? That was horrible because Arteta is no where near Ebening..

Roland17:
Arteta’s hiring is a very very risky gamble if you ask me.. One thing I have gathered post Wenger is that seasoned and successful managers don’t fancy the Arsenal job, they are not jostling to get the job and now I am left asking myself if Arteta was the only option?

I understand we spoke with Martinez, approached Nuno before ultimately decided to go with Arteta. I said this after his first game, Freddy did not seem ready for the position and I think that made the board even more desperate to hire a new manager. If Freddy held the forth with good results we probably would have been more detailed and patient in our search for a manager who can clean up this mess.

I desperately want a firm manager who can make difficult and bold decisions about our players and style of play..I blame the board for not preparing for post Wenger. They were busy hassling for shares and ownership that everyone forgot to prepare for post Wenger until the results became unbearable and fans stayed away from the stadium.

What style of play and leadership should we expect from Arteta? Would he thrive without Mompha’s kind of money his preceptor has enjoyed throughout his career? From what we saw in his playing days when he was captain and few situations in the dugout, he is quite withdrawn and not the vocal type but the impression from those close to him is that is intelligent and good at reading games. That being said, I am not a believer that loud and vocal translates into strong leadership but this squad of ours need total reorientation and it may take some tough conversations with the players.

BlueRayDick:



This is a very big gamble the board is taking. I hope he doesn't turn out to be a certain Coach Thierry Henry. I mean coach Henry was so good sitting beside Martinez doing things until he collect his first job as head coach ó.

I no just buy all dis "he's favorite 3 years ago and still favorite today " yarns o.

Anyways let's see what he will do this January transfer window if he gets the job.

Spy360:

All these talks about our players not good enough is itching me. Are we worse than Wolves, or Leicester or even Chelsea? It's bad results due to poor decisions that has brought us here. Poor management and coaching.
Forget, a decent manager can achieve much with this same team.

fredoooooo:
Roland17, padimi ..
Zidane , Conte are available o, should we start start doing daily contributions abi make we go collect gbomu le lantern money from bank, to pay them ..

Akinbahm:


We are waiting patiently for Arteta next season.

SodO9:

I fear for Leno's life that year, it's as if na shots go kill am

BlueRayDick:


If u hear them talk about "Good Ebening" glowingly u will think he's some pep Guardiola reincarnate or something. The Spaniard Kadiri Ikana actually finished 7th in the La Liga in a season which Barca, Madrid and Sevilla with their aging squad were not in great form.....Yet na 7th Good Ebening carry.

The fact is even if u buy that guy the whole Dortmund team and their budding talents, the highest "Good Ebening" will get you is to win one cup competition and then maybe qualify for Europa the next season. He is a cup competition coach and won't get you far in the league. Like u rightly said, this man will win Europa with Sevilla, qualify for Champions league and still drop back to Europa ...... Isn't that some crazy shit? Funny enough he has qualified for Champions league tru Europa cup now, my eyes are certainly on him to see if his Leopard will change his spots next year.

Arteta as rookie manager won F.A cup in his first full season and was almost going to make another cup final before he outdid himself. I'm all for replacing Arteta if we get a top coach willing to take the job, but I will never agree a little patience from the fans would've turn around our fortune under "Good Ebening " ; that guy exhausted our patience and he got what was coming to him.

Roland17:


The one wen we borrow for March, we just borrow another money to pay for that one sef..

You no know how much I dey swear for the board and KSN! Suddenly, Zidane/ Conte/ Rangnick/ Allergri until are available but we are stuck with this Spanish Khadiri Ikahana who has become very comfortable

Na Saturday I dey wait for.. You sabi say many people don book dat date.. Man Utd fans go carry am for head like kilode..

Fkhalifa:
Sharp Sharp Chukwueze and Coquelin will play UcL next season niyen o

BTW, Lana1 should please come explain how
Man utd went to Poland with three coaches

Olé solskajaer
Sir Alex Ferguson
Wayne Rooney

And lost to one man

Unai Emery

Jodera:
Lol... Na the main reason why I no too vex when we sell Martinez, not knowing it'll come back to haunt us.
Well, next season dey sha

Fkhalifa:

You don't get me, Arsenal was like relegation threatened teams who often call up on Allardyce to safe them, I only used that simile to buttress why Emery wasn't hired majorly to win the league or UCL but rather take midtable teams back to UCL which I feel he was good enough and could have achieved in a [b]sane environment he proved again yesterday anyways.tgsb

You said Emery failed in his first season but if you look deep inward you'll know with the bad Atmosphere he had, he alone shouldn't take the entire blame...

If you consider facts like him having no say on players signings and no backing from the board( Which serious club concentrates on bringing Retirees like Luiz and Litchtener while your rivals were signing the Maguire,V.dijk and Laporte) who allowed players to disrespect mock the coach...

Also, club where every players are mostly insipid and lackadaisical with zero fight of every drop of their sweat and blood...

Bro, The problem is the mentality and atmosphere around the club from the owner to the board to the coaching crew and players even to some of the fans.

I want to see how Pep and Klopp will survive competiting with Luiz,Mustafi,Kolasinac,Litchtener against Laporte,Diaz, V.dijk and Maguire.

SodO9:

Omo Leno wan die no be small
But which kind stupid tactics go they allow opponents fire shots at your keeper
Emery na bastard abeg, why the werey no try am with scummies or against us

Fkhalifa:
Sharp Sharp Chukwueze and Coquelin will play UcL next season niyen o

BTW, Lana1 should please come explain how
Man utd went to Poland with three coaches

Olé solskajaer
Sir Alex Ferguson
Wayne Rooney

And lost to one man

Unai Emery

Roland17:


Dem carry DNA wan come celebrate..

Jodera:


1...I get your point but then you're looking at Emery as a coach that can take a mid table team to champions league. That I felt was your mistake. Arsenal was not a mid table team, we were always top 4 contenders and the board hired him for such, not that the hired him for us to be finishing 6th and 7th while winning Europa.

2... When he came initially, the atmosphere was bright and all. Everyone wanted to play for him. If it later turned sour, maybe he should look at himself also. Bear in mind that he wasn't able to fully control a room with neymar, mbappe and cavani, how much more a volatile personality like ozil.

3... I think he sanctioned the transfer of guen and torreira with sokratis. Maybe aside lichs, but he sanctioned those first 3

4... As for the lackadaisical attitude and mentality, it's the job of the coach to make them winners. Klopp did it when he came to Liverpool. You could see his fighting spirit in the team. I give it to Emery that he started giving them that winner's attitude and improve our mentality, but along the line he lost his way. Reason why our first season ended poorly and his 2nd season was damn so bad.

And as for klopp and guardiola, why they might not win trophies with this present squad, buy one thing is certain, you'll surely see improvement in play and mentality. With those two attributes added, he can then phase them out gradually while bringing his players. Emery didn't reach the stage to phase them out gradually reason why he was axed.

Hope you get my point tho

Jodera:
What do you mean by mentally sick?
I don't know where you're driving at here, but I can never call Wenger a mentally sick person. Abeg!

kodded:
show me where I said that ceballos should play for this team?


....I will take your other comment as a joke tho

Jodera:
Lol... See digressions Who talked about debt and selling off best players?
I'm talking about mentality he brought to the team and how it seeped into the squad even after he is gone and you're talking about RM and him selling best players (which is another discussion entirely).
Please if you want to counter, talk about the mentality I brought up instead of all these emotional stuff you're displaying

mostob:
What do you think could have been the problem then? I can remember the season we only have Leicester to compete with yet he fumbled. We were in the title race in a particular season and we only needed a decent striker in the January transfer window yet who did we got? An injured Kim Kalstrom. Wenger was partially at fault.

Infact, if it won't be too extreme, Wenger made the board too comfortable. He practically carried every burden for them.

Their unwillingness to spend might have been due to Wenger been too honest.

Jodera:
Lol, this your talks are emotional talks without facts. Let us don't go emotional, bring facts and logic let's discuss. Simple