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Kobojunkie:
1. The reference to Kingdom of God throughout the book of John is to both Heaven and Hell... john 3 no different or Jesus Christ's message would have been rendered meaningless.

2. In the Book of Matthew however, the writer, takes a different approach to referencing the domains within the Kingdom by clearly stating Kingdom of Heaven(God's Kingdom in the translation I use) or the Kingdom of Hell .

So in Matthew 11 vs 11, John the Baptist is instead compared to those in God's Kingdom or in other translations Kingdom of Heaven.

Am glad you know that God's kingdom could mean kingdom of heaven .

According to Matthew 11:11 , John the Baptist isn't among those who will be in kingdom of God ... Would he be in Hell ? @highlighted

3. Born of the Spirit, according to Jesus Christ is necessary in order to gain access into the Kingdom of God (this in the book of John refers to either of the narrow gate or the broad gate). And Jesus Christ does give us a hint as to what may be when He compared those who are born of the Spirit with the wind in John 3 vs 8

@Bold, I didn't ask why it's necessary, I ask what does the statement what is born of spirit " IS SPIRIT" means ?

Barristter07:
Am glad you know that God's kingdom could mean kingdom of heaven .

According to Matthew 11:11 , John the Baptist isn't among those who will be in kingdom of God ... Would he be in Hell ? @highlighted

@Bold, I didn't ask why it's necessary, I ask what does the statement what is born of spirit " IS SPIRIT" means ?

1. God's Kingdom, as used in the Book of Matthew, refers to the Kingdom of Heaven itself, is what I mean there. The writer of the book of John takes a different approach to referencing the domains in the envelope which He calls the Kingdom of God though. I had to try to learn the different ways each writer referenced the different domains in their writings and I wish more people 2would know this as it does cause some serious confusions.

2. John the Baptist was an Old Covenant prophet..the promise they have is instead forever in the Kingdom of Canaan, according to Deuteronomy 30.

3. That which is born of the Spirit is able to interact as Spirit can and does. Spirit can speak directly to Spirit ... this is how far I have been able to learn on this subject as of this moment.

Barristter07:
@highlight, There are two ressurection . Only the First Ressurection is for those who will rule with Jesus Christ. They are Spirit persons , What is born of spirit is Spirit. You would have done well to read that scripture I posted earlier.

Those who will live forever on Earth are not born of spirit. They would live forever as " Humans " Revelation 21:4. I repeat, what the spirit born is spirit. Not human.

You see what I do use to say!

Now, you just in one dubious way, swiped aside my point but cling to your delusion.

Here is my post again and questions I asked.

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@color 1
Bible affirms that every believers are born of God and God is a Spirit.

"But as MANY as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. kjv

The two scriptures above affirm that ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF God which is A NEW BIRTH.

In fact, 1 Peter made it clear that WE ARE "...BORN AGAIN to a living hope through the RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST from the DEAD"


Unless you want to say resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is selective in nature and only apply to few people.

@Highlight
That's your wacked & self induced interpretation, no wonder you changed BORN to RESURRECT

@color2
The one who will live forever on earth are they BORN OF GOD OR not?

Provide answers to my questions above!

Emusan:
You see what I do use to say!

Now, you just in one dubious way, swiped aside my point but cling to your delusion.

Here is my post again and questions I asked.

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Provide answers to my questions above!

My last post did more justice to your point.

If Every believer is born again, All of them would have had the hope of becoming Spirit persons like God. But is that the case? Revelation 21:4 is there for you, are those sinners ? ... It's high time you check your understanding of those verses. God created everyone , believer and unbeliever. We can as well say God born everyone through human father's, But it's very clear that born in this context is different, not just a matter of God creating a person through human Father's, but he himself adopted, rebirth those having part in first Ressurection . This make them future Spirits sons.

Or care to explain What does the expression what is born of spirit " is spirit " means ?

Kobojunkie:
1. God's Kingdom, as used in the Book of Matthew, refers to the Kingdom of Heaven itself, is what I mean there. The writer of the book of John takes a different approach to referencing the domains in the envelope which He calls the Kingdom of God though. I had to try to learn the different ways each writer referenced the different domains in their writings and I wish more people 2would know this as it does cause some serious confusions.

2. John the Baptist was an Old Covenant prophet..the promise they have is instead forever in the Kingdom of Canaan, according to Deuteronomy 30.

By your second point, you just affirm that Hell is not necessarily the opposite of Kingdom of heaven. And point of emphasis , Isrealites had possessed Canaan as promised, John is not looking forward to Canaan, but a new earth.

3. That which is born of the Spirit is able to interact as Spirit can and does. Spirit can speak directly to Spirit ... this is how far I have been able to learn on this subject as of this moment.

You are implying at bold that the expression means what is born of spirit can imitate Spirit .
The expression is direct , " Is spirit" , it doesn't say " as Spirit " . Like you said , you have more to learn on the subject, if you admit that God is spirit means God " is spirit" person, what stop you from admitting that Persons born of spirit " is spirit" means they will one day become Spirit persons like God ?

Barristter07:
By your second point, you just affirm that Hell is not necessarily the opposite of Kingdom of heaven. And point of emphasis , Isrealites had possessed Canaan as promised, John is not looking forward to Canaan, but a new earth.

You are implying at bold that the expression means what is born of spirit can imitate Spirit .
The expression is direct , " Is spirit" , it doesn't say " as Spirit " . Like you said , you have more to learn on the subject, if you admit that God is spirit means God " is spirit" person, what stop you from admitting that Persons born of spirit " is spirit" means they will one day become Spirit persons like God ?

1. Wrong! Hell is indeed the opposite of Heaven in the Kingdom of God.

Please pay close attention to what I type so you dont continue to misconstrue my words.

Kobojunkie:
2. John the Baptist was an Old Covenant prophet.. the promise they have is instead forever in the Kingdom of Canaan, according to Deuteronomy 30.

I dont understand how you could confuse any of what I typed above to mean the opposite of Heaven is Canaaan.

If you have problems with know of the promise that God made in His Old Covenant to the people of Israel as far as Canaan is concerned, I suggest you read through the book of Leviticus carefully, particularly Deuteronomy 30 where through Moses, God spells out exactly what the Israelites received as a result of their adherence to the Covenant God made them.

2. Again, you need to pay close attention to what is in fact staged.

Kobojunkie:
3. That which is born of the Spirit is able to interact as Spirit can and does. Spirit can speak directly to Spirit ... this is how far I have been able to learn on this subject as of this moment.

No where in that do I insinuate that that which is born of the Spirit is not Spirit. I simply stated that I at least know that it communicates as Spirit can.
When Jesus Christ spoke to us about the need to be born of the Spirit, He spoke to us of what is to happen in the now, even as we occupy in this world. So I would father focus on the meaning of that to existence as I currently have it. And that is what I speak of... not some unverified assumption of what might be ways off in the future somewhere. Right here and now, I know that that which is born of the Spirit is able to speak to spirits...command them even.

You mention that God is Spirit, but you forget that even demons are themselves spirits. So, whatever conclusion you seek to jump to, be sure to bear that in mind.

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! Hell is indeed the opposite of Heaven in the Kingdom of God.

Please pay close attention to what I type so you dont continue to misconstrue my words. I dont understand how you could confuse any of what I typed above to mean the opposite of Heaven is Canaaan.

If you have problems with know of the promise that God made in His Old Covenant to the people of Israel as far as Canaan is concerned, I suggest you read through the book of Leviticus carefully, particularly Deuteronomy 30 where through Moses, God spells out exactly what the Israelites received as a result of their adherence to the Covenant God made them.

What is John's hope of everlasting life?

A. Canaan

B. Hell

C. Heaven

D. NEW EARTH

2. Again, you need to pay close attention to what is in fact staged. No where in that do I insinuate that that which is born of the Spirit is not Spirit. I simply stated that I at least know that it communicates as Spirit can.
When Jesus Christ spoke to us about the need to be born of the Spirit, He spoke to us of what is to happen in the now, even as we occupy in this world. So I would father focus on the meaning of that to existence as I currently have it. And that is what I speak of... not some unverified assumption of what might be ways off in the future somewhere. Right here and now, I know that that which is born of the Spirit is able to speak to spirits...command them even.

You mention that God is Spirit, but you forget that even demons are themselves spirits . So, whatever conclusion you seek to jump to, be sure to bear that in mind.

Yes am aware, So will you agree with Christ that What is born of spirit IS SPIRIT too just like God and other angels ?

Barristter07:
What is John's hope of everlasting life?
A. Canaan
B. Hell
C. Heaven
D. NEW EARTH

Yes am aware, So will you agree with Christ that What is born of spirit IS SPIRIT too just like God and other angels ?

1. What did God promise those
of the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in Deuteronomy 30 vs 20?

2. Wrong! In John 3 vs 8, Jesus Christ makes no such assertion where it concerns those who are born of Spirit.

Kobojunkie:
1. What did God promise those
of the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in Deuteronomy 30 vs 20?

Jesus came to give everlasting LIFE to the world ( John 3:16), john included, or are you saying Jesus didn't die for John the Baptist too

Back to the question:

Where would John everlasting life be?

A. Canaan

B. Hell
C. Heaven
D.new earth

2. Wrong! In John 3 vs 8, Jesus Christ makes no such assertion where it concerns those who are born of Spirit.

John 3:6 is your answer, What is born of spirit IS what ?

Barristter07:
Jesus came to give everlasting LIFE to the world ( John 3:16), john included, or are you saying Jesus didn't die for John the Baptist too

Back to the question:
Where would John everlasting life be?
A. Canaan
B. Hell
C. Heaven
D.new earth
John 3:6 is your answer, What is born of spirit IS what ?

1. The same Jesus Christ told you that He did not come to call the already righteous but rather the sinners.

John the Baptist was an Old Covenant Prophet. a righteous man of God. There were other righteous people in the land at the time too. Jesus Christ did not come for them as His mission was to the lost sheep of Israel - the sinners among His people. So, pay attention to what God tells you in Deuteronomy 30 vs 20.

2. The context of that statement made by Jesus Christ also includes that which is 2written of in verse 8. So rather read from John 3 vs 1 -21, to learn that indeed Jesus Christ never told you anything about God or Angels where it concerns being born of Spirit.

Kobojunkie:
1. The same Jesus Christ told you that He did not come to call the already righteous but rather the sinners.
John the Baptist was an Old Covenant Prophet. a righteous man of God. There were other righteous people in the land at the time too. Jesus Christ did not come for them as His mission was to the lost sheep of Israel - the sinners among His people. So, pay attention to what God tells you in Deuteronomy 30 vs 20.

Did Jesus came to give John the Baptist everlasting life ? Yes or no.

At where ? Hell? Heaven ? New earth ?

2. The context of that statement made by Jesus Christ also includes that which is 2written of in verse 8. So rather read from John 3 vs 1 -21, to learn that indeed Jesus Christ never told you anything about God or Angels where it concerns being born of Spirit.

Explain John 3:6 what flesh born is flesh, human birth human, what Spirit born is what ?

Barristter07:
Did Jesus came to give John the Baptist everlasting life ? Yes or no.
At where ? Hell? Heaven ? New earth ?

Explain John 3:6 what flesh born is flesh, human birth human, what Spirit born is what ?

1. If you read Deuteronomy 30 beginning from verse 15, you would have realized that John, the Baptist, already had eternal life as a result of his being a righteous man even of the Old Covenant way. Jesus Christ did not need to come to give John, the Baptist, everlasting/eternal life. He, John, already had that as part of the promise given Him by God from the Old Covenant.

2. I am not certain why you seem to have a hard time grasping what I have stated so far as far as those who are born of the Spirit. Jesus Christ never stated that those who are born of Spirit become like God or His Angels. He left that open to include even the Spirit description of demons and devils by His statement in John 3 vs 6 - 8.

Kobojunkie:
1. If you read Deuteronomy 30 beginning from verse 15, you would have realized that John, the Baptist, already had eternal life as a result of his being a righteous man even of the Old Covenant way. Jesus Christ did not need to come to give John, the Baptist, everlasting/eternal life. He, John, already had that as part of the promise given Him by God from the Old Covenant.

You didn't see you have a flawed logic here ?
Then John the Baptist shouldn't have died.

" But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live" - Deuteronomy 30:18,19

He died young, Does that mean he served other gods going by this account not Deuteronomy, If he has eternal life, why is he now dead ?

2. I am not certain why you seem to have a hard time grasping what I have stated so far as far as those who are born of the Spirit. Jesus Christ never stated that those who are born of Spirit become like God or His Angels. He left that open to include even the Spirit description of demons and devils by His statement in John 3 vs 6 - 8.

God, angels , Demons all ARE SPIRIT persons. what differentiate them all is character . The focus is on the spirit nature, Do you accept Jesus said those born of spirit are Spirit ?

Barristter07:
You didn't see you have a flawed logic here ?
Then John the Baptist shouldn't have died.

" But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live" - Deuteronomy 30:18,19

He died young, Does that mean he served other gods going by this account not Deuteronomy, If he has eternal life, why is he now dead ?

God, angels , Demons all ARE SPIRIT persons. what differentiate them all is character . The focus is on the spirit nature, Do you accept Jesus said those born of spirit are Spirit ?

1. So are you insinuating that because John the Bapstist died young means he did not have eternal life? Help me out here cause I am lost as to your reasoning here.

Did John's heart turn from God that he should instead perish(cease to exist upon death) as the verse you highlighted states?

2. Read John 3 vs 1 - 21 to understand Jesus Christ's message to you about being born again and born of Spirit. No matter how much you continue to wiggle your way around, you will not make those verses say what they don't mean at all.

Kobojunkie:
1. So are you insinuating that because John the Bapstist died young means he did not have eternal life? Help me out here cause I am lost as to your reasoning here.

Did John's heart turn from God that he should instead perish(cease to exist upon death) as the verse you highlighted states?

Lol I said it. You confused.. going by Deuteronomy he didn't have any external life . You are making that up
So he didn't cease to exist upon death, where is he then ?

2. Read John 3 vs 1 - 21 to understand Jesus Christ's message to you about being born again and born of Spirit. No matter how much you continue to wiggle your way around, you will not make those verses say what they don't mean at all .

Tell me what the expression what is born of spirit, IS SPIRIT means then ?

Barristter07:
Lol I said it. You confused.. going by Deuteronomy he didn't have any external life . You are making that up
So he didn't cease to exist upon death, where is he then ?
Tell me what the expression what is born of spirit, IS SPIRIT means then ?

1. I made up the part about God promising the people Life or Death as documented in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20 ?

You know what, I am not interested in convincing you of that which you do not previously know so ....
Anyways, this back and forth has gone on long enough. It is time for me to bid you adieu on this.

Kobojunkie:
1. I made up the part about God promising the people Life or Death as documented in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 -20 ?

You know what, I am not interested in convincing you of that which you do not previously know so ....
Anyways, this back and forth has gone on long enough. It is time for me to bid you adieu on this.

You quote a verse that didn't support your ideas Why did John the Baptist died young ? If you say he didn't cease to exist at death, where is he ?

I put that to you.

Good day

Barristter07:
You quote a verse that didn't support your ideas Why did John the Baptist died young ? If you say he didn't cease to exist at death, where is he ?

I put that to you.

Good day

Just so you know, there is nobody in Heaven or Hell...so where do you think those who are dead go?

Barristter07:
My last post did more justice to your point.

Lying liar JWs like your father the devil.

Your last post was just boycotted my point not was addressed.

If Every believer is born again, All of them would have had the hope of becoming Spirit persons like God. But is that the case? Revelation 21:4 is there for you, are those sinners ?

You first came with "What is BORN of spirit is spirit" to explain that why SOME PEOPLE are Born again and other aren't.

But I countered that by providing various verses that say "ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF GOD, who is a Spirit"

But the same deluded you, start to change the meaning of BORN AGAIN to mean BECOMING SPIRIT PERSON, RESURRECTION AS A SPIRIT PERSON

...It's high time you check your understanding of those verses. God created everyone , believer and unbeliever. We can as well say [b]God born everyone through human father's,

You see what I usually say, your lying mouth is easily to get exposed.

God BORN EVERYONE through human Father's....lying liar JWs!

John 1:12-13 wasn't about EVERYONE, likewise 1 Peter I quoted earlier.

But it's very clear that born in this context is different, not just a matter of God creating a person through human Father's, but he himself adopted, rebirth those having part in first Ressurection . This make them future Spirits sons.

The @color says it all I don't need to add anything else.

Or care to explain What does the expression what is born of spirit " is spirit " means ?

My question is, ARE NOT ALL BELIEVERS BORN OF GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT?

No wonder you changed BORN TO RESURRECTION and still foolishly say "himself adopted, rebirth those having part in first Ressurection"

Are the people who will live forever on earth not ADOPTED, REBIRTH AND RESURRECTED?

Ole oshi

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Emusan:
Lying liar JWs like your father the devil.

Your last post was just boycotted my point not was addressed.



You first came with "What is BORN of spirit is spirit" to explain that why SOME PEOPLE are Born again and other aren't.

But I countered that by providing various verses that say "ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN OF GOD, who is a Spirit"

But the same deluded you, start to change the meaning of BORN AGAIN to mean BECOMING SPIRIT PERSON, RESURRECTION AS A SPIRIT PERSON

You see what I usually say, your lying mouth is easily to get exposed.

God BORN EVERYONE through human Father's....lying liar JWs!

John 1:12-13 wasn't about EVERYONE, likewise 1 Peter I quoted earlier.
The @color says it all I don't need to add anything else.

My question is, ARE NOT ALL BELIEVERS BORN OF GOD WHO IS A SPIRIT?
No wonder you changed BORN TO RESURRECTION and still foolishly say "himself adopted, rebirth those having part in first Ressurection"


Are the people who will live forever on earth not ADOPTED, REBIRTH AND RESURRECTED?

Ole oshi

You are now grabbing straws, Every human is born by God through human Father's.

Rebirth is another kind of birth. And not all believers share in it.

@highlighted
No. They are not REBIRTH... If they are , they would have been Spirits not humans. the fact that they are living forever as humans showed they are believers in Christ .

What the spirit born is Spirit. They still maintain their Human birth. Take a clue from Jesus Ressurection of people, after their Ressurection as human , the people still retain their parent , brothers and sisters nature. Their Human father's are still their Father. Still that same birth. Not a Rebirth , those experiencing rebirth took God's Divine nature.

Barristter07:
You are now grabbing straws, Every human is born by God through human Father's.

So which means every human will live forever on EARTH....

It's very obvious how you're trying to twist the scripture because every honest Bible believing students know that John 1:12-13 and 1 Peter I quoted earlier were strictly for BELIEVERS not EVERY HUMAN.

Rebirth is another kind of birth. And not all believers share in it.

Liar....

Just say John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter aren't for ALL BELIEVERS...opuro oshi

Here it is again:
"But as MANY as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused US to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. kjv

@highlighted
No. They are not REBIRTH... If they are , they would have been Spirits not humans. the fact that they are living forever as humans showed they are believers in Christ .

To you they are not but scripture makes it cleared that THEY ARE REBIRTH because to be REBIRTH is to BORN AGAIN which both John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 1:3 are all about.

What the spirit born is Spirit. They still maintain their Human birth. Take a clue from Jesus Ressurection of people, after their Ressurection as human , the people still retain their parent , brothers and sisters nature. Their Human father's are still their Father. Still that same birth. Not a Rebirth , those experiencing rebirth took God's Divine nature.

And scripture proves that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN which is through SPIRIT.

The lying liar mouth now change from BORN AGAIN to Rebirth and the deluded forgot that both still mean the same thing.

When John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 1:3 boldly talking about BORN AGAIN/REBIRTH of ALL BELIEVERS.

Is born again different from REBIRTH?

Emusan:
So which means every human will live forever on EARTH....

It's very obvious how you're trying to twist the scripture because every honest Bible believing students know that John 1:12-13 and 1 Peter I quoted earlier were strictly for BELIEVERS not EVERY HUMAN.



Liar....

Just say John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter aren't for ALL BELIEVERS...opuro oshi

Here it is again:
"But as MANY as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God." John 1:12-13

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused US to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. kjv



To you they are not but scripture makes it cleared that THEY ARE REBIRTH because to be REBIRTH is to BORN AGAIN which both John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 1:3 are all about.



And scripture proves that ALL BELIEVERS are BORN AGAIN which is through SPIRIT.

The lying liar mouth now change from BORN AGAIN to Rebirth and the deluded forgot that both still mean the same thing.

When John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 1:3 boldly talking about BORN AGAIN/REBIRTH of ALL BELIEVERS.

Is born again different from REBIRTH?

One Fact has been established, humans who are believers will live forever on Earth. The gift of everlasting life is for those who show Faith in Christ. Rev 21:4, john 3:8 even proved that God choose who undergo this rebirth, not a matter of being a believer, !

This got Interesting: What is born of spirit "IS SPIRIT " means ?

Emphasis on the phrase " Is spirit " . Tell us what you know.

Barristter07:
One Fact has been established, humans who are believers will live forever on Earth.

Only in your head not from the Holy word of God.

And see the way the deluded shameless boycotted John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 3

The gift of everlasting life is for those who show Faith in Christ.

We're talking about REBIRTH, ode!

The rebirth is what lead to everlasting life.

Rev 21:4, john 3:8 even proved that God choose who undergo this rebirth, not a matter of being a believer, !

See the way the shameless lying liar keep boycotting that John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 3

Does John 1:12-13 look like GOD CHOOSES WHO UNDERGO this rebirth?

Lying liar JWs like your father the devil.

This got Interesting: What is born of spirit "IS SPIRIT " means?

And what is born of flesh is flesh?

Who give birth to those who will live forever on earth?

Emphasis on the phrase " Is spirit " . Tell us what you know.

Emphasis on the "BORN OF flesh is flesh"

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In addition:
12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name.+ 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God. NWT

Who are these verses talking about?

Emusan:
Only in your head not from the Holy word of God.
And see the way the deluded shameless boycotted John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 3
We're talking about REBIRTH, ode!
The rebirth is what lead to everlasting life.
See the way the shameless lying liar keep boycotting that John 1:12-13 & 1 Peter 3

Does John 1:12-13 look like GOD CHOOSES WHO UNDERGO this rebirth?

Lying liar JWs like your father the devil.

And what is born of flesh is flesh?

Who give birth to those who will live forever on earth?
Emphasis on the "BORN OF flesh is flesh"

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In addition:
12 However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name.+ 13 And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God. NWT

Who are these verses talking about?

It's not for a man to decide he is born again or Rebirth. John 1:12,13 at highlighted corroborate what is written at John 3:8 . Not from man's will but God. just as you can feel the wind but cant tell or dictate it's movement. It's not for a man to decide to be born again.


1Peter 3 highlighted the point that those rebirth will be spirit persons , sharers of the Divine nature., God own nature , Spirit. It called it a " PROMISE "


This is different from the Human nature given those who will live forever on Earth . Revelation 21:3,4 . Gods spirit nature doesn't have flesh and blood. God created them , birth them from Adam. But didn't rebirth them as Spirit sons.

Barristter07:
It's not for a man to decide he is born again or Rebirth. John 1:12,13 at highlighted corroborate what is written at John 3:8.

I understand because you have comprehension issue I don't expect you to grab the point, which is the reason you keep perambulating.

Here is the main point from John 1:12-13

12 However, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name....

Bible is very cleared here "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM..."

Not from man's will but God.

Yes! The rebirth isn't from man's will but God but the promise is "To ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM"

Unless you're claiming God is lying here!

[s]just as you can feel the wind but cant tell or dictate it's movement. It's not for a man to decide to be born again.[/s]

Who claimed that it's man who decided to be born again or not?

The point is WHO EVER BELIEVES IN CHRIST IS BORN AGAIN or REBIRTH

1Peter 3 highlighted the point that those rebirth will be spirit persons , sharers of the Divine nature., God own nature , Spirit. It called it a " PROMISE "

Liar! That's not 1 Peter 3 point.

The point is, ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN AGAIN as a result of Christ Dead. That is the DEATH OF CHRIST makes ALL BELIEVERS to be BORN AGAIN not selected people.

[s]This is different from the Human nature given those who will live forever on Earth . Revelation 21:3,4 . Gods spirit nature doesn't have flesh and blood. God created them , birth them from Adam. But didn't rebirth them as Spirit sons.

The question you're still dodging is, those who will live forever on Earth DO THEY BELIEVE/RECEIVE CHRIST?

John 1:12 says "However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.

Emusan:
I understand because you have comprehension issue I don't expect you to grab the point, which is the reason you keep perambulating.
Here is the main point from John 1:12-13
12 However, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they were exercising faith in his name....
Bible is very cleared here "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM..."

Yes! The rebirth isn't from man's will but God but the promise is "To ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM"
Unless you're claiming God is lying here!

Who claimed that it's man who decided to be born again or not?

The point is WHO EVER BELIEVES IN CHRIST IS BORN AGAIN or REBIRTH

Liar! That's not 1 Peter 3 point.

The point is, ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN AGAIN as a result of Christ Dead. That is the DEATH OF CHRIST makes ALL BELIEVERS to be BORN AGAIN not selected people.

I really like the highlighted part . Here is the verse again.

However, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they WERE exercising faith in his name....[/color]
Bible is very cleared here "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM..."

If your comprehension skills is that top notch, you would have seen that the Tenses in the verse are in the past tense. The writer of John 1:12,13 is reffering to the first Jewish followers of Jesus who received him ( see verse 11) . Not all disciples. It says WERE, NOt WILL, the event were In the past . , Did is also past tense too.

The question you're still dodging is, those who will live forever on Earth DO THEY BELIEVE/RECEIVE CHRIST?

John 1:12 says "However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.

We are clear that John 1:12 is not reffering to every believer , So yes many believer's in Christ will live forever on Earth . Like John the Baptist, the repentant theif etc . This one's excercise Faith but are not born again.

Those born again are promised Divine nature not human nature. 1Peter 3.

Barristter07:
I really like the highlighted part . Here is the verse again.

However, TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM, he gave authority to become God’s children,+ because they WERE exercising faith in his name....[/color]
Bible is very cleared here "TO ALL WHO DID RECEIVE HIM..."

If your comprehension skills is that top notch, you would have seen that the Tenses in the verse are in the past tense. The writer of John 1:12,13 is reffering to the first Jewish followers of Jesus who received him ( see verse 11) . Not all disciples. It says WERE, NOt WILL, the event were In the past . , Did is also past tense too.

I do say it, your dubious act is what keeps you under the bondage of your father the Devil for so long.

Now it's about using PAST TENSES.

See how this will put you in more trouble now.

Verse 13 "And they WERE BORN, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God."

So to you, these people are ALREADY REBIRTH even before Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice and not yet resurrected.

Everyone can see your dubious act and the reason why you're twisting that verse.

We are clear that John 1:12 is not reffering to every believer , So yes many believer's in Christ will live forever on Earth . Like John the Baptist, the repentant theif etc . This one's excercise Faith but are not born again.

Those born again are promised Divine nature not human nature. 1Peter 3.

We can see that John 1:12-13 is for everyone as you tried to twist.

All believers are BORN AGAIN even your lying organization said marginal reference to that john 1:13 is 1 John 3:9 which says "Everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin..."

What is the criteria John listed in his epistles as to be born from God?

Ans: EVERYONE who believes that Jesus is CHRIST is BORN OF GOD. 1 John 5:1

I can also see how you stylishly pushed aside that 1 Peter which says "...who according to His great mercy has caused us to be BORN AGAIN to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

Peter affirmed that THROUGH THE RESURRECTION of CHRIST we are BORN AGAIN.

Was resurrection of Christ only for selected people?

Emusan:
I do say it, your dubious act is what keeps you under the bondage of your father the Devil for so long.

Now it's about using PAST TENSES.

See how this will put you in more trouble now.

Verse 13 "And they WERE BORN, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God."

So to you, these people are ALREADY REBIRTH even before Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice and not yet resurrected.

Everyone can see your dubious act and the reason why you're twisting that verse.

I reference to you verse 11, If you had read that, you won't speak the ignorance filled statements above. Was the book John not written after Jesus had died and ressurected ? John was Making a summary in relation to Jesus ministry to the Jews before he died.

Verse 11 reads:

" He came to his own homeland, yet his own people did not receive him . "
CJB


The underlined became obvious after he was killed by the same people. So what John was describing were events that happened in the past in relation to Jesus ministry with the Jews. Not all believers ...

We can see that John 1:12-13 is for everyone as you tried to twist.

Not at all, read again.

All believers are BORN AGAIN even your lying organization said marginal reference to that john 1:13 is 1 John 3:9 which says "Everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin..."

What is the criteria John listed in his epistles as to be born from God?

Ans: EVERYONE who believes that Jesus is CHRIST is BORN OF GOD. 1 John 5:1

I can also see how you stylishly pushed aside that 1 Peter which says "...who according to His great mercy has caused us to be BORN AGAIN to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

Peter affirmed that THROUGH THE RESURRECTION of CHRIST we are BORN AGAIN.

Was resurrection of Christ only for selected people?

Your last question doesn't show you understand how Christ Ressurection works. Many unrighteous persons would gain Ressurection too by virtue of this same Ressurection. So the Fact that someone benefit from Christ death and Ressurection doesn't make them born again. Change that silly idea. ANYONE can benefit from Christ Ressurection , born again or not.

Quote that Peter in Full please

1Peter 1:3,4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, .

Describing that inheritance again in his second letter , he said.

" ... by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. " 2Pet 1:4

Emphasis on " inheritance ... Kept in heaven for you " and " partakers of Divine nature "

It's obvious here that born again individuals won't be having an human nature. Rather God's own Divine nature which doesn't have flesh and blood. And they won't live forever on Earth.

This begs the question : Why are those mentioned as having everlasting life at Rev 21:3,4 not said to have Divine nature ? Why are they on planet Earth where flesh and blood lives? I thought the inheritance/living hope is kept in heaven for them .

Simple answer: Jesus Ransom sacrifice benefit many others to live forever on Earth.

Barristter07:
I reference to you verse 11, If you had read that, you won't speak the ignorance filled statements above. Was the book John not written after Jesus had died and ressurected ? John was Making a summary in relation to Jesus ministry to the Jews before he died.

Verse 11 reads:

" He came to his own homeland, yet his own people did not receive him . "
CJB


The underlined became obvious after he was killed by the same people. So what John was describing were events that happened in the past in relation to Jesus ministry with the Jews. Not all believers ...

Oponu oniro radarada!

If John was describing were events that HAPPENED IN THE PAST in relation to Jesus ministry with the Jews then it also means The Jews were already RESURRECTED because it read " "And they WERE BORN" When your lying mouth was exposed you have to twist mouth again.

Besides, the basis of verse 12-13 is what you pointed out in that verse 11 "he came to own homeland and his OWN PEOPLE did not receive him" because of this is, verse 12 "But TO AS MANY as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God, CJB

No how you twisted it or the version of the Bible you run to, your lying mouth will keep expose.

Not at all, read again.

It is! Mr lying liar like your father the devil.

Even the CJB you run to still expose your lying mouth.

Are you part of the MANY that did receive him and put your trust in his person and power?

Your last question doesn't show you understand how Christ Ressurection works. Many unrighteous persons would gain Ressurection too by virtue of this same Ressurection. So the Fact that someone benefit from Christ death and Ressurection doesn't make them born again. Change that silly idea. ANYONE can benefit from Christ Ressurection , born again or not.

This is the ignoramus we do talk about.

ONLY BELIEVERS benefit from Christ RESURRECTION which is what Peter addressed and that makes ALL BELIEVERS TO BE BORN AGAIN.

I see how you dubiously boycotted my point on 1 John. Ole...

Quote that Peter in Full please

1Peter 1:3,4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, .

Describing that inheritance again in his second letter , he said.

" ... by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. " 2Pet 1:4

Emphasis on " inheritance ... Kept in heaven for you " and " partakers of Divine nature "

It's obvious here that born again individuals won't be having an human nature. Rather God's own Divine nature which doesn't have flesh and blood. And they won't live forever on Earth.

This begs the question : Why are those mentioned as having everlasting life at Rev 21:3,4 not said to have Divine nature ? Why are they on planet Earth where flesh and blood lives? I thought the inheritance/living hope is kept in heaven for them .

Simple answer: Jesus Ransom sacrifice benefit many others to live forever on Earth.

Imagine, I should quote Peter in full, is that how you quote scripture in full?

1 Peter 1:3-4 again "...he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

It's evident from here that it is through the resurrection of Jesus Christ that BELIEVES ARE BORN AGAIN

About 2 Peter 1:4 this is the intro of it

"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, TO THEM that have OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH WITH US through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ KJV

From here, we can see that Peter didn't direct his statement to selected group but INDIVIDUAL who has OBTAINED THE SAME PRECIOUS FAITH LIKE HIS.

The question is, do you obtain a precious faith like that of Peter?

keep lying for your 8 men and demonic organization.

Emusan:
Oponu oniro radarada!

If John was describing were events that HAPPENED IN THE PAST
in relation to Jesus ministry with the Jews then it also means The Jews were already RESURRECTED because it read "And they WERE BORN" When your lying mouth was exposed you have to twist mouth again.

Besides, the basis of verse 12-13 is what you pointed out in that verse 11 "he came to own homeland and his OWN PEOPLE did not receive him" because of this is, verse 12 "But TO AS MANY as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God, CJB

No how you twisted it or the version of the Bible you run to, your lying mouth will keep expose.

It is! Mr lying liar like your father the devil.

Even the CJB you run to still expose your lying mouth.

Are you part of the MANY that did receive him and put your trust in his person and power?

Your logic is Flawed, the Events were in the past, Killing of Jesus was the moment it became obvious that The Jews did not receive him. Book of John written years later was only describing this moment. A Fact you can't refute.

Here is your rebuttal " it also means The Jews were already RESURRECTED because it read "And they WERE BORN"

Shows how little you know. When people are born again, this happened while they are atill alive . Ressurection to Heaven is a RESULT of that process . Which won't happen until Christ presence . 1Cor 15:23 , Are you getting it now ?

The text didn't say they were Ressurected, it only mention the process. They were born. Nothing like Ressurection in the text . You failed woefully Emusan. Don't worry my next point will help you .

This is the ignoramus we do talk about.

ONLY BELIEVERS benefit from Christ RESURRECTION which is what Peter addressed and that makes ALL BELIEVERS TO BE BORN AGAIN.

I see how you dubiously boycotted my point on 1 John. Ole...

Imagine, I should quote Peter in full, is that how you quote scripture in full?

1 Peter 1:3-4 again "...he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,"

It's evident from here that it is through the resurrection of Jesus Christ that BELIEVES ARE BORN AGAIN

About 2 Peter 1:4 this is the intro of it

"Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, TO THEM that have OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH WITH US through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ KJV

From here, we can see that Peter didn't direct his statement to selected group but INDIVIDUAL who has OBTAINED THE SAME PRECIOUS FAITH LIKE HIS.

The question is, do you obtain a precious faith like that of Peter?

keep lying for your 8 men and demonic organization.

Its all right. Lets examine a certain logic

At 1Corinthians 15:23, Ressurection has stages.


" But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence "


According to the above, Only those who belong to Christ will be raised during his presence . This is not a General Ressurection but only for those who belong to Christ. Born agains, whom are bought from the earth. This is known as the first Ressurection. Only for a Selected group. Exposing your lies

Now this is where am going , If ALL BELIEVERS ARE BORN AGAIN, then all believers should be among those who will enjoy this Ressurection right ?

Shockingly , John 5:28,29 mention another Ressurection . This one is a mixture of Righteous and unrighteous persons. In your small head, this righteous ones here are not believers right ?

Let me even ask: if all believers have been ressurected during Christ presence, who are this RiGHTEOUS persons in the General Ressurection ?

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Scripture Text: John3:3

Many people have misconceptions about being born again. ...

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