Image123:

Oh this. Would you like to be born of water and spirit and free from sin?

Janosky:


At the bolded, Yes!
Jesus "the word" is A god to all creatures.
Jesus "the word" is A god /divine @ John 1:1.
Enilove, you haveare confirmed that the Sahidic Coptic Bible, Emphatic Diaglott & NWT have a very accurate rendition of John 1:1.
@ John 1:1, (compare John 14:1 & John 20:17), Jesus is NOT the God his Father.
@ Colossians 1:15," Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Enilove, is the first born of every child still a child?
Romans 11:35-36 & Ephesians 4:6 Yahweh the Father of all created Jesus Christ.
Jesus came through the Father before creation of the universe.
Job 38:1-7 is hard for Trinitarians to digest.



Often in the scriptures, Yahweh gives command.
Any spirit being who obeys Yahweh's command is an angel.
Enilove, John 7:16, 3:16 John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ says he's an angel , obeying Yahweh's command to teach & redeem.

Point of correction:
@ Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew rendition reads:
Jehovah said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand"
Can you see that Jesus Christ (the lord of David @ Psalm 110:1, Ephesians 1:3) has his God & Father in heaven & earth?

Here comes the bombshell:
KJV Translators knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599.
The KJV Translators used the Geneva Bible to translate the KJV in 1611.
The same Textus Receptus manuscript.
Daniel 10:13 Geneva Bible ©1599.

Daniel 10:13
1599 Geneva Bible
"13 But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Enilove, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
JWs are very correct: Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

More proof, Jesus Christ is archangel Michael


Daniel 12:1
1599 Geneva Bible
12 1 Of the deliverance of the Church by Christ.

1 And at that [a]time shall Michael stand up, the great prince, which standeth for the children of thy people, and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there began to be a nation unto that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book.


Footnotes
Daniel 12:1 The Angel here noteth two things: first that the Church shall be in great affliction and trouble at Christ’s coming, and next that God will send his Angel to deliver it, whom here he calleth Michael, meaning Christ, which is published by the preaching of the Gospel."

enilove:

This guy na was for you o . Instead of answering my question you are here babbling .

MaxInDHouse:
You said nothing about your take on the term 'BORN AGAIN' and come to think of it what's your own definition of sin?
Because from my own understanding i was a sinner but presently i'm no more practicing sin!

Image123:


Are there supposed to be different takes on being "born again"? Are you born of water and spirit and free from sin? For instance, do you lie, fornicate, have immoral thoughts, covet, curse etc?

Janosky:


At the bolded, Yes!
Jesus "the word" is A god to all creatures.
Jesus "the word" is A god /divine @ John 1:1.
Enilove, you haveare confirmed that the Sahidic Coptic Bible, Emphatic Diaglott & NWT have a very accurate rendition of John 1:1.
@ John 1:1, (compare John 14:1 & John 20:17), Jesus is NOT the God his Father.
@ Colossians 1:15," Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Enilove, is the first born of every child still a child?
Romans 11:35-36 & Ephesians 4:6 Yahweh the Father of all created Jesus Christ.
Jesus came through the Father before creation of the universe.
Job 38:1-7 is hard for Trinitarians to digest.



Often in the scriptures, Yahweh gives command.
Any spirit being who obeys Yahweh's command is an angel.
Enilove, John 7:16, 3:16 John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ says he's an angel , obeying Yahweh's command to teach & redeem.

Point of correction:
@ Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew rendition reads:
Jehovah said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand"
Can you see that Jesus Christ (the lord of David @ Psalm 110:1, Ephesians 1:3) has his God & Father in heaven & earth?

Here comes the bombshell:
KJV Translators knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599.
The KJV Translators used the Geneva Bible to translate the KJV in 1611.
The same Textus Receptus manuscript.
Daniel 10:13 Geneva Bible ©1599.

Daniel 10:13
1599 Geneva Bible
"13 But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Enilove, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
JWs are very correct: Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

MaxInDHouse:


The underlined!
I often do this in times past but presently i'm no more engaging in any of these!

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom.  And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. 1Corinthians 6:9-11

So if that is what you mean by being BORN AGAIN then Maximus is a Born Again!

enilove:


If there are Hebrews and Greek words for angels , you think the translator of the Bible could not differentiate between those words ?

Image123:

i have no other questions, so far you are not lying that you are now FREE from sin AND that you are born again. i'll advise that you also do away with hypocrisy and pride too. i know and see you displaying those ones on a regular. i rest my case.

MaxInDHouse:
What question again?
Haven't you heard enough from my brothers?
Did any of them disagree that Jesus is not our Master, Lord and King?
You were once a baby and no matter what you become in life you were once an embryo in the womb of a woman to whom you'll ever remain her baby!
Jesus is God's messenger (angel) no matter the position God GAVE him {1Corinthians 15:28} So he will still step down for his father and God after his assignment.
And what position will he continue to hold forever?
The chief of all Messengers of God both man and angels he will ever remain Archangel Michael!

MaxInDHouse:

Hypocrisy and pride is what you see when millions across the globe can testify to the fact that anyone subjecting himself to a teaching that's not of his family background such a person surely is humble and sincere minded!

Anyway you've rest your case as there's nothing to accuse me or any other JW for so stop the name calling (Majamaja) as you have just talked about HYPOCRISY, do unto others what you want them to do to you! Matthew 7:12

May you have PEACE!

enilove:

How can a grown up man remain a babe ? Is that not an abomination ?
As for me , I am no longer a baby to my mother I am her son . Even in Christ Jesus , I am no longer a baby but a son .
But you are the one calling yourself a babe .
When Adam was created , was he created as a baby or as an adult ?
Jesus was never created as a baby by God but as an Almighty God like his Father in heaven.
Since you are a baby Christian I will tell you the Position Jesus holds and will hold for ever; THE POSITION IS THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD HIS FATHER surrounded by Twenty Four Elders and the Spirits of God and Angels bowing to him and his Father with songs :
Revelation 3:21-22 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
[22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Image123:

Lol, i never came here to accuse you. You asked for questions and i asked you. Do you want me to accuse you or ask you questions?
Also, define pride and hypocrisy properly, i read your explanation over there a couple of times and was more confused each time.

MaxInDHouse:


Pride is exalting yourself, while hypocrisy is the habit of hiding what is obvious due to pride!

I always declare that there's nothing i know that i wasn't thought and i'm always ready to compare the source of my knowledge to anyone you can present.

So where is the pride or hypocrisy?

On the other hand you are the one hiding your source of knowledge as if God speaks with you directly like a special person so no traceable school of thought that we can examine.
OK present the members of your church so that we can examine how well they're performing in the society? You won't say anything about that but bent on calling JWs names.

So who is prideful and hypocritical between me and you?

Image123:

You exhibit pride every single post in which you insinuate your denomination as the only true and best denomination. You exhibit hypocrisy by pretending to be respectful and loving when we that know you know that you are only setting a trap for people to buy Awake. i have tried to explain succintly to you.

MaxInDHouse:
Your eagerness to falsify what JWs believe is your problem!

As long as your mom lives, you will always remain her BABY! That's why when any disaster strikes anywhere around the world the first thing that comes to the minds of women is "where is MY BABY?"
The way your mom took care of you from cradle will always be there in her mind, so when people see you as a PRESIDENT or GENERAL your mom still see her little baby that she nursed from infancy.
So stop deceiving yourself!
And as for Jesus he was created the same way God created Adam that's why God's word equate both of them as God's sons! Luke 3:38; John 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 15:45

haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

enilove:


Like I said before , you are the one that will remain a baby to your parents and not me.

How was Adam created ?
He was created from dust . Was Jesus created from dust like Adam ?
Adam was created in the image of God the Father and God the Son . Does that mean Adam was created the way the Father is with all the Glory of God ?
Can Adam give life to nonliving things like Jesus?
Among the creations of God , what did Adam create and which one amongst them was not created by Jesus Christ ?

The fact that Jesus Christ came in the form of man does not mean he is equal to man . And if not equal to man but equal to God , then he is God and not man nor Angel.

Philippians 2:6-11 KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure you don't know what you are saying.

MaxInDHouse:
Adam is your Creator through birth!

It's God who gives the power to each of His creatures to do what they're doing, it's never by their own might! Jesus is powerless without His father's backing {Matthew 27:46} God gave Adam the power to procreate and the power was transferred to other humans through Adam!

So if Jesus does anything the power is not his own but that of the person who made him like a God just as He made Moses before Pharaoh! Exodus 7:1

enilove:

When Jesus died was he able to live again by his own power? Yes . That is a Creator . He created everything by his power.

MaxInDHouse:
God raised Jesus from the dead {Act 2:32} because he fear God! Hebrews 5:7
So he is not the Almighty God as he can't do anything without the person who GAVE him power!
As regards Adam he is your God through whom you came into the world, Yes his son died and he couldn't resurrection his son because he's no more having God's blessings.
When Jesus wanted to resurrect Lazarus, he prayed to the person who empowered him this shows that the power was given to him because he remains obedient to God. If Adam had remained obedient to God he too would have become our father, counselor, doctor and teacher till today!

enilove:

There no reason to continue with someone like you who could call a human being , like himself , his God and creator.

MaxInDHouse:
Then if this is your understanding of being born again then i'm outstandingly born again because i am a beleiver!

Emusan:

That's what the scripture says not me, so if you think you're up to that criteria then you're a born again.

DappaD:
Those who receive the “new birth” from God have their inheritance in the spiritual heavens(1Peter 1:3,4)

since they cannot take their fleshly bodies to heaven(1Corinthians 15:50), they will need to be transformed to become spirit beings(John 3:6)

I strongly believe that those who have this inheritance will number a total of 144,000. Revelation 7:1-3, 14:1-5

The question is, will those whom Jesus said would have their inheritance on earth, need to be born again? Matthew 5:5

If yes, of what use will it be since Revelation 21:3 says that it is mankind(flesh and blood) that will inherit the blessings listed in Revelation 21:4?

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:
OK!
What do you call Jesus who said "I am the way, the truth and the life. NO ONE comes to the father except through me"
Do you think he was prideful in the midst of religious teachers old enough to be his grandpa?

As for setting traps, JWs no more ask for money over magazines. We are asked to give you freely if we notice you're truly interested in reading the article.
Moreover their are magazines and books printed by other churches that's still FOR SALE till now. But you're pretending as if the churches printing such books aren't interested in SELLING it.
So answer my question now, who is HYPOCRITICAL between me and you?

enilove:


When you deliver a message for your father , what are you ?

Do you still remain his son or not ?

Are you his messenger at that particular time or not ?

haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

hupernikao:


We know there are angelic being who by their functions are designed to be messengers and likewise we know that there are messengers (humans) that arent angelic being but can carry out functions as/of messenger.

A messenger is operative to duties at hand whether angels or man
- An angelic being is a creature by purpose and by design
- A man is not angelic being even if he delivers messages.

Jesus was never a malak by creation or by design both in preexistence and forever. Likewise there is no single scripture that presented Jesus as an angelic being.

hupernikao:

Jesus is the name of a man not a spirit and i know you know that the name Jesus wasnt given in preexistence even though the being has a preexistence.
He was called Jesus in humanity, a name given to him depicting his mission, a name given to him in his humanity, hence when you mention the name of Jesus and speaking about spirit, you will be mixing things up. Dont forget that fact that when you say "Jesus" you are referring to a man's name though with a pre-existence.
You cant use a man earthly existence to be explaining his preexistence. The moment you mentioned Jesus, you arent referring again to his preexistence but his humanity

Now, i need you to clear this.
If Jesus is a name given to him in humanity,
1. What was his name in his pre-existence.
2. How was his preexistence explained in the Bible.