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Another Watch-tower contradiction!


Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization, or Charles Taze Russell?

Claim one: Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave: “Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a “faithful and discreet slave” class who would be providing the spiritual food to God’s family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests worldwide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ,” (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).

Claim two: Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave: “Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell’s writings believe that he filled the office of ‘that faithful and wise servant,’ and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).

Claim 3 presented outright denial of Claim two: Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
“From this, it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion’s Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individual, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” He never did claim to be such,” (God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).

How can any sane human put his or her salvation into the hands of ORGANISATION that lies so brazenly and repeatedly?

2dominate:
His only begotten son?
Elaborate on the necessity of this

I purposely included that after checking your profile and knowing you practice my former religion. I know what the Arabs in collaboration with the Jews are trying to propagate regarding Jesus of Nazareth that's why i quickly inserted that to show you that you shouldn't think all the antagonists you're seeing on this thread have anything tangible against me other than their denial of God's ability to organize His true worshipers!

Now back to your question!

God is a spirit (most powerful intelligent invisible beings) so He is supreme. There are many intelligent spirit beings He made before creating the earth, in the Bible this are called "angels", according to the Bible God refer to this creatures as His sons because they are like Him, the first and foremost angel created before all others is His only begotten son!

You yourself know very well that there are lots of INSANES around the world, so count me along with them Sir!

maximunimpact:
Another Watch-tower contradiction!


Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization, or Charles Taze Russell?

Claim one: Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave: “Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a “faithful and discreet slave” class who would be providing the spiritual food to God’s family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests worldwide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ,” (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).

Claim two: Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave: “Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell’s writings believe that he filled the office of ‘that faithful and wise servant,’ and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).

Claim 3 presented outright denial of Claim two: Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
“From this, it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion’s Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individual, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” He never did claim to be such,” (God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).

How can any sane human put his or her salvation into the hands of ORGANISATION that lies so brazenly and repeatedly?

MaxInDHouse:
You yourself know very well that there are lots of INSANES around the world, so count me along with them Sir!

I nolonger need your answers to my posts since you have never answered any!

From now on am just going to focus on contradictory statements from your watch-tower publications

JWs shoots themselves in the leg here

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

maximunimpact:
Why do I need a GROUP when i can go down on my knees in prayer to My God and savior Jesus Christ!

I believe that Jesus died for my sins and through faith in the ransom sacrifice i am saved.

What else does it require?

Imagine JWs as-is is the only way to salvation it will be like asking me to climb the great wall when its obviously impossible to accomplish.

instead of derailing why not straighten this extract from watch-tower spiritual meal:

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

It must be tough giving up your own salvation in the hands of men who speaks from both sides of the mouth

Do you notice a pattern? Anytime they want to contradict themselves they use another arm of their publication. They will make a claim on their watchtower magazine and contradict same in Awake! magazine. These people are clearly taking their blind followers for fools.

Once again you're welcome Sir!

maximunimpact:
I nolonger need your answers to my posts since you have never answered any!
From now on am just going to focus on contradictory statements from your watch-tower publications

maximunimpact:
Another Watch-tower contradiction!


Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization, or Charles Taze Russell?

Claim one: Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave: “Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a “faithful and discreet slave” class who would be providing the spiritual food to God’s family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests worldwide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ,” (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).

Claim two: Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave: “Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell’s writings believe that he filled the office of ‘that faithful and wise servant,’ and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation,” (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).

Claim 3 presented outright denial of Claim two: Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
“From this, it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion’s Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individual, in his person, that “faithful and wise servant.” He never did claim to be such,” (God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).

How can any sane human put his or her salvation into the hands of ORGANISATION that lies so brazenly and repeatedly?

What thing about life is that we can never have shortage of fools and the watchtower authorities know this fact. Even if you present 100 contradictions in their own magazines they won't bulge. Why? Their loyalty is to watchtower organization and never to God. God cannot permit and tolerate brazen and boldfaced lies as always been peddled by the watchtower society.

true2god:
Do you notice a pattern? Anytime they want to contradict themselves they use another arm of their publication. They will make a claim on their watchtower magazine and contradict same in Awake! magazine. These people are clearly taking their blind followers for fools.

Sorry Sir, point of correction.

We made ourselves FOOLS for what we have learned from them!

MaxInDHouse:
You yourself know very well that there are lots of INSANES around the world, so count me along with them Sir!

You don't. Have to count yourself among the insane. You are smarter than this. Don't follow falsehood and lies with so much zeal as you are currently doing.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Sir, point of correction.

We made ourselves FOOLS for what we have learned from them!

How do you view the contradictions in your OWN magazines?

true2god:
What thing about life is that we can never have shortage of fools and the watchtower authorities know this fact. Even if you present 100 contradictions in their own magazines they won't bulge. Why? Their loyalty is to watchtower organization and never to God. God cannot permit and tolerate brazen and boldfaced lies as always been peddled by the watchtower society.

We haven't seen God at any point in time but we have seen the evidence of His presence in their midst {Zechariah 8:23} so whatever orders they give us {1Thessalonians 2:13} we swallow it as what the One we perceive in their midst is passing to us as vital information through them! Hebrews 13:7, 17

I think that should be my own cup of coffee Sir!

true2god:
You don't. Have to count yourself among the insane. You are smarter than this. Don't follow falsehood and lies with so much zeal as you are currently doing.

MaxInDHouse:
I think that should be my own cup of coffee Sir!

How do you view the contradictions in your OWN magazines?

As errors of imperfect humans dealing with an invisible King. Even when this King was on this planet physically his closest confidants never understood everything he told them immediately, they needed time to meditate thoroughly on his teachings before they could get what exactly he's telling them.
So now that he has become an invisible spirit and his earthly representatives can't even see him face to face surely there must be some mistakes in the way they're trying to dispense the info he's passing through them.

But everyone will notice that there is a powerful spirit being organizing this people despite their errors they'll stick together in the same line of thought. Something really strange in the world we're living now!

true2god:
How do you view the contradictions in your OWN magazines?

maximunimpact:
JWs shoots themselves in the leg here

“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).

I used to think that calling governing body members drunkards was an exaggeration but this kind of behavior is not normal.

They know fully well they have made uncountable failed predictions and still went ahead to say anyone making predictions that don't come to pass is evidence they're not sent by God.

Only drunkards will have such selective amnesia

MaxInDHouse:
As errors of imperfect humans dealing with an invisible King. Even when this King was on this planet physically his closest confidants never understood everything he told them immediately, they needed time to meditate thoroughly on his teachings before they could get what exactly he's telling them.
So now that he has become an invisible spirit and his earthly representatives can't even see him face to face surely there must be some mistakes in the way they're trying to dispense the info he's passing through them.

But everyone will notice that there is a powerful spirit being organizing this people despite their errors they'll stick together in the same line of thought. Something really strange in the world we're living now!

I see a pattern here:

When there's no more lies to cover up a previous lie MaxInDHouse and other JWs will blame it on errors made by imperfect humans

At thesame time they claim watchtower is the only channel of spiritual food for God’s people.

Who now prepares the poisoned food?

THEWRITERSMIND:
I used to think that calling governing body members drunkards was an exaggeration but this kind of behavior is not normal.
They know fully well they have made uncountable failed predictions and still went ahead to say anyone making predictions that don't come to pass is evidence they're not sent by God.
Only drunkards will have such selective amnesia

That's why i told my friends here that they shouldn't worry over what we (JWs) beleive (trust) because alcohoic beverages is no crime in our midst so if anyone says we are drunkards it's part of what our brothers in the first century experienced! Act 2:13

maximunimpact:
I see a pattern here:
When there's no more lies to cover up a previous lie MaxInDHouse and other JWs will blame it on errors made by imperfect humans
At thesame time they claim watchtower is the only channel of spiritual food for God’s people.
Who now prepares the poisoned food?

Poison?

Well if you say so, because poison is supposed to kill (silence) those who take it but in this case those eating from the table of the Watchtower are bouncing around the world zealously while all you people are SILENT regarding the Churches you worship with!

MaxInDHouse:
That's why i told my friends here that they shouldn't worry over what we (JWs) beleive (trust) because alcohoic beverages is no crime in our midst so if anyone says we are drunkards it's part of what our brothers in the first century experienced! Act 2:13

But evidently the alcohol is impacting negatively on your spiritual meal

You can say that again!

THEWRITERSMIND:
But evidently the alcohol is impacting negatively on your spiritual meal

Walahi Talahi Maximus is a trouble maker!

MaxInDHouse:
Poison?

Well if you say so, because poison is supposed to kill (silence) those who take it but in this case those eating from the table of the Watchtower are bouncing around the world zealously while all you people are SILENT regarding the Churches you worship with!

Spiritual poison kills Spiritually, you maybe walking but you are dead in the spirit.

Of course!
Dead while speaking and quoting God's word to defend their faith throughout the world, shey?

If that's what spiritual death means to you well i'll prefer such death Sir, as long as it makes me different from you!

maximunimpact:
Spiritual poison kills Spiritually, you maybe walking but you are dead in the spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course!
Dead while speaking and quoting God's word to defend their faith throughout the world, shey?

If that's what spiritual death means to you well i'll prefer such death Sir, as long as it makes me different from you!

You are not quoting bible, you are reading from watchtower or is watchtower equal to Bible now?

This is really strange walahi talahi!

I won't say you're lying, you're àgbàlagbà and i respect Elders a lot remember that's how those taking the lead among us are called.

But please can you quote a post where i quote just a sentence from the Watchtower throughout this thread. Because to the best of my knowledge you're the one who's been quoting the Watchtower from your first post o!

maximunimpact:
You are not quoting bible, you are reading from watchtower or is watchtower equal to Bible now?

Janosky:
JohnW Half truth

The Bible truth is
John 17:6-7 " Father they were yours & you gave them to me"

Acts 15:14, Simon Peter says they are chosen to bear Jehovah's name.

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:


oh duh fraud jw janosky, you don't understand any scriptures at all, and how could you without the Holy Spirit living in you
and day after day you love to twist them to suit your false doctrines

onoma/name, like many words has diffrent meanings depending on where it is used
onoma/name, can mean a literal name, and it can mean the character of a person

people didn't see that Jesus was off the Father because of the Father's literal name, oh duh
people saw that Jesus was off the Father because He manifested the same character and authority of Father God
Jesus is the same image/likeness/character of the Father

^^ nothing difficult there for a christian to understand, but for a twister there is never ending confusion

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 17:6  I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 
Joh 17:7  Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee


name
onoma
on'-om-ah
a name (literally or figuratively), (authority, character)

Janosky: Isaiah 43:10-12, Jehovah says His chosen servants are Jehovah's Witnesses.

God said israel are my witnesses, my servants, however israel was never called jehovah's witnesses, oh adder to God's word

Isa 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. 
Isa 43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Janosky: Final Verdict :
The titles,
the Church of God
the Church of Jesus Christ
the body of Christ, is the same people
@ Acts 15:14 & Isaiah 43:10-12, chosen to bear Jehovah's name- Jehovah's Witnesses, their real name approved by Jehovah God.
2 Chronicles 7:14

fraud jw just repeating your same confusion over again,
with much laughter of the fool

MaxInDHouse:
Please i'll like to see the publication of JWs in which a DATE is specifically mentioned?

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PARACLETOS:
Let me bring this one here... There are hundreds of such foolish predictions abound by the WatchTower.

Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will remark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews chapter eleven, to the condition of human perfection" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, page 90)

This God's "ONLY TRUE ORGANIZATION" made this blasphemous prediction and so many other ones I will bring up later on.

I will CREATE A THREAD FOR THE NUMEROUS FALSE AND BLASPHEMOUS PREDICTIONS OF THE FALSE WITNESSES OF JEHOVAH

PARACLETOS:
Is obvious you have a limited idea of what you are defending.

Hundreds of WatchTower and Awake publications specifically fixes DATES AND YEARS FOR WORLD EVENTS.

Please I will not continue again until you finish studying MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE

MaxInDHouse:






Do you know i didn't get his question not until johnw47 told me what exactly he meant!

confused false jw mad max

it's clear from your posts that you and blinded fraud jw janosky don't understand much of what anyone means
just like it's clear you don't understand much of what God's word means

1cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

2 cor 4:4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them.

MaxInDHouse:
This is really strange walahi talahi!

I won't say you're lying, you're àgbàlagbà and i respect Elders a lot remember that's how those taking the lead among us are called.

But please can you quote a post where i quote just a sentence from the Watchtower throughout this thread. Because to the best of my knowledge you're the one who's been quoting the Watchtower from your first post o!

Here we go again with publish evidence

Don't worry the evidence will soon be published

Good morning!

In the next topic we will discuss on God's attributes but first let's talk about His predominant quality LOVE!

The Bible says:

Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. 1John 4:8

But this is the same God who destroyed millions of people in Noah's day with flood!

Is He the same person who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire?

Is He the same person who destroyed Pharaoh and his armies in the red sea?

Is He that same person who destroyed some Israelites making the ground to swallow them?

So how can a believer convince faithless people that LOVE is the predominant attribute of this same God?

Please let's reason together just as He Himself invites us! Isaiah 1:18

Good morning once again you're welcome!

MaxInDHouse:
Good morning!

In the next topic we will discuss on God's attributes but first let's talk about His predominant quality LOVE!

The Bible says:

Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. 1John 4:8

But this is the same God who destroyed millions of people in Noah's day with flood!

Is He the same person who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire?

Is He the same person who destroyed Pharaoh and his armies in the red sea?

Is He that same person who destroyed some Israelites making the ground to swallow them?

So how can a believer convince faithless people that LOVE is the predominant attribute of this same God?

Please let's reason together just as He Himself invites us! Isaiah 1:18

Good morning once again you're welcome!

Here's the next topic Mr publish evidence

Watchtower claims to be the only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.


Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,'” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).

The Vatican is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).

Let's discuss this house