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maximunimpact:
You are not quoting bible, you are reading from watchtower or is watchtower equal to Bible now?

maximunimpact:
Here's the next topic Mr publish evidence

Watchtower claims to be the only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.


Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,'” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981)

The Vatican is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).

Let's discuss this house

MaxInDHouse:
Now who is QUOTING the Watchtower?

maximunimpact:
I just published your evidence and you got confused again

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for vindicating me with proof that you're the one quoting the Watchtower!

MaxInDHouse:
In the beginning it is LOVE that moved Jehovah to start the work of creation so He is always happy seeing the works of His hand {Job 14:15} therefore the only thing that gladdens His heart is when we are also happy just like Him {1Timothy 1:11} anything that will diminish our joy and bliss is surely a matter of great concern to JEHOVAH! Isaiah 1:18

Jehovah created so many things both living and nonliving, in heaven there are angels who look just like Him, they are spirit creatures and highly intelligent beings. On planet earth God made so many other creatures and created just one in His own likeness. While all others live on instinct God's image (man) was endowed with the ability to think, plan, make, build, entertain themselves and go for recreation unlike other creatures.
Jehovah truly love the works of His hands and glorify Himself in everything so when any of His sons (whether spirit or human) choose to take the path that will cause himself pain Jehovah will not be happy with such development {Genesis 6:6} WHY? Because that will lead to pain and anguish on the path of such a child and it will surely affect others around him in a negative way.
But instead of hastily exterminating such a child jehovah knew our making and what could diminish our joy so he will first sound the warning so that we do not thread on such a path! Genesis 2:17
Sadly majority of God's earthly children trusted in their own understanding {Proverbs 3:5-6} and this has led to many pain in all the corners of the earth. Now what would a bully do in such a case? Of course quickly destroy the wicked children, but JEHOVAH is not Like that, He will first allow time to justify His right to set standards. Jehovah will let the erring ones see for themselves the consequences of the path they chose.
How is He doing this?
To be continued.....

MaxInDHouse:
Today the world is filled with trouble to the extent that humans are no more safe in their own domain!
We have built houses and iron bars with high fences and iron gates, even the main entrance into our fine houses are made with steel not because we are caged by some higher powers or aliens from outer space, nor are we doing this to prevent wild beasts but because we're not safe in the hands of our neighbours that we're seeing everyday!
If we are to live in the forest away from neighbours that will put us at risk in the midst of wild beasts so we have to live in fear each day in the midst of our own race as in tribe but in fear!
We can't walk freely in the dark not because of some horrible looking ghost (demons) but out of fear for the same people we often see in the day. And now even during the day we're not safe in a quiet neighbourhood, if you are taking a walk in a quiet area you'll become suspicious of anyone approaching most especially a human like yourself (not even a beast)
So we've gotten enough evidence that humans can't do without guidance from God! Jeremiah 10:23

Jehovah has set a date in His own jurisdiction to end all these because it doesn't glorify Him. Revelations 11:18

So how has He been rendering judgment in the past and where is the love in His judicial decisions?
To be continued....

maximunimpact:
Watchtower claims to be the only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.

Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,'” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981)

The Vatican is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).

To be continued.....

MaxInDHouse:
Hairyrapunzel!

MaxInDHouse:
Hairyrapunzel!

THEWRITERSMIND:
Maximunimpact finally made MaxInDHouse speak in tongues...
Max sets new record as first JWs member to speak in tongues

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus and his use of illustrations!

The rich man (faithless religionists) begged father Abraham (God) to send Lazarus (JWs) to cool his thirst (yearning) with a drop of water with Lazarus's fingertips (response)
God (father Abraham) told the rich man (faithless religionists) that there is a great chasm (unimaginable difference) between them so no one (doctrines) can cross from one side to the other!

So between faithless religionists and JWs there will never be any agreement, hence they are always exited to hear something from JWs!

What a pity!

maximunimpact:
Is that why you spoke in tongues?
Who told you am faithless religionist?
I am a Christian who believes in Jesus so your illustration doesn't relate at all just like watch tower always misfiring to cover up more lies.
Nice try but you've got to try harder than this

MaxInDHouse:

maximunimpact:
Yeap, seriously like a religion who speaks from both sides of the mouth below:

Watchtower claims to be the only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.

Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ organization,'” (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981)

The Vatican is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:

“The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible,” (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).

MaxInDHouse:
I purposely included that after checking your profile and knowing you practice my former religion. I know what the Arabs in collaboration with the Jews are trying to propagate regarding Jesus of Nazareth that's why i quickly inserted that to show you that you shouldn't think all the antagonists you're seeing on this thread have anything tangible against me other than their denial of God's ability to organize His true worshipers!

Now back to your question!

God is a spirit (most powerful intelligent invisible beings) so He is supreme. There are many intelligent spirit beings He made before creating the earth, in the Bible this are called "angels", according to the Bible God refer to this creatures as His sons because they are like Him, the first and foremost angel created before all others is His only begotten son!

MaxInDHouse:
Today the world is filled with trouble to the extent that humans are no more safe in their own domain!
We have built houses and iron bars with high fences and iron gates, even the main entrance into our fine houses are made with steel not because we are caged by some higher powers or aliens from outer space, nor are we doing this to prevent wild beasts but because we're not safe in the hands of our neighbours that we're seeing everyday!
If we are to live in the forest away from neighbours that will put us at risk in the midst of wild beasts so we have to live in fear each day in the midst of our own race as in tribe but in fear!
We can't walk freely in the dark not because of some horrible looking ghost (demons) but out of fear for the same people we often see in the day. And now even during the day we're not safe in a quiet neighbourhood, if you are taking a walk in a quiet area you'll become suspicious of anyone approaching most especially a human like yourself (not even a beast)
So we've gotten enough evidence that humans can't do without guidance from God! Jeremiah 10:23

Jehovah has set a date in His own jurisdiction to end all these because it doesn't glorify Him. Revelations 11:18

So how has He been rendering judgment in the past and where is the love in His judicial decisions?
To be continued....

2dominate:
Wow so you were a Muslim, that's interesting to know.
If i may ask what made become a member of the JW community

So his only begotten son was created, that means you believe jesus is different from God right.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Jesus is totally different from God who sent him.

As for the reason why i became one of JWs well that's a long story but let's me summarize it by saying i was searching for the one and only group worshiping the true God.

I believe that God is one so if God is one then those worshiping Him must worship Him in the same way {John 4:24} and in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Jesus is totally different from God who sent him.

As for the reason why i became one of JWs well that's a long story but let's me summarize it by saying i was searching for the one and only group worshiping the true God.

I believe that God is one so if God is one then those worshiping Him must worship Him in the same way {John 4:24} and in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Jesus is totally different from God who sent him.

As for the reason why i became one of JWs well that's a long story but let's me summarize it by saying i was searching for the one and only group worshiping the true God.

I believe that God is one so if God is one then those worshiping Him must worship Him in the same way {John 4:24} and in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

2dominate:
Wow this is making more sense than those that claim 3 is 1 and Vice versa
And also the muslims believe in the ones of God

MaxInDHouse:
I so much love Islam not because i was born in the religion because it makes perfect sense to me while i was growing. No matter the situation i find myself as a teenager back then nothing can make me follow them to church because everything this people does irritates me.
©They can't worship in the same place.
©They're always disturbing both day and night
©They say their God is three in one and you must beleive (trust) such saying or you'll go to Hellfire.
And so many nonsense and ingredients.
So i was contented with Islam not until i began noticing contradictions in Islam as well!
Then i want to know which of the various sects in Islam is practicing true Islam. I don't want to judge the Christians then cover the same thing in Islam. But to my shocking surprise Islam is even was!
Because there is no unique standard for morals as each person can just develop his own and what brings us all together is the five pillars. I concluded that the so called five pillars is just like the TRINITY in Christianity that brought different sects together under the same roof.

I began contemplating atheism but before i settled for ATHEISM i decided to talk to God on my own so one faithful day i prayed without using any name peculiar to any sect i just called God and said:

"i've heard from so many people that you're real and i want to believe so, but can you just give me a sign or just anything to prove that you're hearing me right now? I'll give you few days and if i find no response i'll believe you're just a myth"

And that was it.

The very next thing i keep seeing are JWs coming to disturb me even while i'm trying to quickly do chop and clean mouth for some yanriyan in my neighborhood!

This people kept coming even when i'm in my place of work where i sell things as a salesboy!

I remember a day i was trying to remove the bra of a girl who was struggling with me saying we should wait until we're married before i can just lick her nipples, then there was a knock on my door!
I was so annoyed that i had to slam the door at the JW who wanted to start talking when i opened to see who the hell has come to disturb my hunting!

Then i told the girl to go but then she noticed a sudden change in my mood, now she's ready to give me all her body but the feelings is no more there. I drove her out of my room with anger and begin meditating what i should do to this so called JWs when they come around next time. But then i remembered my prayer!
Because right from my birth till the day i prayed i never noticed this people. So i asked "God do this good for nothing people has anything to do with my last prayer"

So i decided to listen when next they're around. When they came not more than five days later i never listened to all that the young lady was saying, i just go straight to my question. "Are we all worshiping the same God?" I noticed she hesitate to answer so i told her i'm not going to be annoyed all i want is the truth. Then she uttered for the first time since i was born that we are not worshiping the same God!

And that's it! One thing led to another and i began studying with them until i started changing little by little till i decided to become one of them!

maximunimpact:
JWs shoots themselves in the leg here
^{“Jehovah God is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!” (Watchtower, 1997 May 1, pg. 8 ).}

a self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning – yes, their own fleshly thinking!

"October, 1914, will witness the full end of Babylon, "as a great millstone cast into the sea," utterly destroyed as a system." Watch Tower 1911 Jun 15 p.190 reprints p.4842

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only (Matthew 24:36)

Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming (verse 42)

MaxInDHouse:
I so much love Islam not because i was born in the religion because it makes perfect sense to me while i was growing. No matter the situation i find myself as a teenager back then nothing can make me follow them to church because everything this people does irritates me.
©They can't worship in the same place.
©They're always disturbing both day and night
©They say their God is three in one and you must beleive (trust) such saying or you'll go to Hellfire.
And so many nonsense and ingredients.
So i was contented with Islam not until i began noticing contradictions in Islam as well!
Then i want to know which of the various sects in Islam is practicing true Islam. I don't want to judge the Christians then cover the same thing in Islam. But to my shocking surprise Islam is even worse!
Because there is no unique standard for morals as each person can just develop his own and what brings us all together is the five pillars. I concluded that the so called five pillars is just like the TRINITY in Christianity that brought different sects together under the same roof.

I began contemplating atheism but before i settled for ATHEISM i decided to talk to God on my own so one faithful day i prayed without using any name peculiar to any sect i just called God and said:

"i've heard from so many people that you're real and i want to believe so, but can you just give me a sign or just anything to prove that you're hearing me right now? I'll give you few days and if i find no response i'll believe you're just a myth"

And that was it.

The very next thing i keep seeing are JWs coming to disturb me even while i'm trying to quickly do chop and clean mouth for some yanriyan in my neighborhood!

This people kept coming even when i'm in my place of work where i sell things as a salesboy!

I remember a day i was trying to remove the bra of a girl who was struggling with me saying we should wait until we're married before i can just lick her nipples, then there was a knock on my door!
I was so annoyed that i had to slam the door at the JW who wanted to start talking when i opened to see who the hell has come to disturb my hunting!

Then i told the girl to go but then she noticed a sudden change in my mood, now she's ready to give me all her body but the feelings is no more there. I drove her out of my room with anger and begin meditating what i should do to this so called JWs when they come around next time. But then i remembered my prayer!
Because right from my birth till the day i prayed i never noticed this people. So i asked "God do this good for nothing people has anything to do with my last prayer"

So i decided to listen when next they're around. When they came not more than five days later i never listened to all that the young lady was saying, i just go straight to my question. "Are we all worshiping the same God?" I noticed she hesitate to answer so i told her i'm not going to be annoyed all i want is the truth. Then she uttered for the first time since i was born that we are not worshiping the same God!

And that's it! One thing led to another and i began studying with them until i started changing little by little till i decided to become one of them!

2dominate:
Hum, very deep.
I will like to say you were not convinced of the truthfulness of islam, you prayed to God right, but the whole issue of Jesus from the Christian point of view contradicts the attributes of total justice and mercy of God.
I would like to recommend some books and a website where you can get those books from if you don't mind.

MaxInDHouse:
I have read lots and lots of books about religion my friend, i've come to discover that you only accept what the authors penned down when it soothes your mindset. But it's when you're able to convince your audience one on one that proves you truly understand what you claim to believe.
The author of such books will not be present when i want to ask questions regarding what is written in the book, will be?
So if you believe the book please go and read it then prepare to discuss with me because i'm going to ask questions the same way i did when the JWs came with their Bibles and publications.

2dominate:
Quite true
But i will be available for any of your questions

Splinz:
Hmm. This one is called in football parlance as "own goal". Quite an interesting one. Going by this admission by Watchtower itself, JWs is seeing that their signs and predictions is always frustrated and bring to nothing by God.

For example, this: So we may ask: Has Babylon and its system been destroyed? Is that system not waxing even stronger and stronger instead?

Whilst about one-third of the Bible is prophecy, however, there's no prophecy that details the "date" nor "hour" of the end of this present age. Instead, what is found in the scriptures are clues or signs suggesting that the end is near. Now, the big difference between the scriptures and JWs false predictions or prophecies is that the latter has repeatedly, actually, arrogantly churned out dates that major events like Jesus second coming and the end of this present age will take place, something that Jesus Himself said: He further added: We may ask again: From who is JWs getting their predictions from? Whose inspiration if not from the father of lies, who speaks his native language? (John 8:44). Why will Watchtower arrogate to itself the knowledge of which only the Almighty possessed?

So it is very clear that JWs by their own admission and clear scriptures, is not of God but a group founded by Charles Taze Russell to propagate his lies and penchant for false prophecies.

MaxInDHouse:
Before going into any book i'll like to know your views about ONE God!

Will God accept contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all in His name?

maximunimpact:
Own goal indeed

The funny part is that no need for too much stress arguing with JWs because they made the work so simple

Their publications argue for and against themselves