₦airaland Forum

achorladey:
What he and anyone choose to address on this platform is within his jurisdiction and power to do. You don't have to dictate to him what he decides to do. You didn't set the rules here. You once state there are no rules here only to comeback to agitate rules must be followed when you were cornered on this same thread.

MaxInDHouse:
Well you're not informed so i can't blame you!

What do you think is the root curse of WARS if not POLITICS?

Sorry i've forgotten that i'm chatting with a novice in the secret affairs of the state!

true2god:
He want to appoint himself the ’governing body’ of Nairaland. Kole werk! We will be the one to disfellowship him.

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue deceiving yourself but i will answer for the benefit of honest hearted and sincere followers of my thread.

God himself provided rules regarding situations where a person accidentally kill his fellow man so people can kill people by mistake.
But when all the elders of one community decided to send their youths to go and exterminate the inhabitants of another community then Satan is behind the scene so let none of them pray in Jesus name before carrying out such a thing.
Meanwhile a person can hate his fellowman and secretly kill him due to selfish cravings but note the point of emphasis is not about one man who is possessed by a demon to kill his fellowman. But a whole bunch of beleivers setting out with weapons and going with the intention of killing people like themselves who are also believers in the same God!

Abeg that's totally different from just one man of course we will all condemn a killer and agree that he has been possessed by a demon not when a whole community carries weapons and praying in Jesus name!

Sorry you don't understand what i'm saying!

Kingsnairaland:
thank God they quit politics so that we won't have any of them in the government house talking rubbish to people there lololololol

MaxInDHouse:
Great!

MaxInDHouse:
So you now understand what is happening!

MaxInDHouse:
God's Organization is always pointing out the evil Satan's organization is committing in God's name.

MaxInDHouse:
Take for instance, you are a member of the RCCG and you're a Nigerian, and another member of the same religion is a Ghanaian, now their comes up issues between those handling the political affairs of Nigeria and that of Ghana. Pastors in the same church will bless the weapons of war and off you go to kill your fellow believers in Ghana after praying in Jesus name! 2Timothy 3:5

MaxInDHouse:
May such never happen to God's children! John 13:34-35

true2god:
He want to appoint himself the ’governing body’ of Nairaland. Kole werk! We will be the one to disfellowship him.

achorladey:
See as you corner all of it again into REASONABLE and NOT REASONABLE.

You should understand by now when you say "reasonable" it means words or comments that dance to your tune. E.g when you had a discussion with me about the the word "Christian" and you keep saying it is bastardised and a cursed name and I kept showing you in the scripture where you are told to suffer bearing the name CHRISTIAN you were rejoicing in the fact that the name was bastardised and cursed. Even saying Jehovah cursed that name . Everything I said was UNREASONABLE even the scripture cited was UNREASONABLE

Jesus sent his followers out and they brought the report of their activities back to him

They brought their report back is different from Jesus asked them to submit their report. Those reports were not in hours or figures regulated by some men up till the extent of saying just
15 minutes or notify your overseer that you preached this month. It is worthy enough to be counted as ACTIVE in Field ministry and by extension an active Christian

JWs he will know the district that needs help in the preaching and teaching program that's how JWs are doing not SACKING people who are supposed to be God's workers not Papa's workers!
What happens to your members in the pioneering and full-time work in your midst when they don't meet the quota they are given?
I await the response

maximunimpact:

Yes am novice in state affairs
And you are a pro in state affairs
So who's the politician now

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for bringing this back to lamplight!
The group name "Christians" wasn't the name God chose to call His worshipers. It was onlookers in Antioch that decided to call the followers of the Nazarene who claimed he is the Christ by that group name.
Now when they heard it the disciples welcome it with Joy at least People around calling them Jewish confusionists (as the religious leaders of the first century labelled Jesus' followers) can now call them by group name identified with their teacher Jesus CHRIST!
The divine name God calls all His worshipers from Abel till today is "Jehovah's Witnesses" Hebrews 12:1 compare to Isaiah 43:10-12



Of course Jesus needed to hear from them how joyous the ministry has made them, so our report is not just about demands but the joy each disciple derive from going out in the ministry. Thank God you've been with us in the past. You will remember that someone who is not turning out his/her report will be regarded as "inactive" and such a person will be visited to know why he/she is no more active because the ministry supposed to be a thing of joy that all members should love to participate in doing it.


There are members of the organization who joyfully volunteered to serve as regular pioneers (spending longer time in the ministry) the Organization cherishes them most because these are the ones doing the greatest work in our midst and we appreciate them as the most joyous among Jehovah's people.
So whenever any of them is no more meeting up with the self imposed obligation brothers are sent to help them spiritually (give them words of encouragement using the scriptures) yet if they're not meeting up they will be advised to drop the pioneering work since it's self imposed.
Now this totally differs from what Papa did because those sacked depends on their earnings which they're not trained to manage unlike JW pioneers who knows that they're not supposed to bear more burden like having children to cater for. The sacked pastors will have children who must be catered for by Papa's ministry. So they need to earn for Papa's ministry to live that life others are living but JW pioneers don't live like others in fact they minimise their expenditure to the lowest minimum!

true2god:
This is not an admission that you understood what the guy was talking about. In case you want to divert, in your classic JW style, the guy said that you guy has given other Christian sect bad names like ‘apostates’, ‘mentally ill’, ‘harlot’ and ‘the great beast’. You have not addressed why your organizations has officially decide to give other Christian sects bad names and at the same time shout ‘Persecuted’. We have what we call ‘Religious Freedom’ in a secular democracy. You have no right calling other people who disagree with you bad names. This is evil and hypocrisy.
You are the one who is lying or failed to understand the points the guy was making. I know you understood him but you have to play the JW games on him.
It is good to point out evil but you have no right calling me ‘mentally ill’, ‘apostates’, ‘harlot’, and other derogatory names, for my believe in the Trinity, the Holy Spirit as a person (and not an active force) and Yeshua as divine (as not an angel). Your organization call them bad names for holding onto these believes, which even your founding fathers (including Jaze Taze Russel) accepted as ‘Bible Truth’.
You are diverting bro! You are not dealing with kids here. You are creating a hypothetical and utopian scenario to drive home an irrational argument. Mind you, the world is not made up of JWs and ‘other Christians’. We have Muslims, Buddhist, African traditional religionists, Christians, etc in every country and in every sector of their lives. You are making a very dumb argument by rehearsing watchtower’s talking points.
You said RCCG pastors will bless weapon of war in both countries if there is a hypothetical war between Nigeria and Ghana? Show me a single instance where an RCCG, Deeperlife, Assemblies of God, Hose on the Rock, etc pastor bless a weapon of war.
Mind you the watchtower organization in Germany, during the Nazi regime, showed active support to the third Reich. Read your hidden history. Google watchtower and the third Reich.
You have been thoroughly brainwashed bro!

MaxInDHouse:
Just like Apostle Paul who was a politician and actively KILLING whoever tries to sabotage the plan of the Jewish community in their fight against Rome. YES i WAS once into politics though not fully part of the game players but well versed in their activities.
But today i have RESIGNED my appointment with them that's why i'm telling you that you're threading on a very dangerous path.
Forget about JWs your life is in danger once the politicians notice that you have interest in what they're doing!

MaxInDHouse:
Just like Apostle Paul who was a politician and actively KILLING whoever tries to sabotage the plan of the Jewish community in their fight against Rome. YES i WAS once into politics though not fully part of the game players but well versed in their activities.
But today i have RESIGNED my appointment with them that's why i'm telling you that you're threading on a very dangerous path.
Forget about JWs your life is in danger once the politicians notice that you have interest in what they're doing!

achorladey:
No wonder .......not fully part of the game players

The little game you play using politics is enough for you to see yourself as AUTHORITY in politics

Ok!

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for bringing this back to lamplight!

MaxInDHouse:
The group name "Christians" wasn't the name God chose to call His worshipers. It was onlookers in Antioch that decided to call the followers of the Nazarene who claimed he is the Christ by that group name.

MaxInDHouse:
Now when they heard it the disciples welcome it with Joy at least People around calling them Jewish confusionists (as the religious leaders of the first century labelled Jesus' followers) can now call them by group name identified with their teacher Jesus CHRIST!

MaxInDHouse:
The divine name God calls all His worshipers from Abel till today is "Jehovah's Witnesses" Hebrews 12:1 compare to Isaiah 43:10-12

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Jesus needed to hear from them how joyous the ministry has made them, so our report is not just about demands but the joy each disciple derive from going out in the ministry. Thank God you've been with us in the past. You will remember that someone who is not turning out his/her report will be regarded as "inactive" and such a person will be visited to know why he/she is no more active because the ministry supposed to be a thing of joy that all members should love to participate in doing it.

MaxInDHouse:
There are members of the organization who joyfully volunteered to serve as regular pioneers (spending longer time in the ministry) the Organization cherishes them most because these are the ones doing the greatest work in our midst and we appreciate them as the most joyous among Jehovah's people.

MaxInDHouse:
So whenever any of them is no more meeting up with the self imposed obligation brothers are sent to help them spiritually (give them words of encouragement using the scriptures) yet if they're not meeting up they will be advised to drop the pioneering work since it's self imposed.

MaxInDHouse:
Now this totally differs from what Papa did because those sacked depends on their earnings which they're not trained to manage unlike JW pioneers who knows that they're not supposed to bear more burden like having children to cater for. The sacked pastors will have children who must be catered for by Papa's ministry. So they need to earn for Papa's ministry to live that life others are living but JW pioneers don't live like others in fact they minimise their expenditure to the lowest minimum!

MaxInDHouse:
Great!

So you now understand what is happening!

God's Organization is always pointing out the evil Satan's organization is committing in God's name.
Take for instance, you are a member of the RCCG and you're a Nigerian, and another member of the same religion is a Ghanaian, now their comes up issues between those handling the political affairs of Nigeria and that of Ghana. Pastors in the same church will bless the weapons of war and off you go to kill your fellow believers in Ghana after praying in Jesus name! 2Timothy 3:5

May such never happen to God's children! John 13:34-35

true2god:
Even if it explained to you 50times you would rather hold onto the watchtower narrative instead of independently looking into the scripture.

So you mean it is wrong to address the followers of Christ ‘Christians’ because it was onlookers that gave them the name. You are a Nigerian (if I am right), who gave the name ‘Nigerian’? If my mother call me ‘True2god’ and I have been known with that name for 2000 years, do you mean it is not acceptable before God because God didn’t inspire my mother to name me such? Think and think bro!

What is wrong with people calling you a name that can be identified with your leader? Show me where God condemned the name ‘Christian’ in the Bible.

The divine name of God is not Jehovah. The Jews never called God Jehovah in their over 4000 years of existence. Show me a single Jewish source (either the Torah or the Talmud) where they call God Jehovah. The Jews don’t have letter ‘J’ in their alphabet so your organization is ignorant of what they are pushing out as ‘Bible Truth’. The tetragrammaton (YHWH) has no letter ‘J’.

Jesus didn’t command his disciples to go out and be selling books to the public, or seeking for ‘voluntary donation’. Show me, from the Bible, where the disciples were selling books and soliciting for financial assistance while preaching to the people. Show me where they were writing down their preaching activities and hours spent on the field and same given to Jesus for appraisal.

Let me shock you, I have seen many JWs visit me drunk. Did Jesus ask him disciples to drink whisky before going for preaching work?

Most of them, especially in Nigeria, ended up poor and in debt.

It is not self-imposed because your organization passively forced them into the field with an utopian promise to escape the coming armaggedon. Most of them regret their poor decision at old age and I pray you won’t be a victim.

Irrelevant and diversionary.

achorladey:
Now you want to discuss the name again.
Which name are we to bear and suffer according to the first "governing body member" of Jehovah's organization aka Mr Peter aka deputy Jesus

Which name was it that that your current religious leaders say you should bear that shows you are a TRUE FOLLOWER of CHRIST?

What is the cursed bastardised and name given by confusionist doing in your books and correspondence since it is not the Divine name given by JEHOVAH
Finally......
After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians
Where and how does the word DIVINE PROVIDENCE get into the NWT.
Will you agree the name CHRISTIAN is a divine name as supported from the NWT you carry?

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you want to talk but i'll reserve my comments for the one to whom that post was addressed. However i'll tell you the meaning of what i said about Christendom Churches and Wars!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you have military men serving presently as members of the aforementioned chuches? If you have them, then think about who each person will first go to for blessings before going to the battle front. Then you will get a clearer picture of what you're trying to argue about!

MaxInDHouse:
Meanwhile Adolf Hitler vowed to eradicate the name of Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany because while all other Orthodox Churches were pledging their allegiance to the state and hailing Hitler, Jehovah's Witnesses wants to be neutral thinking they'll have to kill their fellow JWs in the countries Hitler will send them to!. That's why he was killing God's people back then!

THEWRITERSMIND:
Understand what exactly
You are talking rubbish obviously thinking the fight is JWs vs other religions, Lols
I have seen more than 100 proof here that have underscored your organization as chronic liars.
It has always been Good vs Evil and never Organization vs Organizations

THEWRITERSMIND:
Understand what exactly

You are talking rubbish obviously thinking the fight is JWs vs other religions, Lols

I have seen more than 100 proof here that have underscored your organization as chronic liars.

It has always been Good vs Evil and never Organization vs Organizations

true2god:
Why did watchtower call others ‘mentally ill’, ‘apostates’, ‘Harlots’ etc if they believe in religious freedom? Why is the watchtower organization not attacking Islam?

Gideon, Joshua, David, Samson, etc were all sent by God and were military men. Jesus healed the centurion’s (a colonel) daughter and never asked him to resign his job as a solider. What’s your point?

Read this book and clear your ignorant (Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich : Sectarian Politics under Persecution
by M. James Penton)

MaxInDHouse:
I know you want to talk but i only address honest hearted and sincere people! So continue licking until i found someone who truly want to learn!

MaxInDHouse:
Back in the first century the disciples never had any group name so most people who don't know their leader get confused whenever they see Jews practicing Judaism attacking Jesus' disciples. So they don't bear any different name than Jews until the inhabitants of Antioch who knew their leader began calling them "Christians" and since it makes them feel happy that they're now identified with Christ they welcomed the new development!


Since the first century there has been so many atrocities committed with that group name because Satan's agents planted also bear the same name {Matthew 13:25} so after Jesus returned in the year 1914 he began working on the group of restructure it, instantly Satan began fighting against them again just as he did in the first century so two years after Jesus began restructuring his group Satan instigated his Organization (politicians) to imprisoned then in the year 1916. But three years later Jesus released them and spontaneously they began preaching and teaching throughout the globe right from 1919 until Covid19 stopped it exactly 100 years later.
But after they began preaching and teaching in 1919 Jehovah declared the divine name upon His servants 12 years later {Isaiah 65:15} and from 1931 we began bearing the name that separate us from all others till now!


Divine providence doesn't mean that's the name Jehovah appointed but it was to be temporary since there is going to be a separation when Jesus return to see how well his group are doing! Luke 18:8

So JEHOVAH allowed His servants to bear that group name until after Satan's agents have soiled it in the blood of innocent people. Then the name became a curse that's why many of you don't even respect that name when you here someone say "i'm a Christian" despite you also claiming Christian you will just take it as something common.
But let me get to any part of this planet and mentioned the blessed name my brother will lip up with joy as if they've known me for ages.
All these you won't understand because faith is not a possession of all kinds of people! {2Thessalonians 3:2} just know that JWs use that name Christian in our books to remind us of how our first century brothers were called but if we are to address ourselves today with LOVE JOY and PEACE the divine name is :
"JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

true2god:
My post is for independent mind who are reading and learning from this discussion. Your response is irrelevant.

true2god:
My post is for independent mind who are reading and learning from this discussion. Your response is irrelevant.

achorladey:
Divine providence doesn't mean that's the name Jehovah appointed but it was to be temporary since there is going to be a separation when Jesus return to see how well his group are doing
Just tell me my post is UNREASONABLE . Show me the scripture that states the name is TEMPORARY and that because of future separation the name will become useless or discarded?
Tell me why Jehovah and those given you spiritual food from JEHOVAH'S table still use a temporary name in their spiritual meal when the permanent existed before the temporary?
Why, what is the need for a temporary name when the permanent is in place?
Why is that name used to support the teachings that you are true worshipper of Jehovah when you have the authentic name from Jehovah?
If you are being reproached* for the name of Christ, you are happy,+ because the spirit of glory, yes, the spirit of God, is resting upon you.
But if anyone suffers as a Christian(that cursed name), let him not feel ashamed,+ but let him keep on glorifying God while bearing this name.
Whatever scripture I quoted up there are UNREASONABLE?
A. Yes
B. NO
C. I look elsewhere
D. I divert into REASONABLE things

achorladey:
When those they meet out their in their territory dance to their tune, they are honest hearted. When the same person start to raise difficult questions that don't dance to their tune, the person all of a sudden becomes dishonesthearted.
He needs a reminder what forum means
FORUM means
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
"we hope these pages act as a forum for debate"
synonyms: meeting, assembly, gathering, conference, seminar, convention, colloquy, convocation, congress, rally, council, symposium, conclave, congregation, synod, diet, caucus, get-together, colloquium, setting, place, scene, context, stage, framework, backdrop, medium, means, agency, channel, avenue, vehicle, mechanism, apparatus, auspices

Gentlevin:
Good to know that bro. Well, i wont ask how u knew because its only those that speak the pure language that will be able to identify the language when its spoken.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know our Master, Lord and King!

He is the world's most Wonderful Counselor of all times {Isaiah 9:6} so it's either you accept what we are saying or you go and practice what you know! John 14:6

Agídí ò ràn-án, it's not by force!

achorladey:
You don't know our Master, Lord and King

Diversion lo le se

He is the world's most Wonderful Counselor of all times {Isaiah 9:6} so it's either you accept what we are saying or you go and practice what you know! John 14:6

Diversion in place


Agídí ò ràn-án, it's not by force

Agidi ko ni ijiroro yii da le lori

DappaD:
Oh please don’t kid yourself. Locally and abroad, we’ve seen many people, even prominent ones in the society being puzzled over why Witnesses don’t engage in politics because being honest and moral people, they reason that we could be assets in the political clime so they’re ever confused when we tell them a loud NO.

One of my brothers in the UK was pressed with questions why the “leaders” in the organization don’t push JWs to participate in politics. His response was: “Why should we? We have solved the problems that are tearing your world apart—prejudice, for example. Why should we trade in the gold for the mud?“

So don’t get confused, Jesus & his disciples(Christians) in the first century NEVER got involved with politics neither did they enrol in the army to serve the State in their day(John 15:18-20, 17:14-16) and even secular history can attest to that. The reason being that they were always busy with the preaching and teaching work(Matthew 28:19-20, Acts 5:42) and because of that, they were considered “unproductive”, “unpatriotic”, “dregs of the human society” and as those stirring up trouble and ruining businesses of pagans in the Roman Empire. Acts 19:23-41

Even a considerable number of Greek philosophers most especially Celsus criticized the Christians in the first century and called them a divisive, dangerous threat and destructive force/sect in Rome
Can you imagine? All because of what? That although respectful of the authorities(Romans 13:1), they would not bow down to Roman Emperor and give what belongs to God to Caesar(Matthew 22:21), which is exclusive devotion Exodus 34:14

That’s why when we see you people criticizing Jehovah’s Witnesses, it doesn‘t surprise nor shake us(1John 3:13), we just laugh and remove face because you really do not see even though you have eyes. John 9:41, Acts 28:27