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compton11:
u are stupid!

Not all sahih Bukhari was prophet words

Abdool, you don't have to be angry with me, take your anger to your scholars

GreenCovering:
Holy Qur'an 19:67 is translated as:
Does not man remember that We created him before when he was nothing?

https://quran.com/19/67?translations=20

Once twisted, as you have below, the meaning is impaired. Study the verse again, and when you have seen your error, then repost your comment with that point taken out. Then we can continue on the other ones.

Allah only have to say be and it is ✌️

Abdoolbuster:
LMAO @antiislam, @Hendtime come o Sombody is saying that the sayings of the prophet (saw) is causing wàhálà (shame) to Islam. Ọmọ x 1 trillion I no fit laugh alone

compton11:
u are stupid!

Not all sahih Bukhari was prophet words

Why must you use derogatory words? Son of muta why? OK I get it, your prophet is also derogatory

GreenCovering:
Holy Qur'an 19:67 is translated as:
Does not man remember that We created him before when he was nothing?

https://quran.com/19/67?translations=20

Once twisted, as you have below, the meaning is impaired. Study the verse again, and when you have seen your error, then repost your comment with that point taken out. Then we can continue on the other ones.

I am not the one twisting your Quran it is you abdools doing gymnastics with translations
Check out the screenshot for different translations. So please take your annoyance to Yusuf Ali

AlBaqir:
This is an excellent observation. Allow me to add my inputs as follows:

1. To the Muslim fundamentalists, we need to be crystal clear that doubting or questioning a particular hadith does not necessarily meant one doubts the Messenger of Allah; rather, the doubt is on what is attributed to him that no one could say 100% its from him.

For a fact, neither the Prophet nor his companions authenticate any of the hadith compilations. For example, Sahih al-Bukhari was compiled almost 200 years after the demise of Imam al-Bukhari from a 50-page manuscript where many passages were left blank. How it transformed into 9 to 10 volumes containing 6000+ ahadith is still a mystery.

You can read more: https://www.nairaland.com/3108197/wrote-sahih-bukhari-obviously-not


2. Authenticity of hadith:

Generally, there are two popular criteria to discern an authentic Hadith from false one: verification of the sanad (chain of transmission) and verification of the matn (content). Unfortunately, the former is 99% relied upon in judging the authenticity of Hadith while the latter is rarely used. This is the problem with Sahih al-Bukhari and sahih Muslim. All their respective ahadith are adjudged authentic based on the verification of their sanad but scholars disregard the matn of their ahadith. This is the reason why hadith will be classified as authentic while its matn opposed Quran and rationality blatantly.

Looking at the matn (content, text) of Hadith in line with overall Quranic injunction / message, historical facts or comparison with other Hadith that is widely reported is the best way to judge authenticity of Hadith. We have seen scholars who graded ahadith weak based on its sanad (chain of transmission) but authenticate the hadith based on its matn using aforementioned standards.

3. Sometimes, a hadith is half-reported (and that might makes it irrational) or a part of it is mistakenly heard leading to wrong meaning, or a part of the hadith is falsified, or interpolated. Here, scholars tried to sieve grain from chaff. However, I need to add that it is subjective to throw every hadith away because it does not fit into individual's understanding, and it is counterproductive to use empirical science to verify authenticity of hadith. This does not meant we should throw rationality and science away, both have been used many times to understand various ahadith.

4. When it comes to the fundamental Islamic messages and personality of the noble Prophet [peace be upon him and his progeny], the ONLY standard to judge the authenticity of any hadith on these two subjects irrespective of where it is documented is the holy Qur'an.

For example, Qur'an states emphatically that the Prophet had exalted and Sublime characters, and believers are enjoined to emulate him. If a so-called authentic Hadith describes him as a mean or base person, obviously such hadith is false despite its authentic tag. Another example is the age of Aishah when Prophet got married to her. In this case, no single hadith is attributed to the Prophet himself that his wife was 6 when he married her and consummated the marriage at 9. Verifying the hadith with history shows Aishah was between 19 - 21.


There are lot I intend to add but let me stop here for now.

Salaam alaykum.

Well said. Especially the last hadith, the idea that Aisha was married at 6 doesn't make sense when you look into other historical accounts. Unfortunately, this is what people are placing on the same level with the holy Qur'an

Itzlinda:
Only Quran is infallible. I wish you understand Hausa so I could attach a ruling of late gummi where he said not all Hadith in sahihul bukhari are authentic.

The summary of what he says is that Allah only promise to protect Quran from contamination so numerous Hadith books can be contaminated.

He gave an example of the Hadith that says some unbelievers used charm on prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) which caused him sickness.

The sheikh says it is even a grave sin to believe charm could work on the noble prophet. And this Hadith is found right there in Imamul bukhari.
Allahu a’alam

Please do share. I'm a native Hausa man.

There are so many examples. I've read on one where Prophet Muhammad tells someone not to get angry 3x, meaning that the prophet discourages such feelings.

Yet in the same Hadiths, we have several reports of the prophet making decisions out of fury and even killing some visitors by chopping their hands and and legs off, and their eyes burnt with hot iron till they die.


Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:
Narrated Anas:
Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.

Crayfish09:
Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

If you still believe that all Sahih hadiths are authentic please give me your reasons. I am not here to argue with anyone but to learn. These are some of the things I find questionable about hadiths:

The collection process: Imam Buhari collected 500,000 narrations and found only 8,000 to be authentic. Looking at these numbers, it's very easy for the sound ones to be excluded and fake ones to be accepted.

Contradictions with the Qur'an: maybe it's my lack of understanding, but it looks to be violating some of the commandments of Allah. For example,

1)the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion while the Hadiths call for the killing of apostates.

2) The Quran specifies 100 lashes for Zina (with no distinction between adultery and fornication) while the Hadiths call for stoning to death.

3) The Quran justifies killing only on the grounds of murder or war while the hadiths do so on adultery, apostesy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and so one which are the main issues that the Kafirs use to condemn us.

4) The Qur'an encourages Muslims to refrain from approaching women (sexually) during their periods but the hadiths suggest so.

There are so many others that I noticed.


Contradictions within hadiths: you'll find "Sahih" hadith contradicting with "Sahih" from other scholars or even within the same collection. Take for example,

1)
- Hazrat Ibn Abbas said: Rasool (S) slept for a while – went to the Masjid and prayed (‘offered’ Namaaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)

- The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ‘perform’ Namaaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

2)

- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

- Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)


3)


- Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

- BUT, Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)

4)

- If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)

- But: Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a donkey to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Again, I came across many of such examples.


Lastly, the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HADITHS:

Many of them are absolutely insulting to our holy prophet Muhammad.

Some made narrations of him lying on his stomach while married women rubbed his back.

Some said he used to pee while standing.

Some talked about the sun traveling to prostrate before Allah everyday

Some said Moses sent prophet Muhammad back to Allah multiple times in order to have our salat reduced to 5

Some portrayed prophet Muhammad as a reckless killer

Some said pandemics can never reach Makkah and Madinah but Covid-19 proves otherwise.


Many of them are absolutely degrading to women. Some have grouped them with devils and animals.


Some condone rape and stealing (especially at times of war)



The list is just endless. If you have some logical explanations for these factors please do share with me. I have come to realize that most of the Islamic laws we have today lay much more emphasis on these hadiths rather than the Qur'an too.

NB: I don't completely disbelieve the hadiths. There are many beautiful ones that should be accepted even IF they didn't come from the prophet.

This is Critically Thoughtful.
I Also wish to have more Knowledge on this as most people I asked are not willing to Think it through...
And Believe me if we don't face it Squarely we would keep Having Sects whose Beliefs are Contradicting but they all have an Authentic Hadith or Ayah to Back their Ideologies (No Matter how Irrational it is).

Hendtime:
Allah only have to say be and it is ✌️

Yes o, and the entire creation and its materials and forces will align to full fill that command immediately.

Such is the might of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala over His creations.

GreenCovering:
Yes o, and the entire creation and its materials and forces will align to fill that command immediately.

Such is the might of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala over his creations.

Then why did he not say be when he was making Adam, abi he don forget say him get power?

No, I am not annoyed.

Even when I pasted the verse on google and translated, it still did not tally with the flimsy choice that you wanted to use to establish your argument.

I know that I may not be able to change you but your unsuspecting readers would now know your modus operandi.

Abdoolbuster:
I am not the one twisting your Quran it is you abdools doing gymnastics with translations
Check out the screenshot for different translations. So please take your annoyance to Yusuf Ali

There are lots of errors in saheeh Bukhari alot. Those who equate sitatu sihah expecially saheeh Bukhari with al-Qur'an Kareem are ignorant of the highest order

Hendtime:
Then why did he not say be when he was making Adam, abi he don forget say him get power?

Na you forget say E get the power to command the creation of Adam.

Crayfish09:
First of all, you are completely wrong for even saying that the Hadith (with all its glaring faults that I've mentioned) are as reliable as the Quran. I mean, let's face it. Even the compilers threw away 90% of the hadiths so how can you even compare such with the Qur'an?

I think your comment is the exact problem I have with the hadiths. First of all, how do you equate disbeliving parts of the hadiths with disbelieving the words of Allah even when there are strong evidences that many of them are false?


Kindly explain the differences between these hadiths for me (for starters)

Is Ghusl (bath) mandatory after intercourse?
- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

Rasool (S) said: When a man sits between the woman’s legs and pushes hard, Ghusl (bath) becomes mandatory with or without ejaculation. (Muslim vol 1 Bab-il-Wudhu pg 485)


This is just an example of so many others. Don't ever equate Hadiths with the Qur'an. Salami Alaikum

Yes I agree with you but just like the Qur'an have abrogating and abrogated verses the Hadith also have.
For example.
O prophet urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty who are steadfast they will overcome two hundred.. and if there are among you one hundred who are steadfast they will overcome a thousand who have disbelieve. Qur'an 8:65.
But this verse was later abrogated by Qur'an 8: 66
Now Allah has lighten the hardship for you and he knows that among you is weakness.
So if there are from you one hundred who are steadfast they will overcome two hundred..

GreenCovering:
Na you forget say E get the power to command the creation of Adam.

Lol.
Are you still Responding to this guy

AntiChristian:
I think I categorically mentioned "Sahih hadith" and not just Hadith/Ahadith! You need to read more in between the lines. Sahih means authentic. Whatever is thrown away is not Sahih.

How many of the authentic ones have you worked on? I think you should answer what the Qur'an meant by saying "obey Allah and His messenger" several times?




I have told you to move closer to Scholars who can explain the ahadith to you in details.

I will give you a similitude in the Qur'an with three verses about intoxicants (Wine, etc.) , the first two permits it while the last one forbids it. Is there any contradiction in them?

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."
Qur'an 2:219

"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer, (Salat) while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
Qur'an 4:43

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Qur'an 5:90

Sometimes, a verse is explained by another verse while at other times a verse may abrogate another verse! This happens many times in the Qur'an and hadith. You need to search for the knowledge.

True that's what I told him, but I still believe him seriously some Hadith in the authentic Hadith are questionable

Abdoolbuster:
Why must you use derogatory words? Son of muta why? OK I get it, your prophet is also derogatory

nigga what?

Hendtime:
Abdool, you don't have to be angry with me, take your anger to your scholars

nah nigga u can't understand!

AntiChristian:
Insults? Ignorance and not wanting to learn is an ailment. You kept refusing to answer questions here and you kept rejecting the answers given.

May Allah protect us from the Shaytan that has infected your skul.

When next you come online do answer the following questions completely and explicitly as you can without using any Sahih ahadith.

1. Show us the Five daily prayers by their names in the Qur'an. Then mention where it is stated that we pray Fajr reciting aloud, Zuhr silently....

2. Show us the mode of praying Salah explicitly from the Qur'an including all the recitations from start to finish. How many Rakah has each Salah? Each Nawaafil?

3. Show us the ruling on Taharah & Istinjah as related to Salah from the Qur'an.

4. Allah says there are 12 months in the Qur'an. Show us the 12 Islamic months from the Qur'an?

5. How do you know how much Zakah to pay from the Quran?

6. It says in the Quran to shorten the prayer when you travel. How long do you have to travel in order to be eligible to have this privilege? How short do you have to cut the prayer?

7. The Qur'an says to cut the hand of the thief. Does the word 'cut' in the verse mean to cut off or to cut in the sense of making a mark, or could it be metaphorical and mean cutting off the resources of the thief?

8. The prophecies of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came true from the hadith, thus proving that there are divine revelations sent down to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) other than the Quran. How do you explain this?

9. The Quran says that men can beat their wives. But we know according to the hadith that this is meant to be a light beating that inflicts a spiritual punishment and not a harmful physical punishment. What is to stop a man from misinterpreting the Quran and beating his wife severely?

10. The Qur'an says that we must obey Allah and the Messenger (Surah 3:31-32,132; Surah 4:13-14, 59, 61, 64, 69, 80; Surah 24:56). There are two separate commands here. One is to obey Allah and the other is to obey the Prophet. In order to obey someone, he would need to issue a command. So if we want to obey Allah we have to do so by reading the commands of Allah in the Quran and adhering to them. If we want to obey the Prophet then we have to do so by reading the commands of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in the authentic hadith and adhere to them. Or is there another way?

11. It says in the Qu'ran (Surah 33:21) that we have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would we know his example without the traditions to turn to?

12. We have different forms of reciting the Qur'an, which means that certain letters are taken away from the word or pronounced differently. Through authentic hadith, we know that these were accepted forms of reading approved by the Prophet (peace be upon him). But without hadith, how would we know this? Using the Qur'an alone, if I see that there are different forms of recitation then I would think that there is more than one Qur'an and I wouldn't know which one is correct.

13. In Surah 2:221, God forbids us to marry polytheist women. Yet in Surah 5:5, God says that we can marry the believing women and the chaste women from the People of the Book. This is a clear differentiation between believing women and People of the Book. You can't have a believing person today from the People of the Book who is not a Muslim. So if God were talking about the believing women from the People of the Book then He wouldn't have differentiated the "believing women" phrase from them. Furthermore, the believing people from the People of the Book were the ones who truly followed the teachings of Jesus and Moses, which are lost today. So by using the Quran alone, how do I know which verse was revealed first? Did Surah 2:221 come first and then God sent down Surah 5:5 making an exception or did God send down Surah 5:5 first and then send Surah 2:221 by completely prohibiting us from marrying the women from the People of the Book?

14. In Surah 24, verse 31 says "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof" What exactly is this part that "appears thereof"?

15. Allah says in the Qur'an (Surah 75:19) that the Qur'an will be recited. But then in the verse right after (verse 20) it is also said that the Qur'an will be explained. If the Qur'an is self-explanatory then the only thing that needs to be done is reciting it out. However, in verse 19 the function of reciting is done and then in the verse right after, the function of explaining is done. Clearly these are two different tasks, which mean that reading the Qur'an alone would not give you the full explanation required. It has to be explained through some other source. What is that other source?

Sir he is not saying that all the Hadith are not authentic but rather Hadith which don't have backing from the Qur'an are questionable,
I start to believe him.

Crayfish09:
Two things:

1) Allah says we should obey the prophet, but how can we obey him when SOME of the reports contain glaring lies against him?

2) I did not in any part of my post say that all Hadiths are lies, you are deliberately assuming that because you are getting emotional. If I have to accept every report about prophet Muhammad just because sayings have been attributed to hin, then YOU must also accept all other Hadiths (including the "weak" ones and those that were completely discarded).

True

GreenCovering:
Holy Qur'an 19:67 is translated as:
Does not man remember that We created him before when he was nothing?

https://quran.com/19/67?translations=20

Once twisted, as you have below, the meaning is impaired. Study the verse again, and when you have seen your error, then repost your comment with that point taken out. Then we can continue on the other ones.

Thank you

nisai:
What would you say about keeping beard and wearing non-below-ankle trousers? Compulsory or optional?

Is Sunnah not compulsory

Itzlinda:
Only Quran is infallible. I wish you understand Hausa so I could attach a ruling of late gummi where he said not all Hadith in sahihul bukhari are authentic.

The summary of what he says is that Allah only promise to protect Quran from contamination so numerous Hadith books can be contaminated.

He gave an example of the Hadith that says some unbelievers used charm on prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) which caused him sickness.

The sheikh says it is even a grave sin to believe charm could work on the noble prophet. And this Hadith is found right there in Imamul bukhari.
Allahu a’alam

I will look for the video and Watch it, what is the name Awana tafseer yayi

GreenCovering:
Na you forget say E get the power to command the creation of Adam.

Why he no do am?

compton11:
nah nigga u can't understand!

Issokai o

Hendtime:
Why he no do am?

How you take know say E no do am?

AntiChristian:
I think I categorically mentioned "Sahih hadith" and not just Hadith/Ahadith! You need to read more in between the lines. Sahih means authentic. Whatever is thrown away is not Sahih.

How many of the authentic ones have you worked on? I think you should answer what the Qur'an meant by saying "obey Allah and His messenger" several times?




I have told you to move closer to Scholars who can explain the ahadith to you in details.

I will give you a similitude in the Qur'an with three verses about intoxicants (Wine, etc.) , the first two permits it while the last one forbids it. Is there any contradiction in them?

They ask you about wine (khamr) and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit."
Qur'an 2:219

"O you who acknowledge, Do not go near prayer, (Salat) while you are stupified (under influence), until you know what you are saying"
Qur'an 4:43

O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants (khamr), gambling, [sacrificing on] stone altars [to other than God], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
Qur'an 5:90

Sometimes, a verse is explained by another verse while at other times a verse may abrogate another verse! This happens many times in the Qur'an and hadith. You need to search for the knowledge.

Don't read to give a reply or prove a point read to Understand and Dish out your Opinion.
we are all students of Knowledge Here. Besides the single bane of most of our Ulamas is Assuming Righteousness, Pride, Sentiment and Lack of an Objective Mindset. Listen Please

Crayfish09:
Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

If you still believe that all Sahih hadiths are authentic please give me your reasons. I am not here to argue with anyone but to learn. These are some of the things I find questionable about hadiths:

The collection process: Imam Buhari collected 500,000 narrations and found only 8,000 to be authentic. Looking at these numbers, it's very easy for the sound ones to be excluded and fake ones to be accepted.

Contradictions with the Qur'an: maybe it's my lack of understanding, but it looks to be violating some of the commandments of Allah. For example,

1)the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion while the Hadiths call for the killing of apostates.

2) The Quran specifies 100 lashes for Zina (with no distinction between adultery and fornication) while the Hadiths call for stoning to death.

3) The Quran justifies killing only on the grounds of murder or war while the hadiths do so on adultery, apostesy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and so one which are the main issues that the Kafirs use to condemn us.

4) The Qur'an encourages Muslims to refrain from approaching women (sexually) during their periods but the hadiths suggest so.

There are so many others that I noticed.


Contradictions within hadiths: you'll find "Sahih" hadith contradicting with "Sahih" from other scholars or even within the same collection. Take for example,

1)
- Hazrat Ibn Abbas said: Rasool (S) slept for a while – went to the Masjid and prayed (‘offered’ Namaaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)

- The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ‘perform’ Namaaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

2)

- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

- Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)


3)


- Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

- BUT, Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)

4)

- If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)

- But: Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a donkey to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Again, I came across many of such examples.


Lastly, the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HADITHS:

Many of them are absolutely insulting to our holy prophet Muhammad.

Some made narrations of him lying on his stomach while married women rubbed his back.

Some said he used to pee while standing.

Some talked about the sun traveling to prostrate before Allah everyday

Some said Moses sent prophet Muhammad back to Allah multiple times in order to have our salat reduced to 5

Some portrayed prophet Muhammad as a reckless killer

Some said pandemics can never reach Makkah and Madinah but Covid-19 proves otherwise.


Many of them are absolutely degrading to women. Some have grouped them with devils and animals.


Some condone rape and stealing (especially at times of war)



The list is just endless. If you have some logical explanations for these factors please do share with me. I have come to realize that most of the Islamic laws we have today lay much more emphasis on these hadiths rather than the Qur'an too.

NB: I don't completely disbelieve the hadiths. There are many beautiful ones that should be accepted even IF they didn't come from the prophet.

The Hadith collectors have made their own research and contributions. Muslim schorlars of today should continue to make it better. However , some schorlars are bent on replacing hadith with their own opinions in order to propagate their own ideology and create divisions among muslims, one must be careful of this. Many Quran verses point to the relevance of hadith which makes it inevitable while interpreting Qur'an. I am of the opinion that not all the hadiths that were rejected are fakes, muslim recognised body and reputable schorlars who are sincere should continue to work on them.

AlBaqir:
This is an excellent observation. Allow me to add my inputs as follows:

1. To the Muslim fundamentalists, we need to be crystal clear that doubting or questioning a particular hadith does not necessarily meant one doubts the Messenger of Allah; rather, the doubt is on what is attributed to him that no one could say 100% its from him.

For a fact, neither the Prophet nor his companions authenticate any of the hadith compilations. For example, Sahih al-Bukhari was compiled almost 200 years after the demise of Imam al-Bukhari from a 50-page manuscript where many passages were left blank. How it transformed into 9 to 10 volumes containing 6000+ ahadith is still a mystery.

You can read more: https://www.nairaland.com/3108197/wrote-sahih-bukhari-obviously-not


2. Authenticity of hadith:

Generally, there are two popular criteria to discern an authentic Hadith from false one: verification of the sanad (chain of transmission) and verification of the matn (content). Unfortunately, the former is 99% relied upon in judging the authenticity of Hadith while the latter is rarely used. This is the problem with Sahih al-Bukhari and sahih Muslim. All their respective ahadith are adjudged authentic based on the verification of their sanad but scholars disregard the matn of their ahadith. This is the reason why hadith will be classified as authentic while its matn opposed Quran and rationality blatantly.

Looking at the matn (content, text) of Hadith in line with overall Quranic injunction / message, historical facts or comparison with other Hadith that is widely reported is the best way to judge authenticity of Hadith. We have seen scholars who graded ahadith weak based on its sanad (chain of transmission) but authenticate the hadith based on its matn using aforementioned standards.

3. Sometimes, a hadith is half-reported (and that might makes it irrational) or a part of it is mistakenly heard leading to wrong meaning, or a part of the hadith is falsified, or interpolated. Here, scholars tried to sieve grain from chaff. However, I need to add that it is subjective to throw every hadith away because it does not fit into individual's understanding, and it is counterproductive to use empirical science to verify authenticity of hadith. This does not meant we should throw rationality and science away, both have been used many times to understand various ahadith.

4. When it comes to the fundamental Islamic messages and personality of the noble Prophet [peace be upon him and his progeny], the ONLY standard to judge the authenticity of any hadith on these two subjects irrespective of where it is documented is the holy Qur'an.

For example, Qur'an states emphatically that the Prophet had exalted and Sublime characters, and believers are enjoined to emulate him. If a so-called authentic Hadith describes him as a mean or base person, obviously such hadith is false despite its authentic tag. Another example is the age of Aishah when Prophet got married to her. In this case, no single hadith is attributed to the Prophet himself that his wife was 6 when he married her and consummated the marriage at 9. Verifying the hadith with history shows Aishah was between 19 - 21.


There are lot I intend to add but let me stop here for now.

Salaam alaykum.

Good job you


The Hadith collectors have made their own research and contributions. Muslim schorlars of today should continue to make it better. However , some schorlars are bent on replacing hadith with their own opinions in order to propagate their own ideology and create divisions among muslims, one must be careful of this. Many Quran verses point to the relevance of hadith which makes it inevitable while interpreting Qur'an. I am of the opinion that not all the hadiths that were rejected are fakes, muslim recognised body and reputable schorlars who are sincere should continue to work on them.

Hassanmaye:
Is Sunnah not compulsory

I was asking a question, you are asking me another. Mteeeew!

Crayfish09:
Assalamu Alaikum brothers,

I'm asking this question because of the videos of an Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abduljabbar that I came across last week. He made some points about the hadiths being unreliable and even gave some proofs (which I extensively made a research on and found 90% to be true) and challenged northern scholars to prove him wrong or debate with him. So far, none of them has stepped forward to do so even though they have been condemning and cursing him. In fact, he was kicked out of Kano and barred from holding lectures.

If you still believe that all Sahih hadiths are authentic please give me your reasons. I am not here to argue with anyone but to learn. These are some of the things I find questionable about hadiths:

The collection process: Imam Buhari collected 500,000 narrations and found only 8,000 to be authentic. Looking at these numbers, it's very easy for the sound ones to be excluded and fake ones to be accepted.

Contradictions with the Qur'an: maybe it's my lack of understanding, but it looks to be violating some of the commandments of Allah. For example,

1)the Qur'an says there is no compulsion in religion while the Hadiths call for the killing of apostates.

2) The Quran specifies 100 lashes for Zina (with no distinction between adultery and fornication) while the Hadiths call for stoning to death.

3) The Quran justifies killing only on the grounds of murder or war while the hadiths do so on adultery, apostesy, homosexuality, blasphemy, and so one which are the main issues that the Kafirs use to condemn us.

4) The Qur'an encourages Muslims to refrain from approaching women (sexually) during their periods but the hadiths suggest so.

There are so many others that I noticed.


Contradictions within hadiths: you'll find "Sahih" hadith contradicting with "Sahih" from other scholars or even within the same collection. Take for example,

1)
- Hazrat Ibn Abbas said: Rasool (S) slept for a while – went to the Masjid and prayed (‘offered’ Namaaz) without Wudhu. (Bukhari, Kitabul Wudhu)

- The Sahaba of Rasool (S) used to ‘perform’ Namaaz without Wudhu after waking up from sleep. (Muslim with Fathil Mulhim pg 500)

2)

- Hazrat Usman said: If a man withdraws before ejaculation, let him wash the genitals and make Wudhu (No bath necessary). (Bukhari, vol 1 Kitabul Wudhu pg 164 Hadith 176)

- Bath becomes mandatory after penetration. (Muwatta pg 22)


3)


- Rasool (S) said, “Renew Wudhu after eating anything cooked on fire.” (Muslim vol 1 pg 486)

- BUT, Ibn Abbas says, “Rasoolullah ate a roasted goat shoulder and then prayed without ablution.” (Same vol 1 pg 488)

4)

- If someone passes in front of a praying person, stop him. If he doesn’t stop, kill him because he is Shayitaan. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 68)

- But: Abdullah Ibn Abbas said, “I rode a donkey to MINA. Rasoolullah (S) was leading the prayer. I passed before some praying ones and got off from the animal and joined the prayers. None objected. (Bukhari vol 1 pg 107)

Again, I came across many of such examples.


Lastly, the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS HADITHS:

Many of them are absolutely insulting to our holy prophet Muhammad.

Some made narrations of him lying on his stomach while married women rubbed his back.

Some said he used to pee while standing.

Some talked about the sun traveling to prostrate before Allah everyday

Some said Moses sent prophet Muhammad back to Allah multiple times in order to have our salat reduced to 5

Some portrayed prophet Muhammad as a reckless killer

Some said pandemics can never reach Makkah and Madinah but Covid-19 proves otherwise.


Many of them are absolutely degrading to women. Some have grouped them with devils and animals.


Some condone rape and stealing (especially at times of war)



The list is just endless. If you have some logical explanations for these factors please do share with me. I have come to realize that most of the Islamic laws we have today lay much more emphasis on these hadiths rather than the Qur'an too.

NB: I don't completely disbelieve the hadiths. There are many beautiful ones that should be accepted even IF they didn't come from the prophet.

@op,I will implore you seek more clarification from scholars of hadith..for contradiction number 4

The hadith said (fight)قاتل not قتل(kill) these are simple Arabic terms.

Baker77:
@op,I will implore you seek more clarification from scholars of hadith..for contradiction number 4

The hadith said (fight)قاتل not قتل(kill) these are simple Arabic terms.

Na Gymnastics be this my bro...
You know say Quran self came with no districts na old Scholars dey give am the marks, whether above or below, that's why we have different recitation methods.
Same with this, you can either call it (fight)قاتل or قتل.
Depending on the chain/part your Hadith was narrated from.
Peace.