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BassReeves:
If you perceive yourself to be a kid, thats your problem, as I believed I was about conversing with one or two matured posters here

Mind you maturity doesnt mean age, it isnt measured by age, meaning, its not the age that makes one mature, its the responsibility and ability to think, act and speak your feelings within the limit of not making disparaging remarks. Maturity starts, where and when drama ends. Not taking contributions, personally, is a super power. Handle posts maturely, as you'll be better off without the '... discussing with some kids' sic etc drama. A sign of maturity, is accepting deferred gratification, postpone gratification and escape the kid categorising trap. I'd long realised that most immature posters often always want to win an argument even at the cost of a relationship.

I did earlier cite 18:063 as the passage

Why dont you get hold of Antiquities of the Jews, Volume Three, Book 18 (i.e. Sedition of the Jews against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ. And what befel Paulina, and the Jews at Rome) then go to Chapter 3, to read the below about what you queried

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man; if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross; those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again, the third day: as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html

Question again;
Can you cite the passage where Josephus mentioned Jesus, no patronym – Condemned to cross by Pilate. He was [the] Christ. which is not a forgery?

I no ask for Eusebius forgery or interpretation. Thanks and goodnight

FOLYKAZE:
His adopted name is Titus Flavius. He was romanized.

Seems you know nothing about the dude.

His name may be Romanized but he was still a Jew! Just like I my Englishsise my name and remain Nigerian!

"Titus Flavius Josephus, born Yosef ben Matityahu, was a first-century Romano-Jewish historian".

FOLYKAZE:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html

So, you want me to go through an entire book to find a reference for your claim that "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus", and despite the fact that your source clearly distinguishes "the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James", from "Jesus, the son of Damneus the High Priest"?

It is what is done by those who have no evidence for their claims, I've found!

FOLYKAZE:
Question again;
Can you cite the passage where Josephus mentioned Jesus, ...

Really! So you don't want a whole book thrown at you like you have done above, lol.

Like I said, you funny.

budaatum:
His name may be Romanized but he was still a Jew! Just like I my Englishsise my name and remain Nigerian!

"Titus Flavius Josephus, born Yosef ben Matityahu, was a first-century Romano-Jewish historian".

Josephus knows nothing about Christ of Nazareth. He purported that those who upheld believe in Messiah are mad robbers. He was a jew resistance soldier but defected to Roman court where he sees Vespasian as the prophesied Messiah.

budaatum:
So, you want me to go through an entire book to find a reference for your claim that "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus", and despite the fact that your source clearly distinguishes "the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James", from "Jesus, the son of Damneus the High Priest"?

It is what is done by those who have no evidence for their claims, I've found!

Do yourself some good and read

budaatum:
Really! So you don't want a whole book thrown at you like you have done above, lol.

Like I said, you funny.

How many times do you want me to cite the passage? I no get that time madame

22jumpstreet:
http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html

Interesting read. Thanks for sharing

FOLYKAZE:
How many times do you want me to cite the passage? I no get that time madame

You never cited the passage! What you did do was throw an entire book at me and expect me to wade through it to find evidence for your claim!

FOLYKAZE:
Do yourself some good and read

Lol!

FOLYKAZE:
That Jesus ben Damneus exist therefore Jesus Christ of Nazareth exist?

Why do you think not?

FOLYKAZE:
[s]Funfact: there was no Nazareth in the early first century[/s].

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/jesus-home-town-nazareth-archaeological-discovery-research-a9470716.html

https://www.livescience.com/49997-jesus-house-possibly-found-nazareth.html

FOLYKAZE:
[s]Run along to earlywriting to copy your garbage again[/s]

Soot trying to call avalanche black

FOLYKAZE:
Shut it if you have nothing to submit. Goodnight!

Its a tragedy when emotions arent as educated as intellect. Emotional intelligences allows one to respond, instead of react. Emotionally intelligent posters know when to display emotions and when to delay emotions. Have the heart of a kid. Goodnight! Sayonara!

budaatum:
You never cited the passage! What you did do was throw an entire book at me and expect me to wade through it to find evidence for your claim!

Stop been dishonest Dear
https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

FOLYKAZE:
Question again;
Can you cite the passage where Josephus mentioned Jesus, no patronym – Condemned to cross by Pilate. He was [the] Christ. which is not a forgery?

[s]I no ask for Eusebius forgery or interpretation. Thanks and goodnight [/s]

How many times do you want me to cite the passage before you've had enough?

I voluntarily without you soliciting first cited the source the information was drawn from, then I afterwards went as far as copy and paste the passage here for, even shared the reference. Now what else do you Oliver Twist want?

No ones giving you any 'Eusebius forgery or interpretation' sic

budaatum:
You never cited the passage! What you did do was throw an entire book at me and expect me to wade through it to find evidence for your claim!

No, won't give you exact reference, but he'll rather have you go on a 'treasure hunt', go find a needle buried in a haystack, while staying truculent as ever

BassReeves:
Why do you think not?

You should explain how Jesus of Nazareth of 34AD made it into priesthood in 62AD

BassReeves:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/jesus-home-town-nazareth-archaeological-discovery-research-a9470716.html

I am still looking for the City Nazareth.

BassReeves:
https://www.livescience.com/49997-jesus-house-possibly-found-nazareth.html

q

Jesus house indeed. Lol

BassReeves:
Soot trying to call avalanche black

Caught pants down

BassReeves:
Its a tragedy when emotions arent as educated as intellect. Emotional intelligences allows one to respond, instead of react. Emotionally intelligent posters know when to display emotions and when to delay emotions. Have the heart of a kid. Goodnight! Sayonara!

Haahaa

BassReeves:
How many times do you want me to cite the passage before you've had enough?

I voluntarily without you soliciting first cited the source the information was drawn from, then I afterwards went as far as copy and paste the passage here for, even shared the reference. Now what else do you Oliver Twist want?

No ones giving you any 'Eusebius forgery or interpretation' sic

Ttestimonium flavianum is discredited. Haven't I said this like more than once? How could you present an interpolation and forgery as evidence

FOLYKAZE:
Stop been dishonest Dear
https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Don't dear me! I am not your dear!

You claimed James the Just, the brother of Jesus ben Damneus. Yet, the text you presented as evidence describes James the Just as the brother of Jesus of Nazareth, and you admit that Jesus of Nazareth of 34AD could not possibly be Jesus ben Damneus who made it into priesthood in 62AD.

Now, it's possible James the Just had more than one brother named Jesus, so just provide a simple reference so we know!

budaatum:
Don't dear me! I am not your dear!

You claimed James the Just, the brother of Jesus ben Damneus. Yet, the text you presented as evidence describes James the Just as the brother of Jesus of Nazareth, and you admit that Jesus of Nazareth of 34AD could not possibly be Jesus ben Damneus who made it into priesthood in 62AD.

Now, it's possible James the Just had more than one brother named Jesus, so just provide a simple reference so we know!

Where you take see Nazareth?

Read again https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Abeg park well

budaatum:
Might one not as well say Josephus was a Jew, and thereby discount whatever he wrote about Christ?

Anyway, please provide a reference for "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus". It would be interesting to see.

FOLYKAZE:
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html

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FOLYKAZE:
Ttestimonium flavianum is discredited. Haven't I said this like more than once? How could you present an interpolation and forgery as evidence

Its OK for you to reference: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html as a source, but it isnt OK for me to use http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html from a same source you used, as my reference. Hmm?

What and where is the forgery? What and where is the interpolation? It would be interesting to see what you in your wisdom voice as '... interpolation and forgery as evidence' sic

FOLYKAZE:
Where you take see Nazareth?

Read again https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Abeg park well

Did you not bother to read your own source?

FOLYKAZE:
Historically, James existed and his brother who was elected as high priest is Jesus Damneus, not Jesus christ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_son_of_Damneus

FOLYKAZE:
Where you take see Nazareth?

Read again https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Abeg park well

budaatum:
Did you not bother to read your own source?

No, its easier, faster and quicker to throw needless tantrums

BassReeves:

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Its OK for you to reference: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html as a source, but it isnt OK for me to use http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html from a same source you used, as my reference. Hmm?

What and where is the forgery? What and where is the interpolation? It would be interesting to see what you in your wisdom voice as '... interpolation and forgery as evidence' sic

As you can see, I had no interest in citing the passage because it has been discredited as forgery. Jesus who was called Christ is an obvious interpolation. Same as the garbage you cited. Come up with authentic and unaltered citation.

BassReeves:

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Its OK for you to reference: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html as a source, but it isnt OK for me to use http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html from a same source you used, as my reference. Hmm?

What and where is the forgery? What and where is the interpolation? It would be interesting to see what you in your wisdom voice as '... interpolation and forgery as evidence' sic

I can't say he knows what he's saying by presenting as evidence a text he admits is discredited!

FOLYKAZE:
I mentioned that already. And the whole Testimonium Flavianum is wholly forgery or partially an interpolation. Na Eusebius get that wahala

FOLYKAZE:
I am disappointed in you Budda. You have a lot to read please.

Take sometimes off here
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html

An excerpt from that page

Keynotes, Festus there was the procurator who interviewed Paul, second year after he was imprisoned by Felix. How could Jesus Damneus of 62AD be the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD?

You have anlot to answer sis!

FOLYKAZE:
As you can see, I had no interest in citing the passage because it has been discredited as forgery. Jesus who was called Christ is an obvious interpolation. Same as the garbage you cited. Come up with authentic and unaltered citation.

Not so fast, you brought up that link after budaatum challenged you to: Anyway, please provide a reference for "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus". It would be interesting to see.

Why bother using and bringing up the link, if you're of the mind its discredited as forgery. Doing so, reeks of dishonesty.

I'll ask you again, what and where is the forgery? What and where is the interpolation? As it would be interesting to see what you in your wisdom, voice as '... interpolation and forgery as evidence' sic What in the context that prompted me, advancing my source to you, exactly is the interpolation and forgery you are on about? What precisely are you disputing in all the full list of Jesuses featured in Josephus ' Antiquities of the Jews?

FOLYKAZE:
As you can see, I had no interest in citing the passage because it has been discredited as forgery. Jesus who was called Christ is an obvious interpolation. Same as the garbage you cited.

That "garbage" that you admit is discredited is from links you posted in support of your own claims! If you know it's discredited, why repeatedly ask me to go read it when I ask for evidence of your claim?

FOLYKAZE:
Come up with authentic and unaltered citation.

"Come up with authentic and unaltered citation" for what, exactly?

BassReeves:
Not so fast, you brought up that link after budaatum challenged you to: Anyway, please provide a reference for "James the Just was the brother of Jesus ben Damneus". It would be interesting to see.

Why bother using and bringing up the link, if you're of the mind its discredited as forgery. Doing so, reeks of dishonesty.

You wouldn't believe I had to go check this before my response above! Glad you noticed too.

budaatum:
I can't say he knows what he's saying by presenting as evidence a text he admits is discredited!

Truculent language masks an inner hollowness. I am trying to get to the exact bottom of this with him.

FOLYKAZE:
Stop been dishonest Dear
https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Here is you re-presenting it, in case you've confused yourself.

FOLYKAZE:
How many times do you want me to cite the passage? I no get that time madame

budaatum:
You never cited the passage! What you did do was throw an entire book at me and expect me to wade through it to find evidence for your claim!

FOLYKAZE:
Stop been dishonest Dear
https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

budaatum:
Here is you re-presenting it, in case you've confused yourself.

He wants to have his cake and eat it. Tantrums, however fun they maybe to throw, rarely solves any part in the ongoing discussion

BassReeves:
He wants to have his cake and eat it. Tantrums, however fun they maybe to throw, rarely solves any part in the ongoing discussion

Tantrums just show one's position is lame, and are an attempt to intimidate. He should however know buda is not so easily intimidated.

Funny thing is, in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ, but that's hardly relevant to me since his purported teachings would stand even if he were ficticious. It is after all beneficial to love one's neighbours and enemies even moreso. If we Nigerians in the South love our neighbours in the North, for instance, instead of seeing them as our enemies, we'd be up there fighting to free them from oppression instead of crying about it after its now come south.

budaatum:
Did you not bother to read your own source?

Excerpt from my source http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html is cited here https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Stop been dishonest Darling Buda

budaatum:
Here is you re-presenting it, in case you've confused yourself.

Presenting what exactly?

That 'who was called christ' is a later interpolation or that James brother is Jesus Ben Damneus?

budaatum:
Funnier still that the Romans "succeeded in overthrowing James the Just" who is recorded to be a brother of Jesus.

Was 'James the Just' a fictional character too then?

Your primary question here is was 'James the Just' a fictional character too?

And my response here below:

FOLYKAZE That question should be directed to Eusebius who invoked the ' discredited' Testimonium Flavianum of Josephus antiquity to prove the existence of historical Jesus.

Unknown to him and the church, Josephus was only referring to Jesus ben Damneus the high-priest whose brother - James the Just was reportedly killed by Ananus ben Ananus.

It however came out that what Origen, Eusebius, and church fathers hold to their chest as a secular evidence of historical Jesus is forgery.

Historically, James existed and his brother who was elected as high priest is Jesus Damneus, not Jesus christ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_son_of_Damneus

I answered James the Just isn't a fictional character, and that his alleged brother is Jesus Ben Damneus; not Jesus Christ.

The Wikipedia link is to inform you Jesus Ben Damneus was a high priest in the second temple 62AD. Who ever edited the page to mean James brother of Jesus of Nazareth should answer you.

The reference cited on the Wikipedia page leads to Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews which I included in my corresponding response. There, no Jesus of Nazareth was mentioned.

budaatum:
The following is from your source.

"In the Antiquities of the Jews (Book 20, Chapter 9) first-century historian Josephus states that Jesus ben Damneus was made high priest after the previous high priest, Ananus son of Ananus, was removed from his position for executing James the brother of Jesus of Nazareth (James the Just)."

Does that, upon critical analysis, not imply that Jesus ben Damneus is not the same person as the brother of James whom Ananus he replaced was written to have executed?

Or perhaps your argument is that Jesus Christ is not Jesus of Nazareth?

FOLYKAZE I am disappointed in you Budda. You have a lot to read please.

Take sometimes off here
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html


An excerpt from that page

Festus was now dead; and Albinus was but upon the road. So he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James: and some others; [or, some of his companions.] And when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned. (27) But as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done. They also sent to the King [Agrippa,] desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more: for that what he had already done was not to be justified. Nay some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria; and informed him, that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent. Whereupon Albinus complyed with what they said; and wrote in anger to Ananus; and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done. On which account King Agrippa took the High Priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months; and made Jesus, the son of Damneus High Priest.

Keynotes, Festus there was the procurator who interviewed Paul, second year after he was imprisoned by Felix. How could Jesus Damneus of 62AD be the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD?

You have anlot to answer sis!

The original page didn't mention Jesus of Nazareth. I don't know what you really intend to achieve from your hyrocrisy and dishonesty Sissy.

budaatum:
Tantrums just show one's position is lame, and are an attempt to intimidate. He should however know buda is not so easily intimidated.

Thats majorly what a nephilim would do, be a bully, throw weight about, play heavy, push others around, have a hissy fit, etc

budaatum:
Funny thing is, in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ, but that's hardly relevant to me since his purported teachings would stand even if he were ficticious.

The lack of historical evidence does not mean Jesus Christ, at the time, didn’t exist. Aside from the biblical account of the existence of Jesus Christ, non-biblical accounts of Jesus' existence is provided by Josephus

budaatum:
It is after all beneficial to love one's neighbours and enemies even moreso. If we Nigerians in the South love our neighbours in the North, gor instance, instead of seeing them as our enemies, we'd be up there fighting to free them from oppression instead of crying about it after its now come south.

Its fascinating that three things swirling and screaming in your ' ... in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ' submission above are Faith, Hope and Love. Funny thing is, inasmuch as faith, hope and love lasts forever, the greatest of them three, is Love.

It is required of all human beings to, love God, love him/herself and love another human being aka the next person (i.e. neighbour)