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budaatum:
Tantrums just show one's position is lame, and are an attempt to intimidate. He should however know buda is not so easily intimidated.

Funny thing is, in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ, but that's hardly relevant to me since his purported teachings would stand even if he were ficticious. It is after all beneficial to love one's neighbours and enemies even moreso. If we Nigerians in the South love our neighbours in the North, gor instance, instead of seeing them as our enemies, we'd be up there fighting to free them from oppression instead of crying about it after its now come south.

Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

22jumpstreet:
Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

I told you not to worry yourself if truthfully you want to understand Jesus' orders, just come to his true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) and ask us what our Master, Lord and King meant by each word you read about him.
He has sent God's Holy Spirit to us to teach us the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of everything he taught us.

Mark my words you will never find any group of people practicing any other religion apart from Jehovah's Witnesses that can have PEACE within them! Luke 11:23

They will all continue to criticize, antagonize, argue, abuse, insult, curse and later pick up weapons to kill one another in the name of God! Revelations 6:3-4

So if you're interested in knowing whether Jesus is a real person or not come and learn from his true followers "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

MaxInDHouse:
I told you not to worry yourself if truthfully you want to understand Jesus' orders, just come to his true followers (Jehovah's Witnesses) and ask us what our Master, Lord and King meant by each word you read about him.
He has sent God's Holy Spirit to us to teach us the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of everything he taught us.

Mark my words you will never find any group of people practicing any other religion apart from Jehovah's Witnesses that can have PEACE within them! Luke 11:23

They will all continue to criticize, antagonize, argue, abuse, insult, curse and later pick up weapons to kill one another in the name of God! Revelations 6:3-4

So if you're interested in knowing whether Jesus is a real person or not come and learn from his true followers "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"

Are you suggesting I stop obeying jehovahs commandments?

How are you a JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES when you disobey his commandments, how do you do your own witnessing?

MaxInDHouse, I sincerely doubt if you are a Jehovah's Witness. More like a Jesus witness. That does not still apply because you never saw Jesus and you don't even know how he looked like if he actually existed. All you have is a third person story about him from somebody who never met him and does not seems to know anybody who did to collaborate their stories. To make matters worst nobody even knows who this authors are and how they are connected to the story.

I am only trying to make you understand that jehovahs has already given us laws to keep and obey. He never said he was sending anybody to die for sin or Ransome for anything. He has already said " if you sin, confess and forsake I will forgive .." The psalmist already told us " a contrite heart you will not spun..."

So I try to keep the laws and encourage people to learn the laws and keep them including you.
There is only one almighty God and creator . I only obey his commandments and I enjoin you to. Don't be distracted about a non existent son...we are all children of God. He made us in his image and likeness.

You are telling me to listen to somebody else, when God never said so...
So who really are you witnessing to and for??

22jumpstreet:
Are you suggesting I stop obeying jehovahs commandments?

First of all you need to know Jehovah not just by reading books but by thorough meditation on what you are reading.
The laws given to the Israelites aren't for the whole world that's why God said to them:

Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. You will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the Israelites. Exodus 19:5-6

So the laws were to separate the descendants of Jacob from all other nations. Not for people throughout the earth!

How are you a JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES when you disobey his commandments?

The Israelites are supposed to serve as a nation of priests to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so that people from other nations like me can hing unto them to serve their God through them {Zechariah 8:23} but that will not happen until the Messiah (Christ) arrives who will be the mediator of another fresh covenant with the Israelites {Jeremiah 31:31-34} it's until then that the Israelites must begin taking pure worship to all other nations.

The Messiah (Christ) must remove nepotism and racism from the hearts of the Israelites before this could work {Matthew 5:43-48} but this people have become so obstinate to the extent that they don't want anything that will bring them that low to accept that they can be messengers going to plead (preach) for pagans to come and worship their God. In fact they were harbouring intense hatred for Romans and to them Romans must first pay for coming to colonize them.

So that was how they lost it when the Messiah arrived in their midst. All their wrong expectations led them to hate and killed him. Their religious leaders also lead a campaign that Jesus' name and history must be erased. Act 4:18; 5:28

That's why most of their people today don't believe Jesus ever lived because the story was hidden from them!

How do you do your own witnessing?

First of all let's ask ourselves:
Why did God chose ISRAEL to serve as a nation of priests?
What result should we expect from their priesthood if they followed God's plan?

Well the Bible says that by the time Israelites concur with the plan people will come from different races throughout the earth to Jerusalem and began obeying Jehovah's orders! Micah 4:1-2

Then the result is they will agree within themselves to settle all their racial prejudice and political disputes, they will divert all their resources, energy and time to production of food rather than amassing destructive weapons, this people will agree never to enroll in the army again nor think of war anymore! Micah 4:3

So i'm Witnessing that Jesus of Nazareth is the promised Messiah (Christ) and he has started fulfilling what you just read in that Bible book as he gathers people from different races throughout the earth under one umbrella globally known today as Jehovah's Witnesses and everything WRITTEN in that prophecy is happening exactly as you're reading it.

Therefore whenever you hear of wars and killings anywhere on this planet know that the people under that umbrella are no part of bloodguilt! Psalms 46:9

You may wonder
Why is it not global?
Why only among Jehovah's Witnesses?

Well you and i know that JEHOVAH is coming to destroy the wicked but He can't justify Himself if people aren't seeing what they did to warrant annihilation. So that's why JEHOVAH brought us out from all the false religions to show them why they're deserving of death and called us by another name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15

May you have PEACE!

22jumpstreet:
Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

Love your enemies means embrace or lick ass to you?

No wonder you think it means "quick die".

22jumpstreet:
Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

Love your enemies means embrace or lick ass to you?

No wonder you think you'd "quick die".

budaatum:
Love your enemies means embrace or lick ass to you?

No wonder you think it means "quick die".

This shows you are far from nature...and by extension "God"

BassReeves:
The lack of historical evidence does not mean Jesus Christ, at the time, didn’t exist. Aside from the biblical account of the existence of Jesus Christ, non-biblical accounts of Jesus' existence is provided by Josephus.

Unfortunately Josephus as evidence for Christ has been subject to additions by early Christians which makes his works not accepted as evidence for Christ, as folykaze has pointed out. But as I said, historical evidence for Christ is irrelevant to me as I do like what he is written to teach, as you've presented below. In Spirit is Christ relevant to me, and not physically.

BassReeves:
Its fascinating that three things swirling and screaming in your ' ... in all my own investigations I can't say I've found historical evidence for or against the existence of a Jesus Christ' submission above are Faith, Hope and Love. Funny thing is, inasmuch as faith, hope and love lasts forever, the greatest of them three, is Love.

I'd go further and state you can testify to my faith in my fellow human being, my hope in them, and my love too, for, inasmuch as I do for you whom I see, a God I see not and have no historical evidence for should be pleased. Not that I do it to please God, mind.

BassReeves:
It is required of all human beings to, love God, love him/herself and love another human being aka the next person (i.e. neighbour)

I wish it was required because the world would be a better place. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's bent, we do have a choice in the matter as we see here.

22jumpstreet:
This shows you are far from nature...and by extension "God"

If you say so 22. Could you tell me how far once you've measured please. It would be interesting to know.

Workch:
he didn’t provide verifiable evidence, did he?

Verifiable bawo.

Is like you are just new as an atheist or its associates. That's a starters language.

The onus is on you to defend your unresearched question if you intend to go further.

Like I told you, not everything comes as argument. Close the thread, it's past its usefulness.

hupernikao:
Verifiable bawo.

Is like you are just new as an atheist or its associates. That's a starters language.

The onus is on you to defend your unresearched question if you intend to go further.

Like I told you, not everything comes as argument. Close the thread, it's past its usefulness.

I am not the person who saida sky daddy we can't see or verify exist.
I have nothing to prove.

FOLYKAZE:
Your primary question here is was 'James the Just' a fictional character too?

And my response here below:

I answered James the Just isn't a fictional character, and that his alleged brother is Jesus Ben Damneus; not Jesus Christ.

The Wikipedia link is to inform you Jesus Ben Damneus was a high priest in the second temple 62AD. Who ever edited the page to mean James brother of Jesus of Nazareth should answer you.

Don't you think you should have read it before presenting it as evidence?

hupernikao:
Verifiable bawo.

Is like you are just new as an atheist or its associates. That's a starters language.

The onus is on you to defend your unresearched question if you intend to go further.

Like I told you, not everything comes as argument. Close the thread, it's past its usefulness.

That others people's concept of "God " is different from yours does not mean they are atheist. Your is a Jewish man that was beaten and killed by Roman soldiers mine dwells within me...and all around me...

FOLYKAZE:
Excerpt from my source http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-20.html is cited here https://www.nairaland.com/6674257/anyone-give-evidence-jesus-ever/3#104264217

Stop been dishonest Darling Buda

Your source does not say the "brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James" is the same "Jesus, the son of Damneus High Priest".

You yourself said:

FOLYKAZE:
How could Jesus Damneus of 62AD be the same person as Jesus of Nazareth of 33AD?

But I guess since you don't even read your own sources, so one shouldn't really bother asking you!

FOLYKAZE:
I haven't read the book though but I have it in my archive.

Some people have taken this thread to another dimension. Back to the topic , is there any evidence that Jesus christ actually existed. The hard answer is NONE.

SO let's not over flog the issue.

The so called testimony from Josephus is a forgery. No body quoted from it before Eusebius did me think he is the one who doctored the forgery...

Let me end with a passage from Emperor Julian book titled "Against the galilians "
It says

Book I
39.[9] It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind the reasons by which I was convinced that the fabrication of the Galilaeans is a fiction of men composed by wickedness. Though it has in it nothing divine, by making full use of that part of the soul which loves fable and is childish and foolish, it has induced men to believe that the monstrous tale is truth.

budaatum:
Unfortunately Josephus as evidence for Christ has been subject to additions by early Christians which makes his works not accepted as evidence for Christ, as folykaze has pointed out.

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man; if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross; those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again, the third day: as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html

The 18:063 passage above that I earlier cited has no addition or insertion by early Christians

Why dont you get hold of Antiquities of the Jews, Volume Three, Book 18 (i.e. Sedition of the Jews against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ. And what befel Paulina, and the Jews at Rome) then go to Chapter 3, to read the above and judge it on its merits

Your friend FOLYKAZE, adepts in cherry picking, deciding in when to choose and pick referencing Josephus or not referencing Josephus.

Without getting distracted, I am not advancing Josephus as evidence for Christ, but was giving a salient point that Josephus is one evidence coming of the existence of Jesus Christ coming from a non biblical literary account

budaatum:
But as I said, historical evidence for Christ is irrelevant to me as I do like what he is written to teach, as you've presented below. In Spirit is Christ relevant to me, and not physically.

John 20:29
Jesus said to him,
“Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed.
Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

God is Spirit. The only way you are able to relate with God physically, meaning with your physical five basic senses is, by proxy Jesus Christ

budaatum, in both Spirit and being physical is Christ relevant. The spirituality and physicality of Jesus, divinity and humanity that is are closely connected and appropriate to what is being considered, planned and done

budaatum:
I'd go further and state you can testify to my faith in my fellow human being, my hope in them, and my love too, for, inasmuch as I do for you whom I see, a God I see not and have no historical evidence for should be pleased. Not that I do it to please God, mind.

Faith, hope and love are necessary ingredients in the absence of empirical evidence.

Faith is based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

Hope, is about a feeling of expectation and desire for a particular thing to happen or be true

As for love, it centres round having the love for God, for self and for fellow human beings, in terms of compassion, care, caring, warm regard, solicitude, concern, warmth, friendliness, friendship, kindness, charity, goodwill, sympathy, kindliness, altruism, philanthropy, unselfishness, benevolence, brotherliness, sisterliness, fellow feeling etc to them

budaatum:
I wish it was required because the world would be a better place. Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on one's bent, we do have a choice in the matter as we see here.

You do have the choice to behave, and conduct yourself according to who you are, according to what your nature is. It is a gift called freewill. Its a free pass to exercise your fundamental human right the freedom of expression, the freedom to express yourself according to however or whatever your nature is

22jumpstreet:
Some people have taken this thread to another dimension. Back to the topic , is there any evidence that Jesus christ actually existed. The hard answer is NONE.

SO let's not over flog the issue.

You really amuse me with the underlined!
Because it's clear that you haven't known the spirit that's carrying along people around you, you think by reasoning along with them they will accept your Torah.
Well that's another EVIDENCE of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth who said:

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away" Matthew 24:35

"Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters" Luke 11:23

You may gather in one locality thinking you're about to start practicing what is WRITTEN in the Torah, you may even try to organize yourselves but you will never find a group of people that will agree completely on the Torah!

Here we have ATHEISTS who don't even want anyone or anything to influence their thinking so whether you try by subtle means to woo them thinking they'll dance to your turn after condemning Jesus or not they will never agree to submit themselves to any standard that's why they're called atheists!


Meanwhile there is a living undeniable EVIDENCE that Jesus walked this planet, i'm waiting for anyone to come and prove me wrong. After all if Jesus is just a fictitious character as some asserted. He couldn't have claimed to be a King yet controlling millions of people today actively working round the globe and conquering Kingdoms throughout the earth by picking up people from different races and making them obedient to Jesus' Commandments!
No human King ever has such influence after they're gone but this is 2,000 years after Rome the people you think fabricated the character wrote the story, shey?
Hen no wahala but come and tell me how a none existent character could have such power over millions living after 2,000 years!

MaxInDHouse:
The only EVIDENCE the world have today apart from what is WRITTEN in books (paper) about:

© Wright Brothers is aeroplane
© Benjamin Franklin is electricity
© Jesus is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

BassReeves:
Why dont you get hold of Antiquities of the Jews, Volume Three, Book 18 (i.e. Sedition of the Jews against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ. And what befel Paulina, and the Jews at Rome) then go to Chapter 3, to read the above and judge on its merits

Do you recall our conversation about the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and how I said Eve used her senses to ask and knock and seek? It is precisely for this reason that I can appreciate atheism, because of its anti-belief stance which makes one seek. Or can you not see that atheists spend a lot of time and effort seeking God even though they don't know or won't admit that's what they do. Part of that asking and knocking and seeking requires them to seek evidence for God, and for Christ, for which Josephus is required reading.

I'm saying, after reading Josephus like 25 years ago, and investigating critique of his writings, and reading various other writings about Christ, I have found it to be inconclusive as to whether Christ is real or not, but as I've said, that is irrelevant to me, after all, its not as if I have evidence for God either, and I certainly have not seen the Holy Spirit.

Thankfully, Christ is written to have given me a neat cope out with his "inasmuch as I do for those I see before me". And if I don't do for those before me and just yell Lord Lord, I am but a "resounding gong or a clanging cymbal", and I will incur a huge dentist bill from gnashing my teeth.

BassReeves:
The only way you are able to relate with God physically, meaning with you physical five basic senses is, by proxy Jesus Christ.

My way of relating with my God is by relating with you. It is the lesson of my favourite Parable of the Orangutan that Christ said I should go and emulate, and not the Priest and the Levite who sinned precisely because of their belief in God. And thankfully, some of my fruits are recorded here so I can see when I fail and correct my ways.

I don't worship God, Bass. I worship you my fellow human beings as proxy, using what is written about God to teach me how. It's why I abhor beliefs and appreciate understanding instead. You'd find on here that believers tend to not love those who differ to them and whom they see as their enemies, and most would definitely not turn the other cheek once not to talk of have hope and love and faith in or for their fellow human beings. If they did, the lamb and the lion would coexist, and the theist would love or at least have compassion for the atheist instead of constantly attacking each other.

Christians need to realise what it means to be the salt of the earth and not lose their saltiness, is what I think.

MISHIGAS!

Workch:
I don’t see anyone calling Plato, Archimede and Socrates gods. No one had said these guys died for everyone and if we don’t serve them, we go to hell. That’s a significant difference

CLASSICAL KNOWLEDGE WAS REMOVED FROM OUR SCHOOL CURRICULA BY THE 1970s- I PERSONALLY REMEMBER THAT LATIN WAS STOPPED BY 1973. THIS MADE SURE THAT WE WOULD HAVE NO FIRSTHAND UNDERSTANDING OF EUROPEAN PHILOSOPHY THAT IS BEING USED BY OYINBOS, THROUGH THEIR LOCAL COLLABORATORS, TO CONTROL OUR NATION.

All you must know about PLATO, ARCHIMEDES, and SOCRATES must be their names. Otherwise you would understand that the Oyinbos regard these Pedophiles as gods.

The martyr POLYCARP, about to be executed for his Faith, was offered Last Minute Amnesty, if he would just "swear by the genius of Caesar."

Therefore, when they speak of these men as "GENIUSES," the Oyinbos mean that they regard them as any other culture does their gods.

(1) THEIR JUDGMENTS ARE FINAL.

(2) ANYONE DISPUTING THEIR LAWS IS CONSIDERED TO BE AN INSANE HERETIC.

(3) ANYONE IGNORANT OF THEIR TEACHINGS IS CONSIDERED A BARBARIAN.

(4) ANYONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR TEACHINGS IS CONSIDERED INFERIOR IN INTELLIGENCE AND SHALLOW IN INTELLECT.

illicit:
Jesus lived and died like everybody else

UNDERCOVER ILLUMINATI SHILL DISINFORMATION AGENTS NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY ONE ANOTHER ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SO THAT THEY DO NOT SABOTAGE THEIR OWN TEAM.

The Posts they should have written are characterized by the omission of TERMINAL PUNCTUATION.

The most obvious thing about Lord Yeshua is that he did not live like everyone else, nor die like everyone else.

(1) LORD YESHUA WAS A Y'SRAELITE: Y'SRAELITES ARE NOT LIKE GENTILES.

A Y'sraelite male is dedicated to God by being Circumcized on their 8^th day.

By their 13^th through 20^th years they undergo a final dedication, initiated by the BAR MITZVAH Rite, during which they study THE TORAH, and acquire THE SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD, which consolidate the achievement of the apexes of the seven Heavenly Levels of Wisdom and Understanding.

From the reaction of their people, Yochannan Baptist and Lord Yeshua were the only Y'sraelites alive who did that.

(2) LORD YESHUA WALKED HOLY WITH GOD.

That is highly unusual.

Most Humans do not even know what HOLINESS is, let alone know anyone who has ever achieved It.

It is the highest state of Spiritual Energy Edification. It enables the effortless use of Spiritual Abilities.

(3) LORD YESHUA MADE EXTRAVAGANT PROMISES WHICH ARE BACKED UP WITH DIVINE POWER.

(4) LORD YESHUA DIED WITH SIGNS AND WONDERS AFTER SIGNIFICANT PHYSIOLOGICAL ABUSE- BUT RETURNED FROM THE DEAD, THREE DAYS LATER WITHOUT INJURY NOR IMPAIRMENT.

illicit:
He is not what the christains think he is

ARGUMENTS, CLAIMS, AND PROOFS AS TO WHO OR WHAT LORD YESHUA IS ARE IRRELEVANT- ONLY GOD: THE FATHER CAN TELL US WHO LORD YESHUA IS.

You are not fit to tell anyone who Lord Yeshua is.

illicit:
He was just ahead of his time

LORD YESHUA WAS NOT IN ANY WAY AHEAD OF HIS TIME, AND MERELY DELIVERED WHAT THE PROPHETS BEFORE HIM HAD PROMISED AND SUGGESTED.

illicit:
and killed for his difference by his own people,

ATHEISM IS CONSISTENT WITH ATTENTION-DEFICIT DISORDER.

I challenge you to show any account that shows Lord Yeshua being killed by Y'SRAELITES.

He was killed by the ROMANS who were not his people at all. Clearly, you have never even read The Bible before, and merely parrot what you have been told it says.

Upon examination, all Atheists seem to me to be basing their Hatred of The Bible on upon things they have been told were in The Bible, but aren't. Hearsay.

They are so stupid, that they throw away their ETERNAL DESTINIES, based on RUMOURS they were not intelligent enough to check first, and verify.

illicit:
they thought he was eccentric

THE PEOPLE WHO DELIVERED HIM FOR EXECUTION DID NOT THINK HIM "ECCENTRIC."

Everything he said and did was SCRIPTURALLY SUPPORTED.

The Sanhedrin could not prove him wrong Scripturally, so they used a MADE-UP-LAW to condemn him, for calking himself " THE SON OF GOD."

They claimed that CHILDREN were EQUAL with their PARENTS, so that if Yeshua were claiming to be THE SON OF GOD, then that meant that he was claiming to be equal with God.

[color=silver].[/color] WISDOM OF SOLOMON 2:10-22.

10. "Let us oppress
the poor Righteous man
let us not spare the widow,
nor reverence
the ancient gray hairs of the aged.
11. "Let our strength
be The Law of Justice:
for that which is feeble
is found to be nothing worth.
12. "Therefore let us lie in wait
for the Righteous;
because he is not for our turn,
and he is clean
contrary to our doings:
he upbraideth us
with our offending The Law,
and objecteth to our infamy
the transgressings of our education.
13. "He professeth to have
The Knowledge of God:
and he calleth himself
The Child of The LORD.
14. "He was made
to reprove our thoughts.
15. "He is grievous unto us
even to behold:
for his life is not like other men's,
his ways are of another fashion.
16. "We are esteemed of him
as counterfeits:
he abstaineth from our ways
as from filthiness:
he pronounceth
The End of The Just to be Blessed,
and maketh his boast
that God is his Father.
17. "Let us see
if his words be true:
and let us prove
what shall happen
in the End of him.
18. "For if The Just man
be The Son of God,
he will help him,
and deliver him
from the hand of his Enemies.
19. "Let us examine him
with despitefulness and torture,
that we may know his Meekness,
and prove his Patience.
20. "Let us condemn him
with a shameful Death:
for by his own saying
he shall be respected."

21. Such things they did imagine, and were deceived: for their own wickedness hath blinded them.
22. As for The Mysteries of God,
they knew Them not:
neither hoped they
for The Wages of Righteousness,
nor discerned a Reward
for Blameless Souls.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 15:1-20.

THEN came to Jesus
scribes and Pharisees,
which were of Jerusalem,
saying,

2. "Why do thy Disciples
transgress the Tradition
of the Elders?
For they wash not
their hands when
they eat bread."

3. But he answered
and Said unto them,

"Why do ye also transgress
The Commandment of God
by your Tradition?
4. "For God Commanded,
Saying,

'HONOUR THY FATHER
AND MOTHER:
AND, HE THAT CURSETH
FATHER OR MOTHER
LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.'

5. "But ye say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER,

"IT IS A GIFT,
BY WHATSOEVER
THOU MIGHTEST BE
PROFITED BY ME;"

6. 'AND HONOUR NOT
HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER,
HE SHALL BE FREE.'

Thus have ye made
The Commandment of God
of none effect
by your Tradition.
7. "Ye Hypocrites,
well did Esaias
Prophesy of you,
saying,

8. 'THIS PEOPLE
DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME
WITH THEIR MOUTH,
AND HONOURETH ME
WITH THEIR LIPS;
BUT THEIR HEART
IS FAR FROM ME.
9. 'BUT IN VAIN
THEY DO WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES
THE COMMANDMENTS
OF MEN.' "

10. And he called the multitude,
and Said unto them,

"Hear, and understand:
11. "Not that which goeth
into the mouth defileth a man;
but that which cometh
out of the mouth,
this defileth a man."

12. Then came his Disciples,
and Said unto him,

"Knowest thou that
the Pharisees were offended,
after they heard this Saying?"

13. But he answered and Said,

"Every plant,
which my Heavenly Father
hath not Planted,
shall be rooted up.
14. "Let them alone:
they be blind leaders
of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch."

15. Then answered Peter
and said unto him,

"Declare unto us this Parable."

16. And Jesus Said,

"Are ye also yet
without understanding?
17. "Do not ye yet understand,
that whatsoever entereth in
at the mouth
goeth into the belly,
and is cast out
into the draught?
18. "But those things
which proceed
out of the mouth
come forth from the heart;
and they defile the man.
19. "For out of the heart
proceed Evil Thoughts,
Murders, Adulteries,
Fornications, Thefts,
False Witness, Blasphemies:
20. These are the things
which defile a man:
but to eat with
unwashen hands
defileth not a man."

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 14:61-64.

61. But he held his peace,
and answered nothing.
Again the High Priest asked him,
and said unto him,

"Art thou the Christ,
The Son of the Blessed?"

62. And Jesus Said,

"I am:
and ye shall see
The Son of Man sitting on
The Right Hand of Power,
and coming in
The Clouds of Heaven."

63. Then The High Priest
rent his clothes,
and saith,

"What need we
any further witnesses?
64. "Ye have heard the Blasphemy:
what think ye?"

And they all condemned him
to be Guilty of Death.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 19:6-9.

6. When the Chief Priests
therefore and officers saw him,
they cried out,
saying,

"Crucify him, crucify him."

Pilate saith unto them,

"Take ye him,
and crucify him:
for I find no fault in him."

7. The Jews answered him,

"We have a Law,
and by our Law he ought to die,
because he made himself
The Son of God."

8. When Pilate therefore heard that saying,
he was the more afraid;
9. And went again into the Judgment Hall,
and saith unto Jesus,

"Whence art thou?"

But Jesus gave him no answer.

Workch:
many people are not really bothered about the existence of Plato or Socrates because they don’t play much significance in indoctrination of people and they have not played roles in making unverifiable claims like that of Jesus.

IN PLATO'S REPUBLIC, SOCRATES ARGUES THAT THE BEST PERSON TO KEEP YOUR MONEY FOR YOU IS A THIEF,[/] WHILE THE BEST PERSON TO EMPLOY TO PROTECT YOUR LIFE [i]IS A MURDERER.

I lost interest in reading any further.

Plato explained Western Civilization totally. No wonder they banned Latin and Greek from the Secondary School Curriculum!

Workch:
Jesus claimed to walk on water dude

ATHEISTS ARE LYING FOOLS, WHO BELIEVE OTHER ATHEISTS WHEN THEY TELL THEM LIES ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.

LORD YESHUA never, at any time, claimed to walk on water.

Workch:
and was born by a virgin,

LORD YESHUA NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN BORN BY A VIRGIN- DO YOU CLAIM THAT HE CLAIMED TO BE BORN BY A VIRGIN?

In the 21^st Century, any Virgin who wants to be impregnated without having sex can have it done.

As of the last Century, Oyinbo widows have been able to conceive children from their dead husbands, without having sexual intercourse.

The first Human Clone Baby, EVE, was born on 26^th December, 2002.

This would be the second Human Being in History to be born without Sexual Intercourse with the mother.

Only a complete fool would say that it was inconsistent with Yahweh God's Powers, to cause an offspring to be conceived without sexual intercourse.

Only an unintelligent person would say that LORD Yeshua's alleged Virgin Birth was inconsistent with his portrayed HEALING POWER: MAKING THE PARTIAL TO BE WHOLE.

Workch:
you need serious evidence to verify such miraculous claims?

IF THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN, WHY DON'T YOU FIRST SHOW EVIDENCE THAT LORD YESHUA EVER CLAIMED WHAT YOU ACCUSE HIM OF CLAIMING.

Workch:
The proof of the existence of Jesus means proof that a man That was born without fertilization ever existed.

PROVING THAT LORD YESHUA EXISTED DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TOWARDS PROVING THAT HE WAS BORN OF A VIRGIN!

That is the sort of delusional thinking that ATHEISTS are typically known for.

DISSOCIATIVE MENTAL MALADY.

Workch:
Prove that a man who feed 5,000 with 5loaves of bread and two fished existed.

THE BIBLE DOES NOT CLAIM ANYWHERE, THAT A MAN FED 5,000, OR 4,000 PEOPLE.

The Bible does nor say anywhere, that Lord Yeshua fed 5,000 or 4,000 people.

That is a widespread false Oyinbo Teaching, that hides The Truth about what really happened.

This and other Gospel Miracles were duplicated during the 1965 INDONESIAN REVIVAL. A certain sister was Commanded by THE HOLY GHOST to refresh an excess number of Brethren for the amount of food she had on hand.

What she had was TAPIOCA ROOTS, and TEA. When she protested that she did not have enough, The Spirit told her to merely proceed with what she had.

She was Commanded to serve the Brethren boiled Tapioca Roots. She began to serve the roots out of the pot. The Holy Ghost stopped her, and told her to hold a tuber in her hands, and break it, giving the Brother the half in her right hand.

She complied- then saw that the half in her left hand had become whole!

The Spirit told her to break it again.

She did so.

No matter how many times she broke the root, it kept on becoming whole again.

Finally, everyone had quite enough.

There was still only the one pot of tea.

She was Commanded to only pour out half the pot. She did so. But when she righted the pot, it became whole again.

It was a simple matter to pour everyone all the tea they wanted.

[See: LIKE A MIGHTY WIND, by Mel Tari (1972).]

Workch:
Prove that a man that walked on water ever existed.

DURING THE SAME REVIVAL, THREE BRETHREN WERE COMMANDED BY THE HOLY GHOST TO GO PREACH IN A STRANGE VILLAGE: WHEN THEY ATTEMPTED TO COMPLY, THEY FOUND THE ONLY ACCESS BLOCKED BY A DANGEROUS RIVER FLOOD.

One of the three reasoned that if God had sent them, but not mentioned the flood, He must have deemed it irrelevant to where or not they could go.

With that, he stepped into the river, and sank to his ankles, when he should have been drowning over his head!

He reported that he felt as though his feet were touching the bottom.

Realizing that God was moving, the other two followed him, and all three crossed safely.

Jeering unbelieving onlookers, who had expected to see them stymied, jeered that they had found some submerged log, or sandbar, and stampeded into the river at the same spot. (There would be no access to that village for month- it would be very important, should there be a way across, after all.)

They nearly all drowned.

Workch:
No man with the those attributes ever walked in this planet.

ATHEISTS KNOW THAT THEY ARE LIARS- WHY, DO THEY THEN BELIEVE OTHER ATHEISTS WHO PRETEND TO PRESENT HONEST RESULTS OF THEIR ALLEGED RESEARCH?

These people HATE GOD: why would they tell the truth?

A wicked man, who used to earn his living by pretending to have Psychic Powers, JAMES RANDI, has offered $1 million for anyone who can prove to him that Spiritual Powers exist.

In over thirty years, he claims to have found no proof such powers exist.

That tells me that anyone foolish enough to take him up on his offer must have been murdered, or lied against.

In America, you have FULL-GOSPEL PENTECOSTAL Churches on every city.

Finding one with real Power cannot be hard.

THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY WILL PROVE TO ANYONE THAT SUPERNATURAL POWERS EXIST- BY REHABILITATING THEIRS.

The CLEARGREEN^® school of CARLOS CASTANEDA'S TENSEGRITY^® has a similar programme.

What do you know about these people?

Nothing.

Yet you open your mouth foolishly, to dictate what GOD can/cannot do!

Workch:
Jesus in the real sense is a Roman concoction that translates into nothing.

ATHEISTS ARE LYING FOOLS, WHO KNOW THAT THEIR FELLOW ATHEISTS ARE LIARS LIKE THEM- AND YET THEY BELIEVE THEM WITHOUT VIEWING ANY EVIDENCE, WHEN THEY CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE PROOF THAT "LORD YESHUA WAS CREATED BY THE ROMANS!"

In 64AD, Emperor Nero blamed the Great Fire of Rome on Christians, and executes CEPHAS and PAUL.

For the next 249 years, the Roman Empire tried to exterminate Christians, until CONSTANTINE declared himself to be a Christian in 312AD, and issued THE EDICT OF MILAN with GALERIUS in 312AD- ending the persecution of proscribed Religions, including Christianity.

In 325AD, Emperor Constantine concerned the NICAEAN COUNCIL, attended by 318 Bishops, to decide the issue of THE ARIAN HERESY.

Internet Atheists claim that Christianity was invented there. Ignoring all of those other Churches, including the Ethiopian Church, that were much older.

You are too intellectually shallow- or financially sold-out- to know any of these basic facts.

22jumpstreet:
Only an enemy will tell you to love your enemies...

ANCIENT GREEK HAS AT LEAST 12 DIFFERENT TERMS THE ENGLISH BARBARIANS DISHONESTLY TRANSLATED "LOVE."

Eleven of those terms is used in the New Testament, while the only one which Laymen know [EROS: Romantic Love;] is not used in the New Testament.

The term that Lord Yeshua's Aramaic language was translated into was AGAPE: Altruistic Love.

The original King James Version Bible had 78 Books. The Ethiopian Bible has 88 Books.

. MATTHEW 5:7.

7. "Blessed (are) the Merciful:
for they shall obtain Mercy."

. ECCLESIASTICUS 28:1-4.

"He that revengeth
shall find Vengeance
from The LORD,
and He will surely
keep his Sins in Remembrance.
2. "Forgive thy Neighbour the Hurt
that he hath done unto thee,
so shall thy Sins also be forgiven
when thou prayest.
3. One man beareth hatred
against another,
and doth he seek pardon
from the Lord?
4. He sheweth no mercy
to a man,
which is like himself:
and doth he ask forgiveness
of his own Sins?"

LORD YESHUA DID NOT INVENT THE CONCEPT OF LOVING THOSE WHO HATE ONE- ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO NEED LORD YESHUA, ALL ALSO NEED FORGIVENESS AND MERCY FOR THEIR OWN SINS

How can one hate others, when one wants Mercy from God?

22jumpstreet:
Person wey want make you quick die....
Go on, embrace your enemies.
If you be US president you for don dey lick Russia and China ass...abi?

LORD YESHUA WAS NOT TALKING TO UNBELIEVING GODLESS FOOLS, LIKE YOURSELF, BUT PEOPLE OF GOD.

If you hate others, no matter the provocation or offense, you cannot have Mercy from God.

When you fight those whom you hate, YOU DO NOT HAVE GOD'S HELP, NOR COOPERATION- unless you have NO INIQUITIES of your own.

There is a beautiful Buddhist Parable, that says if you are fishing in a canoe, and another canoeist runs into you, you will get angry, and even seriously curse them, for being such an idiot.

But if the canoe is empty, you don't get angry, nor curse, because you know that there is nobody there.

IT IS THEREFORE RIDICULOUS TO HATE ENEMIES, WHEN, AS EMINEM SAYS, IF YOU KNOCK-KNOCK-KNOCK ON THEIR HEAD, YOU FIND NOBODY'S HOME.

Like Nairaland Atheists.

That you are a special human being with Faith, Hope and Prayers in Harry Potter.

Righteousness is Faith, Hope and Prayers in your Dreams..

Whether it is Fiction or Not, CHRIST is my DREAM in Whom I well pleased. I do not have Faith in Harry Potter nor in you because you can disappoint anybody anytime.

budaatum:
Do you recall our conversation about the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

I delightfully do remember our discussion revolving around the expressed command not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge Of Good And Evil.

budaatum:
and how I said Eve used her senses to ask and knock and seek?

Eve didnt ask the Owner of the Tree of the Knowledge Of Good And Evil for permission to eat of its fruit

budaatum:
It is precisely for this reason that I can appreciate atheism, because of its anti-belief stance which makes one seek. Or can you not see that atheists spend a lot of time and effort seeking God even though they don't know or won't admit that's what they do. Part of that asking and knocking and seeking requires them to seek evidence for God, and for Christ, for which Josephus is required reading.

I am both an ex committed atheist and ex committed agnostic

budaatum, if one has it in one, one has it. It simply is, it is what it is. Reading Josephus, without knowing how to separate the wheat from the chaff, is like going up a creek without a paddle and hence you wonder why people retain agnostic or remain atheist

budaatum:
I'm saying, after reading Josephus like 25 years ago, and investigating critique of his writings, and reading various other writings about Christ, I have found it to be inconclusive as to whether Christ is real or not, but as I've said, that is irrelevant to me, after all, its not as if I have evidence for God either, and I certainly have not seen the Holy Spirit.

Faith, hope and love sustains you where lacks empirical evidence. Remember the John 20:29b verse I earlier quoted that states:
' ... Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.'

Josephus' isnt the gospel, so dont be surprised you found it to be inconclusive as to whether Christ is real or not

Hebrews 11:1-2
'1Now faith is the assurance (title deed, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed),
and the evidence of things not seen
[the conviction of their reality—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses]
2For by this [kind of] faith the men of old gained [divine] approval.'

Dont copy Eve, relying on your carnal sense for evidence or proof, dont behave as she did. Have you physically seen faith, hope or love?
Watch this, faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen, as seen in Hebrews 11:1 above

budaatum:
Thankfully, Christ is written to have given me a neat cope out with his "inasmuch as I do for those I see before me". And if I don't do for those before me and just yell Lord Lord, I am but a "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/1%20Corinthians%2013%3A1]resounding gong or a clanging cymbal[/url]", and I will incur a huge dentist bill from gnashing my teeth.

Matthew 7:21-23
'21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.
22Many will say to Me on that day [when I judge them],
‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name,
and driven out demons in Your name, and done many miracles in Your name?’
23And then I will declare to them publicly, ‘
I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME [you are banished from My presence], YOU WHO ACT WICKEDLY [disregarding My commands].’''

budaatum, as you have believed, so let it be done for you.

budaatum:
My way of relating with my God is by relating with you. It is the lesson of my favourite Parable of the Orangutan that Christ said I should go and emulate, and not the Priest and the Levite who sinned precisely because of their belief in God. And thankfully, some of my fruits are recorded here so I can see when I fail and correct my ways.

Priests and Levites' personalities change, when you least expect. Good character is found in least expected places or quarters. Love does not discriminate, love is not biased, love is not bigoted, love is willing to put the needs or wishes of others before one's own. This is the essence of what Jesus, in Luke 10:25-37, using the 'The parable of the Good Samaritan' used to explain that we should love everyone, including our enemies.

All your good deeds and fruits are remembered in the sight of God, so dont relent

budaatum:
I don't worship God, Bass.

Deuteronomy 6:13
'You shall fear [only] the LORD your God;
and you shall worship or serve Him [with awe-filled reverence and profound respect]
and swear [oaths] by His name [alone].'

budaatum, you are expected to worship God.

budaatum:
I worship you my fellow human beings as proxy, using what is written about God to teach me how. It's why I abhor beliefs and appreciate understanding instead. You'd find on here that believers tend to not love those who differ to them and whom they see as their enemies, and most would definitely not turn the other cheek once not to talk of have hope and love and faith in or for their fellow human beings. If they did, the lamb and the lion would coexist, and the theist would love or at least have compassion for the atheist instead of constantly attacking each other.

Acts 10:25-26
'25As Peter was about to enter, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet to worship him.
26But Peter helped him up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.” '

Revelation 22:8-9
'8And I am John, who heard and saw these things.
And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things.
9But he said to me,
“Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book.
Worship God!” '

Deuteronomy 6:13
'You shall fear [only] the LORD your God;
and you shall worship or serve Him [with awe-filled reverence and profound respect]
and swear [oaths] by His name [alone].'

Luke 4:8
'And Jesus answered and said to him,
“Get behind Me, Satan!
For it is written,
‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”'

budaatum, every seed goes through the tremendous struggle, but thank God we are overcomers

budaatum:
Christians need to realise what it means to be the salt of the earth and not lose their saltiness, is what I think.

Matthew 5:13
'You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has lost its taste (purpose), how can it be made salty?
It is no longer good for anything, but to be thrown out and walked on by people [when the walkways are wet and slippery].'

OR

“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?
It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.'

Have you ever thought that its because Eve lost her saltiness or flavour, the moment she disregarded God's one and only command and consequently got thrown out of Eden because of it

Another question here for you budaatum, have you ever mused on the fact that if more christians properly and correctly read their bibles there'd be less and lesser christians

BassReeves:
budaatum, you are expected to worship God.

No I am not, Bass. Unless by worship you mean:

budaatum:
Worship (as far as buda is concerned) means:

Do my will, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12%3A30-31&version=NIV]love[/url] your neighbours, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A37-40&version=NKJV]do[/url] unto others as you will have them do unto you, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A12-15&version=NIV]forgive[/url] trespasses so your trespasses are forgiven, [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A35-40&version=NIV]feed[/url] the poor and “[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1%3A28&version=NIV]be[/url] fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the face of the earth.” "For in as much as ye have [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25%3A40&version=KJV]done[/url] to the least of these" ye shall dwell in the Tabernacle of the Lord and the the Holy Spirit will fill us more.

BassReeves:
Have you ever thought that its because Eve lost her saltiness or flavour, the moment she disregarded God's one and only command and consequently got thrown out of Eden because of it

Eve could only have lost her saltiness if she was the salt of the earth which she wasn't. And personally, any God that tells anyone not to eat fruits of knowledge is a bokoharam god that must be disobeyed, especially if it is found that that supposed god lied that you would die if you did.

BassReeves:
Another question here for you budaatum, have you ever mused on the fact that if more christians properly and correctly read their bibles there'd be less and lesser christians

There would be "lesser Christians" but there would be more Christ Followers, or shall I say doers of his will. The two are not the same thing.

Most Christians believe, while those who would do Christ's Will must first understand Christ's Will. And as I said, to understand Christ's Will one must eat the fruits of knowledge day and night and always. That is why we are informed that In the beginning was the Word and all things are created through and with it. The implication is, read it, but many fail to understand how it applies to the tree of knowledge and so completely miss the Tree of Life which is what Christ feeds those who would live eternally.

I can guarantee you will spend a large portion of your income purchasing fruits of knowledge for your kids and for yourself because you know that is what will give you and them a fruitful life and enable you to worship God as I've described above that one should.

budaatum:
No I am not, Bass. Unless by worship you mean:
Worship (as far as buda is concerned) means:

Do my will, love your neighbours, do unto others as you will have them do unto you, forgive trespasses so your trespasses are forgiven, feed the poor and “be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the face of the earth.” "For in as much as ye have done to the least of these" ye shall dwell in the Tabernacle of the Lord and the the Holy Spirit will fill us more.

Romans 12:1
'Therefore I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God,
to present your bodies [dedicating all of yourselves, set apart] as a living sacrifice,
holy and well-pleasing to God, which is your rational (logical, intelligent) act of worship.'

John 4:23-24
'23But the hour is coming, and is now here,
when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth,
for the Father is seeking such people to worship Him
24God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” '

To some degree pretty much, your listed, sums up how God is worshipped.

Funnily enough the other day light years back, when a friend was contesting he worship God, I gave him an analogy about a picturesque canvass I have hung on my living room wall and vase placed on the fireplace mantle, that as long as they both serve their purposes for being put where they are, then they're worshipping me. God blesses worshippers. You're doing well, just be mindful of not bringing the fruit of the ground to worship God with, as Cain did

budaatum:
Eve could only have lost her saltiness if she was the salt of the earth which she wasn't.

Genesis 2:18
'Now the LORD God said,
“It is not good (beneficial) for the man to be alone;
I will make him a helper [one who balances him—a counterpart who is] suitable and complementary for him.”'

OR

'And the LORD God said,
It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.'

Eve is God's pièce de résistance. How dare you say, Eve wasn't the salt of the earth, hmm? Adam exclaiming, said:
'At last, here is one of my own kind--Bone taken from my bone, and flesh from my flesh. 'Woman' is her name because she was taken out of man.'

Eve not only lost her saltiness, not only lost her flavour, but also lost her mojo, post eating the fruit before the hour had come (i.e. John 4:23)

budaatum:
And personally, any God that tells anyone not to eat fruits of knowledge is a bokoharam god that must be disobeyed, especially if it is found that that supposed god lied that you would die if you did.

budaatum rein in the emotions please. Listen, we live in a time based world. We crawl before we walk, walk before we run.

To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven. A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted. It was not the hour for Eve to pluck the fruit of the TKGE to eat. Period.

budaatum:
There would be "lesser Christians" but there would be more Christ Followers, or shall I say doers of his will. The two are not the same thing.

Hole in one. I cant beat or improve on your comment there.

budaatum:
Most Christians believe, while those who would do Christ's Will must first understand Christ's Will.

Eve believed, Cain believed. Uzzah believed. Nadab and Abihu, believed. I can go on with others who believed. The road to hell is paved with good intentions of Christians believe

budaatum:
And as I said, to understand Christ's Will one must eat the fruits of knowledge day and night and always.

With the utmost respect and humility dare I say you're perverting the word of God

budaatum:
That is why we are informed that In the beginning was the Word and all things are created through and with it. The implication is, read it, but many fail to understand how it applies to the tree of knowledge and so completely miss the Tree of Life which is what Christ feeds those who would live eternally.

budaatum, please why not give a thorough biblical hermeneutics and epistemological breakdown of individually what 'Good', 'Evil' and even as a whole, the 'Tree' itself, symbolises in the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil framework

budaatum:
I can guarantee you will spend a large portion of your income purchasing fruits of knowledge for your kids and for yourself because you know that is what will give you and them a fruitful life and enable you to worship God as I've described above that one should.

To what end is having knowledge, if it is used inappropriately?

Makes you wonder and appreciate that knowledge that can make miracles happen needs to be guarded carefully, as if it falls into the wrong hands, miracles become disasters in no time.

The great paradox about parenting is that, it moves in both slow motion and fast speed. How do you explain the birds and the bees to a kid without horrifying, traumatising and scaring him/her with that sort of unprepared for yet, fruits of knowledge? Wisdom and understanding tops more than knowledge

budaatum:
Don't you think you should have read it before presenting it as evidence?

That was an oversight. Never really look into the content on the page. Was really concern on the fact that Jesus ben Damneus was a high priest of the Herodian second temple.

Workch:
As far as we know, there is no verifiable evidence that Jesus ever walked on earth.

Maybe I am wrong, can anyone provide us with evidence outside of the Christian texts that Jesus ever existed?

Yes, there are other texts, notably by Josephus, a former Jew who the Romans captured and employed as a historian.

From Wikipedia: "He (Josephus) describes the Sadducees, Jewish High Priests of the time, Pharisees and Essenes, the Herodian Temple, Quirinius' census and the Zealots, and such figures as Pontius Pilate, Herod the Great, Agrippa I and Agrippa II, John the Baptist, James the brother of Jesus, and Jesus."

A link to Josephus' writings: https://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/JOSEPHUS.HTM

From his writings, "Antiquities of the Jews - Book XVIII" :

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

Workch:
As far as we know, there is no verifiable evidence that Jesus ever walked on earth.

Maybe I am wrong, can anyone provide us with evidence outside of the Christian texts that Jesus ever existed?

DappaD:
Can you give verifiable evidence that Greek philosophers like Socrates, Plato & Archimedes walked the earth? Apart from their writings, secular records and the statues erected in their name, any other evidence they existed and not some figment of one’s imagination?

Of course, atheists will have no problem agreeing that such persons existed, due to their contributions to academia—mathematics and physics. Even some of their empty words and quotes are revered by so-called “intellectuals” in our day. Yet nobody alive today has any other proof that such persons existed other than what was written and accomplished in their name.

If we apply the same logic to this first century Jew by the name of Jesus, we find out that even the evidence in support of his existence cannot be inadmissible. Nobody alive today has seen Jesus the same way nobody has seen any of those Greek philosophers, yet what Jesus said and did is recorded in yet another ancient record which came to be known as the “New Testament”.

The wisdom in Jesus’ teachings proved to be superior to all those other false wisdom in his day, particularly from those Greek philosophers. Because unlike they, Jesus actually taught people how to resolve issues and matters that could lead to bloodshed, to improve in their interpersonal relationships with others, to be at peace with even their enemies and how to gain real happiness and satisfaction—something that none of those Greek philosophers had the real solutions to.

Even extrabiblical writers like Josephus and Tertullian wrote in favour of this man called Jesus and his followers. Although the latter went in over his head a bit, the fact remains that as long as the theories of an ancient figure proves to be working and functional—like it does with the other Greek philosophers—then it also does mean that this man called Jesus also existed since his teachings are currently beneficial to a very large extent in the lives of millions today.

Just returning from now reading the original post and pleased to see above that Josephus non biblical account mentioned to OP

but I was bemused by not finding any mentioning anywhere of Ọrunmila, (i.e. 'Ọrun, Lo Mọ, Ẹni To Ma La') especially when Ọrunmila, one out of my respected and favourite philosophers, is believed to have existed a lot long earlier than Socrates had.

For any interested 'Ọrun, Lo Mọ, Ẹni To Ma La' translated means 'Heaven, knows the saved ones'.

budaatum:
Your source does not say the "brother of Jesus who was called Christ, whose name was James" is the same "Jesus, the son of Damneus High Priest".

You yourself said:

The source actually said:

Festus was now dead; and Albinus was but upon the road. So he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James

The source yet again didn't say Jesus there is Jesus ben Damneus, the high priest because it was an obvious literal doctored testimony. An open mind would easily find out that Jesus ben Damneus was altered and replaced with 'who was called Christ'.

budaatum:
But I guess since you don't even read your own sources, so one shouldn't really bother asking you!

That question was thrown at you to help you see the illogical submission that the Jesus mentioned an Antiquities XX is Jesus of Nazareth. I had thought you and BassReeves will easily identify the inconsistencies in the Testimonium, and that the original form of the passage can never be gotten again.

FOLYKAZE:
The source yet again didn't say Jesus there is Jesus ben Damneus, the high priest because it was an obvious literal doctored testimony. An open mind would easily find out that Jesus ben Damneus was altered and replaced with 'who was called Christ'.

As I earlier said to budaatum, reading Josephus without the ability of knowing how to separate the wheat from the chaff is like as if going up a creek in a canoe and without a paddle

FOLYKAZE:
That question was thrown at you to help you see the illogical submission that the Jesus mentioned an Antiquities XX is Jesus of Nazareth. I had thought you and BassReeves will easily identify the inconsistencies in the Testimonium, and that the original form of the passage can never be gotten again.

There is no inconsistency about Jesus and who He is, in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, Volume Three, Book 18 (i.e. Sedition of the Jews against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ. And what befel Paulina, and the Jews at Rome) Chapter 3, section below:

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man; if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross; those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again, the third day: as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html

BassReeves:
As I earlier said to budaatum, reading Josephus without the ability of knowing how to separate the wheat from the chaff is like as if going up a creek in a canoe and without a paddle

There is no inconsistency about Jesus and who He is, in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews, Volume Three, Book 18 (i.e. Sedition of the Jews against Pontius Pilate. Concerning Christ. And what befel Paulina, and the Jews at Rome) Chapter 3, section below:

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man; if it be lawful to call him a man. For he was a doer of wonderful works; a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross; those that loved him at the first did not forsake him. For he appeared to them alive again, the third day: as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/ant-18.html

It's so disappointing that I trusted you will see the inconsistencies in the Testimonium Flavianum by reading a little more. But please for the sake of those following this thread, I will point out the inconsistencies.

Firstly, Testimonium Flavianum was first mentioned by Eusebius of Ceasera in his voluminous publication titled Church History.

Secondly, in the Testimonium, Eusebius mentioned that Josephus recorded in the Antiquities about the Jewish suffering and the siege of the temple was a punishment for slewing James, the just man.

Thirdly, Eusebius rooted his argument on Origen commentaries on Matthew’s Gospel and Against Celsus.

Fourthly, in these two references Eusebius cited, it is mentioned there that:
i. "" And the wonderful thing is, that, though he (Josephus) did not accept Jesus as the Christ,... ""
ii. ""Now this writer (Josephus), although not believing in Jesus as the Christ...""

Fifthly, Origen commentaries indicated he had before him copies of Josephus Wars and Antiquities. However, from his own copies, Josephus neither accept Jesus as Christ nor does Josephus believe Jesus as Christ.

VI. Regarding calling James the brother of Jesus, Origen does not say that he is quoting anything verbatim from Josephus.


VII. Josephus didn't attribute the fall of Jerusalem to the death of James.


Isn't it therefore glaring that Origen's Josephus did not accept or believe Jesus as Christ, but Eusebius cooked up a Testimonium wherein his own version of Josephus believes, accepts, and acknowledge that Jesus is Christ?

The contradiction gave an hint that there are two Josephus' publications here, and one is fake. Well, it isn't worth too much investigation before one could point out that that of Eusebius is fraud.

1. Eusebius Testimonium became known in the fourth century. Yet, those who were before him, Justin Martyr 140AD, Clement of Alexandria 192AD, Tertullian 193AD, and our known Origen 230AD didn't know about this testimony.

2. Eusebius is a known forger. He cooked up a correspondence between Jesus and Lord and Abgar at Edessa. Joseph Wheless in Forgery In Christianity, and Bart Ehrman in Forgery and counter-forgery shows overwhelming evidences that Eusebius forged the correspondence and another one between Paul and Seneca.

3. Pious fraud isn't a new thing in christiandom. Martin Luther was quoted saying "What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church ... a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them."

4. Been the only person in possession of the Testimonium in the fourth century, it is evident that Eusebius tampered the original work of Josephus.

Workch:
It doesn’t matter why it is, if there’s no evidence for Jesus, even if we don’t have evidence that Buhari exit, it’s still not a justification for the existence of Jesus.

I'm not using that to prove the existence of Jesus. I'm using it to show how silly the premise for your logic is. Geez!.

Workch:
It becomes a fair equalivalence we you present Jesus’d writing. You now get why it’s a faulty equivalence?

You believe Socrates existed without his writing (but through another person's writing). But to believe Jesus existence, you need His writing. Do you see what I'm pointing out to you?