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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 2:46pm On Aug 05, 2021
I heard from the grapevine that you gayners are piling defenders upon defenders


Good old Arsenal
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 3:27pm On Aug 05, 2021
kokaneprodigy:
I heard from the grapevine that you gayners are piling defenders upon defenders


Good old Arsenal
Werey grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 3:58pm On Aug 05, 2021
BlueRayDick:
I hope this is true, it's high time we start selling before the season begins Jàre
If we do this deal, them be sure that Maddison will come. Na money hold am.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:18pm On Aug 05, 2021
kokaneprodigy:
I heard from the grapevine that you gayners are piling defenders upon defenders


Good old Arsenal
Lol... Good old arsenal does not pile defenders upon defenders.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 4:22pm On Aug 05, 2021
Jodera:
Lol... Good old arsenal does not pile defenders upon defenders.
I miss the good old Arsenal, that’s the Arsenal I want to see, not this drab that can’t string passes.

Someone will soon justify the additions at the back with “defence wins you league”
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:50pm On Aug 05, 2021
kokaneprodigy:

I miss the good old Arsenal, that’s the Arsenal I want to see, not this drab that can’t string passes.

Someone will soon justify the additions at the back with “defence wins you league”
grin grin grin

Please, let us don't go back to this bolded abeg grin

I miss that arsenal sha.
Na long walk to reach that height again oo embarassed
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Akinbahm(m): 5:48pm On Aug 05, 2021
kokaneprodigy:

I miss the good old Arsenal, that’s the Arsenal I want to see, not this drab that can’t string passes.

Someone will soon justify the additions at the back with “defence wins you league”

This time around it gonna be keeper wins you league.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 7:13pm On Aug 05, 2021
kokaneprodigy:

I miss the good old Arsenal, that’s the Arsenal I want to see, not this drab that can’t string passes.

Someone will soon justify the additions at the back with “defence wins you league”
But jokes apart. If you want to achieve anything in life, the first place to start building is your fence (defense).

That's why good teams attack from the back and defend from the front.

That's why Liverpool paid millions for a goalkeeper and a defender to win the league and CL. Same did Man City and Chelsea.

That's what Ferguson and Mohammed Ali believed.

I know some people will misconstrue this and start arguing blindly.
It's not saying only defense will win you league, or don't build attack.

It is saying the best method is to start with strengthening defense first before attack.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Lana1(m): 7:20pm On Aug 05, 2021
Kokaneprodigy are you thinking what i'm thinking cool

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 7:27pm On Aug 05, 2021
Akinbahm:


This time around it gonna be keeper wins you league.
It’s even worse than I thought
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 8:59pm On Aug 05, 2021
Sapa really hold our club oo...
Messi dey available, see as most fans dey hope their club can sign him...
We just dey, dey look from window grin grin


Chai embarassed embarassed
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 9:01pm On Aug 05, 2021
It just got me thinking how a great business one in a life time opportunity or investment presents itself at a cheap price, but even the cheap price dey expensive for you grin grin grin
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 9:39pm On Aug 05, 2021
Jodera:
Sapa really hold our club oo...
Messi dey available, see as most fans dey hope their club can sign him...
We just dey, dey look from window grin grin


Chai embarassed embarassed

Messi to Arsenal is a done deal already cool

No doubt am. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he ...(abi wetin be that famous memory verse )

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by ObaIgwe1: 10:04pm On Aug 05, 2021
BlueRayDick:
I hope this is true, it's high time we start selling before the season begins Jàre

I don't know why I am not excited with this. I hope we don't regret this sale like that of Martinez. Willock might just explode next season with value worth more than even Maddison.

For now, I rate Madison more than Willock definitely... but for the records.. both scored the same amount of goals last season, but Willock started in much fewer games than Maddison. We have no idea what we will get next season.

Anyway, it's Arteta's call. He will get the biggest stick if things go wrong.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 10:28pm On Aug 05, 2021
BlueRayDick:


Messi to Arsenal is a done deal already cool

No doubt am. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he ...(abi wetin be that famous memory verse )
Lol... Na d famous verse be that

Sha na only think we go thinketh... And na there e go end cheesy
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 10:41pm On Aug 05, 2021
ObaIgwe1:


I don't know why I am not excited with this. I hope we don't regret this sale like that of Martinez. Willock might just explode next season with value worth more than even Maddison.

For now, I rate Madison more than Willock definitely... but for the records.. both scored the same amount of goals last season, but Willock started in much fewer games than Maddison. We have no idea what we will get next season.

Anyway, it's Arteta's call. He will get the biggest stick if things go wrong.
Don't worry, just relax. Even if Willock blow, no problem. Fact is, he wouldn't blow if he stays with us. I think he should move to where he is more appreciated and where he can get game time.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 4:46am On Aug 06, 2021
ObaIgwe1:


I don't know why I am not excited with this. I hope we don't regret this sale like that of Martinez. Willock might just explode next season with value worth more than even Maddison.

For now, I rate Madison more than Willock definitely... but for the records.. both scored the same amount of goals last season, but Willock started in much fewer games than Maddison. We have no idea what we will get next season.

Anyway, it's Arteta's call. He will get the biggest stick if things go wrong.

This Martinez regret story again? I thought it was common knowledge Martinez wanted to leave ; it’s either he’s made the number 1 keeper or he leaves especially after his heroic showings in Leno’s absence . The club was sure not going to sell Leno for him cos it’s not like Leno was some Joe hart or Kepa kinda keeper but a very good keeper at that time. Arsenal’s woes last season has nothing to do with the keeper we sold( if u doubt this , go and check the number of errors leading to goal done by both keepers last season at their respective clubs , it was both the same 1) .

We fans just get overtly emotional seeing Martinez racking up clean sheets upon clean sheets at Villa , but we are not looking at how balanced that Villa team had become ..... them Tyron Mings , cash and other players did well last season while arsenal players didn’t get their mojo.

As regards Willock vs Maddison, you already said we have no idea of what we will get next season from willock. He’s been here for a while , we’ve seen him play AM role and he’s not been spectacular ..... Now we have the opportunity in bringing in a top quality player in that position , I think it’s not a bad thing cashing in on willock’s “explosiveness “ at this point in time.!
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 5:09am On Aug 06, 2021
BlueRayDick:


This Martinez regret story again? I thought it was common knowledge Martinez wanted to leave ; it’s either he’s made the number 1 keeper or he leaves especially after his heroic showings in Leno’s absence . The club was sure not going to sell Leno for him cos it’s not like Leno was some Joe hart or Kepa kinda keeper but a very good keeper at that time. Arsenal’s woes last season has nothing to do with the keeper we sold( if u doubt this , go and check the number of errors leading to goal done by both keepers last season at their respective clubs , it was both the same 1) .

We fans just get overtly emotional seeing Martinez racking up clean sheets upon clean sheets at Villa , but we are not looking at how balanced that Villa team had become ..... them Tyron Mings , cash and other players did well last season while arsenal players didn’t get their mojo.

As regards Willock vs Maddison, you already said we have no idea of what we will get next season from willock. He’s been here for a while , we’ve seen him play AM role and he’s not been spectacular ..... Now we have the opportunity in bringing in a top quality player in that position , I think it’s not a bad thing cashing in on willock’s “explosiveness “ at this point in time.!
Why not compare them in Toto
Only error leading to goal is not good enough
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 6:00am On Aug 06, 2021
iamoyindamola:

Why not compare them in Toto
Only error leading to goal is not good enough

What comparison do u want me to do ?

How many goals did Leno mistakenly let in last season ? .... How many games did we lose last season and we all come here to moan it was Leno’s fault ?

U see most arsenal fans are just emotional when it comes to Martinez and I understand it perfectly well. It hits real good when u see a player u sold doing perfectly well in his new club , but my point is ; did Leno prove to be a bad choice ? Obviously No!

U guys are making it seem like we kept kepa and sold Becker Allison of some sort . We all know that’s not true, I’ve said it times without numbers that both Martinez and Leno are good keepers, obviously we couldn’t afford to keep both happy in the same team and a decision was made. That’s the kind of decision one has to make when u get to top management level .
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 6:09am On Aug 06, 2021
BlueRayDick:


What comparison do u want me to do ?

How many goals did Leno mistakenly let in last season ? .... How many games did we lose last season and we all come here to moan it was Leno’s fault ?

U see most arsenal fans are just emotional when it comes to Martinez and I understand it perfectly well. It hits real good when u see a player u sold doing perfectly well in his new club , but my point is ; did Leno prove to be a bad choice ? Obviously No!

U guys are making it seem like we kept kepa and sold Becker Allison of some sort . We all know that’s not true, I’ve said it times without numbers that both Martinez and Leno are good keepers, obviously we couldn’t afford to keep both happy in the same team and a decision was made. That’s the kind of decision one has to make when u get to top management level .
Who is better between the 2
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 6:34am On Aug 06, 2021
iamoyindamola:

Who is better between the 2

As at the time of Martinez’s sale they were at par. Leno edged him having proven himself over a longer period.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 8:29am On Aug 06, 2021
*Here is why selling Willock is a bad idea.*

This is our present squad which is bloated.

Gk-
Leno, Okonkwo (2)

Def-
Bellerin, Chambers, Cedric, Tierney, Taveres, Kolasinac, Holding, White, Gabriel, Mari (10)

Mid-
Xhaka, Partey, Lokonga, Elneny, AMN, Torriera, Willock, Azeez, ESR (9)

Att-
Aubameyang, Lacazette, Nketiah, Balogun, Saka, Pepe, Martinelli, Nelson (cool

A balance squad should have 3goalies, 8defenders, 7midfielders and 7attackers.

To make our squad balance we need a goalie and an AM. We also need to offload two defenders (a RB and a LB), three midfielders (all CMs), and an attacker.

But we must be keeping our younger players as squad players to improve their value so that it's the older ones that should be leaving.

They are, Bellerin or Cedric, Kolasinac, Elneny, Torriera, and AMN. Nelson who is the lowest in pecking order of attackers could be sent on loan after a contract extension otherwise he should be sold.

We have no reason to sell Willock as there are many uselessness that could be offloaded. This is not a time to make profit but to balance the team. This balance will go a long way in preparing the squad for Europe next season (if we qualify and we should) and also improve the value of our younger players before finally offloading those that do not meet the objective whenever they turn 24 (eg AMN)

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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 8:34am On Aug 06, 2021
BlueRayDick:


What comparison do u want me to do ?

How many goals did Leno mistakenly let in last season ? .... How many games did we lose last season and we all come here to moan it was Leno’s fault ?

U see most arsenal fans are just emotional when it comes to Martinez and I understand it perfectly well. It hits real good when u see a player u sold doing perfectly well in his new club , but my point is ; did Leno prove to be a bad choice ? Obviously No!

U guys are making it seem like we kept kepa and sold Becker Allison of some sort . We all know that’s not true, I’ve said it times without numbers that both Martinez and Leno are good keepers, obviously we couldn’t afford to keep both happy in the same team and a decision was made. That’s the kind of decision one has to make when u get to top management level .
I agree with you. Most of the errors made by Leno were induced by the managers insistence that he should almost always play out from the back, some thing Martinez is not subjected to at Villa. Take that away, we have a very good goal keeper. Arteta knows this and will never question Leno's ability.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 8:38am On Aug 06, 2021
BlueRayDick:


As at the time of Martinez’s sale they were at par. Leno edged him having proven himself over a longer period.
You can't say they were on par na, one has to be better than the other
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 8:41am On Aug 06, 2021
Spy360:

I agree with you. Most of the errors made by Leno were induced by the managers insistence that he should almost always play out from the back, some thing Martinez is not subjected to at Villa. Take that away, we have a very good goal keeper. Arteta knows this and will never question Leno's ability.
So if the manager tell leno to put his hands inside fire he will, that one thing martinez will never do
Put his team under pressure, leno can't smell danger at all he will rather foolishly pass t his teammates when they are on pressure instead of playing it long.
That alone make me lose faith in him, we conceded stupid goals cos of this silly error
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Nobody: 8:45am On Aug 06, 2021
Lana1:
Kokaneprodigy are you thinking what i'm thinking cool
Can Messi play Centre Back?
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 8:45am On Aug 06, 2021
iamoyindamola:

So if the manager tell leno to put his hands inside fire he will, that one thing martinez will never do
Put his team under pressure, leno can't smell danger at all he will rather foolishly pass t his teammates when they are on pressure instead of playing it long.
That alone make me lose faith in him, we conceded stupid goals cos of this silly error
On this area you are right too because if you ask me to choose one out of the two right now, it will be Martinez without even doing calculations.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 8:46am On Aug 06, 2021
The way we badly need money ehn if they wan buy arteta we go sell the idiot
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 10:35am On Aug 06, 2021
iamoyindamola:

So if the manager tell leno to put his hands inside fire he will, that one thing martinez will never do
Put his team under pressure, leno can't smell danger at all he will rather foolishly pass t his teammates when they are on pressure instead of playing it long.
That alone make me lose faith in him, we conceded stupid goals cos of this silly error

You don’t understand that in football u have to play to coach’s instruction. From day one Arteta has shown he’s a coach that likes to build up play from the back even when he doesn’t have the right set of players to prosecute this .

Leno is under the instruction to play from the back , if he decides to act otherwise he will get an earful from the coach after the game.

I once played amateur football and I understand coaches dislike players who don’t play to instruction. I’ve seen good players relegated to the bench due to this.
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 10:40am On Aug 06, 2021
BlueRayDick:


You don’t understand that in football u have to play to coach’s instruction. From day one Arteta has shown he’s a coach that likes to build up play from the back even when he doesn’t have the right set of players to prosecute this .

Leno is under the instruction to play from the back , if he decides to act otherwise he will get an earful from the coach after the game.

I once played amateur football and I understand coaches dislike players who don’t play to instruction. I’ve seen good players relegated to the bench due to this.
Martinez also plays from back, my point is leno over do it especially when his teammates are close down he will still pass
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by kodded(m): 10:42am On Aug 06, 2021
BlueRayDick:


You don’t understand that in football u have to play to coach’s instruction. From day one Arteta has shown he’s a coach that likes to build up play from the back even when he doesn’t have the right set of players to prosecute this .

Leno is under the instruction to play from the back , if he decides to act otherwise he will get an earful from the coach after the game.

I once played amateur football and I understand coaches dislike players who don’t play to instruction. I’ve seen good players relegated to the bench due to this.

A good caoch should play to the player strengths and not their weakness, it was so obvious that passing out from the back was one of Leno weakness
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 10:46am On Aug 06, 2021
kodded:


A good caoch should play to the player strengths and not their weakness, it was so obvious that passing out from the back was one of Leno weakness
I think common sense is responsible here. The question of when and when not to. That one is entirely up to the player.

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