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Truvelisback:
How was he a man? How is he proving stubborn? How can u handle the situation?

Truvelisback:
The Bible says he(Melchizedek) has no father nor mother. And u said he was a man. How did he come into existence? Did he fall from heaven? Don't teach what u don't know.

sagenaija:
Did you watch the video or read the write up?
Did you notice the use of 'this man' in the book of Hebrews in reference to him?
A little attention to details will do you a bit of good.

Janosky:
Juxtapose Hosea 12:3-4 & John 1:1 Greek interlinear screenshot.
Is Jesus the word the God?
"Emusan go dodge the Bible truth as usual."
Yes ,he did. He no fall my hand.

sagenaija:
It would be instructive for you and MaxinDHouse to CAREFULLY watch this and see how it punches holes on your translation.
You can't use one one standard in one portion and switch to another elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0u9--7ndXs

MaxInDHouse:
This is how to know people who are easily carried away by every windblow!
If you've watch or listen to any video what will prove that you got the sense in it is when you are able to put it in your own words. Directing others to someone's else speech shows how immature you are!

sagenaija:
I didn't know that you know all things and rely on no other person.
Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.
Proverbs 15:22 NIV

When your colleague Janosky pasted someone else's material are you saying he's cheap or immature too?

If you don't have much data just watch only the first ten minutes of the video. Ten minutes should not cost you much; should it?
However, if you are afraid of having your faith in your position shaken then you may run for cover.

What the man is saying is this: those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 into "the Word was a god" in other portions that had the same Greek wordings, even in the same John's gospel. The question is: How come?

I hope I've helped you a little.

MaxInDHouse:
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sagenaija:
I didn't know that you know all things and rely on no other person.
Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed.
Proverbs 15:22 NIV

When your colleague Janosky pasted someone else's material are you saying he's cheap or immature too?

If you don't have much data just watch only the first ten minutes of the video. Ten minutes should not cost you much; should it?
However, if you are afraid of having your faith in your position shaken then you may run for cover.

What the man is saying is this: those who translated the New World Translation did not use the same yardstick they used in translating John 1:1 into "the Word was a god" in other portions that had the same Greek wordings, even in the same John's gospel. The question is: How come?

I hope I've helped you a little.

Cheap FRAUD of a Sage & his LYING mentor.

Greek lexicon 1510 2316
= was (g1510) a god (2316).
John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 is the same exact Greek wordings.
Sagenaija go & confirm this fact @ Acts 28:6 & John 1:1.

Janosky:
Cheap FRAUD of a Sage & his LYING mentor.

Greek lexicon 1510 2316
= was (g1510) a god (2316).
John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 is the same exact Greek wordings.
Sagenaija go & confirm this fact @ Acts 28:6 & John 1:1.

sagenaija:
At 2316 did you see "especially the supreme divinity"? Why skip that from the source you pasted?

@ Greek John 1:1, John 14:1 & John 20:17 is Jesus Greek 3588 Greek 2316 ?

sagenaija:
I see that giving you too many things to chew on at once doesn't help you.

The thing is this: If a group wants me to believe them and I find out that they have misinterpreted the basis on which they make their claims, would it be wise of me to still follow such a group? No matter how good their other qualities are? An INTELLIGENT person should be the last person to want to go ahead with such a group.

If a group is found to have used its DOGMA to REINTERPRET the Scripture, how can we trust them for anything else?

That is the issue MaxinDHouse. I hope it is plain enough.

Janosky:
In the John 1:1 Greek interlinear, did you, sagenaija, see the supreme divinity ?
@ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 is a "god" Supreme divinity?
In your Dictionary, is "a god" supreme divinity?

sagenaija:
Let me make it easier for you:
In john 1: 18 what is the Strong's number for the 'God' translated there in two (2) places?
Are there two different numbers for the two times it is used or one and same number?

Bros, you are still dodging these questions:
In the John 1:1 Greek interlinear, did you, sagenaija, see the supreme divinity ?
@ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6 is a "god" the Supreme divinity?
In your Dictionary, is "a god" the supreme divinity?


@ Greek John 1:1, John 14:1 & John 20:17 is Jesus Greek 3588 Greek 2316 ?

@ John 1:18 "Begotten theos (god)."
Sagenaija, No proof, ooo.
More so, most Bible versions renders verse 18
"Only begotten son."
Begotten in the spiritual realm.
Who beget his God & Father?

Mark you, the word "g1510 g2310 a god", divine/godlike.

sagenaija:
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Maturity demands that we stick to the issue in focus.
Any organisation is guided by set principles and I want to believe that yours depends on the Bible. If your organisation's understanding (which comes from your interpretation of the Bible) is wrong then you can begin to see how that will affect all your positions about issues.

If you are wrong about a CORE issue of the Bible then all you do may simply end up being wood, hay and stubble. It is that serious.
If you are wrong about John 1:1 then maybe you are worshipping a different god and not really JEHOVAH.

Emusan:
I just love the way you're exposing your shameless lying mouth here.

The question is, where did the scripture says Jesus is Michael? You haven't be able to provide that.

You can keep salivating on your ignorance, the same Amplified Bible and Geneva Bible say Jesus is God, and Jesus can't be both God and Angel, definitely it's your wack tiny brain that couldn't grab their messages as usual

Genesis 16:7, Malachi 3:1 Amplified Bible.
When your Trinitarian mentors & his friend KNOWMORE56 can't save Emusan from his DELUSION,no one else can.
Bros, Where did your Trinitarian friend, KNOWMORE56 learn that Jesus Christ is Archangel Michael?
Go meet them for tutorials.

Isaiah 6:6-8 proven that Yahweh is NOT angel, rather Yahweh sends angels.

Emusan:
[s]As usual very shallow and incoherent reasoning and application of Scripture.
Oponu the great JaNosense!
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I said Williams Tyndale Bible agreed with 99% of Trinitarian Bibles ,can you see the reason why you're a deluded and ignorant somebody?

So Amplified Bible is part of 1%

Now, why did the same Williams Tyndale Bible so DEFER from your NWT demonic translation?

Emusan:
[s]JaNosense, I wonder how you pass your O'level and I just pray your children won't inherit this dumbness.
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I'm still looking for where Bible called Jesus ANGEL, just your delusional idea.

Emusan:
But Jehovah used him to CREATE other things

Is this not self deceit?

And Jesus created you....which means He is your creator.

But forcing scripture to say Jesus is archangel Michael, isn't that a granular delusion?

Mark 19:4-6, Jesus Christ says you are LYING.
Jesus Christ further confirmed Genesis 1:27, Genesis14:19, 1 Corinthians 8:6 is true.

Jehovah God the Creator used him (Jesus Christ), his worker, Craftsman.

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and [b]the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me".
Jesus Christ is a messenger/angel of Jehovah his Father
John the Baptizer is Jehovah's angel, Matthew 11:10,Douay-Rheims Bible
"For this is he of whom it is written: Behold I send my angel before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee".
Greek lexicon 32, aggelos

both of us must rely only on what we read in the Bible, no dogmas or opinions cooked up in the name of any spirit. We must both rely solely on the facts we find in the Bible!

sagenaija:
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Your EXACT WORDS:
Are you now moving away from the above statements of yours to 'PRACTICAL RESULTS'?

sagenaija:
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Your EXACT WORDS:

Are you now moving away from the above statements of yours to 'PRACTICAL RESULTS'?

MaxInDHouse:
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Good morning Sir!

So he's just one of the angels but he has spent more time with his father than all his brothers {Proverbs 8:30} nothing more!

I believe it's time to PRESENT the original Greek Scriptures where all those translators got what you're arguing about now.
Check the first Greek text translated "God" then compare to the second that we rendered "a god"

Your problem is being pigheaded on theory instead of concentrating on PRACTICAL RESULTS.

both of us must rely only on what we read in the Bible, no dogmas or opinions cooked up in the name of any spirit. We must both rely solely on the facts we find in the Bible!

sagenaija:
Remember where we progressed from: Is Jesus just an angel or MORE THAN an angel.
I referred to Hebrews 1:3 which says that the Son is the exact representation of God's being.
I also said that in Phil. 2:6 we are told that Jesus' very nature is God.
You still insisted that:
You then brought in John 1:1 using your translation to try to show that the Word was 'a god'.
You posted this:
Your pal janosky joined you in this, attempting to show that your translation of John 1:1 was the better one. Both of you were exchanging views.
I brought in a video by a man who explained the Greek construct of John 1:1. You pushed it aside as it were.
You then vied off into your idiom on looking at the dress that a person who wants to give you one is wearing. And thereafter what you said was:
How looking at Scripture is now being an issue I wouldn't know. That was when I reminded you of your earlier statement:
You have REPEATEDLY refused to answer many questions I raised, including whether you are disowning your above statement.
The bottom line is this: KNOWING comes before DOING. Right KNOWLEDGE is what will lead to right APPLICATION and right LIVING. I mean acceptable living before God.
John 1:1 CLEARLY shows that Jesus is God. He is more than an angel. John 1:18 corroborates this his status. I have shown you guys that even the Strong's screenshots you pasted also talks about the word in John 1:1 later portion to include it being used as "supreme deity". The word can be 'God' or 'god'; context will determine the usage. The article 'a' is not there in the Greek. So, how did your translation come about that? Changing the translation to make it conform to a DOGMA doesn't cut it. You have to shift your standards from one portion of Scripture to another and engage in TWISTS and TURNS to do that. At the end of the day you end up accepting not what the Scripture says Jesus is but what you want him to be: a person of your own creation. That is being disingenuous.

KNOWMORE56:

"...rely only on what we read in the Bible..."
He wants you to OBEY it while he disobey...
That's what Watch Tower devotees understand to be "honest-hearted people"

sagenaija:
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This is why I find it hard to engage you in any meaningful discussion.
I ONLY pointed you to what YOU pasted up there from Strong's. I didn't bring up ANYTHING new. Check what you pasted and see if what I mentioned is not listed there. Check your screenshots. Is it simple enough now?

The million dollars question is :
how should English translate the same Greek 1510 Greek 2316 @Acts 28:6 & John 1:1?
On this matter, NWT/JWs did NOT shift the goal post!

You posted YouTube video of a man whose claim disparage John 1:1 NWT.
It is the same Greek 1510 Greek 2316 @ Acts 28:6 & John 1:1, is your YouTube friend dishonest?

sagenaija:
Remember where we progressed from: Is Jesus just an angel or MORE THAN an angel.

I referred to Hebrews 1:3 which says that the Son is the exact representation of God's being.
I also said that in Phil. 2:6 we are told that Jesus' very nature is God.

You still insisted that:


You then brought in John 1:1 using your translation to try to show that the Word was 'a god'.
You posted this:

Your pal janosky joined you in this, attempting to show that your translation of John 1:1 was the better one. Both of you were exchanging views.

I brought in a video by a man who explained the Greek construct of John 1:1. You pushed it aside as it were.
You then vied off into your idiom on looking at the dress that a person who wants to give you one is wearing. And thereafter what you said was:


How looking at Scripture is now being an issue I wouldn't know. That was when I reminded you of your earlier statement:


You have REPEATEDLY refused to answer many questions I raised, including whether you are disowning your above statement.

The bottom line is this: KNOWING comes before DOING. Right KNOWLEDGE is what will lead to right APPLICATION and right LIVING. I mean acceptable living before God.

John 1:1 CLEARLY shows that Jesus is God. He is more than an angel. John 1:18 corroborates this his status. I have shown you guys that even the Strong's screenshots you pasted also talks about the word in John 1:1 later portion to include it being used as "supreme deity". The word can be 'God' or 'god'; context will determine the usage. The article 'a' is not there in the Greek. So, how did your translation come about that? Changing the translation to make it conform to a [b]DOGMA doesn't cut it. You have to shift your standards from one portion of Scripture to another and engage in TWISTS and TURNS to do that. At the end of the day you end up accepting not what the Scripture says Jesus is[/b] but what you want him to be: a person of your own creation. That is being disingenuous.

Sagenaija where you see "is" @ John 1:1?
He done shepaly add "is"...

The truth is straight forward jare

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS making FALSE claims.
Go & check those highlighted scriptures (from my previous post) in all other Trinitarian Bibles.

For Emusan mind, his Trinitarian Bibles that inserted 2 notable historical FRAUD into the holy Scriptures & proven to be published by Freemasons (King James & his court) is not demonic

Malachi 3:1
"Behold, I send My messenger,
And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek,
Will suddenly come to His temple,
Even the Messenger of the covenant,
In whom you delight.
Behold, He is coming,"
Says the LORD of hosts.


John 12:49-50
For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.'
When Emusan goes on an errand, does he speak the message he was sent?

John 14:24
He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
Biblestudytools, and your fellow Trinitarian mentors as well as Jesus Christ himself have proven Emusan wrong.

Mark 19:4-6, Jesus Christ says you are LYING.
Jesus Christ further confirmed Genesis 1:27, Genesis14:19, 1 Corinthians 8:6 is true.

Jehovah God the Creator used him (Jesus Christ), his worker, Craftsman.

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and [b]the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me".
Jesus Christ is a messenger/angel of Jehovah his Father

John the Baptizer is Jehovah's angel, Matthew 11:10,Douay-Rheims Bible
"For this is he of whom it is written: Behold I send my angel before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee".
Greek lexicon 32, aggelos

Three Screenshots proven evidences.
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Emusan:
You have moved from Williams Tyndale now to another thing, typical brainwashed JWs.




Always attacking strawman argument, your demonic translation will remain demonic.

Remember your translation also inserted many fraudulent words.



So to be sent to make one be an Angel

O ma se o o
You always represent this your name wella JaNosense.



God sent MOSES and Aaron, that made them Jehovah Angels.

Sense truly far from you.



So John the Baptist is also an ANGEL, wonders of watchtower delusion

When you finally receive sense kindly let me know.

sagenaija:
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Context!!, janosky, Context!!!

@ John 1:1 , who is Greek 3588 2316?
According to Jesus Christ @ John 14:1, who is Greek 3588 2316?
According to apostle John @ Greek John 1:1 & John 14:1, who is Greek 3588 2316 "the God"?
@ Greek Ephesians 1:3, John 1:1, 2 Corinthians11:31, who is Greek 3588 2316?
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself jare.