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All are fallacies… everyone speaking on behalf of God… Is God that docile that IT(in this context) speaks for him and clear all these doubts.

I dont know why we argue on things that arent making us grow spiritually, i think things that can cause sin should be the bone of contetion.
If jesus is God; Have i sinned by the statement?
And if i say Jesus is not God, have i sinned? Once we've not sinned, i dont think their should be room for this wasteful discussion.

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oranget:
Which kind wahala be dis one now?
Since prayer is the communication between man and his God, and according to the Bible, Jesus is fully God and fully man, He is also the second person in Trinity. Then why should praying to him be wrong.
This Daddy Freezer always finding excuses to justify his unbelief.

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Jesus the “son of man” is not God, which bible have you been reading and what pastor brainwashed you?

Newsflash: Jesus never existed. It’s basically a story made up by the romans to troll the jews. Hey Zeus, they turned Zeus to Jesus for y’all to worship https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/story-jesus-christ-was-fabricated-pacify-poor-claims-controversial-biblical-scholar-8870879.html?amp

Acts 7:59 And while they were stoning Stephen, he prayed, Lord Jesus, receive and accept and welcome my spirit!

BENSU:
Jesus Christ never said that we should pray to him, but that whatever we ask his father (Jehovah God) in his (Jesus) name, will be given to us.

Jesus Christ himself is not God, but the only begotten Son of Almighty God and the firstborn of all creation.

Jehovah God sent his only begotten Son to redeem us from sin and death

To learn the truth about Jesus Christ
Contact Jehovah witnesses or visit jw dot com

Why then did Stephen prayed directly to Jesus to receive his spirit as he was being stoned?

seunmsg:
Christians pray to God through Jesus Christ and not to Jesus Christ.

Steven prayed to Jesus directly as he was being stoned.

Perfectbeing:
Steven prayed to Jesus directly as he was being stoned.

All made up stories.

Jones4190:
Jesus himself didn't ask any body to pray to him

Yet he received their prayers like he did Steven's.

Also also Jesus himself didn't ask any body NOT to pray to Him

kingawothefirst:
All made up stories.

Ok

othermen:
First, when people asked Jesus for miracles in the bible, they were praying to Jesus.

''Jesus! make me see'', ''Jesus! make me well'', ''Jesus! If I could touch your garment'', ''Jesus!, raise this dead."

John 14 ''Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.”

To God, there are three members, God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit... This is the trinity. Jesus is the begotten of God; the son, this is clear.

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
in verse 14: “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us”

Romans 9:5 Apostle Paul describes Jesus as “the Christ, who is God overall, blessed forever.”

In John 10:30 Jesus claims that “I and the Father are one,”

In John 14:9 Jesus says that “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

In Mark 2 dealing with the man’s paralysis he first says, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Only God can forgive, of coz Jesus is a member of God.

In order that your prayer is through to God the father, you should pray in the name of the son, for it is through the son, we are granted access; and the holy spirit shall be there to guide, to guide in your prayers and that you may ask that which is appropriate.

Even then, Jesus Christ is the answer to our prayers.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17, Even Apostle Paul prayed to Jesus saying “May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father. . . encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.” In 1 Thessalonians 3:11–13, there was a similar prayer to Jesus.

John 5:23 ''Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.''.

You don’t need Omokri or Daddy Freeze to know God or know more about Christ. What you need is a personal encounter with Christ, and you only have to accept Christ. He is knocking at the door. The Holy Spirit shall then be the guide.

Amen.
But you get time Sha.

kingawothefirst:
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Jesus the “son of man” is not God, which bible have you been reading and what pastor brainwashed you?

Newsflash: Jesus never existed. It’s basically a story made up by the romans to troll the jews. Hey Zeus, they turned Zeus to Jesus for y’all to worship https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/story-jesus-christ-was-fabricated-pacify-poor-claims-controversial-biblical-scholar-8870879.html?amp

You don't want people to believe in Jesus, cos to you, He was made up by men. And yet your best proof is to bring a article wri1tte by men. Now tell me why I should believe your own article written by men and leave my Bible also written by "men"..

Perfectbeing:
You don't want people to believe in Jesus, cos to you, He was made up by men. And yet your best proof is to bring a article wri1tte by men. Now tell me why I should believe your own article written by men and leave my Bible also written by "men"..

I don’t care who you believe in lol. I only deal with facts. Believe what you want to believe. Jesus story is a made up fairy tale, do with that information what you will. Just understand that you are brainwashed.

If you like, pray to a tree, nothing concern me.

kingawothefirst:
I don’t care who you believe in lol. I only deal with facts. Believe what you want to believe. Jesus story is a made up fairy tale, do with that information what you will. Just understand that you are brainwashed.

If you like, pray to a tree, nothing concern me.

Ok

When one of Jesus disciples asked him to teach them how to pray he taught them the lord's prayer. Luke 11 1-4

For those of you who believe that Jesus is God can you answer these questions logically?

When Jesus prayed, whom did he pray to if he is God himself?

Was Jesus praying to himself and asking himself for blessings?

If Jesus is God, why did God send "himself" to die on the cross when he could have saved the world with a swipe of his hand?

Make this make sense.

seunmsg:
Christians pray to God through Jesus Christ and not to Jesus Christ.

Why not pray directly to your God?

Did God told them he is angry about .all these yeye Instagram pastors thinking they are deceiving us whereas they are only deceiving themselves

The truth is this - God is not trinity neither is it right to pray to Jesus or to pray in his name.

All prayers are to go to God direct without any intermediary.

Being a Muslim is the greatest thing that I am always grateful for. Alhamdulillaah.

kramer:
I feel that Christians have really missed the road on this. When Jesus was asked a simple question, "how do we pray?" .. he responded with the way it should be done, starting from "Our Father" ... He didn't end it by saying "in my name we pray" or anything of the sought. But over the years humans have changed everything and added their own spin and understanding to the original word. Now we have Catholics, latter day saints etc all of who have deviated from the original way of praying.

what Christ was doing with the Lord's prayer was to prepare the minds of the Jews at that time to have an understanding of God as their father

Remember before now even Jews dared not go into the temple unless the high priest that still had his limits.

Keep in mind Christ was not yet crucified so how could he have possibly tell the Jews to pray in his name when he hadn't paid the price for them to access him in prayer

Mind you they could pray to him, desire him to do things for them which he could do because he was on earth with them, but anything regarding prayer in closet they couldn't call him name because he hadn't gotten a liscence

So essentially he was preparing them for a new kind of relationship with God not really about the prayer per say

When his work was finished it means the Jesus who was already prayed to on earth when he was around can also be prayed to in heaven

BENSU:
Jesus Christ never said that we should pray to him, but that whatever we ask his father (Jehovah God) in his (Jesus) name, will be given to us.

Jesus Christ himself is not God, but the only begotten Son of Almighty God and the firstborn of all creation.

Jehovah God sent his only begotten Son to redeem us from sin and death

To learn the truth about Jesus Christ
Contact Jehovah witnesses or visit jw dot com

John 15 vs 1 - 14, will clear it up for you. When you ask Jesus Christ for a thing, it amounts to praying to Him.

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do , that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name
, I will do it . - John 14 vs 13 - 14

khia:
Why not pray directly to your God?

you can not pray directly to God because you are a sinner that can't reach him on your merit

That's why Jesus is the door, you need to stand on his finished work and holiness to relate with God

khia:
When one of Jesus disciples asked him to teach them how to pray he taught them the lord's prayer. Luke 11 1-4

For those of you who believe that Jesus is God can you answer these questions logically?

When Jesus prayed, whom did he pray to if he is God himself?

Was Jesus praying to himself and asking himself for blessings?

If Jesus is God, why did God send "himself" to die on the cross when he could have saved the world with a swipe of his hand?

Make this make sense.

Asking Jesus Christ for anything is not about Trinity but the fact that God entrusted it all to Jesus and so you can ask Jesus Christ or you can ask God. It is right there in the Gospels for those who care to learn - John 15 vs 7 - 11

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do , that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name
, I will do it . - John 14 vs 13 - 14

Remo is in fact wrong!

khia:
When one of Jesus disciples asked him to teach them how to pray he taught them the lord's prayer. Luke 11 1-4

The Lord's prayer was to teach the Jews a new approach to God :i.e to see God as a Father which means Jesus was going to pay the price for such to happen

For those of you who believe that Jesus is God can you answer these questions logically?

When Jesus prayed, whom did he pray to if he is God himself?

Was Jesus praying to himself and asking himself for blessings?

You call it prayer he sees it as communication, because nothing Christ couldn't do on his

If Jesus really needed prayers to God first for things to happen, then he could have prayed before calming the storm on Peter boat

Jesus could have prayed before calling Lazarus from grave etc

If Jesus is God, why did God send "himself" to die on the cross when he could have saved the world with a swipe of his hand?

Firstly the Trinity exist independently just like you have at least a spirit and soul inside your body which would split at death (no offense)

Since you accept Jesus communicated/prayed to his father in heaven when he was on earth why then do you think Jesus coming to earth means all the Trinity was the one on the cross?

Jesus communicated to God the Father when he was on earth, when Jesus left he requested the Holy spirit to come to earth

Can you see the three are now independent

Lastly How would you feel if a judge becomes partial?

This is what makes God who he is, he stands by his word

There is punishment for sin, sinners have to go far from him because he is too righteousness to have filth around

He can't overnight say all sins have been erased without price

What would the devil say, the devil who is accuser surely won't give him breathing space.

Would he also bring back the devil and demons in their filth and unremorsefullness to heaven?

seunmsg:
Christians pray to God through Jesus Christ and not to Jesus Christ.

You can pray to Jesus Christ as well since the Father gave all to Him. This is as taught by Jesus Christ in the Gospels - John 15 vs 1 - 14 is an example of where Jesus Christ tells you to ask anything of Him.

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do , that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name
, I will do it . - John 14 vs 13 - 14

Remo is wrong in this too.

BENSU:
Jesus Christ never said that we should pray to him, but that whatever we ask his father (Jehovah God) in his (Jesus) name, will be given to us.

Jesus Christ himself is not God, but the only begotten Son of Almighty God and the firstborn of all creation.

Jehovah God sent his only begotten Son to redeem us from sin and death

To learn the truth about Jesus Christ
Contact Jehovah witnesses or visit jw dot com

You never read John 15 vs 7 - 11, where Jesus Christ says to those who abide in Him that when they ask anything of Him, He will do it?

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do , that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name
, I will do it . - John 14 vs 13 - 14

Samunique:
You couldn't be more right than this sir, most especially with your last statement.

May the Lord bless your knowledge in Him, including all of His saints.

Bless you too brother.

lahp:
so true

this should be a reason so called christians shld knw that the trinity doctrine is a lie

Trinity doctrine aside, Jesus Christ said the following:

And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do , that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name
, I will do it . - John 14 vs 13 - 14

seunmsg:
Christians pray to God through Jesus Christ and not to Jesus Christ.

seunmsg Well said by you
"I am the way truth and life, no one comes to the father except through me"

The mission of every religion out there is to discredit the deity of Christ. The Lord is not worried about all these foolishness. He shall have the last laugh. God will not put anyone in Hell. Whosoever finds himself in Hell chose to go there.

Kobojunkie:
Asking Jesus Christ for anything is not about Trinity but the fact that God entrusted it all to Jesus and so you can ask Jesus Christ or you can ask God. It is right there in the Gospels for those who care to learn - John 15 vs 7 - 11

Remo is in fact wrong!

You're not understanding my questions.

If JESUS is GOD, who is his father that he speaks of?

If JESUS is GOD who does he pray to and why would he have to pray to anyone if he is the ALPHA and the OMEGA, the ALL POWERFUL ONE?

Mikecold,. I wasn't asking about the Lord's Prayer but pointing out that he taught them to pray to GOD not himself but you can answer these questions because I think you misunderstood my questions.

Hmm

khia:
You're not understanding my questions.

If JESUS is GOD, who is his father that he speaks of?

If JESUS is GOD who does he pray to and why would he have to pray to anyone if he is the ALPHA and the OMEGA, the ALL POWERFUL ONE?

Mikecold,. I wasn't asking about the Lord's Prayer but pointing out that he taught them to pray to GOD not himself but you can answer these questions because I think you misunderstood my questions.

Jesus Christ is exactly who Jesus Christ says He is and His Father is exactly who He tells us He is.
And when it comes to the topic of this thread, Jesus Christ in fact invites His followers to ask anything of Him.and He promised He will do it for them.