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shadeyinka:
Please, what is outside the universe?

Too many things you don't understand

I said it


You are only good at accusing people of not understanding the nonsense you are saying


It's impossible for anything except existence not to have limits.

The universe is just another object

Existence is beyond the universe.

Existence has no limit.

Existence is a property that is being displayed by what exists.

Existence is the property of something to possess limits.

Existence is being demonstrated without opposition.

Neither you nor Google can do anything about that!!!!!

Spits


Mr You Don't Understand



Spits

Workch:
He can’t accuse me of lacking wisdom with his logical fallacies.

How can someone who tried to shift burden of proof by asking me to proof god doesn’t exist be taken seriously? Lol

OtemAtum,Shadeyinka and many other people like that think you don't understand.


They don't have to say it.


I know.

HellVictorinho:
I said it


You are only good at accusing people of not understanding the nonsense you are saying


It's impossible for anything except existence not to have limits.

The universe is just another object

Existence is beyond the universe.

Existence has no limit.

Existence is a property that is being displayed what exists.

Existence is the property of something to possess limits.

Existence is being demonstrated without opposition.

Neither you nor Google can do anything about that!!!!!

Spits


Mr You Don't Understand



Spits

I didn't ask you to describe anything. I asked you a simple question. You speculated that there are things OUTSIDE the universe

I asked a simple question:
Please, what is outside the universe?

shadeyinka:
I didn't ask you to describe anything. I asked you a simple question. You speculated that there are things OUTSIDE the universe

I asked a simple question:
Please, what is outside the universe?

I know there are things outside the universe because there's no limit to what possesses limits.


In other words,it is impossible for no thing with limits to exist within or outside anything.


If there's ever no thing with limits outside anything,then it means no thing ever really exists.

It means there is never really a thing.

But that's not possible, right


As for examples,you will find limited divisible aging combinations as they are formed by limited ageless indivisible objects.

An ageless indivisible object is not a combination of any two or more other objects.


As for their names,you will think of what to call any of them when you are able to determine more concerning any of them.

It will happen the same way it happens in your laboratory or observatory or any other assessment state on Earth.

In other words, you will only get exposed to more concerning any of them by chance.


Existence is a property that is not limited to anything including the universe.


It is a property that is being displayed without an opposition.


Just as limited aging divisible combinations are formed within the universe by limited ageless indivisible objects,limited aging divisible combinations are also formed outside the universe by limited ageless indivisible objects.



Both the ageless indivisible objects and the combinations are limited as a result of their possession of limits which ensure that they have a specific form.

Image123:
Think about the percentages, think deeply my shy friend.

Its right because it has more percentage followers- Argumentum ad populum.

HellVictorinho:
I know there are things outside the universe because there's no limit to what possesses limits.


In other words,it is impossible for no thing with limits to exist within or outside anything.


If there's ever no thing with limits outside anything,then it means no thing ever really exists.

It means there is never really a thing.

But that's not possible, right


As for examples,you will find limited divisible aging combinations as they are formed by limited ageless indivisible objects.

An ageless indivisible object is not a combination of any two or more other objects.


As for their names,you will think of what to call any of them when you are able to determine more concerning any of them.

It will happen the same way it happens in your laboratory or observatory or any other assessment state on Earth.

In other words, you will only get exposed to more concerning any of them by chance.


Existence is a property that is not limited to anything including the universe.


It is a property that is being displayed without an opposition.


Just as limited aging divisible combinations are formed within the universe by limited ageless indivisible objects,limited aging divisible combinations are also formed outside the universe by limited ageless indivisible objects.



Both the ageless indivisible objects and the combinations are limited as a result of their possession of limits which ensure that they have a specific form.

You accuse Christians of believing a God that is not supported by science but here you are doing exactly the same thing.
FYI, science does not know anything outside our universe. Science is not even sure if the universe is bounded or not. All that is known is that the universe is expanding.

If I told you that the universe is contained within God you will start your arguments again.

Workch:
Its right because it has more percentage followers- Argumentum ad populum.

i didn't mention "right" i mentioned and referred to facts. The fact that the irreligious is an empty barrel minority. Religion is not necessarily right, my shy brada. Stay focused, religion is going to where soon until after the rapture. As a part of divine judgement, not because of your meaningless rants.

shadeyinka:
You accuse Christians of believing a God that is not supported by science but here you are doing exactly the same thing.
FYI, science does not know anything outside our universe. Science is not even sure if the universe is bounded or not. All that is known is that the universe is expanding.

If I told you that the universe is contained within God you will start your arguments again.

It depends on what you think of science.

I think of science as the use of my head to assess what is assessible.

HellVictorinho:
It depends on what you think of science.

I think of science as the use of my head to assess what is assessible.

What is then your proof that the Creator doesn't exist

shadeyinka:
What is then your proof that the Creator doesn't exist

The proof is that you cannot really determine how the creator created anything.


You cannot determine the reason why anything was created.



If you quote the Bible,it won't make sense to me because the Bible doesn't have the proof that anything was really planned and created by God for any specific reason that makes sense just like the phone you are using was orchestrated for a specific reason that cannot be effectively disputed by anyone .

Image123:
i didn't mention "right" i mentioned and referred to facts. The fact that the irreligious is an empty barrel minority. Religion is not necessarily right, my shy brada. Stay focused, religion is going to where soon until after the rapture. As a part of divine judgement, not because of your meaningless rants.

Another nonsense from the Bible, Rapture

Christians will be raptured into a celestial North Korea

Workch:
Another nonsense from the Bible, Rapture

Christians will be raptured into a celestial North Korea

Keep calm and focused. The fact that the irreligious is an empty barrel minority is such a pain right? What can we do against the truth?

HellVictorinho:
The proof is that you cannot really determine how the creator created anything.


You cannot determine the reason why anything was created.



If you quote the Bible,it won't make sense to me because the Bible doesn't have the proof that anything was really planned and created by God for any specific reason that makes sense just like the phone you are using was orchestrated for a specific reason that cannot be effectively disputed by anyone .

Your proof is your lack of understanding!?
If a Broiler chicken could not understand how its breed was developed, it certainly concludes that MAN doesn't exist.

The simple answers to your lack of understanding
1. HOW DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE?
He created everything by His Will and His Command!
2. Why DID HE CREATE THE UNIVERSE?
He created everything for His own purpose and enjoyment!

Image123:
Keep calm and focused. The fact that the irreligious is an empty barrel minority is such a pain right? What can we do against the truth?

Argumentum ad populum.
You see yourself in the celestial North Korea when you die with your dictator god receiving your praises

What a funny expectation

shadeyinka:
Your proof is your lack of understanding!?
If a Broiler chicken could not understand how its breed was developed, it certainly concludes that MAN doesn't exist.

The simple answers to your lack of understanding
1. HOW DID GOD CREATE THE UNIVERSE?
He created everything by His Will and His Command!
2. Why DID HE CREATE THE UNIVERSE?
He created everything for His own purpose and enjoyment!

I said it.

You are only good at accusing people of not understanding the nonsense you are repeating!!!




You are repeating what the Bible says even after I told you it's of no use!!!!!



According to the Bible,God did Bla Bla Bla by his Bla Bla Bla



You made use of the broiler and the chicken

Did man create phones by saying let there be phones and there were phones



What if I say you don't understand anything related to Zeus even when it's written in English because you don't think Zeus ever existed or did anything?



As for purpose, you are saying God is enjoying the suffering of billions of people all over the world

He is enjoying the disorder and disasters all over the world

He is enjoying what shows no intelligence behind it


Imagine the nonsense you accuse me of not understanding!!!!!!!

HellVictorinho:
I said it.

You are only good at accusing people of not understanding the nonsense you are repeating!!!




You are repeating what the Bible says even after I told you it's of no use!!!!!



According to the Bible,God did Bla Bla Bla by his Bla Bla Bla

Fortunately, I didn't mention the bible throughout my post: if the Uncaused first Cause created the universe, it must be because He desires to create such for His own purpose. You don't even need the bible to arrive at this conclusion.

HellVictorinho:
You made use of the broiler and the chicken

Did man create phones by saying let there be phones and there were phones

Man didn't create phones by saying let there be phones because humans don't have that capability. Man can create only based on what ALREADY is in existence.

HellVictorinho:
What if I say you don't understand anything related to Zeus even when it's written in English because you don't think Zeus ever existed or did anything?

I have not even mentioned the name of the Uncaused first Cause. I have only called Him by the title God.

HellVictorinho:
As for purpose, you are saying God is enjoying the suffering of billions of people all over the world
He is enjoying the disorder and disasters all over the world
He is enjoying what shows no intelligence behind it
Imagine the nonsense you accuse me of not understanding!!!!!!!

Myopic!
The Universe is based on laws that seem to just miraculously fit together. The atom is almost just like a solar system by its own right, yet with arrangements that are so complex that it is unfathomable.
Intelligence just suddenly popped out of inorganic materials.

What do you think is the consequence of freewill to a self propagating AI robots?

shadeyinka:
Fortunately, I didn't mention the bible throughout my post: if the Uncaused first Cause created the universe, it must be because He desires to create such for His own purpose. You don't even need the bible to arrive at this conclusion.



Man didn't create phones by saying let there be phones because humans don't have that capability. Man can create only based on what ALREADY is in existence.


I have not even mentioned the name of the Uncaused first Cause. I have only called Him by the title God.


Myopic!
The Universe is based on laws that seem to just miraculously fit together. The atom is almost just like a solar system by its own right, yet with arrangements that are so complex that it is unfathomable.
Intelligence just suddenly popped out of inorganic materials.

What do you think is the consequence of freewill to a self propagating AI robots?

There's no uncaused first cause that created anything.


What if consciousness just popped out of things?


Yeah, I think vain absurd life just popped out of things!!!

Keep deceiving yourself thinking you are special because of some so-called riches!!!

Yeah, there's no reason why they have freewill so they do anything they feel they must do.


Nobody gave them freewill and they don't have to act like it was given to them for any purpose.

Spits....

HellVictorinho:
There's no uncaused first cause that created anything.


What if consciousness just popped out of things?


Yeah, I think vain absurd life just popped out of things!!!

Keep deceiving yourself thinking you are special because of some so-called riches!!!

Yeah, there's no reason why they have freewill so they do anything they feel they must do.


Nobody gave them freewill and they don't have to act like it was given to them for any purpose.

Spits....

On the one hand you accuse religous people of believing in fairy tales, on the other hand you also have your fairy tale that consciousness just suddenly popped out of things and things also popped out of things and so on.

If you can believe all these, then it is not far fetched to believe in miracles. The source of all existence could have been anything, it could have been what religous people call "the God" or it could have been things ( like you asserted) or it could have been simply nothing ( which is unreasonable).

Image123:
i'm doing good, and you? The natural man has a God void in his heart by default. That's why he craves to worship and devote himself to something or someone. In anywhere and anytime, educated or otherwise, man wants to worship something or someone. From God, to stones to trees to the sun to money or to even men. The latest is to "science".

Im good too my man. You cannot establish this. Early man was not necessarily religious. He just wanted to survive. All these things you mentioned were learned behaviour from one point that cascaded. One group's brain abilities grew and decided to question his environment. Imagine being like ants....who are you going to worship? You just want to survive. Man has been by default a non theist....ignorant if you will, (his natuaral feeling is i dont want to die, i dont like pain) imagine being hungry and afraid...what time will you have to question your world. It is when you have attained a sense of security that one starts to appreciate the world around him and question it proper. The worship thing is not instinctual. Its learned behaviour that branched all over the place. The idea of God was created from a need to be comfortable, mentally.

GeneralDae:
On the one hand you accuse religous people of believing in fairy tales, on the other hand you also have your fairy tale that consciousness just suddenly popped out of things and things also popped out of things and so on.

If you can believe all these, then it is not far fetched to believe in miracles. The source of all existence could have been anything, it could have been what religous people call "the God" or it could have been things ( like you asserted) or it could have been simply nothing ( which is unreasonable).

You think what I am saying is a fairly tale.
You think I merely BELIEVE.

Well, I don't think there's anything like ALL EXISTENCE.
I don't think consciousness popped out of anything.

I think it just happens.
I think it is just SHOWN by certain things.



Whatever YOU think about what I am saying is YOUR CUP OF WINE



I don't need you to accept my statements as true.


The correctness of my statements is independent of your thoughts.

HellVictorinho:
You think what I am saying is a fairly tale.
You think I merely BELIEVE.

Well, I don't think there's anything like ALL EXISTENCE.
I don't think consciousness popped out of anything.

I think it just happens.
I think it is just SHOWN by certain things.



Whatever YOU think about what I am saying is YOUR CUP OF WINE



I don't need you to accept my statements as true.


The correctness of my statements is independent of your thoughts.

Have you ever seen anything just happen like that without a preceding event or cause?

GeneralDae:
Have you ever seen anything just happen like that without a preceding event or cause?

Yes, the universe

Workch:
Yes, the universe

lol . Where did you get this from? Give me the evidence.

GeneralDae:
lol . Where did you get this from? Give me the evidence.

We don’t know how the universe started existing, no one knows yet who made it.

If you do then tell me what has ever been made without knowing who or what made it.

kimco:
Im good too my man. You cannot establish this. Early man was not necessarily religious. He just wanted to survive. All these things you mentioned were learned behaviour from one point that cascaded. One group's brain abilities grew and decided to question his environment. Imagine being like ants....who are you going to worship? You just want to survive. Man has been by default a non theist....ignorant if you will, (his natuaral feeling is i dont want to die, i dont like pain) imagine being hungry and afraid...what time will you have to question your world. It is when you have attained a sense of security that one starts to appreciate the world around him and question it proper. The worship thing is not instinctual. Its learned behaviour that branched all over the place. The idea of God was created from a need to be comfortable, mentally.

Here is your style, maybe it will help. It is very clear from the Bible and from human experience. People of all colour, time, nature and economies have a God void that they fill up, which is only satisfied in the knowledge of the true God. Go into even the basest of cave men history, humans tend to attribute things to a higher power, devotions, prayers, rituals. When you are afraid or hungry or want to survive, by instinct humans ask for help from a perceived higher power. From God to luck to the sun to rivers or trees or the dead etc.

GeneralDae:
Have you ever seen anything just happen like that without a preceding event or cause?

Well,it is not about what happened.

It is about what is happening.


It is about what's going on.


It is about what has no beginning/end.

It is not a sequence.


It is a display of the property of something to possess limits.


In other words, existence is the property of something to possess limits since anything that really exists except existence itself possesses limits.

Existence is an abstract thing.


Since there's no thing except existence that doesn't possess limits towards the possession of a specific form,it means it is impossible for no thing with limits to exist alongside anything with limits.


Therefore,there's no limit to what exists or what possesses limits.


Aging divisible objects are actually combinations of any two or more ageless indivisible objects.

An ageless indivisible object doesn't undergo disintegration or decay and it doesn't age.

It is impossible for protons,atoms and other aging divisible objects to exist in the absence of the ageless indivisible ones.

Don't ask me for examples of ageless indivisible objects if Google can't give you!!!!

Don't ask me because I only deduced from the impossibility of anything except existence (which is abstract) to actually exist alone or exist as the only thing without limits.




This means existence is a property that IS BEING DISPLAYED without any opposition/restriction.


Unlike a video that can't be playing beyond an electronic device that is powered or/and switched on, existence is neither only being displayed within nor only being displayed outside anything.

That's because it is impossible for no thing except existence itself to be showing existence as a property it has.

Existence doesn't have to show itself as a property it has.

That's because existence is a property so it has to be shown

It is not meant to show.

It's like you saying oxygen is a property of oxygen so oxygen has to show oxygen as a property of oxygen ( empty statement).

Workch:
We don’t know how the universe started existing, no one knows yet who made it.

If you do then tell me what has ever been made without knowing who or what made it.

Ever heard of the big bang? If so, then how can you say we don't know how the universe started existing? If you don't know the big bang theory in physics, then go read it up.

GeneralDae:
Ever heard of the big bang? If so, then how can you say we don't know how the universe started existing? If you don't know the big bang theory in physics, then go read it up.

I heard of Big Bang in my ss2 and now I have a masters in science.

What about it?

Workch:
I heard of Big Bang in my ss2 and now I have a masters in science.

What about it?

ok cool, the universe began 13.5 billion years ago with the big bang or?

GeneralDae:
ok cool, the universe began 13.5 billion years ago with the big bang or?

Why are you asking me the questions?

Workch:
Why are you asking me the questions?

Because you opened a thread saying religon would die as people get more intelligent. So I assume you are not only very intelligent to have abandoned religion, but must have discovered a secret completely disproving the existence of God and/or religion.

GeneralDae:
Because you opened a thread saying religon would die as people get more intelligent. So I assume you are not only very intelligent to have abandoned religion, but must have discovered a secret completely disproving the existence of God and/or religion.

Whats the secret you discovered?

God did Big Bang?