BlueRayDick:


I didn't claim he was the priority . It's evident a CB replacement was needed at the beginning of last season ....U implied it in ur post below



We all lamented how bad our CB pairings were .... our posts lamenting is littered all over this thread. U can't turn back now and start saying we should't have gotten a CB when we all agreed our CB's as at the beginning of last deason were piss poor .

You know you still haven't answered my question
Okay, mustafi was released we have chambers, holding, luiz, saliba and Dino going into the new season, the team lacked creativity and bite the season before what a normal thinking coach should have done is getting solutions to it but he went for another CB
Which kokane and I complained bitterly about but you guys especially you and Roland said we needed a CB
Now you brought the issue again and I ask you how many matches the more needed CB played last season?
Now this season, the issues from 2 seasons(AM and CMF) ago is persist only for the same man to blow 50m on another CB which surprisingly you and Roland are now complaining
Does that mean Gabriel is already useless like mustafi cos I except him to be the hot cake from last season, I don't think he played half of EPL matches sef

Spy360:

Assuming it is a club in disarray trying to rebuild or a low level club trying to climb up, I think it better to start with rebuilding defense. That doesn't mean one should neglect attack, but more attention should be given first to defense then attack. In fact many teams adopt this approach.

Defenders are cheaper and ensure a level of stability when they blend as defense is more team partnership than individual brilliance as opposed to attack. Once that is achieved, focus shifts to adding attackers.

A low team wants to survive first, so on a long term basis, it's the defense that ensures that.

The bolded is Exactly the reason why most coaches work on attack first instead of defence.

Check most teams that are feared and that bookies or fans normally term them as favorites. It's cos of good midfield and attack. When mourinho came to Chelsea during his 2nd spell, the twi missing puzzle he added was Costa and fabregas.
Most mantra most coaches use is this
1... They build attack(midfield and attack)
2.. The attack breeds confidence cos of the wins
3.. Then they strengthen defence in order to take them to the very top

Klopp did such at Dortmund and Liverpool
Pep did that at barca and Man city


This ain't coincidence bro

Jodera2:
The bolded is Exactly the reason why most coaches work on attack first instead of defence.

Check most teams that are feared and that bookies or fans normally term them as favorites. It's cos of good midfield and attack. When mourinho came to Chelsea during his 2nd spell, the twi missing puzzle he added was Costa and fabregas.
Most mantra most coaches use is this
1... They build attack(midfield and attack)
2.. The attack breeds confidence cos of the wins
3.. Then they strengthen defence in order to take them to the very top

Klopp did such at Dortmund and Liverpool
Pep did that at barca and Man city


This ain't coincidence bro

Barcelona was dominating with old puyol and average pique then useless keepers in Valdez and fvcking pinto
That's something,if you build your team in midfield
Forget it you are covered

BlueRayDick:
@Jodera2

I see u to be more reasonable and reading to understand before replying a post without much emotions attached to it.

The season Arsenal bought Gabriel, do u honestly think what arsenal needed that season was to bring in an attack considering how Mustafi, Kolasinac, Papasthapopulous and the rest of the lot made us lose games from a winning position that season?

I mean prior to that season Aubameyang was the joint Golden shoe winner along with Mane and Salah that got loserpool the league. We had attackers doing the scoring and defenders letting us down.


In all honesty would u leave Papastha, Mustafi and sometimes unreliable David Luiz to continue in CB while adding more attacking players in Ur team as a coach?

I know people want to troll, post all sort of "I told u so" comments because things didn't work out and our attack became poor the following season with our attackers out of form, but I really want to know if it makes any season to have that terrible defence, ignore it and pump in more attacking threat. For u to know how bad those defenders were, the ones that have been shipped out of the club what did they amount to?

I do not support the purchase of Ben white this season considering defence should not be our priority now especially when there's been considerable improvement in our defensive game, but then I think having dem Mustafi and sons replaced was the right thing to do that time.

The whole Defence wins u league talk came out of this discussion back then....... I don talk say I no go talk this matter again, but I saw Ur reply to spy360 up there and I feel we should just put things into perspective.

The funny thing here is ; Jurgen Klopp that most people like to quote changed the entire back line he met at loserpool before he became a legend at the club. The German signed Robertson, Matip, Van Djik and promoted Alexander Trent-Arnold.....Even Pep the senior bros dey spend excessively on defence every year

Lol.. Even tho I lamented about the signing of Gabriel, but that was due to neglecting the main core areas which was midfield and attack.
Most of us here lamented how we lack Am, while we were happy with partey but he was like for like replacement for Torreira (who isn't too bad either). Our midfield lacked goals and creativity alongside our attack (unlike arsenals of previous years). While we don't want mustafi or sokratis back, we believed that Luiz, tho he's a leader even tho he's erratic atimes , Chambers, Saliba and holding can hold that Cb position. What we just need is a good midfield and attack to cover up our Cbs issue(not mustafi and sokratis oo) with goals and assists. We know we don't want mustafi and sokratis back, but we also know we have more than enough CBs to cover up for them.
If we'd gotten a very good AM, CM and a good winger. All those 1-0/0-0 losses/draws we had would have turned to 2-1 or 3-1 wins. It was so bad that anytime a team scores us first, we've automatically lost that game. The only time we overturned a loss to a win was against Southampton in January (2nd to last match of the first half season). And that happened cos of the Am in ESR we got. Now imagine we had good Am and Cm during the loss to Leicester, Everton, Burnley and so on in the first half of the season...

My next quote will be about talking of the Liverpool scenerio you brought up

BlueRayDick:
@Jodera2

The funny thing here is ; Jurgen Klopp that most people like to quote changed the entire back line he met at loserpool before he became a legend at the club. The German signed Robertson, Matip, Van Djik and promoted Alexander Trent-Arnold.....Even Pep the senior bros dey spend excessively on defence every year

Now for klopp own

Klopp change of his present defence is just grace or providence. In essence, aside Van dijk(his big signing), klopp stumbled upon the others.

Before klopp was manager, Liverpool had Lovren, sakho, clyne and Moreno. Now that was the 4 backline klopp met. He was okay with that reason why he went for mane(his big signing)
Matip was free at shalke so he was brought in to bring competition and backups(especially since they've lost toure and skrtel). It's not as if he was a necessary signing, just a good free signing Liverpool capitalized on to bolster their cb positions(we know that through his wages even tho he came for free as he was more of an average to above average defender)

Clyne was their Go to man at Rb. Infact he was so good that Liverpool was contended with him(just as how we're contented with Tierney). What brought Arnold to limelight was the cruciate injury clyne had. Mind you, Arnold wasnt a Rb at academy but a midfielder at academy. He was drafted in for clyne cos of the injury (same way we did Amn too). Arnold gave great performances that Liverpool and fans forgot who clyne was. After his long absence, clyne came back and he wasn't the clyne as before as he started producing underwhelming performances, so with that, Arnold took over

Moreno also was their go to first choice at left back without a suitable back up. If he normally goes to injury, sakho a cb will cover up for him. Since Moreno didn't have any back up and sakho filling in for him is shaky there, it was wise to get a young Lb. And there comes Robertson who Liverpool bought for cheap as a back up to Moreno from relegated Hull city. When Moreno had injury and Robertson filled in for him, the clyne-arnold situation played out.

So that's how Liverpool defence came about. All these while these was happening, klopp was busy buying big players like salah, mane, wijnaldum with high price oo.

Once that attack clicks and he needed defence, then he bought van dijk who was what he really needed and wanted

Note, the defence of Arnold, lovren matip and Robertson was still conceding goals like water until van dijk showed up and shored up things


As for man city, I've already explained that in my latter post to spy

Epl raiding la liga. Lets take our fair share now!!

iamoyindamola:

Barcelona was dominating with old puyol and average pique then useless keepers in Valdez and fvcking pinto
That's something,if you build your team in midfield
Forget it you are covered

lol.. Old puyol, average pique, not so well abidal and above average Maxwell. The less said about Valdez the better

Wen people are talking of the great barca side, you see
Messi, etoo Henry xavi and iniesta in pep first season

Subsequent seasons you hear
Messi, villa, Pedro(even this he's average but can score), Xavi and iniesta

The only defender they get to talk about is alves and we all know why... (I'll leave you to answer that yourself)

Jodera2:
Now for klopp own

Klopp change of his present defence is just grace or providence. In essence, aside Van dijk(his big signing), klopp stumbled upon the others.

Before klopp was manager, Liverpool had Lovren, sakho, clyne and Moreno. Now that was the 4 backline klopp met. He was okay with that reason why he went for mane(his big signing)
Matip was free at shalke so he was brought in to bring competition and backups(especially since they've lost toure and skrtel). It's not as if he was a necessary signing, just a good free signing Liverpool capitalized on to bolster their cb positions(we know that through his wages even tho he came for free as he was more of an average to above average defender)

Clyne was their Go to man at Rb. Infact he was so good that Liverpool was contended with him(just as how we're contented with Tierney). What brought Arnold to limelight was the cruciate injury clyne had. Mind you, Arnold wasnt a Rb at academy but a midfielder at academy. He was drafted in for clyne cos of the injury (same way we did Amn too). Arnold gave great performances that Liverpool and fans forgot who clyne was. After his long absence, clyne came back and he wasn't the clyne as before as he started producing underwhelming performances, so with that, Arnold took over

Moreno also was their go to first choice at left back without a suitable back up. If he normally goes to injury, sakho a cb will cover up for him. Since Moreno didn't have any back up and sakho filling in for him is shaky there, it was wise to get a young Lb. And there comes Robertson who Liverpool bought for cheap as a back up to Moreno from relegated Hull city. When Moreno had injury and Robertson filled in for him, the clyne-arnold situation played out.

So that's how Liverpool defence came about. All these while these was happening, klopp was busy buying big players like salah, mane, wijnaldum with high price oo.

Once that attack clicks and he needed defence, then he bought van dijk who was what he really needed and wanted

Note, the defence of Arnold, lovren matip and Robertson was still conceding goals like water until van dijk showed up and shored up things


As for man city, I've already explained that in my latter post to spy

I hear u loud and clear but the point is Klopp changed his entire back 4. How he achieved that was never up for discussion; he changed his entire back 4 and achieved the height of his career.

I don't recall arguing whether he signed attackers on his way as well.

U see the problem is most of u people think I'm pro-defence and anti-attack. No' Im not

Arsenal had gotten Pepe our most expensive winger in attack, a striker who was EPL golden shoe winner, a decent back-up in Lacazette , an avearge midfield but a poor defence by all standard. I don't I'm wrong backing the board to get at least a decent defender at the time Gabriel was added.

It seems we will never agree on this matter, so I will prefer not to speak further on this topic in the future. Like this na siddon look I dey anything this subject is brought up.

BlueRayDick:


I hear u loud and clear but the point is Klopp changed his entire back 4. How he achieved that was never up for discussion; he changed his entire back 4 and achieved the height of his career.

I don't recall arguing whether he signed attackers on his way as well.

U see the problem is most of u people think I'm pro-defence and anti-attack. No' Im not

Arsenal had gotten Pepe our most expensive winger in attack, a striker who was EPL golden shoe winner, a decent back-up in Lacazette , an avearge midfield but a poor defence by all standard. I don't I'm wrong backing the board to get at least a decent defender at the time Gabriel was added.

It seems we will never agree on this matter, so I will prefer not to speak further on this topic in the future. Like this na siddon look I dey anything this subject is brought up.

Bro our midfield is terrible not average, you see how opponents move from defence to attack with ease when playing us

BlueRayDick:


I hear u loud and clear but the point is Klopp changed his entire back 4. How he achieved that was never up for discussion; he changed his entire back 4 and achieved the height of his career.

I don't recall arguing whether he signed attackers on his way as well.

U see the problem is most of u people think I'm pro-defence and anti-attack. No' Im not

Arsenal had gotten Pepe our most expensive winger in attack, a striker who was EPL golden shoe winner, a decent back-up in Lacazette , an avearge midfield but a poor defence by all standard. I don't I'm wrong backing the board to get at least a decent defender at the time Gabriel was added.

It seems we will never agree on this matter, so I will prefer not to speak further on this topic in the future. Like this na siddon look I dey anything this subject is brought up.

It's you guys that seems not to be getting us.

When you or we talk about building a team, we talk about signing players FOR THE FIRST TEAM right?
Why is everyone silent about tavarez and lokonga deals but raised eye brow for White's deal? Cos those two are back ups while white is for the first team.

No coach build their team on back ups rather you deepen your squad depth with them.

I know you're saying that if we didn't sign Gabriel we might be short in defence(maybe unless we include mustafi and sokratis) but what most of us are saying is that even without Gabriel, we would still have fared well cos we have more than capable defenders better than mustafi and sokratis and we wouldn't still have used mustafi and sokratis. So while he's a good signing, he's not a priority. Same way White deal is.

I know you're not pro-defence, but it's just that I feel you're not getting were we're coming from and I do know were you're coming from.

iamoyindamola:

Bro our midfield is terrible not average, you see how opponents move from defence to attack with ease when playing us

Over terrible dey worry our midfield. Attack too is terrible.

It's the big reason why we don't fashion chances, midfield don't score goals and our attack is dire..

Jodera2:
It's you guys that seems not to be getting us.

When you or we talk about building a team, we talk about signing players FOR THE FIRST TEAM right?
Why is everyone silent about tavarez and lokonga deals but raised eye brow for White's deal? Cos those two are back ups while white is for the first team.

No coach build their team on back ups rather you deepen your squad depth with them.

I know you're saying that if we didn't sign Gabriel we might be short in defence(maybe unless we include mustafi and sokratis) but what most of us are saying is that even without Gabriel, we would still have fared well cos we have more than capable defenders better than mustafi and sokratis and we wouldn't still have used mustafi and sokratis. So while he's a good signing, he's not a priority. Same way White deal is.

I know you're not pro-defence, but it's just that I feel you're not getting were we're coming from and I do know were you're coming from.

Alright. let's just call it a day on this; it's exhausting going back and forth on the same thing over and over again

iamoyindamola:

You know you still haven't answered my question
Okay, mustafi was released we have chambers, holding, luiz, saliba and Dino going into the new season, the team lacked creativity and bite the season before what a normal thinking coach should have done is getting solutions to it but he went for another CB
Which kokane and I complained bitterly about but you guys especially you and Roland said we needed a CB
Now you brought the issue again and I ask you how many matches the more needed CB played last season?
Now this season, the issues from 2 seasons(AM and CMF) ago is persist only for the same man to blow 50m on another CB which surprisingly you and Roland are now complaining
Does that mean Gabriel is already useless like mustafi cos I except him to be the hot cake from last season, I don't think he played half of EPL matches sef

Exactly our point.
Sokratis and mustafi are out, yet that bolded still remains. No how we wouldn't have fared better with those bolded if we've added a good Cm and Am (esp good Am at least)

All those 0-0s and 1-0s loss we had wouldn't have happened. If we've added a good Am last season, then this season we added good Cm(assuming no Gabriel, but we have Saliba, chambers, holding, Mari Manning the CBs position). Tell me, how would our optimism be, knowing that next season we might probably add a good striker or winger

BlueRayDick:


Alright. let's just call it a day on this; it's exhausting going back and forth on the same thing over and over again

No problem boss..
Even tho we might have our different opinions, but the good thing is that all is for the betterment of arsenal

iamoyindamola:

That season midfield was the priority, we explain alot that no matter how strong your attack or defence is midfield will be the connection and your lifesaver.
To score was easy cos auba was in a terrific form he doesn't even need provider to score alot of goals
Arsenal keeper won the golden glove with mertersacker and Kos that should tell you midfield of coq and carzola were the key
If you can't get pass the midfield tell me how you will get to defense
Lfc title winning seasons is another example, vvd was getting the praise but the 3 holding midfielders will press the living shít out of any team.
Same with city, the truth is we have accepted it like that but bringing Gabriel purchase again to justify we needing defenders is false

Your thoughts are absolutely correct. Still defense. Probably what you didn't factor is that midfield can also be divided into defense and attack.

Cc: Jodera or Jodera2

Jodera2:
The bolded is Exactly the reason why most coaches work on attack first instead of defence.

Check most teams that are feared and that bookies or fans normally term them as favorites. It's cos of good midfield and attack. When mourinho came to Chelsea during his 2nd spell, the twi missing puzzle he added was Costa and fabregas.
Most mantra most coaches use is this
1... They build attack(midfield and attack)
2.. The attack breeds confidence cos of the wins
3.. Then they strengthen defence in order to take them to the very top

Klopp did such at Dortmund and Liverpool
Pep did that at barca and Man city


This ain't coincidence bro

I don't expect further upgrade in defense at the expense of attack for a team that already boasts the best defense the previous season. So once again you are not wrong but you must take things I to perspective just as Blueray said.

Jodera2:
lol.. Old puyol, average pique, not so well abidal and above average Maxwell. The less said about Valdez the better

Wen people are talking of the great barca side, you see
Messi, etoo Henry xavi and iniesta in pep first season

Subsequent seasons you hear
Messi, villa, Pedro(even this he's average but can score), Xavi and iniesta

The only defender they get to talk about is alves and we all know why... (I'll leave you to answer that yourself)

It's an insult to football to use rubbishing terms for Puyol, Pique, Abidal and co. These are Barca legends for your information.

Barcelona focused on attack as a matter of playing style, compare that to Chelsea of the same era. Don't make good attacking football sound rubbish just to prove a point.

Jodera2:
Lol.. Even tho I lamented about the signing of Gabriel, but that was due to neglecting the main core areas which was midfield and attack.
Most of us here lamented how we lack Am, while we were happy with partey but he was like for like replacement for Torreira (who isn't too bad either). Our midfield lacked goals and creativity alongside our attack (unlike arsenals of previous years). While we don't want mustafi or sokratis back, we believed that Luiz, tho he's a leader even tho he's erratic atimes , Chambers, Saliba and holding can hold that Cb position. What we just need is a good midfield and attack to cover up our Cbs issue(not mustafi and sokratis oo) with goals and assists. We know we don't want mustafi and sokratis back, but we also know we have more than enough CBs to cover up for them.
If we'd gotten a very good AM, CM and a good winger. All those 1-0/0-0 losses/draws we had would have turned to 2-1 or 3-1 wins. It was so bad that anytime a team scores us first, we've automatically lost that game. The only time we overturned a loss to a win was against Southampton in January (2nd to last match of the first half season). And that happened cos of the Am in ESR we got. Now imagine we had good Am and Cm during the loss to Leicester, Everton, Burnley and so on in the first half of the season...

My next quote will be about talking of the Liverpool scenerio you brought up

Two seasons ago it was our defense in disarray. We got Gabriel, Partey and changed to a defensive pattern.

Last season, it was the attack not clicking, and we all felt an AM would suffice. Instead we got a CB for 50m. Now that price look outrageous to us because of what we have come to know our club for.
But the question is

1. will that player automatically strengthen our defense? The answer so far is a big yes.

2. Does that mean we would not strengthen AM that we all want? The answer is no since the TW is still very much active. That itself can only be judged during and at the end of the season.

Let's keep fingers crossed. A good CB, a good CM, a good AM, and a good striker will all strengthen the spine of our team. The first one has been done, let's hope more will come. The order it will follow is immaterial.

Spy360:

It's an insult to football to use rubbishing terms for Puyol, Pique, Abidal and co. These are Barca legends for your information.

Barcelona focused on attack as a matter of playing style, compare that to Chelsea of the same era. Don't make good attacking football sound rubbish just to prove a point.

Spy spy... Please don't be emotional about this. I didn't say they're not legend. I don't want to seem as if I'm dragging dem(cos that's not my intention) but everyone know puyol was old as at 2010(32yrs), pique was above average, Maxwell too. Does that stop dem from being a legend? No

Mertesacker is an average defender in grand scheme of things, does that stop him from being an arsenal legend?... No also. Please let us not be emotional about this egbon

Spy360:

Two seasons ago it was our defense in disarray. We got Gabriel, Partey and changed to a defensive pattern.

Last season, it was the attack not clicking, and we all felt an AM would suffice. Instead we got a CB for 50m. Now that price look outrageous to us because of what we have come to know our club for.
But the question is

1. will that player automatically strengthen our defense? The answer so far is a big yes.

2. Does that mean we would not strengthen AM that we all want? The answer is no since the TW is still very much active. That itself can only be judged during and at the end of the season.

Let's keep fingers crossed. A good CB, a good CM, a good AM, and a good striker will all strengthen the spine of our team. The first one has been done, let's hope more will come. The order it will follow is immaterial.

While we're clear on agreeing on everything you said up there, but you see that bolded, that's where our major differences is coming from.

While you feel the order is immaterial, most of us feel the order is highly material.
That's why we're always talking about priority. Like we say, even tho White and Gabriel aren't bad signings, but the priority isn't as important as getting an Am or Cm or a good scoring winger.
I've said it numerous times here, even if we got Peak Van dijk instead of White in this transfer window, I wouldn't have been impressed even tho I know he'll improve our defence highly.

Spy360:

Your thoughts are absolutely correct. Still defense. Probably what you didn't factor is that midfield can also be divided into defense and attack.

Cc: Jodera or Jodera2

.. We factored it na. That's why we were happy for partey signing cos we knew partey have the tendency to shield our defence (not consisting of mustafi and sokratis oo)

He did that expertly against Man u first leg

Jodera2:
It's you guys that seems not to be getting us.

When you or we talk about building a team, we talk about signing players FOR THE FIRST TEAM right?
Why is everyone silent about tavarez and lokonga deals but raised eye brow for White's deal? Cos those two are back ups while white is for the first team.

No coach build their team on back ups rather you deepen your squad depth with them.

I know you're saying that if we didn't sign Gabriel we might be short in defence(maybe unless we include mustafi and sokratis) but what most of us are saying is that even without Gabriel, we would still have fared well cos we have more than capable defenders better than mustafi and sokratis and we wouldn't still have used mustafi and sokratis. So while he's a good signing, he's not a priority. Same way White deal is.

I know you're not pro-defence, but it's just that I feel you're not getting were we're coming from and I do know were you're coming from.

And it was justify because gabriel was our defender that played the least matches
He wasn't injured o

Jodera2:
Spy spy... Please don't be emotional about this. I didn't say they're not legend. I don't want to seem as if I'm dragging dem(cos that's not my intention) but everyone know puyol was old as at 2010(32yrs), pique was above average, Maxwell too. Does that stop dem from being a legend? No

Mertesacker is an average defender in grand scheme of things, does that stop him from being an arsenal legend?... No also. Please let us not be emotional about this egbon

1. Old at 32. A defender. Then Cheleini will be what? Bone skull?
2. Above average. Before nko.

Just to prove a point.

Just negodu

kodded:
baba just dey give us midtable vibes

Arsenal have turned those midtable teams that surprisingly beat the big sides,thereby giving fans hope they still hold the big club image.
#Embarrassing!

Jodera2:
While we're clear on agreeing on everything you said up there, but you see that bolded, that's where our major differences is coming from.

While you feel the order is immaterial, most of us feel the order is highly material.
That's why we're always talking about priority. Like we say, even tho White and Gabriel aren't bad signings, but the priority isn't as important as getting an Am or Cm or a good scoring winger.
I've said it numerous times here, even if we got Peak Van dijk instead of White in this transfer window, I wouldn't have been impressed even tho I know he'll improve our defence highly.

As long as the TW is sti open, the order is immaterial. #fact

So far at the start of season we have all the players we want.

We will talk if he doesn't sign an AM after paying 50m for a defender.

Jodera2:
.. We factored it na. That's why we were happy for partey signing cos we knew partey have the tendency to shield our defence (not consisting of mustafi and sokratis oo)

He did that expertly against Man u first leg

When I said factored it is to say that signing a midfielder to strengthen your defense is similar to signing a defender. All na defense.

daveP:
Epl raiding la liga. Lets take our fair share now!!

Arsenal are very likely to be looking for Loan options from Valladolid or £4M player from Elche.
# No ambition!

Jodera2:
Over terrible dey worry our midfield. Attack too is terrible.

It's the big reason why we don't fashion chances, midfield don't score goals and our attack is dire..

We have one of the most disorganized team in the league

Our midfders can't protect defenders, they cant create chances, they cant score goals. All they do is to pass backwards and sideways.

Our attackkers, especially when it is the trio of pepe, abuameayang and lacazette are so disorganized that you have to ask yourself if these guys did trained together.

If not for young saka and ESR we were already showing relegation form last season.

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Spy360:

1. Old at 32. A defender. Then Cheleini will be what? Bone skull?
2. Above average. Before nko.

Just to prove a point.

Just negodu

1.. Lol, juventus aren't called Old Ladies for nothing na.
If I call chiellini and thiago Silva old, I'm not wrong. I dunno why you see this as an issue to be honest

2... Yes, pique was slightly above average. Every barca fans knows that. No sentiments!!

Spy360:

As long as the TW is sti open, the order is immaterial. #fact

So far at the start of season we have all the players we want.

We will talk if he doesn't sign an AM after paying 50m for a defender.

Fair enough!!

Spy360:

When I said factored it is to say that signing a midfielder to strengthen your defense is similar to signing a defender. All na defense.

Alright, no problem.
Understood